Basket tagging is vandalism...

[snap7times]

arghhhhhhh.. I was playing a round and doing some simple work around the Jerry Miller DGC @ Camp Taloali and get to fairway 8 to see the tree in front of the tee had been knocked down, now I can't point fingers and only ask the caretakers to see if they can put it back up. Now here came the annoying and frustrating part, I get up to hole 10 basket and notice something on the new orange stickers I had just put on baskets 5-18 less than 2 weeks ago. Someone had tagged their ace on number 10 yesterday on the basket! Whoever is named "PD21B", good for you on your ace, but do you sign every woman you go to bed with? NOOO, sign your disc, your dic#, whatever is YOURS, but dont sign every partner you been with, if we all did that, half our population would be covered by tagging... It costs us time and money to maintain and improve the course, and people knocking over trees and tagging our baskets make it worse.

[sillybizz]

Although if you tagged every person you were with sexually, it would make it easier to tell who is a slut.

[jshrack]

I kinda always wondered why there isn't a place on the basket MADE FOR signing aces...

It seems like inside the rim, on the number plate, or some other place COULD easily be adapted for just this purpose but people just complain about the process instead. Aces are a wonderful part of our sport and I feel players SHOULD have a place to be recognized for their accomplishments, on the course.

I find that the tags provide personality to the hole.
It's nice to see that a hole that has 2 aces in 2 years... It does get overwhelming on the holes that get aced every week and tagged every week, though.

Harder holes would be one way to curb the practice. :biggrin2:

[Kris C]

I agree with jshrack. I like seeing aces INSIDE the rim, small initials with the date. I hate looking down the fairway and seeing peoples tags all over the outside though.

[snap7times]

that only works on the yellow bands of a innova basket... most baskets are dga or chingstars which have no where for this except on the pole. Just think of it this way, when ESPN starts videotaping the sport, do we want to see our superstars putting at baskets that have black markings all over it? Imagine if golfers did this on their flagpoles and their cups... This is why we sign the disc, so we can show everyone our discs... and sillybizz, if it were that easy ehh...

[SPIDER-DAN]

Seriously......tagging the basket? What? That is so super gay.

I dont even like tagging my discs.........never did. I have had a few tagged and i personally think it looks like shit. Of course, just a personal view......that is what these forums are for.....right?

[cefire]

Agreed, except substitute "not cool" for "gay" please!

It looks like garbage and graffetti to everyone else who doesn't play and to many who do play. Seems like a straightforward topic to those who aren't obsessed with marking down their "accomplishments" on public property.

[ChainBanger]

I like Graffiti in the right place... and that's not baskets or tee pads. Go tag a train with your accomplishment. Just make it artistic.

[sillybizz]

Agreed, except substitute "not cool" for "gay" please!

It looks like garbage and graffetti to everyone else who doesn't play and to many who do play. Seems like a straightforward topic to those who aren't obsessed with marking down their "accomplishments" on public property.

What Andrew said, completely.

I did see at Fredrickson DGC in Poulsbo that they had a board on their kiosk for the sole purpose of aces and you see lots of them on those boards and none on the baskets.

[snap7times]

tree got put back up, going to put some stuff to protect those trees on 7 and 8 soon and putting new stickers on hole 10, thanks to "pd21b"... ;) Hope those who played the course with the new 4 alt pins enjoyed the new changes and are excited for the new changes to come...

[The Ombudsman]

I kinda always wondered why there isn't a place on the basket MADE FOR signing aces...

It seems like inside the rim, on the number plate, or some other place COULD easily be adapted for just this purpose but people just complain about the process instead. Aces are a wonderful part of our sport and I feel players SHOULD have a place to be recognized for their accomplishments, on the course.

I find that the tags provide personality to the hole.
It's nice to see that a hole that has 2 aces in 2 years... It does get overwhelming on the holes that get aced every week and tagged every week, though.

Harder holes would be one way to curb the practice. :biggrin2:

You give a great argument why signing baskets is an asinine practice.

[The Ombudsman]

I agree with jshrack. I like seeing aces INSIDE the rim, small initials with the date. I hate looking down the fairway and seeing peoples tags all over the outside though.

You guys are part of the problem.

[Kris C]

It's only a problem if you disagree. When it's inside the rim, only players will see it and then it's personal preference whether or not you like it or don't. Outside the rim or on the pole looks tacky, IMHO.

[JMan]

and anyone who really matters is probably in the group anyway, it's just bad manners
'J'

[sillybizz]

It's only a problem if you disagree. When it's inside the rim, only players will see it and then it's personal preference whether or not you like it or don't. Outside the rim or on the pole looks tacky, IMHO.

It's still vandalism. Saying it's OK on the inside of the rim is like saying it's OK to gang tag on abandoned buildings because no one will see it but it's still wrong and still has to be cleaned up.

[Kris C]

Maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but the definition of vandalism is: "Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property." Tagging for an ace doesn't destroy anything, public or private. I don't want to see gang signs or anything else, but getting an ace is a huge deal in our sport, and I like to see others successes. I never said it was OK, I simply stated that it doesn't bother me if it's on the inside rim.

[Adam Schneider]

Maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but the definition of vandalism is: "Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property." Tagging for an ace doesn't destroy anything, public or private.
So writing on other people's stuff isn't vandalism? Tell that to the cops when they catch you using a sharpie on a bus bench; see what they think.

[jshrack]

I think you miss my point.
There are options to be had.
Rather than complaining about the problem...
you can be part of the solution.
:yay:

[snap7times]

Solution is sign the disc, not the basket. As for the "inside the rim", that only works on Innova baskets, which are not the majority of baskets out there. And the baskets were put in by hard working people who most of the time do not like it, I put hundreds of hours into the course and have another 100 planned, don't do it! I'll be out there tomorrow replacing the tagged stickers tomorrow and looking for some reported lost discs.

[jshrack]

and you continue to complain... :slapface:

[Adam Schneider]

We will all continue to complain until you agree to stop defacing other people's property. Deface your own damn discs, or buy some baskets and put them on your land and write on them all you want.

[jshrack]

:yay:

[Scott]

Tagging a basket after an ace is vandalism, pure and simple.

Now, as for the a-hole that tagged the basket because he got a "turkey".....:headbang:

[Joshua Olmsted]

You know, this might be the 10th time I've seen and read the exact same arguments in the exact same thread. I guess I don't fully grasp the degree to which people get worked up. Have I ever written on any object on a DG course, no, when I FINALLY get my dang first ace, I certainly won't sign the basket, but I think were better served frying some of the bigger fish in the vandalism pool, or at least thinking of creative solutions. Seeing trash, destruction of vegetation, tagging over tee sign info or info kiosks gets me a lot more aggravated. I'll even (gasp!) admit that I've seen a few holes with an ace tag where I said to myself "I'm glad to know that some amazingly big-armed golfer actually nailed that hole." The idea of a designated place to write down aces sounds cool, that might actually discourage basket tagging, because I'm positive that most of the perpetrators don't read this forum and have no real connection to the DG community.

Though tis' true that turkey tagging is trivial and tacky.

[Eric Olson]

Marking a basket is pretty tacky, regardless of the reasoning. I do not care either which way about your ace, nor do most people.

[D.L.]

Enough of the Ethnic hate speech Sillybiz. Some of our ancestors sacked Rome, and it needed it!

Please use 'the V word'. :pirate::laughing::laughing:

[Ol' Bob]

The Vandals get more credit than they deserve, for not having closed the deal in Rome.

Get you a can of Tag-Be-Gone and carry it in your bag.
http://www.rustoleum.com/cbgimages/products/SRCgcCldSpL.jpg

[jshrack]

I did see at Fredrickson DGC in Poulsbo that they had a board on their kiosk for the sole purpose of aces and you see lots of them on those boards and none on the baskets.

Sounds like a reasonable solution without all the bitching...

[rbescape]

Hmmm... The limited number of courses I've played, so far, made me feel like it's just s.o.p. to tag the pole(sticker) after an ace. I did for my 1st one, and I've always kind of enjoyed seeing someone had aced a specific hole. I didn't realize it is frowned upon... and seems a little petty in the whole scheme of things... there is no malicious intent when signing an ace. That being said... I'll maybe not do it in the future.

[Ol' Bob]

Trouble is, the next guy to do it might think he's John Hancock, and then see where it goes.

It's just ego, ain't it?

[D.L.]

Hmmm... The limited number of courses I've played, so far, made me feel like it's just s.o.p. to tag the pole(sticker) after an ace. I did for my 1st one, and I've always kind of enjoyed seeing someone had aced a specific hole. I didn't realize it is frowned upon... and seems a little petty in the whole scheme of things... there is no malicious intent when signing an ace. That being said... I'll maybe not do it in the future.

THIS is a first class first poast. :trophy::trophy::trophy: Well done sir. :cheers:

[JMan]

bad manners are bad manners...
go stroke your ego in the privacy of your own home :wink2: :whistler:

[Sam]

but do you sign every woman you go to bed with?

Oh... is this frowned upon then?

[whalekillah]

Sounds like everyone could find a lot better issues to bitch about. I don't sign baskets or poles when I hit an ace, but if someone does in my presence I don't give them the disapproving finger shake either.:nono:

[KenGilmore]

Get an ace? Then "tag" your disc and/or the ace thread on this forum. Don't vandalize other people's property.

And saying that there are bigger issues to worry about is the lamest excuse to avoid dealing with this issue.

[The Ombudsman]

THIS is a first class first post. :trophy::trophy::trophy: Well done sir. :cheers:

Absolutely a great post, rbescape. I myself used to be a vandal, back in the days when I first began playing in 1975. I too have seen the error of my ways.

Our grafitti has stood the test of time and can be seen to this day.

When we would finish playing a round at Ridgecrest Middle School (par 72 back then), we would find an old pencil stub and write the scores on the flagpole (which also happened to be the 9th and 18th hole).

These scores are from 1975 - 1976. This photo was taken last year.

TK= Terry Killilea
MG= Yours Truly
TW= Timmy Winiarski
GM= Garth Miller

http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=658&stc=1&d=1287273313

[jshrack]

Our club just had a meeting last month and decided this was NOT a priority to deal with on our courses. Currently, it is a waste of effort that could be put into much more productive work.

There are major changes which will make this sport better and more accessible to our communities. Putting in the time and effort to make these changes on the course shows that you are willing to invest in the sport.

Bitching about how other people are ruining your fun by putting their initials on a basket is petty. 'Be the change you want to see in the world.' I personally think that abundant litter, and public drunkenness will taint our sport more than a couple initials on the pin... You don't see me starting a thread to bitch. Pick your battles and help people find a better way.

We are gonna disagree on this topic,that is part of life.
The question is: what will you do about it? :yawn:

[jshrack]

I would also like to note how awesome that pic is. :bowing:
It has been there for 35 years and nobody has had issue with it.
We are still growing and we can find reasonable solutions to these problems.
I hope we never get as stuffy as our ball counterparts though.

[sillybizz]

Don't ever let me catch you signing a basket is all I can say. You WILL get an ear full.

[cefire]

The question is: what will you do about it? :yawn:

Not tag baskets, what are you going to do about it?

[The Ombudsman]

I would also like to note how awesome that pic is. :bowing:
It has been there for 35 years and nobody has had issue with it.
We are still growing and we can find reasonable solutions to these problems.
I hope we never get as stuffy as our ball counterparts though.

I am trying very hard to refrain from calling you a MORON.

My point was that 35 years ago when I was a careless teenager I did these things. I have since given up this type of behavior.
How do you know that nobody has had an issue with it?

I would think that nobody has noticed it. Or they are too lazy to clean it up. Also, we did it in pencil, not with a sharpie.

[Ol' Bob]

...what will you do about it?http://www.rustoleum.com/cbgimages/products/SRCgcCldSpL.jpg
Tag-Be-Gone?

[snap7times]

Our club just had a meeting last month and decided this was NOT a priority to deal with on our courses. Currently, it is a waste of effort that could be put into much more productive work.

