Dyed Discs

[Will of Doom]

I could probably do that. Let me know when and I'll try to do it.

Maybe I can make lunchtime again. either that or are you going to be at tuesday two's?

[runnaman]

I should be at both. I have to get some more stuff for dying though. I'll let you know when I have everything.

[Will of Doom]

I should be at both. I have to get some more stuff for dying though. I'll let you know when I have everything.

Sounds good. Thank you.

[Kris C]

So after you dye a disc, do you save the dye and add more to it for the next one, or just toss it and start over??

[jevon]

You can save it.

[Kris C]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45158787@N05/4862280022/

My first dye attempt. My daughter's DX Coyote.
How can I get the pic to show up? I tried to add the pic using the insert image button, but it won't work.

[Parks]

Well, that's a link to a web page and not a picture, so that won't work with the insert image thing on this site.

Also, watch out with DX plastic and dyeing. Its pretty notorious for not holding a dye at all.

It looks like you did a pretty good job with something that complicated for your first dye, however.

[Tim]

Flickr doesn't allow hotlinking, AFAIK. All you can do is post links. If you want to post photos on forums and such, sites like Photobucket or Picasa should do the trick.

[TREX]

Well, that's a link to a web page and not a picture, so that won't work with the insert image thing on this site.

Also, watch out with DX plastic and dyeing. Its pretty notorious for not holding a dye at all.

It looks like you did a pretty good job with something that complicated for your first dye, however.

I agree, looks really good for being his 1st and DX plastic.

You will notice that the colors on DX always seem to come out a lighter shade then what you use and it is harder to set in the plastic. If you want to practice on DX try using a mix of 75% water and about 25% acetone and run your dye hot as you can without warping the disc. GL and keep posting your dyes.

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/IMG01711.jpg

CFR Boss. Some of the residue from the vinyl stuck, but I'll worry about that after the dye sets for a few days.

[Parks]

Nice job, Kris!

Keep at it, the dyes will only get better as you learn more.

[snap7times]

My best friend and my son's godfather, who is 27 yrs old, just got diagnosed with cancer, and has been a disc golfer thanks to my contributing to his bag as I just gave him a bigger bag and 13 discs. WIthout igniting controversy, who can do dyes from a picture and have the writing around it, something like cancer survivor on it. Want to get this for him in the next couple months to keep him fighting the good fight in chemo...

[TREX]

Send me a copy of the pic and I will see If i can get a workable image from it. I have done some trophy discs with peoples images on them so I might be able to help. Msg me Snap

[JK_Aviar]

Hey disc dying fanatics, can anyone tell me how well a kc pro roc would take dye? It is a dark marbled purple/blue, almost tie dye looking. Thanks for the help.

[TREX]

Pro plastic takes dye very well but will blur and fade in time. The plastic is very pliable and the dye will set nice and dark for ya. I have several I have done and even though they blurred a little bit after some time they still look great. GL

[TREX]

I have been busy lately but managed to get a few dyes done for close friends on request. Here are a couple of them i got pics of

Seahawks on a 1st run Nuke
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/Hawks.jpg

added the sun to the back of this dye for a friend..
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/sumimage.jpg
I figured one potleaf wouldnt hurt
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/potleaf.jpg
The superman disc has been done to death but it was a request =]
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/supermandisc.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

My best friend and my son's godfather, who is 27 yrs old, just got diagnosed with cancer, and has been a disc golfer thanks to my contributing to his bag as I just gave him a bigger bag and 13 discs. WIthout igniting controversy, who can do dyes from a picture and have the writing around it, something like cancer survivor on it. Want to get this for him in the next couple months to keep him fighting the good fight in chemo...

Nate, you know my work. let me know if you want me to do it. send me the logo

[Parks]

I like the Seahawks dye itself, but do you have any plans to put a good team on a disc in the future?

[snap7times]

Nate, you know my work. let me know if you want me to do it. send me the logo

Thanks for the offer but trex came through in style on this one... will post it for all to see in a week after I give it to my buddy... Thanks.

[Kris C]

My wife and I are going to Honolulu in 2 weeks, so I thought I'd do sort of a commemorative disc.

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/Roadrunner.jpg

[TREX]

I like the Seahawks dye itself, but do you have any plans to put a good team on a disc in the future?

Yuck yuck yuck :bricks::bricks:

[TREX]

The Dye that Snap wanted done. He sent me a picture of his buddy and I got an image from it to put on the disc. This was the 1st time I did someones face on a disc from an image I created so I am stoked at how clear it came out.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/facepic.jpg

[ChUcK]

That face came out well. Did it take a lot of Illustrator acrobatics to get it right?

I did Hunter S. Thompson's face yesterday, but with much more rudimentary methods. I found a photo of him online with the right orientation and light source angle, then taped some paper to the screen and traced the outline of his face, and added the shading later with the photo as a guide. Fun!

The Basket Hunter
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1015258.jpg

[grant]

Very gonzo, awesome dye.

[jshrack]

Glad to see you are dyeing again!!!

Sweet lookin' disc, as usual.

I can't wait until my attempts match up to your 'rudimentary method' dyes.

