SDGA Elections

[Wobbly Bob]

This year the SDGA is offering a mail-in ballot to those disc golfers that sign up for or renew their membership prior to Jan. 1, 2011.

Here are the election procedures for 2011.


2011 Election Procedure

There will be three positions up for election this year. The positions are the Treasurer, the Public Relations position and the Membership Whip. The election will take place at Stadium Pizza on Tuesday, January 18, 2011. The election meeting will start at 7:00 pm.

Individuals that have signed up or renewed their membership after December 31, 2010 will receive their ballot for the election at the election meeting on January 18, 2011.

Individuals that have signed up or renewed their membership prior to January 1, 2011 will receive their ballot in the mail. You will also receive two envelopes with your ballot for voting by mail if you choose to do so. One envelope will be blank on both sides; this is the envelope that you will seal your ballot in. The other envelope will be addressed to our Facilities Coordinator Jon Verbarg. Place the blank envelope with your ballot in it into the addressed envelope and seal it up. Be sure to sign and date the back of the addressed envelope. Your vote will not be counted if you have not signed the outer envelope. If you plan on attending the election you may bring your ballot and envelopes and vote at the meeting. You must still sign the back of the addressed envelope for your vote to be counted. Members that have received their ballots by mail will not be given another ballot at the election meeting for any reason.

If you wish to sign up for mail-in balloting please contact Kevin Sakus at (509) 216-4929 or Bob Perrewe at (509) 991-1807.



Early renewal ballots will be mailed out on Tuesday, January 4, 2011.
Mail in ballots must be post marked by Friday, January 14, 2011.
The mail in ballots will be kept separate from those ballots cast at the meeting.
In the case where three or more candidates are running and no one gets a simple majority, the two candidates with the most votes will have a run off. The write in votes will be counted and those present will re-ballot.
If there is a tie vote, the write in ballots will be counted and those present will re-ballot until someone receives a majority.
If a re-ballot is required the Presiding Officer shall cast his vote only after the results of the re-ballot are known and if he desires that his vote should affect the outcome.



I've attached the 2011 election procedure below for those that want to print a copy.

[Stimpi]

Great idea Bob, I wish I'd thought of it.
I think it's a fair way to give every club member a vote, whether they can make the election meeting or not.

[Wobbly Bob]

Remember Steve, mail in balloting is only for those that sign up or renew before the first of the year.

[Wobbly Bob]

This year the SDGA is offering a mail-in ballot to those disc golfers that sign up for or renew their membership prior to Jan. 1, 2011.

Here are the election procedures for 2011.


2011 Election Procedure

There will be three positions up for election this year. The positions are the Treasurer, the Public Relations position and the Membership Whip. The election will take place at Stadium Pizza on Tuesday, January 18, 2011. The election meeting will start at 7:00 pm.

Individuals that have signed up or renewed their membership after December 31, 2010 will receive their ballot for the election at the election meeting on January 18, 2011.

Individuals that have signed up or renewed their membership prior to January 1, 2011 will receive their ballot in the mail. You will also receive two envelopes with your ballot for voting by mail if you choose to do so. One envelope will be blank on both sides; this is the envelope that you will seal your ballot in. The other envelope will be addressed to our Facilities Coordinator Jon Verbarg. Place the blank envelope with your ballot in it into the addressed envelope and seal it up. Be sure to sign and date the back of the addressed envelope. Your vote will not be counted if you have not signed the outer envelope. If you plan on attending the election you may bring your ballot and envelopes and vote at the meeting. You must still sign the back of the addressed envelope for your vote to be counted. Members that have received their ballots by mail will not be given another ballot at the election meeting for any reason.

If you wish to sign up for mail-in balloting please contact Kevin Sakus at (509) 216-4929 or Bob Perrewe at (509) 991-1807.



Early renewal ballots will be mailed out on Tuesday, January 4, 2011.
Mail in ballots must be post marked by Friday, January 14, 2011.
The mail in ballots will be kept separate from those ballots cast at the meeting.
In the case where three or more candidates are running and no one gets a simple majority, the two candidates with the most votes will have a run off. The write in votes will be counted and those present will re-ballot.
If there is a tie vote, the write in ballots will be counted and those present will re-ballot until someone receives a majority.
If a re-ballot is required the Presiding Officer shall cast his vote only after the results of the re-ballot are known and if he desires that his vote should affect the outcome.



I've attached the 2011 election procedure below for those that want to print a copy.



Mail-in ballots will be mailed out on Tuesday, 01/04/11. If you mail in your ballot it must be postmarked no later than Friday, 01/14/11. If you decide to come to the election you will need to bring your mailed ballot with you.

[Yoduh]

What day is the election?

[tomw]

What day is the election?

"The election will take place at Stadium Pizza on Tuesday, January 18, 2011"

[Yoduh]

Thanks Tom! What time? I'm glad somebody does the PR job:biggrin2:

[Gordy #21004]

Election information is posted on this thread under post #1. The information is re-posted in post #4.

