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Sky Pilot
November 20th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Jeff Crum – President of the Spokane Disc Golf Association (SDGA)
Report and minutes on preceding communications and interactions with Board members at Stadium Pizza
November 2nd 2010 – 6:30PM – 7:10PM

Note: This report is in no way intended to disparage the fine work of late by many industrious club members to improve our courses. Nor is it intended to invalidate the work that Jon Verbarg has labored to complete in the last few weeks. I site in particular the nice retaining wall/bench at hole at 18! In addition, great benches were installed at holes 16, and 12, at High Bridge. Good job! I also appreciate the work done at Downriver to create new holes at 3, 15, 14 & 2. I’m sure I’ve missed many things. Well done to the crews that participated! :yay:

However, it would be irresponsible of me to merely point out the positive and ignore any difficult areas that need attention. So, with that in mind, and with careful consideration I need to address some important issues.

In Review:

In the SDGA Charter the President’s role is described as follows:
The chief officer and senior advisor, coordinating the efforts of the Board.

The Treasurer’s role is described as follows:
Maintain the SDGA bank account and assure the security of club funds. Collect SDGA revenues and make payments for club expenditures. Keep accurate records and report to membership at large at open meetings.

The other four Board positions have to do with records, communications, membership and maintenance.

These roles are clear and distinct along with other guidelines set forth in the Charter so that we can function in an efficient manner.

The following in part is a record of what happened at Stadium Pizza on Tuesday November 2nd from 6:30PM to 7:10Pm. This will serve as the minutes of the meeting since the whole Board wasn’t present. This document also includes some things that led up to that meeting and a commentary on the whole situation.
What I have written here will show that there was improper authority, disrespect, and inadequate communication on the part of some SDGA Board members.


Gordy Crafts e-mail to Jeff Crum 10-27-2010

Bob and Kevin have asked me if there's a chance the Board can meet this Fri. @ 3: 00PM at Benedittos at 15th and Monroe on the South hill just up from Rosaur's. I told them I would meet them there and would also contact the rest of you to let you know. It’s about preparing for the upcoming meeting and addressing Board issues. As Treasurer I would like to finish up collecting weeklies' $ from Lyle and touch base with him about handing off the weeklies to Tony C. Bob has some SDGA disc sales from City Cup to turn in and I need to follow up with Jeff on the $500 the Club gave him as a pre-payment for the grant that built the new kiosk signs. We need to know how were supposed to get our money back. This process may have a bearing on the future grants now under discussion. Also we need to take some action on the Fac. Coor. vacancy. Can one of you please forward this to Eric? I hope you can all make it but if you can't please answer the questions you can or submit suggestions that will help us manage large meetings.

Thanks, Gordy.

Gordy also wrote this on 10-27-2010 on the North West Disc Golf Forum

Calling all Board members. We are trying to meet on Friday afternoon at three pm to discuss the agenda for the upcoming meeting. We want to come to grips with how to better manage large meetings so that all our time is better spent. One method we used in the past was to have the Board members take turns chairing the meetings. The problem is that some Board members' responsibilities at the meetings don't allow them the luxury of also chairing the meetings. That raises the possibility of pre-identifying a volunteer to manage an upcoming meeting. With that in mind if there is anyone interested in that role please come to this meeting. Please bring your ' Robert's Rules of Order!' Also the position of the Fac. Coor. needs to be discussed. There is a lot of new work going on these days and a regular 'can-do-hands-on' type who plays well with others would be worth a closer look. We have some good helpers who deserve a regular go-to guy or gal who is also capable of working within the Board. Any suggestions? The Fri. meeting is at Benidittos Pizza at the corner of 15th and Monroe just uphill from Rousaurs.

Question:
1. Does these communications sound like the Treasurer is speaking or the President?
2. Considering the role descriptions above, would you consider the topics addressed to be under the jurisdiction of the Treasurer?

On 10-28-2010 your President sent an e-mail to your Treasurer Gordy Crafts which opened with the following paragraph.

Dear Gordy,

I ask you, why don’t we just meet one hour prior to the club meeting at Stadium? This is what we’ve often done in the past? Our board can get business done with the finances if people come prepared to do so.

Gordy didn’t respond to this e-mail.

I subsequently heard that he and Bob and Kevin and some others met at a café, through a post that Gordy submitted to the North West Disc Golf Forum.
As I told Gordy, meeting one hour earlier at Stadium for a Board meeting has been our custom in the past. I saw no reason for a separate location. In fact, I looked several times online and there was never a reply to my request. Some Board members (hoping for a Quorum) did meet at a cafe last Friday October 29th. I know that they were hoping for a Quorum due to Gordy’s Forum post invitation which began, “Calling all Board members…”


What happened Tuesday November 2nd 6:30PM – at Stadium Pizza?

I started to write this down the next day. This is the best of my recollection. Quotes here are used only to indicate who is speaking.

Your President arrived 1/2 hour early to the scheduled SDGA meeting on Tuesday to be able to eat some Pizza and maybe drink a glass of beer. When I entered the room I walked up to the counter to order and looked around. The only club members in the room at that time were the Treasurer, Public Relations and Membership Whip officers of the SDAG Board. They appeared to be in an intense discussion. I got a drink and walked over to their table. Your Treasurer said to me, "Mr. President, we've saved a seat for you!" I sat down and the he says, "You sent an e-mail saying that you wanted to have a Board meeting one hour prior to the club meeting and we’ve been here for that meeting. Surprised, I said, "You never replied to me to say that you wanted to meet, and you guys met last Friday. Your Treasurer, Gordy Crafts says, "Well, this is a Board meeting." I said, "No, it's not!" The Treasurer replies by saying, "I move that this is a Board meeting. Do I hear a second?" One of the other guy's says, "I second." Then The Gordy says, “All in favor raise your hands.” Then Gordy, Bob and Kevin all raise their hands as they stare at me. I don’t raise mine. Then Gordy announces, "This is now a Board meeting!" I was getting pretty mad at this point and said, "You are out of order! This whole thing is out of order!" The Treasurer, now staring into my eyes, spits out the following abusive threat, "If you say that one more f**king time I'll..."
I immediately replied to him, "You’re a bully! And you’re threatening me, and verbally abusing me, and I’ll say it as much as I need to! At that point I distinctly noticed that Kevin laughed. I turned my head toward him and said to Gordy, “You’re verbally abusing me! If you said that to your wife or your wife said that to you it would be abuse!” I will say it again, you are out of order!" Then I stood up and said, “I don’t have to take this!” I’m leaving! Then Bob says, “Well then you’ll be leaving a meeting, his tone implying that this would be a bad thing to do, possibly having some kind of negative ramifications. This too was a threat. I know at this point that I’ve been ambushed. Though I was very hurt and angry, I sat back down. Then the Treasurer says…
“I'm sorry I used that word...will you forgive me?” I said yes, and the tension kind of goes down a notch. Then I also apologized for interrupting Bob during the fray – hoping that we could come to some reasonable conclusion. At this point my heart is beating out of my chest, but I had no idea what was coming up next.
Then your Treasurer moves on with his agenda. He says, "We need to vacate the Facilities Coordinators Board position." I reply that I know that and that I've prepared something to share at the 7PM meeting. Still shaken, I nervously, pull out my sheet of paper and hand them each a copy.