[Ol' Bob]

Yeah, good one, ChUcK.

[Stoney]

Some new disc dyes.....

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac182/Skellytrix/Disc%20Golf/Picture270.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac182/Skellytrix/Disc%20Golf/Picture277.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac182/Skellytrix/Disc%20Golf/Picture274.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac182/Skellytrix/Disc%20Golf/Picture280.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac182/Skellytrix/Disc%20Golf/Picture278.jpg

[ChUcK]

What vinyl are you using, Stoney? It looks like it is giving up on you in some places. Not bleeds due to lack of skill- it seems that entire edges are lifting up during the dip giving you some blurry lines.

I dig the images chosen for the glow discs. Quite appropriate, I think!

[TREX]

Nicely done.

[Kris C]

it seems that entire edges are lifting up during the dip giving you some blurry lines.


I was having the same problem on my first few, but it quit happenning when I turned the heat down.

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/IMG01864.jpg
The Hawaiian god La'amaomao. God of wind.

[whalekillah]

Wow. How much for the Hunter S. Thompson disc. Not sure if your into selling your art or not, but "That is a nice disc Man" as Hunter would say.
Pm me......:rockon:

[ChUcK]

pm'd

[Kris C]

So I have a DX Aviar thats been sitting in the dye (black) for 2 days now, and still has almost no color at all. It's a batch of dye that I've used before (the Hawaiian God disc above). I've dyed a couple other DX discs that took color just fine. I've had it warm most of the time. I turn the stove off when it feels too hot. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

[ChUcK]

Post pics for us to see.

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/IMG01887.jpg

[runnaman]

I can't remember if I posted these or not, but I did these for Will.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt15/runnaman7/DSCN0739.jpg?t=1286166580

[runnaman]

Wow, I realized I haven't posted any new dyes on here. Here are the others that I've done:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt15/runnaman7/DSCN0662.jpg?t=1286166777

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt15/runnaman7/DSCN0757.jpg?t=1286166799

[whalekillah]

I have seen two of those dye jobs on the course. The eagle (on an Eagle)and the tribal spiral on (a spider). I could be wrong but, I think Will was showing off the Spider today. Great looking dyes.

[runnaman]

Thanks

[Will of Doom]

I have seen two of those dye jobs on the course. The eagle (on an Eagle)and the tribal spiral on (a spider). I could be wrong but, I think Will was showing off the Spider today. Great looking dyes.

Yes I was. Loving that disc, esp with the dye job on it :rockon:

[Kris C]

Yep, awesome discs run.
Can dye be "used up" so it no longer has enough potency to dye a disc?

[ChUcK]

So I have a DX Aviar thats been sitting in the dye (black) for 2 days now, and still has almost no color at all. It's a batch of dye that I've used before (the Hawaiian God disc above). I've dyed a couple other DX discs that took color just fine. I've had it warm most of the time. I turn the stove off when it feels too hot. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

At first I thought you had blue vinyl on a white Dx Aviar, but now I see that the disc is blue and the vinyl is taking the Rit just fine. I don't know what to say except Dx is lame for dyeing. I tried to dye Dx and KC Pro stuff a long time ago and gave it up after a couple of similar attempts to yours.

Can dye be "used up" so it no longer has enough potency to dye a disc?

I have no idea how long it takes Rit to break down into something other than dye. I guess it must, due to exposure to oxygen and heat, but I don't think it is something to worry about. I used the same box of black Rit for over a year of dyeing at least one disc a day, and the only problem I ever had was that the water in the pot would evaporate over time, so I just added a little more whenever necessary. Never did I add more dye in that year, and eventually I just had to throw it out because I was moving apartments and pans full o' black Rit death don't handle the moving process very well.

If you do the same, make sure you have a good stainless steel pot, because Tim tried the same thing in a thin aluminum pot and the dyebath ate right through the metal.

Short answer, you had better be dyeing a whole ton of plastic if you want to use up all the dye in a box of Rit (depending upon the amount that your process wastes with each dip.)

[Scott]

So I have a DX Aviar thats been sitting in the dye (black) for 2 days now, and still has almost no color at all. It's a batch of dye that I've used before (the Hawaiian God disc above). I've dyed a couple other DX discs that took color just fine. I've had it warm most of the time. I turn the stove off when it feels too hot. Any ideas as to why this is happening?

Typically, DX doesn't dye well. Not sure why you had success before, but your most recent experience is more the norm.

[Tim]

If you do the same, make sure you have a good stainless steel pot, because Tim tried the same thing in a thin aluminum pot and the dyebath ate right through the metal.


That pot was steel, cheap and thin, yes, but stainless steel nonetheless.

[Kris C]

I keep my dye in a milk jug and pour it into the pot when I dye and then put it back. I added a little acetone to the pot of dye, and it helped VERY little.

[ChUcK]

I stand corrected. Whatever stainless steel pan you use, make sure it passes the burglar thought experiment test. If -upon smacking the pan against a burglar's head- you are more worried about the condition of the pan than the burglar's skull, it should not be used.

[Ol' Bob]

I have seen even fruit juice eat through stainless. I write it off as an impurity in the steel, as it happens in just one tiny place over a large, otherwise, unaffected area.