There are major changes which will make this sport better and more accessible to our communities. Putting in the time and effort to make these changes on the course shows that you are willing to invest in the sport.

Bitching about how other people are ruining your fun by putting their initials on a basket is petty. 'Be the change you want to see in the world.' I personally think that abundant litter, and public drunkenness will taint our sport more than a couple initials on the pin... You don't see me starting a thread to bitch. Pick your battles and help people find a better way.

We are gonna disagree on this topic,that is part of life.
The question is: what will you do about it? :yawn:

Funny thing is you sound just like a guy I know, and I am always proving him to think different, the right way... waste of effort? how hard is it to spread the word "do not tag baskets, tag your discs", hmm took me about 3 seconds to say it and 5 to type it?
I am not bishing cuz someone is ruining my fun, i'm bishing cuz I put the dang course in and just put the orange stickers on less than 2 weeks ago and someone already is writing on these brand new orange stickers that I had to work my butt off to fund raise to pay for!!! Once we let it happen, it will spiral out of control with all kinds of bs tags...
I put out 3 new garbage cans on the course today, 2 for trash and 1 for recycles on holes 8 and 15... I know I am a small minority of people who actually pick up trash as I play, but by setting an example and encouraging others to do the same, the trend will continue to spread, same as telling people about what to sign.
There are no "battles", just do everything as right as can be and spread the word on what is right and wrong and problems go down ALOT, instead of not telling them and letting the problem continue. As for aces, once we get our kiosk up, we will definitely have a place on there for Aces...

[Nichola]

Those who tagged the baskets at Camp Taloali are not good example to the kids! :nono:

[Joshua Olmsted]

I’ve seen this thread before but the ignorance
displayed on this one is amazing. Jshrack, you said your club had a meeting and decided to take no action. That’s easy, not tagging is the easiest thing to do. Have you tried the most simple solution of asking your club members to stop tagging? It would take as long as it took you to read this.


I like how when an opinion falls in the majority within a "forum" it's seen as right and anyone else who holds another view is call "ignorant" or other less than pleasant names, what if at this club meeting the majority of club members really don't mind seeing ace tags on basket poles? Perhaps that course has serious graffitti problems that have nothing to do with aces on baskets (it's not like their approving gang tags on the course). Who are you to say that the opinion of that group MUST be wrong. Again, he worded it as it was simply not a high priority for their group, not that they were advising their members to go out and tag their aces. At a lot of courses, there are simply bigger fish to fry when it comes to course management and improvement.

Again I am not condoning basket tagging, I just like discussion spaces where people aren't put down as individuals for their views.

[sillybizz]

I just like discussion spaces where people aren't put down as individuals for their views.

This isn't an Innova vs. Discraft or Roc vs. Buzzz discussion! This person is saying it's alright to destroy other people's property! So if I came on here and said it's alright to litter or break tee signs on the disc golf course you would defend me because you don't want my view as an individual to be frowned upon? That is ridiculous and you should know that! IT'S THE SAME THING!!!! How do you not understand that it COSTS TIME AND MONEY to undue the damage from people who have to put their 'accomplishment' on the baskets?!?!?! :angry:

[Ol' Bob]

I hate to see legality brought into it. Too many laws are about the powerful having the right to bully the weak. We should find our motivations outside and before the laws, not in a fear of getting busted. This particular practice of tagging comes down to respect, and respect is what is being asked for. Over four decades ago, I traveled the Far East on my Uncle Sam's submarine. I swear, at nearly every place I went, no matter how sacred the site, someone had been there before me and carved, "TEXAS" into the woodwork. Makes you proud, don't it?

[Joshua Olmsted]

<chuckle>

Neither of you are getting the point of my argument, or jshrack's for that matter. The first point Silly, is that putting your initials down and breaking a tee sign are not the same thing, and on a lot of courses there are merely bigger issues to deal with. In no way did I say that I approve or wish to encourage basket tagging, I'm simply pointing out that I'm not "wrong" for having a different reaction to the issue than you do. I'm saying that people within a discussion space shouldn't be vilified if they don't come to the exact same conclusion of everyone else. Would you say that the mere fact that when I see a person's initials on a basket this doesn't really upset me makes me a bad person? I'm not saying that you shouldn't have that reaction, I'm simply saying that you shouldn't expect everyone to have the same reaction or come to the same conclusions. I find it interesting that the mere fact that jshrack's group doesn't see a large priority in removing/fighting against basket tagging causes some people to immediately assume they're a bad group, or a "little gang" as you put it E. Who knows? maybe they do other good work at whatever their home course is, perhaps picking up litter, all he stated was what they felt was NOT a big priority. Why reach assumptions that don't necessarily need to be reached.

[sillybizz]

I find that the tags provide personality to the hole.

What I heard was: "I condone vandalism"

[sillybizz]

Don't ever let me catch you signing a basket is all I can say. You WILL get an ear full.

Like I said.

[Ol' Bob]

As der Vice Coursenführer here, tagging is verbotten. If you want to modify this course in any way, you must go through the proper channels. That makes it pretty easy. I have me a can of Tag-Be-Gone, but so far, I've only used it for rust. No one has ever tagged any basket here. I guess most folks see it would be like going into someone's home and carving their mark into the mantle piece. This is my house. Public parks are everyone's house. Nobody has their own private room (basket) in that house.

I notice that no one signs their name to bathroom graffiti. Gang tagging is supposed to be about turf and respect. It ain't really about respect. Respect is something that must be earned. What that tagging is about is obeisance/deference. It comes down to the same old 'look at me' thang. Is it a continuum from "I got an ace here," to, "bow and worship me?" Could be. A celebration is fine. But you wouldn't want to do it at someone else's expense or discomfort (unless that's just they way you're wired). But maybe we just don't know who we're dealing with here. The motivation to not do it should rest in reflection and understanding the motivations. Consideration of self should generate consideration for others.

[jshrack]

The reason our club chose not to do anything about the tagging was partly due to this new development (http://i.imgur.com/6nCeX.jpg).

This is also vandalism. It was done in the middle of the night and our club appreciates the work somebody did to cover an ugly wall.

We decided that graffiti is graffiti... Our club really likes this 'vandalism' on our course and how it has added personality. We figured if we started covering basket graffiti it would necessitate coving this beautiful graffiti. Some people like it, others don't.

Some people like disc golf, some people think it ruins a perfectly good natural setting. This destruction of a natural park setting could easily be construed as vandalism as well. Please take into account that different people have different opinions and have the right to voice them without being ostracized.

Pick your battles... and how to fight them.
You have created a rift where there could be a reasonable solution.
I have suggested possible solutions for discussion.
You have stated that yours is the ONLY solution, I must agree or be attacked.
Which one sounds like the community you want to be part of?

[E Smith]

i like the "new development", very cool.

[jshrack]

Thank you Josh, for understanding that I am acting as devils advocate here.
I really get sick of the majority thinking that their way is the ONLY way.
We all have the right to voice an opinion without being personally attacked.

I will try to re-state what Bob said with some historical context:
Speak softly and carry a big can of rust-oleum.

[Ol' Bob]

There is definitely going to be an eye-of-the-beholder thing there with the wall.

[Kris C]

There is definitely going to be an eye-of-the-beholder thing there with the wall.

The same thing can be said of aces tagged on a basket. Personally, I don't like the wall, but it looks better than some gang sign.

[Sean Johnson]

The reason our club chose not to do anything about the tagging was partly due to this new development (http://i.imgur.com/6nCeX.jpg).

This is also vandalism. It was done in the middle of the night and our club appreciates the work somebody did to cover an ugly wall.

We decided that graffiti is graffiti... Our club really likes this 'vandalism' on our course and how it has added personality. We figured if we started covering basket graffiti it would necessitate coving this beautiful graffiti. Some people like it, others don't.

Some people like disc golf, some people think it ruins a perfectly good natural setting. This destruction of a natural park setting could easily be construed as vandalism as well. Please take into account that different people have different opinions and have the right to voice them without being ostracized.

Pick your battles... and how to fight them.
You have created a rift where there could be a reasonable solution.
I have suggested possible solutions for discussion.
You have stated that yours is the ONLY solution, I must agree or be attacked.
Which one sounds like the community you want to be part of?

While I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation of that meeting, I took things a little differently. The main topic was that people went out and spray painted some of our baskets (chains included) horrid colors, apparently in an attempt to help visibility. The message that I got from some members was that they just didn't care enough to go out and fix them. The logic was that people are going to continue to vandalize, so we might as well not put in the effort. :slapface: Not everyone shared that mentality, and some people wanted to leave them because they legitimately thought that the course would be better served with the increased visibility. I personally was stunned that anyone would be cool with someone spray painting the top half of a basket safety orange for any reason.

While I'm not as passionate as some about the topic of signing baskets, I would never sign a basket for any reason. There is no question that it is vandalism, it just has some mitigating factors that make it a little better than run of the mill graffiti. And seriously people- there is no need to get heated or insult people to make your point. It simply degrades and distracts from the topic at hand. On the topic of the wall- I really like it and think that it's an improvement, but I don't like the idea of people doing whatever they want to the course when no one is looking.

[The Ombudsman]

The wall is an eyesore. Nicer than before? Maybe.
Should the graffiti remain? Absolutely not.
The line needs to be drawn right here.

The opportunity here is to remove the grafitti and get a local artist to do a mural that has been pre approved by your club. This will make your club stronger in the long run. You are only being lazy if you leave it there. What the taggers have done is show you that the wall can look better than it did. It can still look even better than it does now. Leaving it there gives tacit approval to continue this type of vandalism.

[jshrack]

I figured the tagging and spray painting were lumped together when they were voted on as the same issue. The club voted to leave the baskets as is and add a number tag to increase visibility. The back of that number place could be a great place for an ace list? Heck, each tee sign could have an ACE LIST built into it.

I do agree that the tagging should be curtailed.
I think there are a lot of constructive ways to mitigate the process.
I don't agree with the methods that are being used.

[snap7times]

Alright, first of all, I am not understanding why a club can't address all the issues that come up instead of having to choose between them? Delegate the responsibilities to whoever wants or is willing to do this and that. Now if the club's majority thinks signing baskets with aces is a cool thing to do, make sure they know its not accepted at 90-95 percent of the courses out there if not more, and only a few are ok with it; that would seem like the right thing to do, which is what we are discussing, to make sure that we know it is not accepted at most courses and to simply tell others that fact.
But at the same time, the reason for the strong approach of some, is that the issue of tagging, writing or whatever on baskets is illegal, regardless of views of the course caretakers, but doubt the police will ever get involved *hope not*.
I'm curious, how many of the people on here that are hard-pressed against signing baskets are people that helped put baskets into the ground somewhere versus the people who helped put baskets into the ground and think that signing baskets is not frowned upon but probably wouldn't do it themselves? Hope I worded that right... Like I put a whole course in and helped a couple others as well and I have strong opinions on basket tagging and littering; just curious if the opinion is mixed among disc golfers or it's more common in those who work on courses versus those who just play?
While I think that wall art job looks tasteful, sadly illegal, I am not seeing how this relates to the course basket discussion, but that's just me.

As for some people spray painting the baskets, I'm surprised, was the orange stickers not enough? they are included when you get the baskets and easily purchased through DGA or at the local hardware store, DGA provides the clear stickers to go over the orange stickers to make sure the orange stickers last a long time. There will always be at least that one person that has the heart who cares and will do the job, and effort is effort, no one knows what will happen until the work is done. But if it's liked, then i guess no effort is needed.

[E Smith]

I figured the tagging and spray painting were lumped together when they were voted on as the same issue. The club voted to leave the baskets as is and add a number tag to increase visibility. The back of that number place could be a great place for an ace list? Heck, each tee sign could have an ACE LIST built into it.

I do agree that the tagging should be curtailed.
I think there are a lot of constructive ways to mitigate the process.
I don't agree with the methods that are being used.

Approved or not I like the wall. Someone said to themselves “I can make this look better”. How the parks department decides to handle it is up to them. I also like the idea of an ace list on the Tee sign.