The following is the prepared document concerning the F.C. position that I handed to each of them which they briefly looked over and quickly dismissed.

Facilities Coordinator:

Appointment of a Facilities Coordinator
The member who is the Facilities Coordinator has not been active or present for several meetings without offering an excuse. In addition, the Chair has asked this Office holder prior to the last Club meeting if he wished to continue in his position and there has since been no response. Do to these concerns and the fact that his duties are currently being done by others, I move that this position be vacated by majority vote of the club present and that nominations for the position are taken during the month of November. I also request that the Board meet here one hour prior to the next club meeting in executive session and appoint one of the nominees by majority vote of the Board members, in accordance with the procedure that is set forth in the Charter.

Concerning the duties of the Facilities Coordinator
I further propose that we form a committee for the purpose of identifying potential sites for alternate pins at our courses, and to also identify erosion problems and safety issues on our courses. Since the job of Facilities Coordinator involves these duties and is a working job, I would like to see someone who is or has been or willing to work, obtain the position. I will personally give greater weight to someone that is active. This would also weed out the people who don’t actually have time or the will to work on our courses.
End of my document.

I told this trio that we need to inform the whole club that this position is being vacated so that they might have a chance to apply or show interest in it." The Treasurer says, “I move that we vacate Eric Brown’s position as the Facilities Coordinator, all in favor?" They all raise their hands again and look at me expectantly. At this point I raised my hand and voted for this, because it was something that was long overdue – not knowing what they had up their sleeve next. Then Gordy says, something like, we need to hear from the candidates for this position. I am completely baffled when at that point Jon Verbarg and Tony Costanzo show up from behind me (I didn't even know they were there) and Tony starts to talk about what he would do if he had the position. It was as if nothing had just happened. It was staged like a play. When Tony’s finished, Jon Verbarg proposes what he would do should he get the position. Then the Treasurer says, "All in favor of Tony becoming the Facilities Coordinator say raise your hands." No one raises their hand. Then he says, "All in favor of Jon becoming the Facilities Coordinator?" All three of them raise their hands. I didn’t raise my hand. Then Gordy says we'd like to introduce our new Facilities Coordinator, and they have a little moment to congratulate themselves and Jon.

On 10-27-2010 - less than a week before this bogus Board meeting, Gordy said in a North West Disc Golf Forum post, “…Bring your Roberts Rules of Order…”

We’ll here’s what some of the people from the Roberts Rules of Order Discussion Forum had to say when I shared my account of Tuesday night with them.

Kim Goldsworthy – Member - Roberts Rules of Order – Discussion Forum
“No.
You cannot willy-nilly turn cocktail parties, BBQs, weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs, tailgate parties, etc., into a properly called meeting of the organization BY MAKING A MOTION SO.
It doesn't work that way.
All business transacted will be null and void.”

Josh Martin – Roberts Rules of Order – Discussion Forum
A rule requiring proper notice for a special meeting is clearly a rule which protects absentees, as people need to know about the meeting in order to show up.

Nancy N. – Member – Roberts Rules of Order – Discussion Forum
On top of everything else, the treasurer should not have been conducting the meeting!

If there was a legitimate meeting at Stadium Pizza that evening it began when the Chair said, "I call this meeting to order" which I did at about 7:10pm.

Therefore all business transacted at this improperly called meeting is null and void.

What occurred that evening violates not only the right of the President to sit down and have some damn Pizza prior to a scheduled meeting but it also violates the rights of the other Board Members (referred to as the Absentees) to actually know that a Board meeting is happening!


Important:

On November 9th I asked Lyle Parks if he was specifically invited to a Board meeting at 6:00PM at Stadium on November 2nd 2010.

Lyle’s response on 11-10 was "I don't remember a specific invite over the phone or message board, and can't find one in my e-mail.”

I e-mailed Eric Brown on November 11, 2010. Here’s that letter.

Eric,

Did anyone contact you by phone, e-mail, text or otherwise to inform you that there was
going to be a Board meeting at Stadium Pizza on November 2nd at 6:00PM?

It's important that I know. It may be that what was decided at that meeting violated the
rights of those who were not invited. (the Absentees)

Please let me know.

Eric Brown responded in an e-mail on November 14th 2010

“I don't recall a message or anything saying when and where?”

I’ve already established that I wasn’t coming to Stadium for a Board meeting, I was there (As is my usual custom) early for the scheduled meeting to prepare and possibly eat some pizza.

So, if even one Board member isn’t informed about a meeting, let alone another who verbally objects to participating in a meeting, (Your President), then nothing official has taken place.

So, I know that the Board can just turn around and appoint Jon Verbarg to be the Facilities Coordinator – When they have a quorum, but at this point Eric Brown is still in that position. Don’t you think that someone should actually talk to him prior to shutting him out?
My point isn’t that this or that ‘can’t be done, it’s that some things should NOT be done.

Personally I think an apology to the Board and Club is in order from anybody that participated in this irregular and unofficial ‘Board’ meeting. I apologize to the whole Club and Board for NOT leaving the meeting when I stood up and intended to do so. I’m angry at myself for allowing myself to be intimidated and cowed into staying and putting up with this crap. I’ll get over it and I’ve already forgiven all involved (repeatedly). Yet, though I’ve forgiven, this was done in public, at a Pizza parlor, not one-on-one in private, and after much prayer and consideration, the club needs to know what went on – hence this report.

At this time I’m introducing a Charter amendment (See end of this post) in response to these circumstances. It deserves your careful consideration.

I will take my place as President at the December 14th meeting. I’m anxious to hear what the candidates say about these and other topics at that time.

I also know that there is a meeting at the Season Ticket this Sunday at 5:30PM. Should I not make this meeting I appoint Lyle Parks as chair in my place. In case I’m not there, I'm sending him the same type of Order of Business that worked so well at our last official meeting.

It has been advertised that this meeting is being called for the purpose of approving Election Materials. It’s probably about more than that, but at least that’s what’s been posted on the forum. We’re probably going to get Election Materials anyway so (should I be absent) there needs to be a vote for these materials, you can count my vote to be the same way that Lyle votes on this matter.

As for the elections, I’m hoping that every club member will carefully weigh these matters and consider what would happen should the same crew be reelected for another two years. Keep in mind that last January at the voting meeting Gordy publicly announced that the only thing the Board did in 2009 was “put garbage cans at downriver.” Would the incumbents want 2011 to be any different?

As far as I’m concerned the meeting this Sunday is just another ‘open’ meeting. It is my hope that any concerned members will attend.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey J. Crum
President – SDGA 11-20-2010
[See proposed Charter amendment below]

Due in part to the events of November 2nd 2010, and for the general good of the Board and the club, I propose the following amendment to the SDGA Charter.

Proposed SDGA Charter Amendment
The SDGA Charter reads “These bylaws may be changed or amended by a vote of current* members at an open meeting.
Two-thirds of the vote will be considered the majority.

Membership section – Page 1 – paragraph 2


Responsibilities of Membership:
• Maintain active club status and dues.
• Support the Club, its sponsors, and its members.
• Assist with course maintenance and clean-up.
• Give assistance to new players and visitors.
• Abide the PDGA rules of courtesy, integrity, and responsibility.