I believe that lamp black/carbon black is still the main black pigment over the ages. The best pigments of most colors are the ones that endure over time. Since a few molecules go a long way when spread only a molecule or two thick, I'd think those batches of dye long lived when doing surfaces other than fabric.

[Kris C]

"Tim tried the same thing in a thin aluminum pot and the dyebath ate right through the metal."

What a MESS!!! :waaah: :shocked::shocked:

[Burge]

Look at your picture, Kris, the water is beading up on the disc. DX and Pro are particularly hydrophobic and Rit is a 'direct dye' that is 'water-soluble' and, hence, has a problem with getting into the plastic. In reality, the actual dye never goes into a true solution because the color is carried as small particles caught between groups of water molecules and is never really solubilized. Adding acetone to the water helps 'open' the plastic by loosening the polymerized chains enough to allow the particles of color to become lodged in between (much like in fabric, which is what Rit was really designed for). Increasing your acetone concentration can get you better results, but even though acetone is miscible in water, it will still evaporate out of the solution as it is heated. It can be hard to tell just from the smell if there is still some in the water because the smell of the vapors will linger in the air, and the nose, for a while after it is gone from the solution. That's why people get different results with DX. But, putting in too much acetone can have adverse affects on the plastic, and subsequently the shape, of the disc.

I once traded someone a Pro Beast for a Pro monster and wanted to remove the sharpie marker scribbling doodle dye job that was on the top, ('monster' face):rolleyes2: and it wouldn't all come off with isoproponol. So, after wiping the hell out of it acetone, I put it in a gallon ziploc (which are impervious to acetone) and then filled it with acetone and left for a few minutes. No change. After checking on it several times over a few hours, I decided to leave it in overnight. Bad idea. By morning, the flight plate had expanded, while the rim had not, making the disc look like a giant bottle cap!:eek: It was freaky lookin'. The disc 'dried out' after about a week and the flight plate actually shrank and changed the overall angle of attack on the wing of the disc such that it flew unpredictably...beyond understable. Nothing like a Monster.

The other way to get better results with Rit, is to actually grind it up farther with a mortar and pestle, but this requires gloves, a mask, a high quality porcelain mortar and pestle, and patience because it must be done slowly so as not to make a big cloud of dust. In other words...not recommended.

Rit also has to be in a slightly alkaline or neutral solution, never acidic, and always near boiling point, to work. Rit also contains salt to help attract the dye particles to organic fibers. Boiling down an acidic salt solution, increasing its concentration, and then leaving it in the pot and heating it up again is going to break down the metal.

[Kris C]

So the acetone helped. The image never turned black, but it was a dark gray, so that's alright. Thanks for all your help guys.

[Kris C]

1 more question: If your image has a VERY fine line, what is the best way to cut it? What happens if you just make a single line cut in the vinyl? Will you get a fine line, or will it bleed? Or do I need to cut out the thinnest strip of vinyl possible to get a fine line?

[TYVEK]

1 more question: If your image has a VERY fine line, what is the best way to cut it? What happens if you just make a single line cut in the vinyl? Will you get a fine line, or will it bleed? Or do I need to cut out the thinnest strip of vinyl possible to get a fine line?

you can get fine lines by making a single cut in the vinyl, but i have found that sometimes the vinyl closes up in spots so you dont get a full line. what i have done to fight that is to spread the vinyl just slightly after i put it on the disc. this works good for me.

[Scott]

I once traded someone a Pro Beast for a Pro monster and wanted to remove the sharpie marker scribbling doodle dye job that was on the top, ('monster' face):rolleyes2: and it wouldn't all come off with isoproponol. So, after wiping the hell out of it acetone, I put it in a gallon ziploc (which are impervious to acetone) and then filled it with acetone and left for a few minutes. No change. After checking on it several times over a few hours, I decided to leave it in overnight. Bad idea. By morning, the flight plate had expanded, while the rim had not, making the disc look like a giant bottle cap!:eek: It was freaky lookin'. The disc 'dried out' after about a week and the flight plate actually shrank and changed the overall angle of attack on the wing of the disc such that it flew unpredictably...beyond understable. Nothing like a Monster.


I did almost the exact same thing with a Champion Monster. After a friend put a sick dye on it, I didn't like how my name and number showed through the flight plate. Dabbing with acetone faded it, but didn't remove it, so I turned the disc upside down, filled it with acetone, and let it sit overnight.
Like you said - bad idea. Sharpie was gone, but disc is unthrowable. :headbang:

[Burge]

Here's how you can increase your chances at success with Rit:

1. Start with distilled water: Since local tap water varies widely from place to place, and you need a neutral to mildly alkaline solution, distilled is the easiest way to start from zero--actually, 7.0 or 'neutral' pH. It also eliminates the possibility of mineral content which can hinder the dying process.

2. Slightly increase the alkalinity of your solution: This can be as simple as adding a small amount of sodium bicarbonate (orange box, in the kitchen, white powder, not blow:nono::cop:unless you're buying really cheap blow:laughing:). About a teaspoon should do the trick for the average dye 'vat'. Adding more is not necessary and if your solution is too alkaline, the water can't 'carry' the dye. There are other household items that would make your water more alkaline (bleach, sodium hydroxide), but these can, and will, release toxic fumes into the air when heated--which brings us to the last part...