[Sean Johnson]

The wall relates to the discussion because we are on the topic of what I would call well-intentioned tagging. All of the topics that I brought up deal with people who either think that they are making the course better (wall tagging/basket painting), or think that their signature is a well earned exception to the rule. With that being said, I'm not trying to drift off topic or start trouble or anything. :whistler:

To answer your question about how time spent working on a course affects a person's opinion: For me personally, I got my first ace well before I ever lifted a finger on my local course and I still chose not to sign the basket. However, I see where you're going with this, and I hope that some other people will respond because I'm curious to see some answers also.

[jshrack]

I was listening to a talk about behavioral economics on NPR tonight.
Rather than telling people what to do, they suggest you present choices in a self realizing manner.
The funny example the brought up was the fly in the toilet (http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2008/ToiletFly.htm)
Rather than getting all frustrated about the lack of respect they presented an option that addressed their concerns in a mitigated way.

They were discussing the book Nudge (http://www.amazon.com/Nudge-Improving-Decisions-Health-Happiness/dp/0300122233) with the author.

[Ol' Bob]

I've been making Chainstars more visible this way. I've discovered that regular wooden closet rod stock (available at any lumber yard) is the right diameter to slip inside the pipe the basket is made from. You can drill a hole through it to let the basket top bolt go through and hold it. Then I paint a piece of 1&1/4 inch, schedule 40, PVC pipe fluorescent orange and slip that over the piece of wood. I also drill some of those wooden dowels to accept a fiberglass flag stick.

I actually painted the top of a basket fluorescent orange once, but it looked pretty tacky, and I was told about it too.

[Subruise]

I've been making Chainstars more visible this way. I've discovered that regular wooden closet rod stock (available at any lumber yard) is the right diameter to slip inside the pipe the basket is made from. You can drill a hole through it to let the basket top bolt go through and hold it. Then I paint a piece of 1&1/4 inch, schedule 40, PVC pipe fluorescent orange and slip that over the piece of wood. I also drill some of those wooden dowels to accept a fiberglass flag stick.

I actually painted the top of a basket fluorescent orange once, but it looked pretty tacky, and I was told about it too.

way to go bob, sorry i couldnt make it to the fern earner but my dad and his GF(Rich/Jen) did. the way i see it: you got an ace, sweet so have 1000000 other people. get over yourself. this thread has gotten way too long for such an obvious thing. nobody is going to read the basket and be all"wow this guy is a bad mofo he aced a 250 ft hole"

Rob V

[jshrack]

Why shouldn't we have an option to celebrate our accomplishments with the people we share our space with? Why shouldn't that new golfer feel a sense of belonging when they get their first ace? I think a lot of golfers are growing jaded to the beginners while dealing with the growing pains of our sport. We are getting bigger and we can mitigate these issues with proper guidance and fewer criticisms.

My suggestions have been ignored by the majority who have posted.
Why would you expect anything different from your commands?
Your admonishments become moot when disjunct from any real conversation.

[Adam Schneider]

Why shouldn't we have an option to celebrate our accomplishments with the people we share our space with?
Because you don't just share that space with your friends... you share it with a lot of people, including non-disc-golfers, who would prefer to see NON-vandalized baskets.

When you get your own private course, do whatever you want.

[T-Bird]

Unless you own it or have the permission of who does own it you should not write on it.
Regardless of your desire to celebrate in an inappropriate matter.
Express your ego on your own property.
There is no valid, logical, or reasonable argument for vandalism.

[Burge]

Because you don't just share that space with your friends... you share it with a lot of people, including non-disc-golfers, who would prefer to see NON-vandalized baskets.

When you get your own private course, do whatever you want.

Our club's (SDGA) two courses (soon to be four) are on Park&Rec properties that are mainly trapessed about upon by disc golfers. That's why they allowed these courses to go in: the areas had low usage. Besides, I find it hard to believe that any "non-disc golfer" would give a rat's patootie what's on a disc golf basket or even walk up close enough to one to find out. I know that a lot of courses are in more multi-use settings, but still, the ones I've found while passing through a town have ace tags on them.

Jshrack stated a long time ago that our club has chosen, at this time, to forgo re-painting our DisCatcher baskets for other specific reasons (tacky DIY psycho-freakshow fluorescent BS:rolleyes2:) besides ace tagging. We would rather keep the benches and tee signs, which some club members put a lot of effort into, free from the actual gang tagging and other typical loser scribble (honestly, people, just buy a freaking skectchbook).

Obviously, you have your priorities. What really escapes me, is that justin is trying to present another point of view and possible alternatives, yet there are these vehement responses as if he said he was tagging your baskets.

Chill people..it's called a discussion.

[jshrack]

I consistently bring up alternatives to tagging the baskets.
I agree with your opinion about tagging baskets yet not your methods.
We can help people make better choices rather than dehumanizing them for their actions.

I think we can ALL get our way if we choose to work together.

Your opinion seems to be that we can NOT work together unless everybody agrees with you 100%. I find this perspective ironic considering you are telling people to change their actions yet you will not even consider the same.

[KenGilmore]

Overly dramatic much?

[luckylaurent]

I haven't gotten an ace yet, so I have no opinion on this subject. :slapface:

[E Smith]

I consistently bring up alternatives to tagging the baskets.
I agree with your opinion about tagging baskets yet not your methods.
We can help people make better choices rather than dehumanizing them for their actions.

I think we can ALL get our way if we choose to work together.

Your opinion seems to be that we can NOT work together unless everybody agrees with you 100%. I find this perspective ironic considering you are telling people to change their actions yet you will not even consider the same.

Ok,ok we get it. We hurt your feelings and I guess we should keep OUR opinions to ourselves. :bowing:

I think you can stop playing the victim now. :waaah:

This thread has pretty much run its course. :yawn:

[Ol' Bob]

...pretty much run its course.Should it be moved to "New Courses?"

[snap7times]

I swear ol' bob spends 3 hours a day thinking of suprememly clever things to say...

[mrDROCK]

I swear ol' bob spends 3 hours a day thinking of suprememly clever things to say...

Yes, he must lay in wait for the proper post to come up and then he STRIKES! Just in time to make us laugh a little and hopefully give up the fight.

[JMan]

I love how those who beleive that basket tagging in any form is wrong are then tagged as not being open to anything. Personally, I have no problem with having a place for folks to spout about getting an ace; maybe a website fourm could set up a page for this. That way the said brag would be targeted at a large population of people who held the same interest...just a thought. :slapface: :whistler: :chinscratch:

[sillybizz]

I love how those who beleive that basket tagging in any form is wrong are then tagged as not being open to anything. Personally, I have no problem with having a place for folks to spout about getting an ace; maybe a website fourm could set up a page for this. That way the said brag would be targeted at a large population of people who held the same interest...just a thought. :slapface: :whistler: :chinscratch:

You can tag this web page all you want, it's already an eyesore! ;)

[Ol' Bob]

I swear ol' bob spends 3 hours a day thinking of supremely clever things to say...

Not much time put into it at all (weather depending). My nutty lysdexic brain shoots puns from the hip. I have little or no control over it. I also will use stolen jokes any time I can.

[hyzerbomb]

I've had over a hundred and fifty aces , mostly on shorter holes in my 33 years playing this great sport. I have yet to mark any basket in any way. I have written the ace details on certain discs at times, but only the more incredible shots such as the right original hole 6 location at Westmoreland park before they changed the tee when the bike bridge went in. It was the only ace ever on that layout. It happened the day I met this nice guy called Roller Bob who witnessed it. Point is that you don't need to vandalize stuff to appreciate something. I like the idea used at Cottage Grove with an ace pole on hole 1 where all aces on the course are listed .

[Ol' Bob]

I have two basket aces, a tone pole ace, and an object hole ace. The tone pole was not an official hole (though it's still there and no one else has hit it). The object hole (the original Mud 16) was replaced soon after with a basket and new hole layout. I have one here at Mud (hole 20), when it was a tire basket. One that got special notice was hole three at Skyline (also a tire basket). The course was a few years old, and I was on the chalk board in the clubhouse as the first Skyline ace. That one meant a lot to me, and I liked having that special recognition. Now the course has changed hands and the baskets pulled out. I'm betting they also erased the chalkboard. Glory can be a fleeting thing.

[emmarose]

...i grew up playing backwoods country disc golf on a beautiful piece of property on 3/4 inch copper pins... i've had more aces than i can remember on those pins... in my world, we don't sign discs or tag the pins... when someone gets an ace, we all holler, "the king is dead, long live the king!!!" and jump around whooping it up and high fiving our brains out... the getter of the ace yells, "i'm king of the wooooooorrrllld!!!" and then we go about our business... whoever is king of the world tees off first for the next round and so it goes...

... when my dad got his first ace on a basket last year, i did sign his disc... but it was awkward... like, "well... i guess i'm s'posed to sign your disc now... ummmm... go dad!"

... anyway, i know that may be a pointless little story for some of y'all... but i'm just sayin'... yes, aces are awesome, but i don't get the signing thing... whether it's a disc or a basket...

peace,
em

[LakeStevensBA]

I almost had an ace last year but a casual park walker stepped in front of the basket at the last second and my disc hit his stomach instead. He was a little upset when I demanded he remove his shirt so I can sign his belly. Luckily I had a few people in my group willing to hold him down while I signed and dated his beer gut. Hell...it would have been an ace if he watched where he was going. I also explained to him that sharpies do fade over time and to not be such a baby about it.

[Tim]

I hope you warned him not to stand in front of any more baskets, lest people start thinking he's a slut.

[JR Stengele]

I almost had an ace last year but a casual park walker stepped in front of the basket at the last second and my disc hit his stomach instead. He was a little upset when I demanded he remove his shirt so I can sign his belly. Luckily I had a few people in my group willing to hold him down while I signed and dated his beer gut. Hell...it would have been an ace if he watched where he was going. I also explained to him that sharpies do fade over time and to not be such a baby about it.

First off, I tried to move but my feet got in the way.
Second, I am NOT a slut. Please stop with the name calling...it hurts Tim.:waaah:

[Ol' Bob]

I think you all signed an agreement when you registered here to not have any fun.

Tim, as a moderator, I'd think you'd know better and try setting a better example, kinda like Tommy Turbo does.

[overstable, underthrown]

I almost had an ace last year but a casual park walker stepped in front of the basket at the last second and my disc hit his stomach instead. He was a little upset when I demanded he remove his shirt so I can sign his belly. Luckily I had a few people in my group willing to hold him down while I signed and dated his beer gut. Hell...it would have been an ace if he watched where he was going. I also explained to him that sharpies do fade over time and to not be such a baby about it.

:jumpspin::laughing::laughing::laughing::jumpspin: :explode:

[E Smith]

I almost had an ace last year but a casual park walker stepped in front of the basket at the last second and my disc hit his stomach instead. He was a little upset when I demanded he remove his shirt so I can sign his belly. Luckily I had a few people in my group willing to hold him down while I signed and dated his beer gut. Hell...it would have been an ace if he watched where he was going. I also explained to him that sharpies do fade over time and to not be such a baby about it.

If there is a vote for funniest post of the year, the bar has been set pretty high with this one. :trophy:

[Ol' Bob]

I've been making Chainstars more visible this way. I've discovered that regular wooden closet rod stock (available at any lumber yard) is the right diameter to slip inside the pipe the basket is made from. You can drill a hole through it to let the basket top bolt go through and hold it. Then I paint a piece of 1&1/4 inch, schedule 40, PVC pipe fluorescent orange and slip that over the piece of wood. I also drill some of those wooden dowels to accept a fiberglass flag stick.

I just discovered that I have been using schedule 20 PVC. That's the size that fits over the closet rod. I hope this didn't cause a problem for anyone.

[K3VL4R D1SC]

it sounds like both sides have a point here... if it's a place like rockwood where I'm sure every hole has been aced 50 times, you shouldn't be tagging it. but if it's something amazing, rare or especially difficult you should be able to tag it. we should be thinking of this like when you go into a stadium and you might see a baseball bat or hockey stick or basketball, signed by someone who was there that did something amazing.