• Suspension of Membership:
Any member may be suspended by a 2/3 vote of those present at a *Board/Club meeting for any of the following infractions:
• Repeated unsportsmanlike conduct, such as cursing, throwing objects in anger (other
than discs), excessive displays of anger, overt rudeness, threats or willful physical harm to anyone present.
• Willful destruction or harming of park property, plant life, or wildlife.
• Cheating: A willful attempt to circumvent the rules.

The suspension shall continue until the next scheduled Board/Club meeting. At that time the suspended member may address the Club. A 2/3 quorum of the Board must be present at the meeting and a positive simple majority vote of the membership present will be required for reinstatement. During a suspension, the suspended party loses all Club privileges and voting rights. There will be No reimbursement of Club Dues. A suspended member that is denied reinstatement may reapply after 3 months but is subject to the same voting approval requirement at that time.

* A Board/Club meeting is defined as any official scheduled meeting which has a quorum of Board Officers present.[/SIZE]

Submitted by Club President – Jeff Crum (Sky Pilot) :angel:
Date – November 21st 2010
Note: The above text was adapted from the Charter of the Golden Triangle Disc Golf Club of Southeast Texas.

Yoduh
November 21st, 2010, 01:57 AM
I wish I could say that your report was the first time I'd heard of this lack of character. Maybe reporting the behavior will help curtail it. It's just a shame. Hopefully the board can act civilly from here on out and each board member can focus on the tasks that they are prescribed to do by our charter.

Parks
November 21st, 2010, 03:11 AM
I figure I'll get in on this thread before it gets messy.


I also know that there is a meeting at the Season Ticket this Sunday at 5:30PM. Should I not make this meeting I appoint Lyle Parks as chair in my place. In case I’m not there, I'm sending him the same type of Order of Business that worked so well at our last official meeting.

I'd be happy to chair the meeting this Sunday if you can't make it. Just know that I can be kind of a dick about staying on topic and keeping discussion moving forward for the sake of time.

It has been advertised that this meeting is being called for the purpose of approving Election Materials. It’s probably about more than that, but at least that’s what’s been posted on the forum. We’re probably going to get Election Materials anyway so (should I be absent) there needs to be a vote for these materials, you can count my vote to be the same way that Lyle votes on this matter.

Almost all board meetings are about more than one topic.

Regarding voting the same way as me, I'd imagine that you'd need to be at a meeting to vote due to the nature of discussion and ambiguity regarding exactly what will be voted on at meetings.

Responsibilities of Membership:
• Maintain active club status and dues.
• Support the Club, its sponsors, and its members.
• Assist with course maintenance and clean-up.
• Give assistance to new players and visitors.
• Abide the PDGA rules of courtesy, integrity, and responsibility.


Adding responsibilities for the membership at large to a charter seems odd, especially since many of the items in this list are so subjective. Also, failing to participate in these duties doesn't seem like enough reason to suspend a member, so I don't see a real reason to add something like this.

• Suspension of Membership:
Any member may be suspended by a 2/3 vote of those present at a *Board/Club meeting for any of the following infractions:
• Repeated unsportsmanlike conduct, such as cursing, throwing objects in anger (other
than discs), excessive displays of anger, overt rudeness, threats or willful physical harm to anyone present.
• Willful destruction or harming of park property, plant life, or wildlife.
• Cheating: A willful attempt to circumvent the rules.

The suspension shall continue until the next scheduled Board/Club meeting. At that time the suspended member may address the Club. A 2/3 quorum of the Board must be present at the meeting and a positive simple majority vote of the membership present will be required for reinstatement. During a suspension, the suspended party loses all Club privileges and voting rights. There will be No reimbursement of Club Dues. A suspended member that is denied reinstatement may reapply after 3 months but is subject to the same voting approval requirement at that time.

* A Board/Club meeting is defined as any official scheduled meeting which has a quorum of Board Officers present.

I do think that we need to add special criteria for suspension of membership to the charter for the simple reason that right now it would fall under the very broad power of a 2/3 board member vote at a meeting with a quorum present. This is not strict enough.

I think that both that and your suggestion are too lenient. They allow, for example, 4 board members to suspend another board member at a board meeting. This could be used maliciously and unfairly.

I think that the board, at a board meeting, should be able to suspend a member only if all board members are present and the vote is unanimous. If a suspension is necessary, it should be obvious to everyone and the vote should be unanimous. Vandalism of a course or park property would be an example.

A board member should be able to be suspended only by a 2/3 vote of members at an open club meeting, but only if 10-15% (basically a substantial representation) or more of the current members are present. This would prevent a meeting of a handful of club members being able to suspend a board member. Similarly for the club suspending a non-board member at an open meeting.

Having said that, I think this is business that doesn't need to be handled right now because I have yet to hear of a club member or board member that needed their membership suspended, and our charter is very unofficial at the moment.

psychodwarf
November 21st, 2010, 03:55 AM
• Suspension of Membership:
Any member may be suspended by a 2/3 vote of those present at a *Board/Club meeting for any of the following infractions:
• Repeated unsportsmanlike conduct, such as cursing, throwing objects in anger (other
than discs), excessive displays of anger, overt rudeness, threats or willful physical harm to anyone present.
• Willful destruction or harming of park property, plant life, or wildlife.
• Cheating: A willful attempt to circumvent the rules.

you mean i have to pay money JUST to get suspended by jeff and whoever he can get to side with him ?I DONT THINK SO! sounds like jeff is trying to CHANGE the charter to what HE wants HIS club to say .. B.T.W. jeff when are you going come to downriver for a work party AND WORK instead of whining about how you have strained you arm and cant work?
So, I know that the Board can just turn around and appoint Jon Verbarg to be the Facilities Coordinator – When they have a quorum, but at this point Eric Brown is still in that position. Don’t you think that someone should actually talk to him prior to shutting him out?and how do you figure this out jeff ? he quit when he didnt show up for meetings OR the work parties ..THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE IN THE REAL WORLD !! If you dont show up you dont have a job it is that simple !

Parks
November 21st, 2010, 05:47 AM
you mean i have to pay money JUST to get suspended by jeff and whoever he can get to side with him ?I DONT THINK SO!

Right now, the way a member could be suspended would actually be LESS restrictive than what Jeff is proposing.

sounds like jeff is trying to CHANGE the charter to what HE wants HIS club to say .. B.T.W. jeff when are you going come to downriver for a work party AND WORK instead of whining about how you have strained you arm and cant work?

As I said in my PM reply to you, Jeff has done a lot of work for the courses. ALL board members have, excluding myself this year because I'm a douche like that.

and how do you figure this out jeff ? he quit when he didnt show up for meetings OR the work parties ..THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE IN THE REAL WORLD !! If you dont show up you dont have a job it is that simple !

Like Jeff said, he agrees that the position is probably vacated. However, getting a hold of Eric seems imperative, no?