3. Stay near boiling point: While 'dying' a disc, use a thermometer to stay above 200F(90C), or just keep your pot at a slight simmer. Since you will have evaporation loss at constant temp, make a little scratch at the starting fluid level, of whatever concoction you've decided to go with, so that you can add distilled water as the level goes down. Constant temp will find any weak spots on your masked edge, so be sure to thoroughly burnish down the edges of your design.

Following these simple guidelines will ensure that, whatever dye job you're up to, your dye will be at it's best. Good luck, and, keep dippin'!:wink2:

[TYVEK]

3. Stay near boiling point: While 'dying' a disc, use a thermometer to stay above 200F(90C), or just keep your pot at a slight simmer. Since you will have evaporation loss at constant temp, make a little scratch at the starting fluid level, of whatever concoction you've decided to go with, so that you can add distilled water as the level goes down. Constant temp will find any weak spots on your masked edge, so be sure to thoroughly burnish down the edges of your design.

I always enjoy reading your posts on dyeing because they come from a more scientific stand point, but i would not suggest keeping the dye at the temperatures that you suggest. i have had 2 discs warped from the dye being too hot and also had a few discs that the dye sort of "burns" the disc and causes it to discolor and do funky things with any sort of bubbles that might form in an attempt to boil.

if your dye is close to the boiling point then when you place your disc in the dye it displaces some of the water/dye so that the amount of liquid between the disc and bottom of pan is less. with that being the case the liquid will start simmering or boiling because there is less liquid to heat up directly under the disc. i watched one guy pull his disc out of the dye and it looked like the surface of the moon. the bubbles from the boiling dye made weird circles on the disc so it looked like craters.

i always heat up my dye until it is steaming nicely then wait 5-10 minutes before i put the disc in now. and i have never had any more problems and the dye sets just fine in most plastics. if a person is patient enough you dont even have to heat up the dye, it just takes a day or two for each color.

[ChUcK]

Burge, is your information based upon theory or experience?

[Tim]

i would not suggest keeping the dye at the temperatures that you suggest. i have had 2 discs warped from the dye being too hot and also had a few discs that the dye sort of "burns" the disc and causes it to discolor and do funky things with any sort of bubbles that might form in an attempt to boil.


Yeah, I've seen more than a couple "toasted marshmallows" due to people keeping the dye too hot.

[Burge]

Burge, is your information based upon theory or experience?

I've dyed more fabric than discs, but what I'm telling you this is the chemical reality of Rit. My strong suggestion is that you keep the water around 180-200F as this is where the dye 'sets' into the material. This is more important for those dying DX, Pro-D and other plastics that don't want to accept direct dyes like Rit, but not so critical for clear plastics as these have a 'lattice' polymeric structure, providing plenty of places for the dye particles to become trapped. Letting a disc rest on the bottom while boiling is going to give you areas of temperature far beyond 212. That's why the one anecdotal individual had 'craters of the moon'--the steam bubbles forming on the bottom are well within the range of the melting point of the plastic. Plus, direct contact with the bottom of the pan is going to transfer heat into the disc through conduction, bypassing the buffer of convection that water provides. I made a little tripod out of chopsticks and silicone rubber bands to keep discs from touching the bottom and it worked pretty well.

[ChUcK]

Despite all the valuable vocabulary, I'm still calling shenanigans on your dye recommendations. The actions you are telling people to take are in direct opposition to what I have seen and felt with my own bare Xactos.

[Slick willie]

I take it that Obama disc crashed into a tree the first time it was out flying. HA HA HA !!!!!!!

[TYVEK]

I've dyed more fabric than discs, but what I'm telling you this is the chemical reality of Rit. My strong suggestion is that you keep the water around 180-200F as this is where the dye 'sets' into the material. This is more important for those dying DX, Pro-D and other plastics that don't want to accept direct dyes like Rit, but not so critical for clear plastics as these have a 'lattice' polymeric structure, providing plenty of places for the dye particles to become trapped. Letting a disc rest on the bottom while boiling is going to give you areas of temperature far beyond 212. That's why the one anecdotal individual had 'craters of the moon'--the steam bubbles forming on the bottom are well within the range of the melting point of the plastic. Plus, direct contact with the bottom of the pan is going to transfer heat into the disc through conduction, bypassing the buffer of convection that water provides. I made a little tripod out of chopsticks and silicone rubber bands to keep discs from touching the bottom and it worked pretty well.

i have never once had a disc resting on the bottom of the pan, that would be totally disasterous! i dont think i even mentioned any disc resting on the bottom. you dont need any device to keep your disc from touching the bottom of the pan, its like a boat. they just float there and bob around, i even put a little bit of weight in my discs so that i dont get a dye line in the middle of the edge of the disc.

i enjoy your scientific talk, but not when it is impractical in application.

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/IMG01921.jpg

[Ol' Bob]

He's got a rash on his belly button.

Nice Xacto work.