[coryreu]

Yep. Sure enough Gordy. Posts #1 and #4 plainly and thoroughly explain all election meeting info. Looks great Bob. Nice PR work. Good luck in the election.
I know I'll be there to cast my votes at Stadium Pizza. I'll be there on the 18th of Jan, 2011. And I'll be there at 7 PM.

[psychodwarf]

Thanks Tom! What time? I'm glad somebody does the PR job gee WHERE did you learn to read ??? oh thats right you forgot your mouth piece today...

[Parks]

So does anyone know what the date of the election is?

[psychodwarf]

so does anyone know what the date of the election is?1102,81,yraunaj.

[Yoduh]

I see it..:blush::biggrin2:
I mean, I was checking to see if you all are paying attention:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::wink2:
I think I'm gonna join Cory down there as well as all the other dedicated disc golfers that show up and VOTE!

[coryreu]

So does anyone know what the date of the election is?
I do

[psychodwarf]

TO PARKS : read post #12 thru 2 beer bottles and then i will tell you ..

[Parks]

I read it through 12 beer bottles and I still don't know what the date is. That should be six times as good as two, right?

[psychodwarf]

I read it through 12 beer bottles and I still don't know what the date is. That should be six times as good as two, right?

did you drink the beer THEN look ? if you did THAT is why you cant find it !:confused:

[Gordy #21004]

If elected Treasurer I will continue to do a good job keeping the Club monies secure and accounted for. This includes itemizing all funds (cash & checks) that come to the Club for deposit into our checking account. I will also make payments for all Club authorized expenditures (debits) and maintain a record of everything we have spent. I also believe it is the treasurer's responsibility to keep the Club informed of what monies it is owed (and by whom) and to keep the Club appraised of what it's outstanding liabilities are (and to whom). If elected I expect to be held to these standards and I now ask for your vote on Tuesday, January 18th. Thank you, Gordy #21004:chug:

[LJ Jubner]

Wish I could heave read this before I posted my vote

[jshrack]

Hey all,
I just hope everyone takes the time to make it to stadium pizza on Tuesday (Jan 18) to vote.
Sign-ups start at 6:15 be there on time!
I will bring a basket, maybe we can arrange some mini or putting fun?
Space is limited but bring a couple extra bucks just in case!

I hope you'll vote for me as your new PR.
When it comes down to it though, I don't care who you vote for as long as you show up.
See you all there!

-Justin Shrack

[Gordy #21004]

The membership Secretary, Kevin , will be 30 or 40 minutes early to the meeting on Tuesday to help get as many renewals as possible out of the way. Please beat the rush if you can by getting there early for renewal, then relax, get a pizza and a cold one. The meeting itself starts at 7:00 and if the river don't rise the election's officials will be able to get the elections started as soon as possible.....Get out the vote! Gordy #21004:cheers:

[Wobbly Bob]

If you want to vote in the 2011 SDGA Election you must be a current member of the SDGA. :dancing:

Kevin Sakus and I will be at Stadium Pizza on election eve to issue 2011 Membership Cards to those who want to vote in the 2011 Election. :cheers:

We will be available to sign you up :posting: for 2011 Membership from 6:15 pm until 7:30 pm.

[jshrack]

I would like to be the first to congratulate our 'new' board members!
I really appreciate all you guys working with me and guiding me through the process.
Here is to a FUN and productive year of disc golf!

[Yoduh]

Has anyone ever been to an election that has everyone vote and then has the candidates speak about what they are going to do? Does that make any sense? My favorite/least favorite moment of the evening was after I sat down from my speech the guy next to me leans over and says "I wish I would have heard you speak before I voted.. I would have voted for you". After the third election the SDGA has ran you'd think minor details like having the vote occur in chronological order need not be mentioned..:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:headbang:
Things pass with colors flying as usual..

[Stimpi]

I can't quite glean how the election played out, other than you're unhappy with it, Yoduh.
Can we have some concrete results?

[psychodwarf]

Has anyone ever been to an election that has everyone vote and then has the candidates speak about what they are going to do? Does that make any sense? My favorite/least favorite moment of the evening was after I sat down from my speech the guy next to me leans over and says "I wish I would have heard you speak before I voted.. I would have voted for you". After the third election the SDGA has ran you'd think minor details like having the vote occur in chronological order need not be mentioned..:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:headbang:
Things pass with colors flying as usual..

maybe you should talk to your friend JEFF CRUM .. he chaired the meeting .

[Wobbly Bob]

:yay:Last night we had 32 people sign up for membership. 18 people signed up for mail in voting for a record number of voters at any election. 50 members. :yay:

I bet Kevin Sakus signs up over 100 members this year.