The U.S. Congress has sitting members with far worse attendance records, but that is obviously a bad example :D

Yoduh
November 21st, 2010, 04:00 PM
you mean i have to pay money JUST to get suspended by jeff and whoever he can get to side with him ?I DONT THINK SO! sounds like jeff is trying to CHANGE the charter to what HE wants HIS club to say ..
Jeff is making a very valid point on a charter that was written for a club with no experience in having a charter. It makes sense that our bylaws be analyzed adjusted to be fair and democratic. The government does the same with the Bill of rights and other laws all the time. There is no way Jeff is adjusting laws to kick you out. You are not the enemy. I've never heard anything like that.

Yoduh
November 22nd, 2010, 10:50 PM
I went to the board meeting last night regarding this issue. Lyle proposed Jon Verbarg vacate his position and serve until the next election as the interim Facilities Coordinator. Gordy proposed that the board members vote again for who should vote again for who should become the Facilities Coordinator. In the end the majority decided that its to difficult to change the past and that board members need to communicate more effectively when coordinating a meeting. The board is now exploring options to standardize meetings so that this sort of problem doesn't occur again.

Wobbly Bob
November 23rd, 2010, 09:02 AM
I went to the board meeting last night regarding this issue. Lyle proposed Jon Verbarg vacate his position and serve until the next election as the interim Facilities Coordinator. Gordy proposed that the board members vote again for who should vote again for who should become the Facilities Coordinator. In the end the majority decided that its to difficult to change the past and that board members need to communicate more effectively when coordinating a meeting. The board is now exploring options to standardize meetings so that this sort of problem doesn't occur again.

While Jeremy Thornton was present at the meeting on Nov. 21, 2010 his report to the public is not to be mistaken for the actual meeting minutes.

Once Lyle has sent me the official meeting minutes I will post them on the Forum. There was more that went on at this meeting than just this item.

Yoduh
November 23rd, 2010, 10:24 PM
I second that:drool:

Gordy #21004
November 25th, 2010, 02:30 AM
you mean i have to pay money JUST to get suspended by jeff and whoever he can get to side with him ?I DONT THINK SO! sounds like jeff is trying to CHANGE the charter to what HE wants HIS club to say .. B.T.W. jeff when are you going come to downriver for a work party AND WORK instead of whining about how you have strained you arm and cant work?
and how do you figure this out jeff ? he quit when he didnt show up for meetings OR the work parties ..THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE IN THE REAL WORLD !! If you dont show up you dont have a job it is that simple !

Our Charter does not pre-emptively identify specific problems . It does, however, empower the Membership and the Board to deal with any problem it sees fit to reconcile. We do not need to invent problems; problems will arise on their own. The Club is already substantially postured to legislate or adjudicate as needed. Our Charter has a necessary simplicity; we don't need counsel to tell us what it says. Our Charter could be better, but not much better. :chug:

Yoduh
November 25th, 2010, 12:26 PM
We do not need to invent problems; problems will arise on their own. The Club is already substantially postured to legislate or adjudicate as needed. Our Charter has a necessary simplicity; we don't need counsel to tell us what it says. Our Charter could be better, but not much better. :chug:

It would be awesome if there were no actual problem here, but that is clearly not the case. Holding a meeting to replace a board member would and should clearly include an invitation to, at the very least, the entire acting board, not to mention an invitation to the club members to view the process and perhaps include their thoughts since the board is supposed to be carrying out the will of the club. It is quite discernible that a portion of the board would decide that the remaining entity was not required to make this paramount decision.

Even more alarming in this situation is the willingness to BULLY a fellow disc golfer into bending to your will. This point, while unavoidable, is also inconceivable. I couldn't even imagine such a pointed/evil statement being directed towards me, and I highly doubt Gordy would ever try such a thing to me. But to Jeff, a pastor and a very peaceful man, it was easy pickings to bulldoze him with a threat because he was very unprepared to deal with obtuse, caveman like tactics. This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened either..:nono::cop:

I cannot look the other way here. I cannot, in good conscience, sweep this under the rug. It's also distressing to think that other board members witnessed this and didn't come forward, or at least to Jeff's rescue while the situation was occuring..:bricks:

LJ Jubner
November 25th, 2010, 04:30 PM
After such a thoughtful post Yoduh
How do you think the process of replacing a non ( not to be confused with a bad or poorly functioning) board member? Now, remember that you need to operate within the guidelines of the club? No reinventing the club till afterwards


First is the position not up for consideration for 2 years now?

The simplest solution is to open the position up for the upcoming election.

This issue was crystal clear back in August that the member elected was not interested in performing his duties then or anytime in the future. August being a very important time for the courses his participation was critical.

How long was the membership going to allow this to continue to happening? ( his non performance that is)

How long was the board supposed to wait for the membership to get off it's collective ass and demand either the elected official fulfill his duties or vacate the position?

It seems to me that the board was damned if it did anything and damned if it did nothing.

Sky Pilot
November 26th, 2010, 07:35 PM
Gordy says, "We do not need to invent problems."

His words speak volumes.

Depose the K.G.B.

Yoduh
December 8th, 2010, 01:52 AM
The board has never been damned in this situation. Gordy is not the board. Threatening somebody is serious.

LJ Jubner
December 8th, 2010, 07:25 AM
The board has never been damned in this situation. Gordy is not the board. Threatening somebody is serious.


So YoDA If the board was not damned then answer these questions

How important is the FC position to the club?
How long was the board supposed to wait for the person elected to either perform his duties or abandon the position so it could be filled by someone who would do the job?


... Threatening somebody is serious.
Not to be confused with the time you attacked that guy at LCO (in 2003-4?) by 6 basket over HIS girlfriend. Cris Bellinger can you refresh our memories of what year that was?

Yoduh
December 8th, 2010, 11:23 AM
So YoDA If the board was not damned then answer these questions

How important is the FC position to the club?
How long was the board supposed to wait for the person elected to either perform his duties or abandon the position so it could be filled by someone who would do the job?


These questions aren't really the right questions. 1) If I was a part of the board and I were going to replace a board member I would first and foremost make sure that the other 5 board members know about the meeting. Not 2. 2) I would invite the Club members to the meeting to invite feedback and to solicit opinion from the members I am representing.


Not to be confused with the time you attacked that guy at LCO (in 2003-4?) by 6 basket over HIS girlfriend. Cris Bellinger can you refresh our memories of what year that was?
Once again you speak about something you have no clue about what you are saying. 1) not his girlfriend. 2) I was punched in the side of the head when I wasn't looking. 3) This in no way excuses Gordy for threatening people.

I could just as easily mention here that you told me your tournament was full and then told me I could get in if I paid you $500. After you let someone in who signed up after me. Besides most of the people on this forum are pretty up to speed on Jub credentials and Jub scams.

LJ Jubner
December 8th, 2010, 12:20 PM
I am just a current club member on the outside looking in.

At least I took the issue seriously enough by even considering splitting weekends (as you suggested. )

Wobbly Bob
December 9th, 2010, 08:42 AM
The board has never been damned in this situation. Gordy is not the board. Threatening somebody is serious.

Jeremy, I don't believe you were at the meeting you are speaking about. Gordy never said he was going to hit Jeff yet this is how you make it sound. You're playing a game called telephone and spreading rumors. Isn't it time to grow up?