[Burge]

Okay, woah, first of all, My attempts to offer a bit more understanding about the chemical process involved in using a dye like Rit, (which IMHO is the worst fabric dye you can lay your hands on, but it's readily available and cheap) are just that: attempts to offer a bit more understanding. I'm not trying to lead anyone down some dark path of bullshit, so I think referring to my attempts as 'shenanigans' is a gross assumption on your part and a false accusation that I do not appreciate fielding.

I've already stated that my experience with Rit dye extends more into the realm of using it for it's intended purpose and not the disparate application being discussed herein. When I first looked into dyeing discs I was dubious that a fabric dye could be effective on plastic, but I gave Rit a chance on five discs before I decided that I didn't like the results for such an arduous and variable riddled process. I wanted colors that were more vibrant, so I've used solvent-resistant inks that look great, but are so dense that they behave more like paint when applied to plastic. Like I said, Rit is cheap and easy to find, so that's been the weapon of choice for most, but there are much higher quality fabric-dyes that, can be mixed in small quantities, are far more brilliant then Rit could ever hope to be, and don't require a hot vat of saltwater to work because they can be applied directly at room temp--but you can't pick them up at the grocery store so, to each his own.

Quite frankly, I think your work, ChUck, if you're using Rit exclusively, is rather impressive. I've never seen someone get such amazing three-color fades and gradients and it gives your dye jobs a one-of-a-kind look.

As for TYVEK, when you mentioned 'craters of the moon', I assumed that you were saying that the actual surface of the disc had craters, so that is why I was surmising that the disc must have been in contact with the bottom of the pan, but it is now clear to me that you were talking about the dye. The disc that I had that I made the little tripod for was a 177g gummy champ monster. I wanted the dye design to wrap all the way around the edge to the underside of the wing, which meant that it would have to be fully submerged, but I didn't want the disc to touch the bottom of the pan, so I made a little tripod and then put a heavy saucer in the middle of the disc to weigh it down, yet after the entire disc was under the surface, it remained submerged without the saucer, so yes, all discs will float, as long as they remain upside down and resting on the surface. Since virtually everyone is just dyeing the top of their discs, yes, they just float it on top, that's exactly why your friend got that pattern: as the disc rested on top, and the solution boiled, the bubbles of steam are trapped against the underside of the disc from the tension on the surface of the water and prevented the actual dye solution to come in contact with the disc for a long enough period of time. If your friend had masked off the under side of the disc and submerged it in the pot, yet had prevented it from coming in contact with the pan, the bubbles would have traveled over the surface at a much faster rate and would have had no noticeable effect on the overall look of the dye. Also, it's highly likely that is the reason why you had a few discs warp. Were they drivers? or putters? A disc with a rim that is going to reach up out of the water as it rafts on top is going to have a big temperature difference between the flight plate and the rim and, subsequently, the flight plate will expand faster than the rim and warp the disc. This could also be potentially solved by submerging the entire disc and, thereby, subjecting the entire disc to the same amount of thermal expansion and reducing the chance of distortion.

I've seen many amazing dyes posted on forums over the years and I'm never even going to consider the possibility of trying to deny that diligent individuals can achieve excellent results with Rit, but Kris' problem with getting a DX disc to accept color is an issue every dye-junkie faces at one point or another, so, silly me, I thought I'd try to re-visit an old problem and hopefully shed some new light on the process. Guess it didn't work. Bummer.

[ChUcK]

After reviewing the play, the ruling on the field stands.

Shenanigans.

[Burge]

After reviewing the play, the ruling on the field stands.

Shenanigans.

Not only is your insinuation fantastically vague, but now it is bordering upon rude.

I've made a concerted attempt to explain how you have misinterpreted the intentions of my contributions to this thread, and the best you have to offer is the same unfounded wise-crack you made earlier.

It is always so disappointing when social graces to not travel hand-in-hand with artistic ability, but I guess nobody's perfect.

[TREX]

After reviewing the play, the ruling on the field stands.

Shenanigans.

Fookin cracking me up! :rockon:

[Trozzle!!!]

I am not hatin on Chuck or Burge for their posts. Both have valid statements as far as dyeing techniques. I think all of us dye artist have our own techniques that work for us. I know Chuck does some sick ass work and has his ways of doing it. I do some great work too, and dont do it the way chuck does. I havent seen much of Burges work, but im sure you got your methods too. Cant we all just get along and continue to put out some sick artwork? I have taken a long hiatus from it, but about to get back into the game with some sick designs that will kick ass!!!!

[Tim]

Not only is your insinuation fantastically vague, but now it is bordering upon rude.

I've made a concerted attempt to explain how you have misinterpreted the intentions of my contributions to this thread, and the best you have to offer is the same unfounded wise-crack you made earlier.

It is always so disappointing when social graces to not travel hand-in-hand with artistic ability, but I guess nobody's perfect.

I think if you heard Chuck say that in person, you'd recognize the lighthearted nature of his tone.

[ChUcK]

I've made a concerted attempt to explain how you have misinterpreted the intentions of my contributions to this thread, and the best you have to offer is the same unfounded wise-crack you made earlier.