[KenGilmore]

it sounds like both sides have a point here... if it's a place like rockwood where I'm sure every hole has been aced 50 times, you shouldn't be tagging it. but if it's something amazing, rare or especially difficult you should be able to tag it. we should be thinking of this like when you go into a stadium and you might see a baseball bat or hockey stick or basketball, signed by someone who was there that did something amazing.

Everyone's judgement of what is amazing, rare, or especially difficult is very, very different.

And when does someone's judgement about what is amazing, rare, or especially difficult have anything to do with the fact that it is still always illegal to vandalize property?

[The Ombudsman]

it sounds like both sides have a point here... if it's a place like rockwood where I'm sure every hole has been aced 50 times, you shouldn't be tagging it. but if it's something amazing, rare or especially difficult you should be able to tag it. we should be thinking of this like when you go into a stadium and you might see a baseball bat or hockey stick or basketball, signed by someone who was there that did something amazing.

WRONG!!

Tom Dempsey didn't sign the goalpost when he kicked his 63 yard field goal.

Kirk Gibson didn't sign home plate a Dodger Stadium when he hit his epic world series home run.

Where can I see the backbord with Wilt's signature after he scored his 100 points?

Or the net that Gretzky signed when he broke Gordy Howe's NHL scoring record?

What about an amazing ace on an easy hole?
What if you hit hole 9 at Juel in a blizzard?
What if you ace hole 1 at SeaTac in 34 degree weather on your first throw of the day?
Who is the final arbiter of what is amazing, rare or especially difficult?
The simplest and fairest option for every player on the planet is:
DO NOT TAG THE BASKET UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!

There are many other options available to let the world know that you are 'special'.

Tell your Mama about it.
Brag to your wife and kids about it.
Have witnesses sign the disc, retire it, mount it, frame it and hang it in a very conspicuous location in your home or office so that you get to tell the story ad nauseum to anyone who walks past it.
Write it up in agonizing detail on the appropriate thread in this forum.
Tell your buddies again.
Put it up on the local Kiosk.
Pleasure yourself while basking in your glory and self importance.

But please don't sign the basket!

My buddie Josh aced yesterday on hole 8 at FDR. When he told the puller at the local brewery, the puller filled up Josh's growler gratis!

Thanks!

[Eric Olson]

Pleasure yourself while basking in your glory and self importance.All this time I had no idea getting an ace was a prerequisite for that.

[larsonjeff]

Everyone's judgement of what is amazing, rare, or especially difficult is very, very different.

And when does someone's judgement about what is amazing, rare, or especially difficult have anything to do with the fact that it is still always illegal to vandalize property?

I agree. Do you own it.. no.. well then it is not yours to write on. Move along people.

[tomw]

I agree. Do you own it.. no..
I think that there is a LARGE difference between the AMOUNT of people signing baskets after ACE shots on course in LARGE METROPOLITAN CITY'S AS COMPARED TO smaller towns. In Seattle and Portland , some holes are probably aced on a daily basses. Out in the lesser populated area courses, i.e. less players, less aces, less tagging.
Here in N Idaho 4 of our 5 courses have Innova's yellow banded baskets:yay:. (we own 1/2 the baskets on only 1 course) We ask that people DO NOT sign the baskets, but sign there own discs if need be. If one Must mark their amazing feat on the basket,:chinscratch: INITIAL,( date) THE INSIDE OF THE BANDIT ONLY:chinscratch:. We have cleaned off signature on the outside of the bands once before, and will do it again, im sure of it.:nahnah: IMHO, Personally, first and last initial along the the days date about 1/4 inch in size on the inside of the band or back of the # plate is ok w/ me.
A State park ranger that was involved with the installation of some of our courses thought it was "cool" how when he played a different states courses on a vacation how people would sign the baskets after ace's. He brought that thinking back to his course and thats was one of the reasons he choose the Banbed Innova catchers over mach and other baskets:smash:

[KenGilmore]

A State park ranger that was involved with the installation of some of our courses thought it was "cool" how when he played a different states courses on a vacation how people would sign the baskets after ace's. He brought that thinking back to his course and thats was one of the reasons he choose the Banbed Innova catchers over mach and other baskets:smash:

Ack! Tagging baskets is even worse than I originally thought! It's like a cancer!

[K3VL4R D1SC]

i guess maybe what I'm saying is, someone is there having fun and is stoked about something they did while having fun, it's not like we are talking bad language or gang tags. people need to worry about something else maybe... I dunno, I thought we wanted people to be happy about what they did, ..... and yes there are countless signed somethings for all those hallmarks you mentioned too by the way

[cefire]

people need to worry about something else maybe...

Like keeping a good relationship with parks who allow us to have disc golf courses on their grounds. Wonder how they feel about so and so who got an awesome ace and decided to graffitti up thier park equipment...

[KenGilmore]

i guess maybe what I'm saying is, someone is there having fun and is stoked about something they did while having fun, it's not like we are talking bad language or gang tags. people need to worry about something else maybe... I dunno, I thought we wanted people to be happy about what they did, ..... and yes there are countless signed somethings for all those hallmarks you mentioned too by the way

I'm sorry you can't have fun or be happy without tagging a basket. Life must be hard for you.

[The Ombudsman]

there are countless signed somethings for all those hallmarks you mentioned too by the way

But not permanent fixtures.

[jshrack]

I'm sorry you can't have fun or be happy without tagging a basket. Life must be hard for you.

I'm sorry you can't have fun or be happy when people tag baskets.
Life must be harder for you.

[K3VL4R D1SC]

Like keeping a good relationship with parks who allow us to have disc golf courses on their grounds. Wonder how they feel about so and so who got an awesome ace and decided to graffitti up thier park equipment...

i dunno maybe we should ask the park ranger who opted for baskets that are more friendly for marking...

[K3VL4R D1SC]

I'm sorry you can't have fun or be happy when people tag baskets.
Life must be harder for you.

people get bent out of shape about this. a lot of people like to see that people have aced certain holes...

[K3VL4R D1SC]

But not permanent fixtures.

uh yes, many of them built into some permanent display case, kinda making it a permanent fixture

[KenGilmore]

I'm sorry you can't have fun or be happy when people tag baskets.
Life must be harder for you.

Ooh, +1 for the extra witty retort. I'll come up with one of my own but my 3rd grader has already gone to bed for the night, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to get help with an equally impressive reply.

Come to think of it though, life did used to be harder when it was tough to identify the idiots on the course. It has gotten considerably easier ever since they started signing baskets.

[sillybizz]

Anyone who thinks writing on the baskets doesn't affect anyone, please read post #1 in this thread. Seems like he seems pretty upset about it.

[cefire]

people get bent out of shape about this. a lot of people like to see that people have aced certain holes...

See here: http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55

(and I used a hyperlink!)

[cefire]

A lot of people like to leave trash on the course
A lot of people like to drink in parks where it is illegal
A lot of people like to yell at pedestrians in fairways


Whether you like it or not, it all contributes to our reputation and ability to maintain relationships with the people who make decisions around public facilities.

[Wog]

For those of you that dislike vandalism on baskets (and signs) I would like to recommend something I carry with me in my bag on a regular basis. Rather than complain, I just remove the offending marks with a swipe of this on an old rag. It works best when done within a week or so of the vandalism, but I've had good luck removing some that I didn't get to quickly. I also carry a small piece of sand paper in my bag which comes in handy on some of the other marks which are done on the metal instead of on the decal.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXz3Qys9eptMk4PUGpO_-IP_3wQpkoevqew5Rz7jBBE4_Z67U&t=1&usg=__UFUTKOUHRyDCEfozXnSLOBujaI8=

[snap7times]

Anyone who thinks writing on the baskets doesn't affect anyone, please read post #1 in this thread. Seems like he seems pretty upset about it.

Bingo and I did the work to put this course in the ground and have done more work to the course as well as helping other courses get put into the ground. All I ask is that we dont encourage this by encouraging others not to do it etc. Think of it like this, since Milo has the Yellow bands, what if we all signed our aces and "fairway aces" etc, how would it look on all those BSF videos and would it have an impact on the Pros view of the course since Milo is a favorite of many pros?
Those who are not against the idea and think it's a cool thing to do, it wouldn't be so bad yes if everyone followed the idea of signing it subtle, little, and only when they get a real ace. But we know that will never happen, men's egos are outrageously huge and so will be some of the tags. Some will even be "fairway aces" or even actual "tagging"... Think sno-ball effect.
Keeping the baskets clean and telling everyone to sign the disc, write the story on several forums, take a picture, or even buy the tee sign like I did for my first PDGA ace in Cali where they actually had the old tee signs and offered to sell it to me. A million ways to recognize your ace without signing the basket and more than likely pissing off the very people who put the basket in the ground.
I am not complaining since I took care of the tag and voiced my position at the same time. To complain is to talk and not act, I did both. Thank you and good night.

[Ol' Bob]

...and that's the way it is!

[The Ombudsman]

uh yes, many of them built into some permanent display case, kinda making it a permanent fixture

Great idea!

Why don't you build a display case at your local course and hang your ace discs there?!

Or just friggin start your own DG Hall of Fame!?

Then when you ace, you can just pull the basket ('cause it's going to the hall, baby!!) and memorialize it any way you like as it is enshrined for all posterity!

[The Ombudsman]

Bingo and I did the work to put this course in the ground and have done more work to the course as well as helping other courses get put into the ground. All I ask is that we dont encourage this by encouraging others not to do it etc. Think of it like this, since Milo has the Yellow bands, what if we all signed our aces and "fairway aces" etc, how would it look on all those BSF videos and would it have an impact on the Pros view of the course since Milo is a favorite of many pros?
Those who are not against the idea and think it's a cool thing to do, it wouldn't be so bad yes if everyone followed the idea of signing it subtle, little, and only when they get a real ace. But we know that will never happen, men's egos are outrageously huge and so will be some of the tags. Some will even be "fairway aces" or even actual "tagging"... Think sno-ball effect.
Keeping the baskets clean and telling everyone to sign the disc, write the story on several forums, take a picture, or even buy the tee sign like I did for my first PDGA ace in Cali where they actually had the old tee signs and offered to sell it to me. A million ways to recognize your ace without signing the basket and more than likely pissing off the very people who put the basket in the ground.
I am not complaining since I took care of the tag and voiced my position at the same time. To complain is to talk and not act, I did both. Thank you and good night.

Great post, Snap!

Heaven forbid that I ever become PC, but if you think about it in the PC context, the logical conclusion is that a reasonable person would not sign a basket because of the possibility that it might offend even one person.

Nobody will be offended if you choose not to sign the basket.

[JR Stengele]

Those who must tag...drop the sharpie and pick up a non permanent expo marker that can get erased by someones hand. Then you can feel good about yourself and we can take it away with a swift hand. :jumpspin:

In all seriousness though...don't tag, it looks cheap and tacky.

[mazza]

imo if u really fell the need to sign ur name on something.....sign ur disc not the basket. hell take a pic if u can i would like to see it. look at it this way. if ur course happens to make it on a live streaming web feed. would you want to see your course put its best foot forward?. or would u want to the baskets with all kinds of writing on it?. and your home course where u spend hours apon hours of ur time on lookin like shit?

[The Ombudsman]

Scoreboard Update:

Do Not Taggers: 100 posts

Taggers: 15 posts

Do Not Taggers Win in a landslide!!!!!

[Ol' Bob]

Which side gets noticed more?

[The Ombudsman]

Which side gets noticed more?

Yeah.

[KenGilmore]

Which side gets noticed more?

I guess we all lose. :(

[tomw]

Ack! Tagging baskets is even worse than I originally thought! It's like a cancer!
KG,Some "cancers" are deadly and will KILL YOU. This growth will not
When the powers that be for a specific course, ie the park ranger who purchased the baskets for the course's, liked the idea for HIS course, that is his motive.
Would all the "do not taggers" chastise him (&me)for that? I think the trash and vandalism left behind is a much larger problem. Maybe they go hand in hand?