Running unopposed, Kevin Sakus is our Membership Whip again. :trophy:

Bob Perrewe has retained the PR position. :seeya:

And Gordy Crafts is still our Treasurer. :cheers:

Thanks to all who helped get the voters to the election and thanks to those voters who took the time to show up and vote. :bowing:

The Tribe Has Spokane. :rockon:

[coryreu]

I can't quite glean how the election played out, other than you're unhappy with it, Yoduh.
Can we have some concrete results?

Gordy, Bob, and Kevin are the treasurer, pr officer, and membership whip.

congratulations fellas.

[coryreu]

I would like to be the first to congratulate our 'new' board members!
I really appreciate all you guys working with me and guiding me through the process.
Here is to a FUN and productive year of disc golf!

I'm glad that I was able to make it to the meeting last night. I was able to see in person how positive and an active SDGA member that Justin Shrack is.
I had read Jeff's 4th report before going to the meeting. And was aware of how frequently Justin's name was mentioned regarding club members who have done work at our courses. But his activity doesn't stop there. From working on grant proposals, improving the charter by committee, and showing a desire to take disc golf to a higher level in the community through our schools. Adding in during his moment of speech that he has confidence in the other club members running for their board positions.
Very classy.

[Yoduh]

I too have to say that I was very impressed by the way Justin presented himself to the Club. I am sure that if he would have done it before the election there would have been more votes for him as well. An interesting point is that him and I had exactly the same amount of votes meaning that everybody showed up knowing who they were going to vote for and did so which makes sense because they were giving know reason to vote someone else.
I talked to Jeff Crumb and he said that when he showed up people had already been giving there ballots and had turned them in. Bob had been handing out ballots and accepting them. Not going to blame Jeff. Not blaming Bob. It's just frustrating that something funny happened. People voted. Then they heard from there candidates.. Doesn't anyone think that's funny or odd or even strange? Or is it all my imagination?

[Yoduh]

The only other issue that I'm not 100% on is that I spoke with a couple golfers this morning and they told me that they never got an email announcing the election. I realized after hearing that, that I hadn't either.. Bob, did you send out emails announcing the election to the SDGA email list?

[coryreu]

I didn't catch the final count on the votes. What were they?

[Yoduh]

We were separated by 6 votes.. actually it could have only been 5 votes.

[Wobbly Bob]

Membership

Kevin Sakus - 46 out of 50

PR

Bob Perrewe - 33
Justin Shrack - 17

Treasurer

Gordy Crafts - 33
Jeremy Thornton - 17

These are the final counts!

[Wobbly Bob]

The only other issue that I'm not 100% on is that I spoke with a couple golfers this morning and they told me that they never got an email announcing the election. I realized after hearing that, that I hadn't either.. Bob, did you send out emails announcing the election to the SDGA email list?

Yes, I sent out 3 informational emails concerning the election using the club email tool. :posting:

I think it may not be functioning. Jeff called the webmaster to see if he could get it working prior to the election. :confused:

[Stimpi]

I too have to say that I was very impressed by the way Justin presented himself to the Club. I am sure that if he would have done it before the election there would have been more votes for him as well. An interesting point is that him and I had exactly the same amount of votes meaning that everybody showed up knowing who they were going to vote for and did so which makes sense because they were giving know reason to vote someone else.
I talked to Jeff Crumb and he said that when he showed up people had already been giving there ballots and had turned them in. Bob had been handing out ballots and accepting them. Not going to blame Jeff. Not blaming Bob. It's just frustrating that something funny happened. People voted. Then they heard from there candidates.. Doesn't anyone think that's funny or odd or even strange? Or is it all my imagination?

Jeremy,
An election is just that.
The campaigning starts when you are nominated. You don't start campaigning on election day.
You go out and vote. That's an election.
I've seen plenty of posts from you, mostly complaining about how things are run, but I can't remember any posts that lay out how you intended to correct these problems, if elected.

[Stimpi]

BTW, Congratulations to the re-elected board members. Apparently the bulk of the club seems to think you'll continue doing the quality jobs you've been doing for... uh... since we've had a club. Or in Bob and Kevin's case, since you've discovered the sport of disc golf and gotten involved with the club.

I'm not saying they are the only working assets in the club. I'd also like to acknowledge the positive efforts and results that Justin and Jeremy have contributed to the club and the courses.

On a wider note. Thanks to ALL you club members that have been working on the High Bridge and Downriver improvements, and the Peoples Park maintenance.

[Yoduh]

Membership

Kevin Sakus - 46 out of 50

PR

Bob Perrewe - 33
Justin Shrack - 17

Treasurer

Gordy Crafts - 33
Jeremy Thornton - 17

These are the final counts!

Last night Jeff announced the vote as 30 to 19.. The numbers must have been mixed up... I say 6 votes difference Because the vote was announced at 30-19. If 6 people changed their vote that would have given me the majority. One person said he would have changed his vote based on my speach.. I happened to sit down next to him. Just another learning experience. Not sure how we make mistakes we used to not make.