I just don't think it is necessary to further explain the shadow of doubt I have cast upon your advice. If I have kept even one dye newb from ruining her money DX Roc with your theories, then my mission is completed- its success carried entirely upon the shoulders of a single, comical word.

Shenanigans.

But let's put all this behind us. Post up some pictures of discs instead of a long post full of response. It's better for the dye community in general! :wink2:

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/CFRBoss2.jpg

[Burge]

post some picture:posting: please????:nahnah:

I already posted a picture on this thread (about 18 months ago) of the the last three 'inks' I did, but, since you whined so nicely:rolleyes2:, I'll post it again:

http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=91&d=1243408915

I call them inks because, by that time, I had already given up on Rit. I used a solvent-resistant ink made by a company called Dykem. As I mentioned before, I want brilliant colors, which can be difficult to achieve with translucent/transparent plastic and Rit. I think the Beast with the yellow eyes is a good example. Getting a bright yellow to show up on a dark blue background would be really hard to pull off with Rit. Still, the end results achieved with this method are dependent upon the type of plastic. The ink has so much pigment in it that it behaves like paint on plastics that have a high dyne value. This can be seen in different degrees on all three discs. The Pro-D force w/ the rebel warbird accepted the ink, but at a slower rate than the evaporation of the solvent in the ink, hence, the mottled look. The Beast's eyes look good, but the Champ plastic has a very high dyne and the ink pretty much stayed on the surface, but bonded. The Star plastic of the Destroyer has a lower dyne and accepted the ink completely, resulting in the best finish overall. Still, I haven't done a disc with this method (or any other disc for that matter) for almost three years as I have become far too busy with school and raising two boys to even get my own time to throw, much less ink discs.

My methods are unconventional and I don't really expect anyone to pick them up as the materials I used are hard to find and somewhat pricey, but I'll still talk about them and show you the results.

BTW: I write. I write a lot and have a lot of experience writing. My posts are usually verbose:yawn:. Get over it.:nahnah:

[Ol' Bob]

I was thinking the mottled look was a good thing.

I like to write too. Y'all got off with a short one this time.

[ChUcK]

Here's one I finished a few days ago, after working on it for over a month. I was inspired by Escher's Drawing Hands (http://www.mcescher.com/Gallery/back-bmp/LW355.jpg) lithograph, one of my favorites of his art. I took a picture of my hand in Xacto position
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1015271.jpg
and stylized it, adding in the Furioso fading to a splat of dye as a nod to The Day My Marriage Nearly Died,
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1014084.jpg


then added some vinyl and scotch tape to complete a dye autobiography of sorts.

I'm calling it "Il Proceso Furioso"
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1015283.jpg

[snap7times]

sweet... bet the missus was pisssed..

[Ol' Bob]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1014084.jpg

You really blue it that time.

[whalekillah]

I like the "attempt" to clean it.

[ChUcK]

You really blue it that time.

:slapface:

Yeah, that was an entire package of Royal Blue in about 8 oz of acetone. It dyed the vinyl floor in the blink of an eye. The sponge only spread the love around even more!

[Scott]

And that, my friends, is why I don't dye any more.

[Ol' Bob]

And that, my friends, is why I don't dye any more.

You have become an immortal. Unlike ChUcK, who dyed and went to Hell.

How's that new kitchen floor doing?

[Tim]

You have become an immortal. Unlike ChUcK, who dyed and went to Hell.

AKA, Tim's kitchen.

[Ol' Bob]

AKA, Tim's kitchen.

So, that's how it works. You see what happens, Larry?

[ChUcK]

That floor was 2 apartments ago, but the landlord was pleased with the peel n' stick replacement floor I put in. I am happy to report that since I only paint with laundry soap now I am free to dye at my place whenever. I am even allowed to keep a pan o' black Rit death on hand for dipping purposes!

[Tim]

I'm pleased as well.

[Burge]

Was I whining or just being :pullhair: w/your:headbang::smash: Yes i saw your "previously posted pictures/ inks."

Now apologize for being verbose:yawn:

Listen, commander demander, others have moved on...you should too:wink2:.

[Trozzle!!!]

I love how I started the largest thread on this forum. Even with all of us just being artists, or admirers of our work, there is still drama :)

Now quit it and post more pics!!!!

[JMan]

agreed, let's see the work guys...

[ChUcK]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1013501.jpg

This is the equivalent of the crappy rainbow screen that would suddenly show up on your TV when things at the network went awry.

"The dyed disc thread is experiencing technical difficulties. Please enjoy this Safety First Bunny Rabbit while we scramble to bring you your regularly scheduled program."

[ChUcK]

Here's a giant sensory-overload blast from the past pic to remind us all that disc dyeing is supposed to be light-hearted and fun.

Spike says "Smoke 'em if you got 'em and relax."

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/cdhgufclk/P1013505.jpg

[jshrack]

ChUcK... looks like you are about to lose a nail.

What happened? Finger in door?

[ChUcK]

I can't remember, but that was when I was working at a biodiesel plant wielding 3' pipe wrenches on a daily basis, so I suspect it was due to something relating a wrench and gravity.

Trozzle, post up a pic of a disc from the odsa thread that isn't on this one.