[E Smith]

KG,Some "cancers" are deadly and will KILL YOU. This growth will not
When the powers that be for a specific course, ie the park ranger who purchased the baskets for the course's, liked the idea for HIS course, that is his motive.
Would all the "do not taggers" chastise him (&me)for that? I think the trash and vandalism left behind is a much larger problem. Maybe they go hand in hand?

Yes, if the park ranger owns the property where the baskets were installed then he can tell people that it is ok to tag. As it was said previously, private property is a different issue.

[Uhlman]

KG,Some "cancers" are deadly and will KILL YOU. This growth will not
When the powers that be for a specific course, ie the park ranger who purchased the baskets for the course's, liked the idea for HIS course, that is his motive.
Would all the "do not taggers" chastise him (&me)for that? I think the trash and vandalism left behind is a much larger problem. Maybe they go hand in hand?

And dog poop... for the love of Pete, please clean up after them.

[The Ombudsman]

The ranger saw some tags and thought it was cool. He obvoiusly does not read this forum. He also needs to be properly educated. Had he had ever used trees as targets, would he want to see initials and dates carved into the trunks?

I do not need to know that 'Kilroy was here'.

I would definitely clean up any tags that I saw on the baskets at his course.

[maccallum]

The ranger saw some tags and thought it was cool. He obvoiusly does not read this forum. He also needs to be properly educated. Had he had ever used trees as targets, would he want to see initials and dates carved into the trunks?

I do not need to know that 'Kilroy was here'.

I would definitely clean up any tags that I saw on the baskets at his course.

I sure am glad there are people in the world willing to take on the task of educating thier fellow man on their misguided ways. I would like to join the crusade, is there a universal rule book or do I just make it up as I go?

If someone used trees for targets do you think people would notice the initials carved into the trunk or the areas where a multitude of discs slammed into it to complete the hole?

Comparing baskets to mother nature doesn't work.

[The Ombudsman]

I sure am glad there are people in the world willing to take on the task of educating thier fellow man on their misguided ways. I would like to join the crusade, is there a universal rule book or do I just make it up as I go?

If someone used trees for targets do you think people would notice the initials carved into the trunk or the areas where a multitude of discs slammed into it to complete the hole?

Comparing baskets to mother nature doesn't work.

Maybe not, but tagging baskets is undeniably WRONG!

[Scott]

When the powers that be for a specific course, ie the park ranger who purchased the baskets for the course's, liked the idea for HIS course, that is his motive.
Would all the "do not taggers" chastise him (&me)for that?
This came up a while ago at a nearby private course. The owner had said he didn't mind if people tagged his baskets. That, of course, is his choice since he owns the baskets. But here's why I don't like even that decision: If a casual player visits the property and sees tagged baskets he may get the idea that it is OK at any course. After hearing this view, the owner agreed to remove the existing grafitti and cease promoting the practice of tagging baskets.

I think the trash and vandalism left behind is a much larger problem. Maybe they go hand in hand?
Yes. Both are a demonstration of a basic lack of respect.

[maccallum]

Maybe not, but tagging baskets is undeniably WRONG!

Yes, that is the concensus here on this forum.

Would you be able to concede that outside our world here there might be another group of people that view it from a different perspective and in that view anti basket signers are wrong? Who is to say who is right and who isn't? I'd be willing to bet both sides would claim that honor.

[T-Bird]

The big difference is this: if the owner condones it then it is no longer vandalism and, therefore, no longer "wrong".

If you do NOT have permission then it IS vandalism and, therefore, by definition "wrong".

[KenGilmore]

KG,Some "cancers" are deadly and will KILL YOU. This growth will not


Well, of course not. That would be silly.

I was merely suggesting that it behaves like cancer. It starts small and isolated and then metastasizes in far-reaching ways.

Who would have thought that that a park ranger would not only passively promote basket signing, but specifically buy those yellow-banded chastity-belt baskets just for said purpose! It's like committing two sins at once!

[The Ombudsman]

Yes, that is the concensus here on this forum.

Would you be able to concede that outside our world here there might be another group of people that view it from a different perspective and in that view anti basket signers are wrong? Who is to say who is right and who isn't? I'd be willing to bet both sides would claim that honor.

No I would not. As I posted earlier I truly believe that nobody will be offended if people choose not to sign baskets.

[maccallum]

No I would not. As I posted earlier I truly believe that nobody will be offended if people choose not to sign baskets.

I agree. However, that was not my point.

[LakeStevensBA]

After hearing people try to justify that's it's ok to write their names on baskets, I had to make a revision to the disc golf dictionary.

Acehole (ace-hole) - noun

1. A person who constantly admonishes others regarding their hole in ones.

example: "Little Johnnie got his first hole in one during a practice round before a tournament, but some acehole approached and told him it didn't count"

2. An unsecure disc golfer who feels people will think highly of him when they see his name written with a permanent marker on a beautiful clean basket after a hole in one.

example: "Big Johnnie got another ace at the local course he plays twice a day. Instead of signing his disc, taking a picture of the disc in the basket, or calling his friends to brag, he felt it was a good idea to tag the beautiful basket with his name and date so everyone who plays that hole in the future will think he is god-like. Big Johnnie is an Acehole.....

[sillybizz]

After hearing people try to justify that's it's ok to write their names on baskets, I had to make a revision to the disc golf dictionary.

Acehole (ace-hole) - noun

1. A person who constantly admonishes others regarding their hole in ones.

example: "Little Johnnie got his first hole in one during a practice round before a tournament, but some acehole approached and told him it didn't count"

2. An unsecure disc golfer who feels people will think highly of him when they see his name written with a permanent marker on a beautiful clean basket after a hole in one.

example: "Big Johnnie got another ace at the local course he plays twice a day. Instead of signing his disc, taking a picture of the disc in the basket, or calling his friends to brag, he felt it was a good idea to tag the beautiful basket with his name and date so everyone who plays that hole in the future will think he is god-like. Big Johnnie is an Acehole.....

Hey Big Johnnie didn't tag the basket when he was the first to get an ace at Silver Lake! I would argue that Johnnie is not an acehole... most of the time... :kissflowers: @ Stinkle :biggrin2:

[JR Stengele]

Watch it...

[sillybizz]

Watch it...

Oh I am... through your bedroom window...mmmmm....

[snap7times]

I asked several traveling pros their opinion on the matter... one of them got back to me and is a top 20 player in America... Here is what he said.
"I really don't see the point... I understand that it's an incredible moment with the disc FLYING through time and space to the intended target! i've always signed the disc, signing the basket is somewhat of a "look at me" thing, defacing the parks and areas we play in is disgraceful...help improve the course and give a good image for those who have not come played the course yet!"

Just thought be cool to see what a traveling Pro had to say.

[fernhillphil]

in my 8+ years of playing disc golf, i have never heard of anyone being bothered by ace signatures. If anything, I enjoy seeing that someone has aced a certain hole. there are bigger menaces on the disc golf course people

[The Ombudsman]

in my 8+ years of playing disc golf, i have never heard of anyone being bothered by ace signatures. If anything, I enjoy seeing that someone has aced a certain hole. there are bigger menaces on the disc golf course people

Just like you said about the dogs, the same goes for signing baskets: If nobody signs a basket, nobody has a problem.

[fernhillphil]

Just like you said about the dogs, the same goes for signing baskets: If nobody signs a basket, nobody has a problem.

fair enough. i am not necessarily defending or condoning the action. i have one ace in my life and I didn't sign the basket. if i ever hit another (fingers crossed) I probably wont sign the basket as a result of reading this thread. I am just simply surprised that anyone really cares that much about the issue. it just seems petty. maybe i haven't played a course where basket tagging has gotten offensive or out of hand.

[emmarose]

... i've thought and thought on this, and really... doesn't it just seem tacky? i mean, picture those beautiful new shiny baskets out there at stubb and how super tacky it would look to have someone sharpie one all up... just tacky.

peace,
em

[Tim]

I pretty much agree with Phil. I've never tagged a basket, but never gave it much thought when I saw one with signatures. Certainly never felt compelled to write a MORALLY OUTRAGED!!!!11 post about it on the internet. I'd say it's a bit tacky yeah, but honestly, disc golf baskets themselves are pretty tacky, especially in the eyes of non-discers.

[fernhillphil]

tacky? sure, from 5 feet away. from 50 or more? it isn't really that visible

i am much more concerned about:
litterers
graffiti, the real kind
flora destruction
basket/bench destruction
theives
unresponsible pet owners
people w/ music

[Scott]

I am just simply surprised that anyone really cares that much about the issue. it just seems petty.
For many, respecting someone else's property is not a petty manner.

[fernhillphil]

For many, respecting someone else's property is not a petty manner.

seems like it.

:evilgrin: just to play devil's advocate, don't a lot of the baskets we play on belong to the parks they are in, often city, county or state parks, making them public property? i see the baskets at horning's as being bob's property, but are the baskets at pier someone's specific? or are they all of ours?

[Scott]

:evilgrin: just to play devil's advocate, don't a lot of the baskets we play on belong to the parks they are in, often city, county or state parks, making them public property? i see the baskets at horning's as being bob's property, but are the baskets at pier someone's specific? or are they all of ours?

Is that the rationale you use when you tag the bathrooms, park benches, and sidewalks?

[emmarose]

whatever, tim! :p baskets = beautiful, sharpie scribbles = tacky...

... you have morally outraged me, sir. ethically, we're still cool...

peace,
em

[Joshua Olmsted]

Didn't Phil just post that he is in general opposed to graffiti and bench defacement? Is it odd for people to have different views about different sorts of tagging? I get a very different reaction seeing gang tags on trees than I do from seeing someones ace tag and I don't believe that's necessarily a wrong way to view the issue.

[Adam Schneider]

don't a lot of the baskets we play on belong to the parks they are in, often city, county or state parks, making them public property?
You're right. Next time I need firewood, I'll walk over to the city park and chop down a couple of those crabapple trees.

What? I shouldn't?? But they're in a public park! You just said...

[snap7times]

tacky? sure, from 5 feet away. from 50 or more? it isn't really that visible

i am much more concerned about:
litterers
graffiti, the real kind
flora destruction
basket/bench destruction
theives
unresponsible pet owners
people w/ music

What is stopping you from being concerned with everything? There are a few people on here that have mentioned that there are larger issues on hand at dg courses, yes, duh, ofc there are, but what is stopping you from addressing ALLLL of the issues, who said you have to pick? Address all issues when they become evident, picking is just lazy talk... :shocked::biggrin2:

[fernhillphil]

You're right. Next time I need firewood, I'll walk over to the city park and chop down a couple of those crabapple trees.

What? I shouldn't?? But they're in a public park! You just said...

yeah, because that is the logical inference to make :rolleyes2: :yawn:


My point is that "disrespecting someone's property" is more of an opinion/perception than a fact. I am sure the vast majority of taggers don't feel that they are being disrespectful by tagging a basket. I would guess most taggers just think it is a DG tradition. Due to the large number of tags out there in the DG world, I would say there is ample evidence that this is true, at least among some golfers. Obviously, many here don't share this view.

I would also venture a guess that most of the "anti-taggers" in this thread don't actually own a basket on a public course. Thus, the "someone's property" comment is refering to someone else's property. Who really knows if the property owner actually feels that their property is being disrespected. Sure, some do, such as the OP. But, unless you own the basket or you know the owner doesn't approve of tagging, it is just your opinion that the property is being disrespected. It's all just opinion, some like it, some don't. Ultimately, there are bigger issues on the course than sharpie on metal.

I like the intelligent conversation going on in this thread, despite the differences of opinion. :cheers:

[fernhillphil]

What is stopping you from being concerned with everything? There are a few people on here that have mentioned that there are larger issues on hand at dg courses, yes, duh, ofc there are, but what is stopping you from addressing ALLLL of the issues, who said you have to pick? Address all issues when they become evident, picking is just lazy talk... :shocked::biggrin2:

because tagging isn't an issue to me. (insert duh emoticon)

[snap7times]

Having played at 60+ courses in 15+ states, I have only seen tagging done on less than 3 courses, all in the NW, it is not a tradition or anything that has ever been accepted as a part of our sport. It is something the recent players are starting to do and stopping it before it gets out of hand will go a long ways, the real tradition is signing the darn disc and retiring it if the owner wants...
Deal with all issues, don't pick, you know why...