Yoduh
December 9th, 2010, 12:28 PM
Jeremy, I don't believe you were at the meeting you are speaking about. Gordy never said he was going to hit Jeff yet this is how you make it sound. You're playing a game called telephone and spreading rumors. Isn't it time to grow up?
There were only 3 board members total invited to the meeting. The fourth just happened to show up. I am not playing any games. If you read Skypilot's report which is on this forum, anyone can see what is so upsetting. I realize the goals of you and Jub is to sweep this under the rug but the problem is this isn't the first time club business has been carried out through Gordy with blunt force trauma. I am sick of it.:nono::cop:
I don't understand how a meeting of club members or board members can turn into threats, intimidation and chest bumping. It is disc golf, not a heavyweight title fight.

LJ Jubner
December 9th, 2010, 01:06 PM
... I am sick of it.

Maybe the suggestion of your own club is the answer.



I don't understand how a meeting of club members or board members can turn into threats, intimidation and chest bumping. It is disc golf, not a heavyweight title fight.

Actually Yoda it was you who concluded that Gordy had tried to intimidate Jeff. Jeff even stated Gordy apologized so the issue or at least any perceived intimidation should have been moot.

By the way was I missing something when Jeff said he arrived 30 min early but was actually late?

He was late to a meeting he set the time for (whether anyone else responded/attended or not.) If your late you have got expect them to start without you.

jshrack
December 9th, 2010, 04:15 PM
The meeting was NOT announced as starting early yet it did. I showed up 2 min prior to the start of the meeting and votes were being cast to remove Eric and instate John. The club was not involved at all. The club was not even told a replacement was being considered nonetheless decided on at an unannounced meeting. I asked that we reconsider these board meetings before club meetings and was not even given a change to make my case. This entire meeting was FUBAR. Yet the board insisted it was our best in months... nothing new...

Chainbanger44
December 9th, 2010, 05:23 PM
FUBAR HAHA Good word choice check out the movie!

LJ Jubner
December 9th, 2010, 07:05 PM
... nothing new...

It's my understanding that if the steward calls a meeting (Time/date/place) he needs to be prepared to be ready for that meeting (Time/date/place) whether others respond or not. The response is a certainly a courtesy and should be responded too. But, it's just that a courtesy, it's not like its a subpoena


Maybe some of the frustration you sensed was this issue had gone on for so long members were glad to FINALLY have it (and only it, the un supported FC position) settled.

I guess my next question is was anything else discussed at this meeting?

jshrack
December 9th, 2010, 07:56 PM
FC was NOT discussed in the member meeting.
It was not addressed to the club at all.
It was not on Jeff's agenda because it was competely unplanned.
Jeff didn't schedule any early meeting as far as I know...
Where did you get that idea?

LJ Jubner
December 9th, 2010, 10:07 PM
FC was NOT discussed in the member meeting.
It was not addressed to the club at all.
It was not on Jeff's agenda because it was competely unplanned.
Jeff didn't schedule any early meeting as far as I know...
Where did you get that idea?

From the original post

Wobbly Bob
December 10th, 2010, 08:16 AM
There were only 3 board members total invited to the meeting. The fourth just happened to show up. I am not playing any games. If you read Skypilot's report which is on this forum, anyone can see what is so upsetting. I realize the goals of you and Jub is to sweep this under the rug but the problem is this isn't the first time club business has been carried out through Gordy with blunt force trauma. I am sick of it.:nono::cop:
I don't understand how a meeting of club members or board members can turn into threats, intimidation and chest bumping. It is disc golf, not a heavyweight title fight.

Jeremy, you can continue to rant on this issue if you want, but the Board has worked it out among ourselves and we are going forward from that point.

You are making this into a soap opera but it wasn't really as dramatic as you make it out to be. I was there, you were not.

Maybe you should follow Jub's suggestion if you feel so negatively about the SDGA's leadership.

jshrack
December 10th, 2010, 01:51 PM
Jub: Jeff sent an email to one board member asking why about the new routine.
He was never replied to. I don't see how you interpret this as you do... Oh well.

Bob's statement sums it up.
The board worked it out amongst themselves.

The club sadly went along for a ride.
Thus, I am very happy the board agreed to review the charter.
A review committee has already been started with an experienced member chair!
KUDOS!!!

Yoduh
December 12th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Jeremy, you can continue to rant on this issue if you want, but the Board has worked it out among ourselves and we are going forward from that point.

You are making this into a soap opera but it wasn't really as dramatic as you make it out to be. I was there, you were not.

Maybe you should follow Jub's suggestion if you feel so negatively about the SDGA's leadership.

So there was no chest bumping, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies in the middle of a weekly.

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes

Yoduh
December 12th, 2010, 11:02 AM
So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly. :bricks:

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later. Unless something unexpected occurs and it is no longer possible. I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.

LJ Jubner
December 12th, 2010, 11:47 AM
So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly. .

Correct me if I am wrong but

Aren't the weeklies and their revenue for the club the basis of what, how and when the club has the resourses to keep itself afloat
As the treasurer Gordy was well within his duties asking for the clubs money
Why should a club rep hold any amount of club money for any length of time? $100 is a hell of a turn out for a weekly

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later?..

As a matter of procedure and the fact that agendas (at least to this point ) are set by the board only,your suggestion requires an entirely new mechanism to accomplish it. Concesus building is good to a point unlees the issuse is time sensitive. By the time you gain one, it's noramlly too late. I agree hopefully the evaluation/evoloution of the charter will address these issues.

I do want to applaud all those who worked out a very intelligent voting process so all prepaid current members can vote in Jan.

I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.

This too is a great sentiment but It's been my experience that clubs only get hot when it's cold out! Unfortunately Being a board member is a full time/ year round job.

Wobbly Bob
December 12th, 2010, 06:18 PM
So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly. :bricks:

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later. Unless something unexpected occurs and it is no longer possible. I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.

Now let me get this right! Gordy at 210 lbs. chest bumped with Maka at 275 lbs. and you thought that Maka was intimidated?

Gordon was chasing money for the SDGA as the Treasurer. Stimpi had raised the money running weeklies for the SDGA, and he had handed that money over to Maka, but Maka didn't have it any more! He had given it away as ace pot money.

I love ya man, but you always see Gordy as the villain. Where would disc golf in Spokane be without him?? Have you given as much of your time to disc golf as Gordy??? Have you been a disc golf sponsor as much as Gordy, or Stimpi, or Jack??? What have you donated to the SDGA besides you criticism????

Gordy Crafts is the single main reason for the SDGA being where it is today. He has inspired others to come along side of him and share his vision. He has even inspired others to go beyond his own dreams for disc golf in Spokane.

jshrack
December 12th, 2010, 08:05 PM
[QUOTE=LJ Being a board member is a full time/ year round job.[/QUOTE]

Lord do I wish our board actually felt this way.
The SDGA's current board doesn't meet during the season.
Thus the reason it took 6 months to get FC resolved...
They are too busy?

Disc Golf Diva
December 13th, 2010, 06:32 PM
Gordy says, "We do not need to invent problems."

His words speak volumes.

Depose the K.G.B.

It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying

psychodwarf
December 14th, 2010, 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Sky Pilot
Gordy says, "We do not need to invent problems."

His words speak volumes.

Depose the K.G.B.