Bob. That is a great disappointment that our club email function has been broken for the last 2 months. Did you not have access to the list of club emails? If you did was there no there way to get an email out to our present and former club members so they could come out and have their voice heard? If you sent it 3 times it makes me think that you knew it wasn't working..:cop:

Stimpi. Every election we have had, the candidates have spoken before the vote, so very safe to assume that I would have a chance to get my point across. I choose not to give my points of view on this forum because I did not see the need to allow it to be picked apart by the negative nelly's on this site. I presumed that the general voting public could hear my ideas and make their own decision. Also I do not appreciate my ideas being taken and used against me or used as if they were their own. I have been burned quite a few times here so I choose to keep my cards close to me. If you were interested you could have called me or emailed me and I would have told you the direction I saw the club going. Which is what I did at the meeting, whereas Gordy gave a very accurate and descript analysis of what a treasurer does.

Cory, some how you think that because of the difference in the vote that things shouldn't be done properly. That's kind of like you wanting to hear from Jeff on the other thread when Gordy never once commented or denied anything that he said or did.

I'm out:bricks:

[Sky Pilot]

Dear Club Members,

I ask you, can a meeting even begin before the Chair is present? I would say that the passing out of Election ballots is an important matter before the Chair. I was told that people were going to use the pre-meeting time to renew their memberships and that the voting itself would begin at 7:30PM. I arrived at 6:20PM and ballots were already passed out. What could I do about that? Get the ballots back and cause a scene? No, it was too late for that.

I called Jon Verbarg at 4:08PM before the meeting and went over the Order of Business. I also called Tim Nevins at 4:12PM and went over it with him as well. Both agreed with my Order of Business. The sheet that I passed out, and what I told them both said that the speeches would occur before the voting. That was the only logical way to do it. The fact that this didn't occur is obvious. Did they agree at 4:00PM and disagree by their actions 6:00PM? I don't know. As Jeremy said, there is no point to having people speak about what they would do in office after everyone has voted. Do you think that's unfair?

Our voting process, due to this situation needs to be tightened up prior to any further elections. This should and will be addressed in the Charter amendment process - among other things of course.

Other than that, perhaps the incumbents would have won anyway. They seemed to have a better handle on the new early voting process.

Sky Pilot
SDGA President
:angel:

[Yoduh]

membership

kevin sakus - 46 out of 50

pr

bob perrewe - 33
justin shrack - 17

treasurer

gordy crafts - 33
jeremy thornton - 17

these are the final counts!

by the way bob i know for a fact that these aren't accurate! Better check your numbers again>>

[LJ Jubner]

Jezzus Christ is this election going to the Supreme Court????

Campaigns are what we base our Elections on.

Stimpi is right! Campaigns start as soon as the person excepts the nomination. It certainly took most nominees a long time between the time they were nominated and they time they actually excepted the nomination This forum is the perfect place to address mail in ballot holders like me.

Yoduh, Your statement about ..."not wanting your positions dissected here"... was asinine. As a voter I deserve to know in advance what your goals and dreams for the club are. After all were there not 18 mail in Ballots cast. Beforehand is much more important then having to live with the results for the length of that positions term.

IMNSHO Jeremy You should fire your campagin manager.

Jeff, Are you time challenged? It seems to me that your biggest complaints are about what happens before you arrive. Maybe you should arrive Earlier The main reason why most members attended this meeting was to vote, So it's only natural they want to get the actual ballot in their hands ASAP. As far as Bob goes he was performing the duties of the PR person until the position was actually filled.

Now comes the hard part

Each of the board members needs to do only the job they were elected to do. No more information from the steward when it's the PR job. This does not mean your oppinions and input are not important your just not the clubs mouth piece. Want to do a differnt job run for the right office.

Basically The only official info from the club should come from The PR position.

[Wobbly Bob]

Last night Jeff announced the vote as 30 to 19.. The numbers must have been mixed up... I say 6 votes difference Because the vote was announced at 30-19. If 6 people changed their vote that would have given me the majority. One person said he would have changed his vote based on my speach.. I happened to sit down next to him. Just another learning experience. Not sure how we make mistakes we used to not make.

Bob. That is a great disappointment that our club email function has been broken for the last 2 months. Did you not have access to the list of club emails? If you did was there no there way to get an email out to our present and former club members so they could come out and have their voice heard? If you sent it 3 times it makes me think that you knew it wasn't working..:cop:

Stimpi. Every election we have had, the candidates have spoken before the vote, so very safe to assume that I would have a chance to get my point across. I choose not to give my points of view on this forum because I did not see the need to allow it to be picked apart by the negative nelly's on this site. I presumed that the general voting public could hear my ideas and make their own decision. Also I do not appreciate my ideas being taken and used against me or used as if they were their own. I have been burned quite a few times here so I choose to keep my cards close to me. If you were interested you could have called me or emailed me and I would have told you the direction I saw the club going. Which is what I did at the meeting, whereas Gordy gave a very accurate and descript analysis of what a treasurer does.