[snap7times]

because tagging isn't an issue to me. (insert duh emoticon)

What course(s) have you put into the ground, I wanna go there...

[fernhillphil]

Right on snapsnapsnapsnapsnapsnapsnap, that is not what I have seen and I started playing disc golf in the midwest. It definitely goes on elsewhere.

I will deal with all the issues. I am currently dealing with the issue of people making a huge issue out of something that is not an issue.

[fernhillphil]

What course(s) have you put into the ground, I wanna go there...

this is relevant why?

or are you just one of the many old vets who walk around with their noses in the air? :bowing: :bowing: :bowing:

[T-Bird]

Who really knows if the property owner actually feels that their property is being disrespected.

...

Ultimately, there are bigger issues on the course than sharpie on metal.

If you do not know who the owner is or how they feel about it then you do not have permission to deface it and should not do it.

If this issue is so unimportant then why are you here participating in it?

[Tim]

snap started this thread b/c he put in a course and found that people were tagging the baskets. I suppose he'd have more right to be offended than others. If I were in the same position though, I'd take it as a sign that people are playing and enjoying something I put in the ground. If I were to find out people were chopping down trees, breaking branches, littering, etc., then I'd probably be motivated to make a morally outraged post.

Oh yeah, he's not old, either. (yet) :p

[sillybizz]

I think everyone is just angry now that it's cold and dark all the time.

[Eric Olson]

I am just simply surprised that anyone really cares that much about the issue. it just seems petty. maybe i haven't played a course where basket tagging has gotten offensive or out of hand.It's not a big issue, and I doubt anyone has lost sleep over it, but all the same I'd rather not see baskets defaced. Champoeg is a short course with lots of ace runs. Many of the yellow bands on the discatchers are tagged up. It is ugly, and that is not debatable. I prefer walking up and pulling my putt out of clean, unmarked baskets. That doesn't mean I think it's a big deal, but it is also a complete red herring to excuse the lack of respect for the course just because there are bigger fish to fry.

Which is more petty? Stating one's opinion that defacing baskets is ugly on a Disc Golf Specific Discussion Forum, or replying to a complaint about such only for the purpose of dismissing the issue, and by extension the POV shared in the OP, as insignificant...

[snap7times]

Don't forget, 2 holes earlier, i had to deal with a tree in the middle of the fairway that created routes knocked to the ground... Yes I am young, I put a course in the ground, at a YOUTH CAMP, which means anything the kids see here, they will apply elsewhere without thinking as much as we do... any lights going on now? Monkey see, monkey do, and it might not be a basket that they tag...
The reason i brought up the course installation question, is to gauge if the answers were coming from player or an investor of the game; just for curiousity's sake...
And the tree has been put back up and the littering issue is slowly dwindling due to the new garbage cans out there...
Hole #11 will become a 500 foot par 4... yayyyy... 14 alt pins will be put in soon...

Anyways, I'm just glad that the majority of us feel that it is not appropriate to tag baskets and will encourage others not to. I can only strictly control what happens at the Camp Taloali course and what other courses do, I can only voice my opinion... Thank you, and excellent thread, bob or sam, you can drop a gold post now...

[fernhillphil]

Right on snap, I didn't make the connection that you were the OP. I can certainly understand your frustrations as you have invested so much of your time into your course. It must be nerve racking to feel like people don't respect what you have provided them. Now the tree thing.... ugh....

Sorry about the grumpy old vet comment, it just seemed like you were flaunting your stats to me when we have all played a lot of courses in a lot of states. Thank you though, people like you make it possible for people like me to play and enjoy disc golf. And to answer your ?, I have installed zero courses. But that is due to a lack of a place to put one more than a lack of willingness or desire.

Again, may I reiterate that I have tagged zero baskets in my years of golfing. I don't condone it or condemn it. I put my efforts into solving the issues that I feel are important (litter, litter, litter). And to Eric, I was simply taking part in the conversation, which is what I thought a "Disc Golf Specific Discussion Forum" was for

[KenGilmore]

I don't think you understand how public property works.

yeah, because that is the logical inference to make :rolleyes2: :yawn:


My point is that "disrespecting someone's property" is more of an opinion/perception than a fact. I am sure the vast majority of taggers don't feel that they are being disrespectful by tagging a basket. I would guess most taggers just think it is a DG tradition. Due to the large number of tags out there in the DG world, I would say there is ample evidence that this is true, at least among some golfers. Obviously, many here don't share this view.

I would also venture a guess that most of the "anti-taggers" in this thread don't actually own a basket on a public course. Thus, the "someone's property" comment is refering to someone else's property. Who really knows if the property owner actually feels that their property is being disrespected. Sure, some do, such as the OP. But, unless you own the basket or you know the owner doesn't approve of tagging, it is just your opinion that the property is being disrespected. It's all just opinion, some like it, some don't. Ultimately, there are bigger issues on the course than sharpie on metal.

I like the intelligent conversation going on in this thread, despite the differences of opinion. :cheers:

[fernhillphil]

I don't think you understand how public property works.

I don't think you understand how playing the devil's advocate works.

Anyway, I'll vacate this thread now and leave it to those of you that agree with the majority. Hopefully I will be in the situation where I will have to decide whether to tag or not to tag very soon (I won't tag :angel:)

[Scott]

I hope my next ace is in a public park. I'll dig that basket up and take it home with me. After all, I paid for it.

[fernhillphil]

I hope my next ace is in a public park. I'll dig that basket up and take it home with me. After all, I paid for it.

I don't think you understand how playing the devil's advocate works.

Anyway, I'll vacate this thread now and leave it to those of you that agree with the majority. Hopefully I will be in the situation where I will have to decide whether to tag or not to tag very soon (I won't tag :angel:)

You all understand that the public property spiel was a joke, correct? That is why I prefaced it with ":evilgrin: to play the devil's advocate..." You all have such thin skin. Stop taking yourselves, and disc golf, so seriously.

[snap7times]

I hope my next ace is in a public park. I'll dig that basket up and take it home with me. After all, I paid for it.

but the important question remains, will you tag it?

[Scott]

but the important question remains, will you tag it?

Hells yeah! I'll tag the **** out of that basket. After all, it's mine!

Hey Phil - I'm totally taking this way too far. Just joking!

[snap7times]

I asked several traveling pros their opinion on the matter... one of them got back to me and is a top 20 player in America... Here is what he said.
"I really don't see the point... I understand that it's an incredible moment with the disc FLYING through time and space to the intended target! i've always signed the disc, signing the basket is somewhat of a "look at me" thing, defacing the parks and areas we play in is disgraceful...help improve the course and give a good image for those who have not come played the course yet!"

Just thought be cool to see what a traveling Pro had to say.

Another top 10 player chimed in and simply said "Great Explanation *by the other pro that posted above*, agreed!"

[tomw]

It does offend more people than it doesn't, and it is unsightly when done large and on the outside of the bandit. That i do agree with.
Asking a top 10 pro their opinion is just that, their opinion.
My marks(taggs):slapface:, are no bigger than my thumb nail and hopefully DO NOT OFFEND MOST people. :rolleyes2:
TW

[The Ombudsman]

It does offend more people than it doesn't, and it is unsightly when done large and on the outside of the bandit. That i do agree with.
Asking a top 10 pro their opinion is just that, their opinion.
My marks(taggs):slapface:, are no bigger than my thumb nail and hopefully DO NOT OFFEND MOST people. :rolleyes2:
TW

This is the most idiotic statement on this thread to date! What a buffoon!

Your marks, however small, DO OFFEND MOST PEOPLE!!!
You said it yourself.

This is exactly the moronic and selfish mentality that leads people to sign baskets in the first place.

What makes your marks any different than any others? Because 'MOST PEOPLE' don't see them but you want them to know you are special?? Because you did it better than anyone else??

Why are your aces any different than anyone else's?
Because 'MOST PEOPLE' don't see them and they gotta know about it? Because you did it better than anyone else?

Or because you are 'special'?

[Burge]

This is the most idiotic statement on this thread to date! What a buffoon!

Your marks, however small, DO OFFEND MOST PEOPLE!!!
You said it yourself.

This is exactly the moronic and selfish mentality that leads people to sign baskets in the first place.

What makes your marks any different than any others? Because 'MOST PEOPLE' don't see them but you want them to know you are special?? Because you did it better than anyone else??

Why are your aces any different than anyone else's?
Because 'MOST PEOPLE' don't see them and they gotta know about it? Because you did it better than anyone else?

Or because you are 'special'?

Wow.."idiotic...buffoon...moronic..."...bad form. Not really living up to your moniker, are you? I hardly think it fitting for any 'Ombudsman' to be spitting out such derogatory condescension. Tom may be opinionated;), but he is entitled to his opinion. Obviously, this thread has bread quite a point of contention, but I find it ironic that someone with a username that means' "impartial investigator" shows such a lack of decorum. Surely you, of all people, should be striving to maintain some semblance of civility...no?

[The Ombudsman]

Wow.."idiotic...buffoon...moronic..."...bad form. Not really living up to your moniker, are you? I hardly think it fitting for any 'Ombudsman' to be spitting out such derogatory condescension. Tom may be opinionated;), but he is entitled to his opinion. Obviously, this thread has bread quite a point of contention, but I find it ironic that someone with a username that means' "impartial investigator" shows such a lack of decorum. Surely you, of all people, should be striving to maintain some semblance of civility...no?

Well once in a while a spade should be called a spade.

An ombudsman is a person who acts as a trusted intermediary between an organization and some internal or external constituency while representing not only but mostly the broad scope of constituent interests.

Here I have chosen to represent the non taggers.

[Flatroc]

Anyone out there ever play hole #9 at Whistlers Bend? How about #7 or #14?
Number 9 (Beatles White Album), sits on a cliff above the gorgeous North Umpqua River. It's about 300 feet slightly downhill with the edge of the cliff 50-60 foot past the basket.
I'd argue with anyone who said this wasn't one of the coolest holes in the world.
I've watched two discs go in from tee shots and know of at least 3 more that have aced this hole.
Right me if I'm wrong but an ace on hole #9 at WB would be a great memory.
When you're a bit short on your drive, say 30, you are left with a very beautiful but intimidating putt.
That gorgeous river flowing behind the target can make it hard to focus.
One year we handed out fullcolor discs with a photo of hole 9 on them.
If this beautiful hole were to be tagged, it would turn ugly, and so would I as I have a wee bit of interest in this park.
If I were the president, I'd pull every basket that got tagged and put a flier on the kiosk's informing peeps of these inconsiderate asshole's names.
When I see an "ace tag", I don't say "oh cool, Phil Fuchhead got this one", I say something like " what a stupid, dumbass mo fo".
Tom, (I think I know or knew you from... Humboldt?) your ace tags offend me and I can't even see them. Good job on the aces though.
I think an ace post by tee 1, or golf central is a great idea.

[Flatroc]

I pretty much agree with Phil. I've never tagged a basket, but never gave it much thought when I saw one with signatures. Certainly never felt compelled to write a MORALLY OUTRAGED!!!!11 post about it on the internet. I'd say it's a bit tacky yeah, but honestly, disc golf baskets themselves are pretty tacky, especially in the eyes of non-discers.


Do you think non-discer's would view baskets as being even more tacky if they saw graffiti all over them?
I think it would show the non's that we don't care much about the equipment we use in our sport.

[Tim]

I think that empty beer cans, cigarette butts, and other trash is a lot more indicative of that.

[Flatroc]

Do you think non-discer's would view baskets as being even more tacky if they saw graffiti all over them?

And the answer is.....

[Tim]

Maybe, maybe not. Do you think non-skaters think skate parks are more tacky when they graffiti all over their ramps?

[Uhlman]

Maybe, maybe not. Do you think non-skaters think skate parks are more tacky when they graffiti all over their ramps?
As a former skater... I find graffiti on ramps and parks tacky... growing up if you were caught tagging a ramp park you would likely get the s--t kicked out of you by the other skaters. The only caveat to that is if you were an artist and were working on a mural or something for the park.