It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying
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AGAIN somebody else who THINKS this post is GOTTEN WAAAAY out of hand .. and yoduh IF YOU REALLY WANT CHEST BUMPING i am sure the K.G.B. would LET ME HANDLE THAT PROBLEM ..and now if you are done with your SOAP BOX RUN can WE(yes i mean the club) get back to the daily tasks of discgolf .. oh yoduh and jeff WHEN as club members are you two gonna just grow up and deal with the facts of life NOT EVERYONE thinks like the two of you .. IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THE CLUB IS DOING QUIT WHINNING AND JUST QUIT !!!! i am getting tried of coming on to the forum and having to listen to how ppl are not treating you two right..BOOHOO LIFE IS NOT FAIR GET OVER IT ..

psychodwarf
December 14th, 2010, 02:46 AM
Lord do I wish our board actually felt this way.
The SDGA's current board doesn't meet during the season.
Thus the reason it took 6 months to get FC resolved...
They are too busy?

i do think that most if not all of the board has a full time job other then the SDGA .

jshrack
December 14th, 2010, 12:41 PM
Not in dispute...
Yet, taking on those extra duties is a responsiblity they have asked to accept.
Shirking those during the golf season isn't what we should be shooting for.

Why bring only drivers onto the course when they do the job half the time?
Still great discs... We just need more utility than that.

coryreu
December 16th, 2010, 08:55 AM
It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying
Amen

Yoduh
December 17th, 2010, 12:00 AM
Now let me get this right! Gordy at 210 lbs. chest bumped with Maka at 275 lbs. and you thought that Maka was intimidated?
I don't know if he was intimidated or not, the point is this is disc golf, not the mafia. You don't need to intimidate people that are trying to cooperate and help raise money. Maka said that if Gordy would have been 20 years younger he would have knocked him out for being so disrespectful. He said that he completely ruined the round for him, and everybody in his group. He said that at the very beginning when Gordy approached him, he was about to start the event, and he told Gordy he had called him several times and that he wanted to meet him and talk about the situation. From this point Gordy, decides he needs to follow Maka and harass him, and at one point chest bump him!?!?

Gordon was chasing money for the SDGA as the Treasurer. Stimpi had raised the money running weeklies for the SDGA, and he had handed that money over to Maka, but Maka didn't have it any more! He had given it away as ace pot money.
Somebody hit the ace pot and Maka had to pay them out, and he couldn't get a hold of Gordy so he paid out of HIS pocket. He reimbursed himself collecting the SDGA portion of the entry's. He tried calling Gordy several times. Showing up and acting like a BULLY is CRAP!

I love ya man, but you always see Gordy as the villain. Where would disc golf in Spokane be without him?? Have you given as much of your time to disc golf as Gordy??? Have you been a disc golf sponsor as much as Gordy, or Stimpi, or Jack??? What have you donated to the SDGA besides you criticism????

Well Bob I really don't like to tout what I do for the club or the sport because I am more interested in getting things done than getting credit. But if you think I only whine and criticize than I will help fill in the void. I ran 3 "High Bridge Teasers" raising over $1500 for High Bridge before we had baskets. A High Bridge Teaser is exactly the same thing as what Kevin has and you have ran at People's park, I gave that idea to Kevin. I ran a summer series on Wednesday's that went for 8 weeks. I averaged 25 players a week and kicked down the $2 a piece to the club. I have attended work parties at Downriver since before you knew what disc golf was. I've worked at High Bridge, Corbin Park, Cherry Hill (helped all designs), I designed and constructed Dubble Black Diamond and am doing the same at Heyburn State Park right now. I've worked 40+ hours out at 4 Mounds and also did quite a bit at Golden Gate Park in SF.
I also designed People's Park. I feel Kevin deserves a ton of credit anyway's for dealing with keeping the buckets up and going. I donated the old teepad for hole 4 on Christmas a few years back. I also drove back and forth from Pullman 8 times, while I was struggling to get by in college, to play the first ever winter series in Spokane ran by the one and only.. Richard Robbins. I donated all of my winnings back to the course back when we were shooting at buckets. I always donate to the charity events and I used to bring in sponsors for the SDGA events until I realized that the ethics of our TD's were less than admirable.
I asked for years if the club would approach the city about getting sponsors for our tee signs. I was told that they wouldn't allow private sponsors in a public park. By Gordy. I was also told if we pushed this issue we could lose our park. 10 months ago Jeff Crumb became president and less than a month later we had approval for tee signs to raise money for our courses. How did Jeff get the city to change their minds? He said all he did was ask if we could put sponsors on our signs and they said, sure you can. At a recent board meeting Gordy and Bob proposed that the SDGA pull the baskets from High Bridge and that the "USER GROUP" pay to get them back. Not sure I follow that logic since the "USER GROUP" is the people that pay their dues and play in fund raising event's. Maybe you can explain your thought process BOB?

Gordy Crafts is the single main reason for the SDGA being where it is today. He has inspired others to come along side of him and share his vision. He has even inspired others to go beyond his own dreams for disc golf in Spokane.

Gordy Crafts has done everything in his power to alienate disc golfers with energy and ideas. As these golfers have quit trying to be involved it has left Gordy as the last man standing. I have always tried to be helpful but I haven't been appreciated. I worked a couple full days before a 4 mound event a few years back, and Kevin Sakus came out and worked for an hour. Time comes for Gordy to thank some helpful souls, and he thanks Kevin who's blown away that he was even mentioned, and he can't believe he doesn't say anything about me(directly from Kevin's mouth). I wanted to run a barbeque for a 4 mounds event and I talked to Gordy about what it might cost, and he has me go do a bunch of price checking. I get back to him with prices the next day. He says why don't you figure out how much it would be for sandwiches. I call him back the next day. He says I just made up the flyer for the tourney, if you'd like to sell sandwiches at the tourney you can, pay me $50 and I will let you do it.. My idea from the beginning was I would provide a service that disc golfers could pre-order when they register, and not worry about food out at 4 mounds. Instead I spend 6 hours talking to Gordy and running around figuring stuff out, and he decides before he's even heard info on sandwiches that I can pay him and vend!? If he would have said that before I wouldn't have wasted any time at all. I'm not a sandwich vendor. The very next year he puts a lunch option for sandwiches on the registration, without me of course. The first meeting I ever went to for the club I asked that the club try and plant some trees to help with safety, he laughed at me and made a joke, I guess I should have taken the hint there. Very inspirational Gordy
I have seen him do the exact same thing to lots of other golfers.
If you want the truth ask me in person.

LJ Jubner
December 17th, 2010, 07:17 AM
Your post reads like it is time for you to try and form your own club.

jshrack
December 17th, 2010, 09:38 AM
I am disgusted by our club members telling anyone to quit... Not your place. Now I begin to see why our club stays so small and fractured.

LJ Jubner
December 17th, 2010, 10:49 AM
I am disgusted by our club members telling anyone to quit... Not your place.

Yoda has been been disgruntled for along time now. He has tried to strike out on his own to form the Valley Club several times. Unfortunately he seems to lack the following of enough members to realize his visions and goals.

Now I begin to see why our club stays so small and fractured.

Actually I don't see the club as small or fractured.
Two courses in the ground
Outside funding for a third and
Such a weak club can fund a fourth right now.