Cory, some how you think that because of the difference in the vote that things shouldn't be done properly. That's kind of like you wanting to hear from Jeff on the other thread when Gordy never once commented or denied anything that he said or did.

I'm out:bricks:


Dear Jeremy, please forgive me for the misinformation. I stand corrected concerning the count.

[Wobbly Bob]

Hey Disc Golfers, the elections are finally over. Win or lose it's time to go forward in 2011.

Yes, the Charter needs to specifically address elections in the future. I am on the Charter Review Committee and know that elections and many other parts of our Charter need to be revised. That is one of the first things we are going to work on before the weather gets nice.

It's time for the disc golf community in Spokane to come together and start working as the team that we all know we can be. In our membership base we have people with skills in all of the areas that we need skills. We are also fortunate in that we have people that generate funds for our club in many different ways.

Let's make 2011 the best year the SDGA has ever had.

[Parks]

Stimpi is right that its important to get your goals and plans out ahead of time, and Yoduh is also right that you need to speak before ballots are collected.

[coryreu]

[QUOTE=Yoduh;87617]
Cory, some how you think that because of the difference in the vote that things shouldn't be done properly.


I didn't know what the vote counts were so I asked.
No more. No less.
Nowhere in my post did I speak of the meeting and/or if it was done properly.
You made an irrational assumption that you know what I think. Please don't do that.

[jshrack]

We have a charter review coming up, voice these qualms to the charter commitee!
Get some results!

[coryreu]

We have a charter review coming up, voice these qualms to the charter commitee!
Get some results!
What kind of results can I expect if I have a qualm with someone doing my thinking for me?

[jshrack]

What kind of results can I expect if I have a qualm with someone doing my thinking for me?

You and your Rhetoric! :waaah:

Anyway, this is a wonderful opportunity to voice your concerns in a constructive way...
I have a feeling those who chose to comment will be considered.

[Disc Golf Diva]

What kind of results can I expect if I have a qualm with someone doing my thinking for me?

Everyone knows the negative nellie on this forum is Jeremy Thornton. I know it is frustrating but maybe you should just consider the source and disregard Yo Duhs remarks. All can see its just sour grapes. The candidates forum was Dec 14, and it was on this forum which we all know that Jeremy follows. He choose to accept his nomination at the last minute on Dec 31. The opportunity to speak his mind was there, he used this manipulation so he would have something to carp about if he didn't get his way.

[coryreu]

You and your Rhetoric! :waaah:

Anyway, this is a wonderful opportunity to voice your concerns in a constructive way...
I have a feeling those who chose to comment will be considered.

Both are results that I already possess. No second parties desired to think for me or for my rhetoric. :nahnah:

[Parks]

Everyone knows the negative nellie on this forum is Jeremy Thornton.

Actually, all I see is petty bullshit coming from all directions.

No one wants to actually discuss anything, they all just want to draw a line in the sand and bicker.

Pinning it on any one person is pretty unreasonable.

[Disc Golf Diva]

If you look back on this thread One person has nothing good to say. Most is positive as it should be to start this new year. You are in a position to lead the club in the right direction. Keep up the good work and with all working to improve disc golf there will be a successful club.

[Gordy #21004]

Dear Club Members,

" I arrived at 6:20PM and ballots were already passed out. What could I do about that? Get the ballots back and cause a scene? No, it was too late . "


Sky Pilot
SDGA President

How about " 'Ladies and gentleman, Welcome. May I have your attention for a moment please. I see that a number of the ballots have already been passed out. I'd like to let you know that when the meeting convenes we will ask the candidates to speak briefly on their own behalf. If you do not already know who you want to vote for you may want to wait until after the candidates have spoken before you do. Thank You and please enjoy this evening we have together." ????????

[prospect]

Dear Club Members,

" I arrived at 6:20PM and ballots were already passed out. What could I do about that? Get the ballots back and cause a scene? No, it was too late . "


Sky Pilot
SDGA President

How about " 'Ladies and gentleman, Welcome. May I have your attention for a moment please. I see that a number of the ballots have already been passed out. I'd like to let you know that when the meeting convenes we will ask the candidates to speak briefly on their own behalf. If you do not already know who you want to vote for you may want to wait until after the candidates have spoken before you do. Thank You and please enjoy this evening we have together." ????????

That sounds like something any of the Board Members could have done...

[psychodwarf]

jezzus christ is this election going to the supreme court????

Campaigns are what we base our elections on.

Stimpi is right! Campaigns start as soon as the person excepts the nomination. It certainly took most nominees a long time between the time they were nominated and they time they actually excepted the nomination this forum is the perfect place to address mail in ballot holders like me.

Yoduh, your statement about ..."not wanting your positions dissected here"... Was asinine. As a voter i deserve to know in advance what your goals and dreams for the club are. After all were there not 18 mail in ballots cast. Beforehand is much more important then having to live with the results for the length of that positions term.