[Tim]

And see, as a non-skater, when I see a skate park that's all graffitied up, I usually think it's kind of cool. It adds personality, and in their own way, the skaters are expressing the enjoyment of their park.

I know disc golf baskets and skate ramps aren't perfect comparisons--signatures generally aren't cool artwork. My guess is that most non-discers don't care one way or another about signatures on baskets. Hell, it might actually give non-discers a clue that people are aiming at those bizarre contraptions. And if there's a lot of signatures on there, it shows that a lot more people are into it than that funny looking guy with the duffel bag full of frisbees.

[Flatroc]

Maybe, maybe not. Do you think non-skaters think skate parks are more tacky when they graffiti all over their ramps?

Yes, I think non-skaters think graffiti all over skate park ramps is tacky.
I think it should be an unthinkable thought.
I love murals though.

[JMan]

I really can't believe this is still a debatable issue, but then when I take a pee or drop the duce at a friends house I sign the toilet...hole in one is a hole in one, I'm sure they like me signing thier potty rather than dropping it on the floor....

[Tim]

I really can't believe this is still a debatable issue, but then when I take a pee or drop the duce at a friends house I sign the toilet...hole in one is a hole in one, I'm sure they like me signing thier potty rather than dropping it on the floor....

I three putted mine, so couldn't sign it. :(

[Kris C]

I three putted mine, so couldn't sign it. :(

I hope you at least cleaned up after yourself! :D

[Scott]

When I see an "ace tag", I don't say "oh cool, Phil Fuchhead got this one", I say something like " what a stupid, dumbass mo fo".


I agree with this statement 100%

[Tim]

I hope you at least cleaned up after yourself! :D

Nah, I just leave that to the parks department, or whoever does the next work party.

;)

[sillybizz]

"They" should clean the park, it has been two days since I left that 18 pack of Keystone Ice out there and no one has picked it up!

[Ol' Bob]

Where's Kieth Stone when you need him?

[Altophish]

Really? Ten pages about about a little ink on a basket?

Forgive me if I find the beer cans, food wrappers, and cigarette butts that can be seen all over the courses from almost anywhere WAY more offensive than a small signature I have to walk all the way to a basket to see.
And on top of that I would much rather see an Ace signature than some of the other interesting things that non-DG'ers write on them.
I'm not a tagger but the signatures don't bother me even a little bit.

[The Ombudsman]

Really? Ten pages about about a little ink on a basket?

Forgive me if I find the beer cans, food wrappers, and cigarette butts that can be seen all over the courses from almost anywhere WAY more offensive than a small signature I have to walk all the way to a basket to see.
And on top of that I would much rather see an Ace signature than some of the other interesting things that non-DG'ers write on them.
I'm not a tagger but the signatures don't bother me even a little bit.

When I find the beer cans, food wrappers and cigarette butts I clean those up too. Those are more offensive indeed, but seem to take less effort to clean up than graffiti.

[Flatroc]

Riverfront park in Roseburg, Oregon was designed when all we had to throw was dx cobra's and stinkrays. 100 yard holes were kinda long back then.
We've been able to tweak some of the holes and make them a bit longer and tougher, but long story short... every hole has been aced.
A few of them at least a 100 times. no shit
Imagine (Lennon) if every Phil, Tom and Hairy tagged all these ace holes.
They'd all turn black after a while.
We've had taggers since we've had wood poles and tone poles. (Tell me that wasn't ugly)
Paint the poles black.
It might make for some good contrast.

[Kris C]

I think there should be a "beating a dead horse" smilie!

[Adam Schneider]

I think there should be a "beating a dead horse" smilie!
If only there were some way to search for images on the Web (http://images.google.com/images?q=beating+a+dead+horse+smiley)...

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/302/deadhorsebeat2.gif

[Kris C]

So much easier for me to let you do it! :)

[General Scales]

After an ace I not only sign the basket but also the teepad. Then I sign every person that was there. Then I proceed to find a chisel and the weakest tree. I then carve my name pdga number, wind speed, disc type (including the run), throwing style, dew point, wind chill AND current temp. I'll do this in a circular pattern around the trunk, making sure that I strip a full ring of bark while doing so. To top it off, I'll make sure to also let my dog off the leash so he can poo right in the ten meter circle which I'll leave unremoved while smoking pot, throwing beer cans and cigarette butts on the ground.

Now is there anything I forgot to include in this tirade of offensive and obviously sarcastic information?

Basket tagging doesn't bother me but I've never done it either. Just sign my disc when they do happen.

[Kris C]

^^ Could ya get your dog to dig a hole or two, right in the middle of the fairway?

[General Scales]

^^ Could ya get your dog to dig a hole or two, right in the middle of the fairway?

Sure thing. I will also make sure to have him chew up random peoples discs while he's digging. Then when confronted, I'll make sure to ignore their protests while spewing out ethnic slurs and praising socialism while touching myself inappropriately.

[tomw]

Whether you liken your disc golf game aces to leaving a crap at a friends house:confused: or the graffiti that you've clearly, openly left on a pole for 30 years:slapface: aces will still be marked on discgolf baskets:waaah: If and when i get an ace,( i have learned a few things about some big city discers) you'll never see or hear of it.

Good sarcastic tirade Stu. Dog sh*~ at the course is another subject all together.

[LakeStevensBA]

I couldn't hear a thing you were saying because the cheap speakers in your disc golf bag were turned up so loud belching out some 1970's rock that you assumed everyone on the course wanted to hear.

[General Scales]

I couldn't hear a thing you were saying because the cheap speakers in your disc golf bag were turned up so loud belching out some 1970's rock that you assumed everyone on the course wanted to hear.

Nothing says disc golf like Cat Scratch Fever, Ina Gada Da Vida and Hot Blooded.

[tomw]

Nothing says disc golf like Cat Scratch Fever, Ina Gada Da Vida and Hot Blooded.

Sammy Hagars "Where Eagles Fly" is one of my favorite pre-tourney disc golf songs and was even the name of one of the tourneys my wife and i threw back in the day,in 2002 at Farragut. Great White's" Sail Away" is another good one! p.s. Of the three bands mentioned in STU's quote, i say 2 of them live, Nugent and Foreigner, back in the 70's . Gotta love those 80's girls:angel:

[Bullseye]

I would just like to take a moment to congratulate Megan C who apparently aced hole 11 at Stub Stewart with a Leopard.

Its a real shame you took it upon yourself to deface our brand new basket with a Sharpie to commemorate your awesomeness. Yeah, those sweet, custom powder-coated orange baskets sure do look a lot better with your name emblazoned right there in the center of the band.

I'm just a little disappointed that we hadn't even had a chance to finish installing this amazing course for you before you'd started vandalizing it. It sure does make us want to head right back out there and pour more hours in.

Sincerely,

The Stub Stewart Design Team


PS: Basket taggers suck. Seriously.

[Denny]

My fav thing to do after an ace is to take a pic of my disc in the basket on my cell and send out a mass pic/text to all my homies to show them what's up!

Sorry to hear about that Jeff. Rachel and I got to play out there the other day in the fog and snow and those powder coated baskets are awesome!!
(It's nice how they pop out in the dense woods)

After 9 holes Rachel and I were tied at 2 up. She got some sick birdies out there.

That course can play tough..... some of those uphill holes play really tough.

Very scenic. I look forward to making it out to some of those work parties as I can see there is much more work to be done.

[LakeStevensBA]

Megan C needs to come out with a fresh can of Goof Off and do some work on that basket. And Megan should be out at the next work party to help wheel barrow around some stuff. And someone needs to steal Megan's sharpie....

[emmarose]

I would just like to take a moment to congratulate Megan C who apparently aced hole 11 at Stub Stewart with a Leopard.

Its a real shame you took it upon yourself to deface our brand new basket with a Sharpie to commemorate your awesomeness. Yeah, those sweet, custom powder-coated orange baskets sure do look a lot better with your name emblazoned right there in the center of the band.

I'm just a little disappointed that we hadn't even had a chance to finish installing this amazing course for you before you'd started vandalizing it. It sure does make us want to head right back out there and pour more hours in.

Sincerely,

The Stub Stewart Design Team


PS: Basket taggers suck. Seriously.

oh, i am so irritated!!! those baskets were such pristine things of beauty... will acetone hurt the powder coating? or should i bring some industrial strength nail polish next work party to try and get it off?

oh, megan c... i am so disappointed in you.

oh, never mind... goof off. thanks.

[The Brodys]

I was just browsing some pictures of local disc golfers and it was funny one guy takes a picture of himself signing the baskets he aces on. You guys better go get him before he signs more baskets. PM me for his info I only charge a small fee for info leading to the arrest of one of these low lives.

[The Brodys]

I can not really rat anyone out! I am really on the fence. I will tell people that I dont do it and explain why, but I am not going to talk down on people who do tag baskets for aces. But really taking pictures of yourself doing it? He must not know that some of you feel so strongly about it.


And I am not sure what looks tackier people tagging aces, or all those ODW stickers I see all over Sorosis..... :wink2:

Who would do something like that?

[emmarose]

And I am not sure what looks tackier people tagging aces, or all those ODW stickers I see all over Sorosis..... :wink2:

Who would do something like that?

... not this girl. i'm the good one.

[Bullseye]

I can not really rat anyone out! I am really on the fence. I will tell people that I dont do it and explain why, but I am not going to talk down on people who do tag baskets for aces. But really taking pictures of yourself doing it? He must not know that some of you feel so strongly about it.


And I am not sure what looks tackier people tagging aces, or all those ODW stickers I see all over Sorosis..... :wink2:

Who would do something like that?

He should have just taken the picture of the disc in the basket and he would have commemorated the event quite nicely. I wonder how he would feel if someone was vandalizing a basket he had paid $500 for.

Actually, on my walk at lunch today I was playing the A to Z license plate game. I hope that guy with the Silver BMW doesn't mine that I signed the hood of his car with a Sharpie. He shouldn't mind... I mean it was really hard to find that Z on such a short walk. Right?

[sillybizz]

He should have just taken the picture of the disc in the basket and he would have commemorated the event quite nicely. I wonder how he would feel if someone was vandalizing a basket he had paid $500 for.

Actually, on my walk at lunch today I was playing the A to Z license plate game. I hope that guy with the Silver BMW doesn't mine that I signed the hood of his car with a Sharpie. He shouldn't mind... I mean it was really hard to find that Z on such a short walk. Right?

I would think "Q" would be much harder.

[The Brodys]

I am not sure if you quoted me because you wanted to prove a point to me or what. But I get that some people get up tight about ink on public/private property. And I do not do it. I was just commenting on the photos I saw and made a joke about selling the info to the angry mob. But I bet that person would actually encourage someone to tag an ace they received on his $500 basket.

[The Brodys]

... not this girl. i'm the good one.

hahaha... I am sure you are.

[Bullseye]

I am not sure if you quoted me because you wanted to prove a point to me or what.

Nope. No ulterior motive whatsoever. I apologize if it came across that way.

[The Brodys]

Thanks for the clarification. I get confused easily.

[General Scales]

The stickers thing...this brings up a good question. Isnt that as bad as Sharpies? Personally I think that that it can be much harder to scrap some stickers off then to put a little acetone or goo gone on a rag and wipe it away...

[snap7times]

Oh come on Bullseye, aren't there bigger problems at stub stewart like garbage? ;)

Thanks for continuing this thread and stopping those people who used to think it was cool from doing it in the future...

[emmarose]

The stickers thing...this brings up a good question. Isnt that as bad as Sharpies? Personally I think that that it can be much harder to scrap some stickers off then to put a little acetone or goo gone on a rag and wipe it away...

... it is as bad as sharpies. except that i like stickers... well... i guess i like sharpies, too... but i think it's okay to put a sticker on something you own... like your car or your water bottle or your coffee cup or your clipboard that you did not steal from the beaver state fling, it came in the players pack... keep it clean people...