[Trozzle!!!]

let me find some of my older ones. not sure if they are on here or not

[Trozzle!!!]

http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/48/49/3/45/4/2954345040083031053uYLdKj_th.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2954345040083031053uYLdKj)

http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/54/54/9/42/80/2967942800083031053EGXkmR_th.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2967942800083031053EGXkmR)

http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/40/41/2/40/28/2439240280083031053UVCiGH_th.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2439240280083031053UVCiGH)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/scooby.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/Picture-2.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/01-20-09_1709.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/12-15-08_1934.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/Picture002.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

And probably one of the sickest multi color dyes I have ever seen:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/Picture001-1.jpg

[ChUcK]

Nice. Now we need someone to post up a new dye to get the dyed disc thread back on track.


Anyone?

[Kris C]

Does white dye work on a red disc? Or at all?

[ChUcK]

Rit makes a bleaching "Color Remover", but I've never tried it on a colored disc. I've never tried laundry bleach either, come to think of it.

I usually start with a white disc and just keep the appropriate parts white during the process. If you are trying to dye a specific disc, the starting color of the plastic limits your coloring options drastically. Try Rit's bleach, see if it takes any of the color out of the plastic. Discharging, I think it is called. Burge would probably know something about bleaching from fabric dyeing...

[Burge]

Burge would probably know something about bleaching from fabric dyeing...

probably...but it would have nothing to do with this.

use a white disc; dye it red, 'nuff said

[CrazyDriver]

Does anyone know a solution for dying dx discs?

I've had some good results using vinyl fabric paint; you make up the same kind of stencil and spray it on and let it dry. It works but I mostly throw premium plastic so that is what I dye.

[Kris C]

My wife was a little miffed that I haven't dyed her disc yet, so I took a pic of her tattoo and....
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/Valkyrie.jpg

[ChUcK]

edit: @ Crazy Driver:

That sounds dangerously close to a detectable thickness. Can you tell something has been painted on?

[Kris C]

[QUOTE=ChUcK;79922]edit: @ Crazy Driver:

That sounds dangerously close to a detectable thickness. Can you tell something has been painted on?[/QUOTE
Or doesn't it wear off fast?

[CrazyDriver]

[QUOTE=ChUcK;79922]edit: @ Crazy Driver:

That sounds dangerously close to a detectable thickness. Can you tell something has been painted on?[/QUOTE
Or doesn't it wear off fast?

It probably is dangerously close to detectable thickness. You can't get crazy with the paint or you will leave an edge. If you do it right, it is pretty thin and it stands up remarkably well. We tested it by painting an entire disc then threw it against some concrete. It scraped up a little but basically stayed intact. It is at least as durable as a hot stamp.

[ChUcK]

Sounds like it is about the thickness of Supercolor type printing inks. As far as I know those are PDGA legal.

[philman]

[QUOTE=Kris C;79961]

It probably is dangerously close to detectable thickness. You can't get crazy with the paint or you will leave an edge. If you do it right, it is pretty thin and it stands up remarkably well. We tested it by painting an entire disc then threw it against some concrete. It scraped up a little but basically stayed intact. It is at least as durable as a hot stamp.

Was the above pic a disc you used it on?

BTW WTH happened to Gwillim?

Chuck - You and Gwillim really inspired me to get into dyeing. Thank you for your contributions to this thread. It's taught me alot.

Your work continues to inspire and amaze me.

Some of my stuff can be seen here:

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/?action=view&current=86a4f1bf.pbw

[TYVEK]

[QUOTE=CrazyDriver;79963]

Was the above pic a disc you used it on?

BTW WTH happened to Gwillim?

Chuck - You and Gwillim really inspired me to get into dyeing. Thank you for your contributions to this thread. It's taught me alot.

Your work continues to inspire and amaze me.

Some of my stuff can be seen here:

http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/?action=view&current=86a4f1bf.pbw
WOW WOW WOW!!!!
AFTER SEEING SOME SOME OF YOUR DYES ON YOUR PHOTOBUCKET PAGE, MY JAW HIT THE FLOOR!!! :shocked: THOSE ARE JUST AWESOME!

YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO POST SOME OF THEM HERE LIKE THE SCREAMING HAND AND THAT CRAZY BLACK AND WHITE TWISTED PILLAR ONE.

your dyes are right up there with chuck and gwillims in my opinion. thank you so much for sharing these with us, we have been dying for some new dyes to look at.
KEEP UP THE GREAT DYES!!!!!
:trophy:

[philman]

[QUOTE=philman;80289]
WOW WOW WOW!!!!
AFTER SEEING SOME SOME OF YOUR DYES ON YOUR PHOTOBUCKET PAGE, MY JAW HIT THE FLOOR!!! :shocked: THOSE ARE JUST AWESOME!

YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO POST SOME OF THEM HERE LIKE THE SCREAMING HAND AND THAT CRAZY BLACK AND WHITE TWISTED PILLAR ONE.

your dyes are right up there with chuck and gwillims in my opinion. thank you so much for sharing these with us, we have been dying for some new dyes to look at.
KEEP UP THE GREAT DYES!!!!!
:trophy:

Yeah I lurked here for a long time getting my technique down before I would post. Then someone turned me on to the dye forum at DGCR and I started posting there.