Jeff, are you time challenged? It seems to me that your biggest complaints are about what happens before you arrive. Maybe you should arrive earlier the main reason why most members attended this meeting was to vote, so it's only natural they want to get the actual ballot in their hands asap. As far as bob goes he was performing the duties of the pr person until the position was actually filled.

Now comes the hard part

each of the board members needs to do only the job they were elected to do. No more information from the steward when it's the pr job. This does not mean your oppinions and input are not important your just not the clubs mouth piece. Want to do a differnt job run for the right office.

Basically the only official info from the club should come from the pr position.

as a current club MEMBER i second this idea !!!!

[psychodwarf]

. Keep up the good work and with all working to improve disc golf there will be a successful club.






AND I SECOND THIS ALSO! VERY VERY GOOD IDEA.




now lets get ready to play some discgolf :yay::yay::yay::yay::yay:

[Yoduh]

Cory. I apologize if I was a lil touchy. Sorta hot about the wheel that just seems to be reinvented every time I turn around.
Bob, Thank you for your apology.
Gordy, Jeff Told me that he talked to Jon or Bob, at 4:00 and they had discussed the proper way to handle the election. That ballots were to be passed out after the candidates spoke (which I would have never even thought to mention because it seems OVERTLY OBVIOUS.) Somehow they didn't follow what was talked about.
Disc golf Diva. You hide behind your name page name. I have never read a single positive comment by you. Again I ask you to reveal yourself. Everybody else knows everybody else on this page. You hide like chicken, yet speak like a lion.
Jub.... HA!
Psycho, great screen name buddy.

[Yoduh]

There are only 10 or so voters who read this forum. Of those 10, 7 of them already have their minds made up. Only 1 of those voters came to the meeting that was undecided and the other 2 mailed in their vote. So I lose 2 votes by not giving out my position or my ideas. Jub don't pretend for 1 minute you were undecided. You decided who you were gonna vote for before there was an election. Gordy and you are buddys and that's it. What was Gordy's positition in a small nutshell? I'm going to keep being the treasurer as I have been. It's not like balancing a check book and keeping track of who you owe money to and who owes you money is that hard to do. He has performed his treasure job adequately. I have heard people from all over the course say that Gordy has been sucking money out of the club and been screwing golfers. As much as Gordy and I don't get along I've always stuck up for his accounting abilities. I have met every complaint that wasn't valid with facts and I've hear a ton of crazy theories.. anyway off track. If you were at the meeting and you heard my ideas and speech and wanted to change your vote, I feel ya. It is what it is. As Bob said its time to get everyone on the same track.

[Yoduh]

The last thing I want to say has anyone ever voted and then watched the presidential debates?

[coryreu]

Cory. I apologize if I was a lil touchy. Sorta hot about the wheel that just seems to be reinvented every time I turn around.
Bob, Thank you for your apology.
Gordy, Jeff Told me that he talked to Jon or Bob, at 4:00 and they had discussed the proper way to handle the election. That ballots were to be passed out after the candidates spoke (which I would have never even thought to mention because it seems OVERTLY OBVIOUS.) Somehow they didn't follow what was talked about.
Disc golf Diva. You hide behind your name page name. I have never read a single positive comment by you. Again I ask you to reveal yourself. Everybody else knows everybody else on this page. You hide like chicken, yet speak like a lion.
Jub.... HA!
Psycho, great screen name buddy.
I understand your concerns. And accept your apology. Ty.

[jshrack]

Jeremy, we were given an opportunity to do so.
Bob, Gordy, and I gave speeches in December, same day I accepted my nomination.
You and Kevin were not present at this meeting.
It was not a well attended event, sadly not everyone watches the debates.

[Disc Golf Diva]

Jeremy, we were given an opportunity to do so.
Bob, Gordy, and I gave speeches in December, same day I accepted my nomination.
You and Kevin were not present at this meeting.
It was not a well attended event, sadly not everyone watches the debates.

Justin it is very obvious that your intentions with the club are to further the sport and not put your ego above your objective. I give you kudos and know that SGDA can expect great things will come from your diligence. Thank you....

[Yoduh]

Jeremy, we were given an opportunity to do so.
Bob, Gordy, and I gave speeches in December, same day I accepted my nomination.
You and Kevin were not present at this meeting.
It was not a well attended event, sadly not everyone watches the debates.

I had to work, furthermore what is the point of showing up to a "debate that there is nobody there to listen? That is a great way to make sure that voters decide who they want based on who's most popular not who has the best ideas and motivation to help lead the club. Who realizes that there aren't any emails going out to club members, and tells there friends, and their disc golfing friends, but doesn't let anyone else know? Even more importantly, A debate is held before all nominations can be accepted?? I accepted my nomination after the date of the "debate" Sp I don't get to speak???? This explanation holds no water. I appreciate your efforts to smooth it over and to show that the SDGA covered its bases, but it's not possible, because it didn't happen. I wrote on Facebook that we had an election where everybody voted, and after we all gave speeches. I had 60+ replies from golfers from all over the country and not one of them could even understand how it was possible, NOBODY HAD EVER EVEN HEARD OF IT! Golly gee, did we forget to have the speeches until after they voted.. better put it in the CHARTER!!