[Matt B.]

The stickers thing...this brings up a good question. Isnt that as bad as Sharpies? Personally I think that that it can be much harder to scrap some stickers off then to put a little acetone or goo gone on a rag and wipe it away...

I'd say the sticker situation is even worse. I haven't seen a sticker-less basket in Oregon. Every fool with a sticker thinks it's ok to slap it on the basket.

[emmarose]

I'd say the sticker situation is even worse. I haven't seen a sticker-less basket in Oregon. Every fool with a sticker thinks it's ok to slap it on the basket.

... i'd like to slap a sticker on them fools' faces that says "yo, fool! don't tag my basket!"

... oh, wait, not my basket... but still...

[The Ombudsman]

758


Who would have thought?

[emmarose]

758


Who would have thought?

... hmmmmm... that's not at all what nate doss' signature looks like on my team keen echo boss i got at the BSF... he must have really been working on it over the last few months... making it more legible and kindergarteny...

[SPIDER-DAN]

Seriously.........tagging with a sharpie and/or even stickers. Have you seen a car full of stickers all over it.............junk. Just my opinion, but how getto are we trying to make are beautiful disc golf courses look?

[The Ombudsman]

... hmmmmm... that's not at all what nate doss' signature looks like on my team keen echo boss i got at the BSF... he must have really been working on it over the last few months... making it more legible and kindergarteny...

The picture was taken at the site of his first Ace. He was 7 when he nailed the 87 foot practice basket at the Poimene Reserve course, an accomplishment he is proud of to this day.

[JMan]

We were out at Stub today...butter...with a little whisky and some elbow grease one of our group was able to, for the most part, rid hole of meagan's vandalism.

[Bob Horning]

We were out at Stub today...butter...with a little whisky and some elbow grease one of our group was able to, for the most part, rid hole of meagan's vandalism.

Just want to say thanks guys!!:trophy::yay:

[Bullseye]

We were out at Stub today...butter...with a little whisky and some elbow grease one of our group was able to, for the most part, rid hole of meagan's vandalism.

Awww hell... now I gotta like you... ;)

[LegoRules]

The baskets in the pictures that are posted on Val's facebook page don't have any writing on them. Val and Nate have been touring Australia for the past couple of months, and she has been regularly posting the pictures from her trip on facebook.

759

Poimena Disc Golf Course
Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

[DMajor]

Obviously she photoshopped her pictures

[Flash]

We were out at Stub today...butter...with a little whisky and some elbow grease one of our group was able to, for the most part, rid hole of meagan's vandalism.

I was out last Saturday and I attempted to use some cleaner and rag on baskets 4 and 11 to remove graffiti. I was not able to completely clean the baskets but I managed to reduce the glare of it. I was hoping to return this weekend and finish the job. Thanks Jman for taking care or it for me.

I do not like the basket tagging and that is all it is tagging. I would like to remind everyone that the baskets are now the property of the state parks and if one would be caught performing this act they would be under the penalty of the State! Please do us all a favor and take a picture or sign your disc but please do not tag the baskets and ask others in your group to also avoid the urge to do this. If we can not prevent this act, we will be forced to make all holes, non-aceable!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Ombudsman]

Obviously she photoshopped her pictures

Absolutely.
Apparently she was very mad at Nate. It almost cost him the relationship.

[snap7times]

damnnnn it Caleb A.!!!! Hole 16 Long at taloali... Today 3 of us were cleaning up the fairways to get ready for the wood chipper coming in this week or next week and I noticed this hugeeeee black marking up and down the pole... really?!? An ace on that position is great, but ya had to write hugeeee on the pole, not on the sticker which can be taken off, but the pole??? Now I gotta add to the long list of things I want to do to the course in the next month before the May 14-15 tournament... Anyone know a Caleb A that just aced at taloali, do me a favor and tell him to clean it up...
And someone had put a sticker on 15's pole as well which came off nicely but really... people think they can do wahtever they want with stuff that isn't theirs...

[weaktit]

damnnnn it Caleb A.!!!! Hole 16 Long at taloali... Today 3 of us were cleaning up the fairways to get ready for the wood chipper coming in this week or next week and I noticed this hugeeeee black marking up and down the pole... really?!? An ace on that position is great, but ya had to write hugeeee on the pole, not on the sticker which can be taken off, but the pole??? Now I gotta add to the long list of things I want to do to the course in the next month before the May 14-15 tournament... Anyone know a Caleb A that just aced at taloali, do me a favor and tell him to clean it up...
And someone had put a sticker on 15's pole as well which came off nicely but really... people think they can do wahtever they want with stuff that isn't theirs...

I'm sure has been said before but a MAGIC ERASER quickly removes sharpie from metal. I've denied at least four aces at my local course.

[Knuckles Dakota]

I find it hard to believe that people in this thread are "on the fence" about basket tagging. I get that an ace is a moment worth commemorating and also that it's cool to see that someone got a challenging basket in one. Looking back on this thread, though, the guys that do the work on the majority of courses in our area feel tags are an eye sore. That's really what makes my mind up on the issue of tags.

We, in the Portland area, are blessed with a dedicated group who really take time to create and maintain courses for people to play on ( you guys rock!). If the people who work to maintain the field that you practice your avocation on feel tagging a basket is a foul why would you even argue? Especially when the hard working folk who make sure your course is playable feel basket tagging is an insult. Tag your disc instead it's a no brainier.

[The Ombudsman]

I find it hard to believe that people in this thread are "on the fence" about basket tagging. I get that an ace is a moment worth commemorating and also that it's cool to see that someone got a challenging basket in one. Looking back on this thread, though, the guys that do the work on the majority of courses in our area feel tags are an eye sore. That's really what makes my mind up on the issue of tags.

We, in the Portland area, are blessed with a dedicated group who really take time to create and maintain courses for people to play on ( you guys rock!). If the people who work to maintain the field that you practice your avocation on feel tagging a basket is a foul why would you even argue? Especially when the hard working folk who make sure your course is playable feel basket tagging is an insult. Tag your disc instead it's a no brainier.

Bravo!
A stellar first post, Mr. Dakota.
:yay::yay::yay::yay:

[Ol' Bob]

Such clear reasoned thinking is truly scary. It worries me.

[Mayumoogy]

I come from a course where the signs where all marked up because idiots thought it would be cool to commemorate their ace. Besides the fact that the holes they aced were more like a good up shot, it looks UGLY!

What is wrong with writing your ace on the disc? I think that is a better idea because you get to keep the memory with you and can show it off anywhere not just at that course, at that hole.

[Rakoz]

Casual park user walks through the park with the course on it and sees people writing all over public property with sharpies... public employee that was on the fence about the new course installed on public land spends his workday removing basket tags... kids watching grown ups graffiti public works, having a good time doing it, and making it look cool.

Think of the perception you are creating of our sport. Think of all the "I hate disc golf" or "course in danger of being shut down" threads that have been here in the last year. Stop and think about anything other than yourself just for a second.

You are breaking the law, casting a poor light on our sport, and pretty much saying "screw you" to everyone who has every worked on the course, help put in the course, and maintained the course, and people who enjoy playing the course. Why?

Sign the disc, get your achievement over on discgolfscene, take a picture of it.

[Ol' Bob]

http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/child-a-tagger.jpg

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[Bad Finger]

Been watching this conversation for a few days and thought it might be time to drop my .02.

While I don't agree with the practice of signing baskets, to group "taggers" and graffiti artists in with the same guys sign their name on a basket after a hole in one is a bit short sighted in my opinion. Granted, I agree it makes it look bad, gives us a bad image, makes parks looks shoddy, yada, yada; to do so would be like non-disc golfers saying all disc golfers are "stoners". Stereotyping people is something I thought we PNW folk didn't do.

In my experience, 90% of the people I've seen sign baskets are beginners who have just gotten their first ace, and are following what they've seen others do in the past. If we work to educate newbies on the correct way to play and score disc golf, in a few years we will have clean baskets. Until then, maybe our local park stewards could take a small can of acetone with them during a round once a month? I've always found that leading by example is the best way to get people to change a specific action. Also, do any of the parks have a notice on their rules signs to "Please do not sign the baskets"?

Just curious.

[CMC206]

If you tag a basket after an ace you are a dooshbag! I personally don't care about your ace. That's what your disc is for. Mark it and hang it on your wall.

[mrDROCK]

http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/child-a-tagger.jpg

That is fairly accurate.

[Ol' Bob]

Would connecting taggers (even loosely) with basket taggers be stereotyping?

I think it's more like, let's see, does this shoe fit?

I know that baskets are not boxcars. If they were, I'd make more putts.

[benny503]

Maybe someones not making aces... basket taggings apart of the game, maybe in a televised event you would want clean baskets, but COME ON, enjoy the game, if taggings on the basket are bugging you that much, maybe switch to ball golf, much more conservative

[The Ombudsman]

Maybe someones not making aces... basket taggings apart of the game, maybe in a televised event you would want clean baskets, but COME ON, enjoy the game, if taggings on the basket are bugging you that much, maybe switch to ball golf, much more conservative


Well, There's one person who won't be making it to the next work party. You and your hieroglyphics won't be missed.

Maybe you should quit folfing and join a gang. Then your tagging will be accepted by your peers.

[Bullseye]

Maybe someones not making aces... basket taggings apart of the game, maybe in a televised event you would want clean baskets, but COME ON, enjoy the game, if taggings on the basket are bugging you that much, maybe switch to ball golf, much more conservative

This is absolutely the wrong attitude. Basket tagging is part of the game? Where the hell did you get this moronic idea? Just because some dimwit somewhere decided to vandalize a basket when they got an ace does not make it "part of the game". If you want to commemorate something, write on your disc...you own that.

[Bob Horning]

Maybe someones not making aces... basket taggings apart of the game, maybe in a televised event you would want clean baskets, but COME ON, enjoy the game, if taggings on the basket are bugging you that much, maybe switch to ball golf, much more conservative

Wow, obviously a spoiled little brat who has never had to work for anything in his life and has no values for others work, pathetic. Grow up please and quit being a little boy.

[Bad Finger]

Would connecting taggers (even loosely) with basket taggers be stereotyping?

I think it's more like, let's see, does this shoe fit?

I know that baskets are not boxcars. If they were, I'd make more putts.

No, but the last three times I've seen someone sign a basket they looked nothing like that picture what so ever.

One had their two small children with them, another was over 50, and the third person worked for the parks department that the course was in.

As I've said before, I don't sign baskets, but when I started disc golfing three years ago, the person who got me into the sport did. I eventually got them to stop, but it took a while.

[E Smith]

We may want to take it a little easy on benny. He just joined this site and may have just started playing disc golf. He may also come from a part of the world littered with graffiti and vandalism.

Benny, people put hundreds of volunteer man hours into courses and one of the reasons we play this sport is because we like being in nature doing something we enjoy. When people tag baskets it’s like saying “I don’t care how much of yourself you put into this course, my ace is more important.”

As far as aces are concerned, I literally have too many to count and not one initial on a basket.

As you will learn, litter and vandalism are a constant challenge at disc golf courses. Once you get more involved, I believe your attitude will change for the better.

[Bullseye]

We may want to take it a little easy on benny. He just joined this site and may have just started playing disc golf. He may also come from a part of the world littered with graffiti and vandalism.

Benny, people put hundreds of volunteer man hours into courses and one of the reasons we play this sport is because we like being in nature doing something we enjoy. When people tag baskets it’s like saying “I don’t care how much of yourself you put into this course, my ace is more important.”

As far as aces are concerned, I literally have too many to count and not one initial on a basket.

As you will learn, litter and vandalism are a constant challenge at disc golf courses. Once you get more involved, I believe your attitude will change for the better.


Whatever...


Reasonable people suck!


;)

[Ol' Bob]

So, not all taggers dress alike or are the same age. All they have in common is their self importance? So it's not a stereotyped sort doing the activity. It's kind of like how I and Bob Horning typify private course keepers named Bob. Peas in a pod, we are, eh? :biggrin2:

[Ol' Bob]

...I literally have too many to count...

I hate you.