Now it's not all Gordy doing all the work. At times some really critical projects were accomplished by dedicated club'rs. Chris Re comes straight to mind
No, he did not see eye to eye on everything but still put forth his best effort Yes, Yoda has been involved with the fun stuff like basic design.
Yes, Jeff has been able to introduce new ideas to the board. Has it been a struggle? Yes but I bet if you ask him He is still happy to have given the effort.
Yes the club is going forward through the efforts of all the members.

jshrack
December 17th, 2010, 11:26 AM
I'll be the first to admit that my perspective is limited by my time in the club.
The view just seems a lil better at times (my very subjective interpretation)

Parks
December 17th, 2010, 03:31 PM
I am disgusted by our club members telling anyone to quit... Not your place. Now I begin to see why our club stays so small and fractured.

With an attitude like that, why don't you go and form your own club!?

jshrack
December 17th, 2010, 06:12 PM
Sarcasm? So hard to tell via text...
If not... My club of one would be smaller and more fractured anyway.
:nahnah:

LJ Jubner
December 17th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Sarcasm? So hard to tell via text...
If not... My club of one would be smaller and more fractured anyway.
:nahnah:

Yeah But you would get lots done lol HH from one trouble maker to another. jub

jshrack
December 17th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Happy holidays jub :yay:

Yoduh
December 18th, 2010, 04:04 AM
Yoda has been been disgruntled for along time now. He has tried to strike out on his own to form the Valley Club several times. Unfortunately he seems to lack the following of enough members to realize his visions and goals.
Jub really has no clue, and it's quite beautiful, the amount of b.s. that flows anyway..
Now it's not all Gordy doing all the work. At times some really critical projects were accomplished by dedicated club'rs. Chris Re comes straight to mind
Christopher would never work with the club again. Thanks to Gordy and Bob..

No, he did not see eye to eye on everything but still put forth his best effort Yes, Yoda has been involved with the fun stuff like basic design.
Yes, Jeff has been able to introduce new ideas to the board. Has it been a struggle? Yes but I bet if you ask him He is still happy to have given the effort.
Yes the club is going forward through the efforts of all the members.
Fun stuff my butt. I've worked my butt of out here in Spokane. I've been way to sore to play disc from working on several occasions. You act like you know whats going on out here Jub but you only know what you've heard from Gordy and Bob and the internet. You have no other friends here other than Jaymie that would talk to you about this stuff but appreciate your pretend expertise.. Always nice to hear from the "Fox News" point of view..

LJ Jubner
December 18th, 2010, 08:22 AM
Jub really has no clue, and it's quite beautiful, the amount of b.s. that flows anyway..expertise.. Always nice to hear from the "Fox News" point of view..

What an interseting way to get memebers to vote for you

Jub really has no clue, and it's quite beautiful, the amount of b.s. that flows anyway..
Christopher would never work with the club again. Thanks to Gordy and Bob..
..

Like I said Chris did what he agreed to no matter what or how he felt about anyone or thing. Not this whiny cry baby shit you profess.

Fun stuff my butt. I've worked my butt of out here in Spokane. I've been way to sore to play disc from working on several occasions. ..

You know when I show for a work party I don't even bring plastic! I can guarentee you that I will work circles around you even though your 20 years younger than I am, 25 younger Gordy

Fun stuff my butt. I've worked my butt of out here in Spokane. I've been way to sore to play disc from working on several occasions. You act like you know whats going on out here Jub but you only know what you've heard from Gordy and Bob and the internet. You have no other friends here other than Jaymie that would talk to you about this stuff but appreciate your pretend expertise.. Always nice to hear from the "Fox News" point of view..

So what your a saying to me is People like Stimpi, TC, Tim Nevins, Van Souest Kim and Ron, Lesli, Eric and Randi, Cory yes even Justin are all two faced liars because they chum up to me?

Do you realize that the Woman who over sees all the Spokane City Golf courses has been a friend of mine for a long time now.

but appreciate your pretend expertise.. .

Expertise Ok Yodumb Your weedeater (if you actually had one) has quit running, Any Clue about what you do to KEEP IT WORKING, ONSITE?

Always nice to hear from the "Fox News" point of view..

It's more likely your are the NOISE poster and it's sheep like you that keep Faux going

jshrack
December 18th, 2010, 02:22 PM
Ok, I'm gonna press pause on the current flame war.
1) Neither of you was at the meeting in question.
2) I don't care who has (or had) beef with who and why.
3) Our club has enough drama without an east/west rapper war breaking out.
4) Remember when it was about the music? (oops, wrong post) ;)

BakederThinU
December 18th, 2010, 02:34 PM
awe the music:dancing::dancing:

Yoduh
December 18th, 2010, 06:05 PM
I'm not looking to get your vote Jub. It's obvious your minds made up. You do not participate over here and you talk like you know things about what's going on here. I have never posted negative things about Gordy up until this post finally made me want to stand up and say, Hey, I've been treated unfairly and rudely as have others. I've bit my tongue for a long time on the Gordy subject. The truth could not be held back anymore.
I can't stop that feeling anymore..
I haven't forgotten what I stopped fighting for..
Awe yes.. The music :shooting::laughing:

coryreu
December 19th, 2010, 10:38 AM
This long and drawn out thread was initiated with a long and drawn out report given by Jeff. The report starts off with a nice comment about work done on the courses and how he doesn't want the report to disparage that work. That's a lovely thing to say, Jeff, and it starts the report off with a very thoughtful and kind comment. But this work is never mentioned again so how could the report be confused as belittling that work? It's a non-sequitur.

If there are problems with board members offending one another, can they not work these problems out amongst themselves without deeming it necessary to report issues to the rest of the disc golf world? Personlaity conflicts are not SDGA business. Perhaps solving personal problems between board members rather than with the disc golf community at large will show the public that the SDGA board is civil and would gain respect from everyone. Then further progress can be made in the club.

I see the report as a tap root to the drama and bickering that happens on these forums and find myself wondering if this was the intention? It seems to me that this entire issue has disintegrated in to a he said/he said and I'm not certain any real work is getting done here. What I am certain of, is that the SDGA is not representing itself well in this forum and I find myself incredibly disappointed at that. I hope this was not Jeff's intention.

I hope you might have some clarifications and answers for me, because you have written an extensive report, and called it the minutes to the meeting. I'm feeling like they fell a little short from being those. The thread started Nov. 20th, and you haven't had much to say since then, so I ask myself again, where have you been Mr. President?

jshrack
December 19th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Thank you for the perspectiveCory.
Good input to keep in mind.

Yoduh
January 5th, 2011, 03:27 AM
If there are problems with board members offending one another, can they not work these problems out amongst themselves without deeming it necessary to report issues to the rest of the disc golf world? Personlaity conflicts are not SDGA business
If a Board members acts as a bully or and completely disrespects another board member in a board meeting that member should have the right to explain things to the club. Maybe we need a private page on another forum that club members can have access to so that our personnel problems can be kept to only our members. That way we can save our club image problem. Or we could conduct ourselves responsibly and not have to worry about it.
Perhaps solving personal problems between board members rather than with the disc golf community at large will show the public that the SDGA board is civil and would gain respect from everyone. Then further progress can be made in the club.
I agree. It would have been good if this event was a one time thing and a little patience had been shown here. The election of a new board member could have been alot less complicated with better communication. I know there was a lesson learned here the hard way.