I ask a lot of good questions and nobody seems able or willing to answer them. The overall tone so far indicates defensiveness and skirting the issue. If you'd like to tell yourself it's my fault you are free to do so. If you'd like to tell your friends that I'm not stopping you. You cannot convince me otherwise on this forum nor in person. It's too obvious. ("I guess it needs to be in the charter" What a joke!) This new tactic is really primitive, I guess it needs to be in the charter.. How bout the next time you pull a scam and try saying it needs to be in the charter you need to be excused from the club?
The problem with adding this crap to the charter is that it's such a cock-eyed thing to pull in the first place, everybody would know full and well you did it on purpose if you tried it again.
It doesn't seem that there will be an adequate revision here so I guess it might as well be dropped.. Time for the powers that be to back on track, to move in the right direction, to pull from the vast number of club members that they haven't burned.. Good thing this sport is growing eh guys?

[Parks]

How bout the next time you pull a scam and try saying it needs to be in the charter you need to be excused from the club?

That's a pretty good point, but I think it would need to be in the charter to hold any water.

[Yoduh]

Justin it is very obvious that your intentions with the club are to further the sport and not put your ego above your objective. I give you kudos and know that SGDA can expect great things will come from your diligence. Thank you....

I agree with the Diva here. You have a lot of energy, and you certainly put in effort, that is commendable. Thanks.

[psychodwarf]

It doesn't seem that there will be an adequate revision here so I guess it might as well be dropped.. Time for the powers that be to back on track, to move in the right direction, to pull from the vast number of club members that they haven't burned.. Good thing this sport is growing eh guys?

yoduh.
i do agree AND disagree with some AND alot of what you have said in the past posts . but heres an idea : if talking and yelling doesnt help then MAYBE it might be more helpful to you if you started you own club (NOT THAT I AM TELLING YOU TO GO OR ASKING OR WANTING TO) but if you and others (as you say) are so unhappy with the way the club is running AND who is running it then this would seem to be the most simplest way to handle the problem(other then changing the whole club around which we are doing anyways) and no you dont have to do it you can do what you want. as for me I AM going to do the VERY BEST i can do to improve the way the club and the golf courses and yes no matter what you or anyone else`s says DISCGOLF IS STRONG AND GROWING in spokane ..(b.t.w. yoduh i am working on signing up a real estate COMPANY as club members they say they have 200+ employees i am trying for half !) now can we PLEASE AND I DO MEAN PLEASE get on with a fresh new year for discgolf and QUIT rehashing and whinning and bi#$%ing about things that have HAPPENED in the past.(yes kevin i did put my ppl skils hat on when i sat down and typed all this up!!!)

[special K]

yoduh.
i do agree AND disagree with some AND alot of what you have said in the past posts . but heres an idea : if talking and yelling doesnt help then MAYBE it might be more helpful to you if you started you own club (NOT THAT I AM TELLING YOU TO GO OR ASKING OR WANTING TO) but if you and others (as you say) are so unhappy with the way the club is running AND who is running it then this would seem to be the most simplest way to handle the problem(other then changing the whole club around which we are doing anyways) and no you dont have to do it you can do what you want. as for me I AM going to do the VERY BEST i can do to improve the way the club and the golf courses and yes no matter what you or anyone else`s says DISCGOLF IS STRONG AND GROWING in spokane ..(b.t.w. yoduh i am working on signing up a real estate COMPANY as club members they say they have 200+ employees i am trying for half !) now can we PLEASE AND I DO MEAN PLEASE get on with a fresh new year for discgolf and QUIT rehashing and whinning and bi#$%ing about things that have HAPPENED in the past.(yes kevin i did put my ppl skils hat on when i sat down and typed all this up!!!)

it good to see your working on your people skills :slapface::slapface:

[LJ Jubner]

Jeremy Go ahead and post your presentation. It would be interesting to know what you see/hope is the future of the SDGA.

Side note Treasurer is not the most glamorous of board positions far from it. Depending on what/if Jeremy posts he may have been better served running for a different position.

Again the hardest thing any board member needs to cope with is only doing the job they were elected too.

[psychodwarf]

it good to see your working on your people skills :slapface::slapface:

uh thanks. i guess

[jshrack]

Jeremy, the majority of your speech was about our club becoming a non-profit.
How do you plan on this vision when we can't agree on anything?
Downriver layout? replacing a board member? running of an election?
Hell, we can't agree on a quantitative distance measurement!
Do you really expect this group to be a functioning non-profit?