I see the report as a tap root to the drama and bickering that happens on these forums and find myself wondering if this was the intention? It seems to me that this entire issue has disintegrated in to a he said/he said and I'm not certain any real work is getting done here. What I am certain of, is that the SDGA is not representing itself well in this forum and I find myself incredibly disappointed at that. I hope this was not Jeff's intention.
I do not see any he said she said in what Jeff said at all. You have what happened placed in front of you because there was a seriously disrespectful act that occured. I have felt similar things but I haven't been a board member. My report is not he said she said. Although it is not official club business it does illustrate how Gordy carries himself when representing the club and working with it's member's.

I hope you might have some clarifications and answers for me, because you have written an extensive report, and called it the minutes to the meeting. I'm feeling like they fell a little short from being those. The thread started Nov. 20th, and you haven't had much to say since then, so I ask myself again, where have you been Mr. President?
I think he reported on what's happened. Your question seems to be accusatory of his motives, of writing about the terrible thing that happened on the 20th day of November. I think if most were treated that way, they would tell others about it. I am sure you could email him if you wanted to know or you could ask him in person. I know if you are respectful it won't show up on this forum.

coryreu
January 5th, 2011, 09:50 PM
This thread began with Jeff's report. It seems just a little as if he felt the need to even the score somehow by tattling on Gordy, Bob and Kevin. Oh no, he was outnumber and was blindsided. Heavens to Betsy! What was he to do? How about, I don't know, drop the gloves, and stand up by yourself. Tear off those heavenly wings and fight fire with fire. Nope, what happens is there was some necessity for a good pot shot back on a forum as defense against the terrible three. Just for satisfaction I guess. Telling everyone the rest of the board is out to get him like bullies didn't accomplish a thing. Now he has yet to speak on the subject since, never to be heard from again on the thread. Wow, they must have really done a number on him.
Now, 2 months and over 50 posts of bickering later, nothing has been accomplished except spreading the word that the leaders of this club sit on separate sides of the aisle. It seems now that we've got the bull headed evil doers who are verbally sparring with the soft and cuddly saints. If you like one, then you better trash talk the other. And what better way can you think of than to use a forum as a passive/aggressive defense mechanism.

psychodwarf
January 5th, 2011, 10:53 PM
This thread began with Jeff's report. It seems just a little as if he felt the need to even the score somehow by tattling on Gordy, Bob and Kevin. Oh no, he was outnumber and was blindsided. Heavens to Betsy! What was he to do? How about, I don't know, drop the gloves, and stand up by yourself. Tear off those heavenly wings and fight fire with fire. Nope, what happens is there was some necessity for a good pot shot back on a forum as defense against the terrible three. Just for satisfaction I guess. Telling everyone the rest of the board is out to get him like bullies didn't accomplish a thing. Now he has yet to speak on the subject since, never to be heard from again on the thread. Wow, they must have really done a number on him.
Now, 2 months and over 50 posts of bickering later, nothing has been accomplished except spreading the word that the leaders of this club sit on separate sides of the aisle. It seems now that we've got the bull headed evil doers who are verbally sparring with the soft and cuddly saints. If you like one, then you better trash talk the other. And what better way can you think of than to use a forum as a passive/aggressive defense mechanism.

AND WITH SAID !!!!!!! PLAY BALL! opps that would be PLAY GOLF! .(REMEMBER THIS SPORT IS ABOUT DISC GOLF ) RIGHT ?

Yoduh
January 6th, 2011, 01:14 AM
This thread began with Jeff's report. It seems just a little as if he felt the need to even the score somehow by tattling on Gordy, Bob and Kevin. Oh no, he was outnumber and was blindsided. Heavens to Betsy! What was he to do? How about, I don't know, drop the gloves, and stand up by yourself. Tear off those heavenly wings and fight fire with fire. Nope, what happens is there was some necessity for a good pot shot back on a forum as defense against the terrible three. Just for satisfaction I guess. Telling everyone the rest of the board is out to get him like bullies didn't accomplish a thing. Now he has yet to speak on the subject since, never to be heard from again on the thread. Wow, they must have really done a number on him.
Now, 2 months and over 50 posts of bickering later, nothing has been accomplished except spreading the word that the leaders of this club sit on separate sides of the aisle. It seems now that we've got the bull headed evil doers who are verbally sparring with the soft and cuddly saints. If you like one, then you better trash talk the other. And what better way can you think of than to use a forum as a passive/aggressive defense mechanism.

What question is the most important that he answer? I think he was blind sided by Gordy's aggressiveness. Gordy is a big guy. Jeff isn't that big and I don't think club business should be handled this way ever again. My main issue is that it's not the first time but a pattern that has occurred.
I think some things were accomplished. I know that if a board member is replaced again than the replacement will be handled better. The charter is being modified as well now.. Not completely from this incident but it did amplify the need to address the issues of the charter. I am done with this thread unless we are gonna talk some baseball..:pirate:
Matt Garza might become a Cub. I heard they are supers close to trading for him. He'd shore up their rotation.

psychodwarf
January 6th, 2011, 11:15 AM
I am done with this thread unless we are gonna talk some baseball..

this is something i will PAY to see! YODUH NOT TALKING ..... WOOOOHOOOO!

Yoduh
January 7th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Garza is a Cub!

psychodwarf
January 7th, 2011, 11:44 PM
damn i lost ......:(:(:(:(:(:slapface:

Yoduh
January 8th, 2011, 02:22 AM
damn i lost ......:(:(:(:(:(:slapface:

Not if your a Cubs fan:yay:

catalystdg
January 10th, 2011, 10:56 AM
I really hope I wasn't as bad as all this. I know things didn't go very smoothly when i was on the board and thats why i left. I was concidering rejoining the club but after reading this thats definately not going to happen.
I know many other players who feel the same, so the board members might want to pretend to get along both on this forum and on the course. just my two cents, i would love to see this club have a good reputation.:chinscratch:

psychodwarf
January 10th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I really hope I wasn't as bad as all this. I know things didn't go very smoothly when i was on the board and thats why i left. I was concidering rejoining the club but after reading this thats definately not going to happen.
I know many other players who feel the same, so the board members might want to pretend to get along both on this forum and on the course. just my two cents, i would love to see this club have a good reputation.:chinscratch:

YOU DO NOTICE THAT THE man who started this post HAS HAD NOTHING TO SAY SINCE HE MADE HIS FIRST COMMENT.seems like he just wanted to start a fight so he can just sit around an watch . does this seem like how a ( club steward) board member should act ? seems kinda of childish and petty way for our PRESIDENT to get his point across... HEY JEFF YOU STATRED THIS POST ARE YOU GOING EVER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS POSTED HERE OR ARE YOU GOING RUN AND HIDE AND MAKE SOME OTHER WHINNY POST THAT SHOWS HOW PETTY YOU SOUND GROW UP AND DEAL WITH LIFE NOT EVERYONE THINKS YOU ARE AS GREAT AS YOU THINK YOUR SELF TO BE ...:explode::explode::explode::explode::explode::e xplode:

Timber
January 10th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Enough already. This thread is no longer serving any purpose except to make the SDGA look bad.

Closed.