In the last 3 months, you have been to one meeting and complained about at least three.
Get involved, do the leg work yourself, and see the results.
I know you can do this and the club will be a better place for it.
Sadly, I don't think you aret gonna be satisfied with the club unless you work to be part of the change.

[Yoduh]

Jeremy, the majority of your speech was about our club becoming a non-profit.
How do you plan on this vision when we can't agree on anything?
Downriver layout? replacing a board member? running of an election?
Hell, we can't agree on a quantitative distance measurement!
Do you really expect this group to be a functioning non-profit?

In the last 3 months, you have been to one meeting and complained about at least three.
Get involved, do the leg work yourself, and see the results.
I know you can do this and the club will be a better place for it.
Sadly, I don't think you aret gonna be satisfied with the club unless you work to be part of the change.

I think if we would have spoken before the vote we would have had a completely different vote. So just because this disfunctional board can't get anything done, how do you predict what our dynamic would the same, with a completely different board? I have only been to 1 meeting because in the winter I don't have Tuesdays free but I've got about 10 years in this club, and trust me I fully understand the blocking forces in the club. I've done alot of leg work and it usually nets nothing. You will learn more as you've been around. I do not plan on investing any more energy into this club. Not for a couple years.
I will be focusing on the Valley and on the Idaho state park system. Have a couple other courses that may surface soon here in Washington.

[jshrack]

It is a moot point man. The vote is over. The process happened.
Our club obviously needs a change and the charter review can resolve many of your issues.
Complaining about the past will only net us naysayers and critics.

Get involved and show the difference rather than preaching it.
Get involved in the actions and make the change you keep talking about.
Get involved, otherwise you are leaving us when we could use you most.

[Yoduh]

It is a moot point man. The vote is over. The process happened.
Our club obviously needs a change and the charter review can resolve many of your issues.
Complaining about the past will only net us naysayers and critics.

Get involved and show the difference rather than preaching it.
Get involved in the actions and make the change you keep talking about.
Get involved, otherwise you are leaving us when we could use you most.

I have always been involved, just not on the surface.. I will keep helping to grow the sport. I don't need to be in the SDGA to do that. You carry the torch. I wish you and the organization many disc golf victories.

[Parks]

So just because this disfunctional board can't get anything done, how do you predict what our dynamic would the same, with a completely different board?

While the board is certainly dysfunctional and I doubt any board member would disagree, I disagree that we can't get anything done.

There have been a lot of positive changes in the last year to Downriver, Highbridge, and the fledgling People's Park. The funny thing is, however, that most of those positive changes have been spearheaded by the guy that everyone on this board loves to hate, Jeff Crum. And then the rest of the board (excepting me, probably) have done a great job on following up on Jeff's ideas and getting stuff implemented on the courses via work parties and elbow grease.

We are stagnant at People's Park and Camp Sekani right now due to bureaucratic BS, but our other two courses are flourishing.

[Yoduh]

The only reason I said that is that I was quoting shrack. The summer work was non-existent but as elections grew near and the golf season started to wrap up there was a flurry of things that got done.
Jeff is the reason that the SDGA may get Sakani and People's. He is also responsible for following through on my request to ask the city if we could put sponsors on the tee sign's. He also got the art work for the professional tee sign's donated. He has done alot for the club and it seems like alot to piss off the board. Maybe they don't like being shown up (Not like it matters). I just want to see stuff get done.
As far as my speech goes I was interested in gaining 401c3 non profit status and figuring out ways to generate money to build our courses from other sources than golfers. 401c3 and this work hand in hand. I also have ALL of the paperwork already filled out for 501c3 status. It is done correctly because I got it from a club that got approved. I have the lawyer and tax accountant's willing to donate their time for the club. There was something else too but I cannot remember, don't matter anyway.

[LJ Jubner]

The only reason I said that is that I was quoting shrack. The summer work was non-existent but as elections grew near and the golf season started to wrap up there was a flurry of things that got done.
.

Of which you are the prime example
Warm = Play,
cold= flurry to get things done

The only reason I said that is that I was quoting shrack. The summer work was non-existent but as elections grew near and the golf season started to wrap up there was a flurry of things that got done.
Jeff is the reason that the SDGA may get Sakani and People's.

Actually Stimpi was first approached back in 2004 about Sakani.

As far as my speech goes I was interested in gaining 401c3 non profit status and figuring out ways to generate money to build our courses from other sources than golfers. 401c3 and this work hand in hand. I also have ALL of the paperwork already filled out for 501c3 status. It is done correctly because I got it from a club that got approved. I have the lawyer and tax accountant's willing to donate their time for the club. There was something else too but I cannot remember, don't matter anyway.


Yoduh, It seems you have everything you need to start your own club. If you count the brand 6 new members you brought to the last meeting and the 13 others who voted for you your well on your way.

Go on! You know you want to rub the clubs nose in it what better way then to strike out on your own you and the rest of the Donner party or Adolphus Greeley Expedition