I am a fan of your's as well. You're one of the first people I saw that would use Pin-up type art/girls in their dyes. Definitely gave me some inspiration.

[Mikk]

OMG philman thats some sick dye jobs!! I'd love it if you could do a dye job of my Datsun 280z hood emblem on my 159 Japan open star destroyer...

[philman]

OMG philman thats some sick dye jobs!! I'd love it if you could do a dye job of my Datsun 280z hood emblem on my 159 Japan open star destroyer...

Hey thanks man appreciate it.

I sent you a PM about your request.

[Trozzle!!!]

Damn Philoman. I thought I did good dyes, but I have lots to work on after seeing those :cheers:

[ChUcK]

I hate to jump on bandwagons, but your dyes are as good as any I've seen, philman. You have any secret techniques you'd like to make not so secret?

[philman]

[QUOTE=TYVEK;80297]

Yeah I lurked here for a long time getting my technique down before I would post. Then someone turned me on to the dye forum at DGCR and I started posting there.

I am a fan of your's as well. You're one of the first people I saw that would use Pin-up type art/girls in their dyes. Definitely gave me some inspiration.

TYVEK I think I had you confused with TREX. There's so many good dyers here it's hard to keep them straight.

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/Flick3.jpg

[Kris C]

I just realized how blurry the pic is. Less coffee for me I suppose...

[philman]

I just realized how blurry the pic is. Less coffee for me I suppose...

Yeah that's a popular stencil. Love that design.

[philman]

I hate to jump on bandwagons, but your dyes are as good as any I've seen, philman. You have any secret techniques you'd like to make not so secret?

Thanks ChUcK I was a big follower of your's back in my early dyeing days. The video you and Tim did was one of the best tutorials out there. I'm glad you guys decided to share your knowledge. It was a huge help to me and alot of other dyers.

My techniques are pretty straight forward. I use Rit and Water heated in a teflon frying pan on the stove for 1 - 2 color jobs. I use Acetone + Rit for jobs that require multicolors with other than a black base. I'm not very scientific so I just heat my dye till it's got just a hint of steam (not sure what the actual temperature is) . For true color I leave it at minimum of 20 minutes. For Acetone + Rit I Brush it on leave it for 10 minutes rinse and repeat until I have the desired shade.

I think the most important thing is prep. I am very anal about my weeding and transfer. I make sure that everything is smooth and centered before I apply. I have a light table I use to make sure things are centered. Then I spend alot of time getting all the air bubbles out of the vinyl.
I also use an intermediate (5-6 year) vinyl similar to Oracal 651. I can't remember the name off hand but I found a sign supply shop here and I can get it for 24" x 10yds for about $22.

Most of my techniques are things I learned from You and Tim and Gwillim and others by reading this board and improving upon personal experience. If you have specific questions feel free to PM me and I will answer anything thing I can.

[TREX]

Sweet ass dyes man. Your technique is perfect.

I see like me you are using a plotter, I don't know what I would do without it. I also saw a few graphics you have done that I have ready to do but have not gotten to them yet. Also one in there the tribal eagle circle that I have also done. That was a tough mofo. Nice job on it. :rockon:

[captain jack]

I miss the old ODSA dye thread, there was alot of good info there. I wish somebody could have archived it.

Since alll you old timers seem to be lurking here now, does anyone remember the guy who was doing the insane shading work that looked like Japanese art, with waves and stuff ?

I just was wondering what happened to him because I never see anything like his work now.

[philman]

Sweet ass dyes man. Your technique is perfect.

I see like me you are using a plotter, I don't know what I would do without it. I also saw a few graphics you have done that I have ready to do but have not gotten to them yet. Also one in there the tribal eagle circle that I have also done. That was a tough mofo. Nice job on it. :rockon:

Thanks TREX. You're right I am using a plotter. I was a landscaper for 10 years before I went to work with computers all day so my hands tend to get pretty cramped. Hand cutting for me is literally painful. I also get alot of dye work here from the local shops and players ( I'm 20 deep right now) so it makes getting discs and tournament stamps out easier. Right now I'm grateful to have it because it's pumpkin carving season and by the time I spend 4 hours carving two pumpkins I can barely hold a frisbee much less an Xacto. I do have great respect for people that continue to hand cut.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/IMAG0024.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/ET.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/IMAG0033.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/IMAG0031.jpg

[mazza]

philman what area u live in????

i got something i want dye on to a z nuke

[Tim]

Nobody's commented on philman's pumpkins? Those are sweet! I'd have to go with Darth Maul as my favorite, but that might be due to my Star Wars fetish. Did you use a plotter? :D

[mazza]

th E.T one gots my vote

[philman]

philman what area u live in????

i got something i want dye on to a z nuke

I'm in Cincinnati,OH. So I'm pretty far away. I wouldn't mind doing a dye for you but you have alot of talented dyers in that area that I'm sure would do as good a job as me.

[philman]

Nobody's commented on philman's pumpkins? Those are sweet! I'd have to go with Darth Maul as my favorite, but that might be due to my Star Wars fetish. Did you use a plotter? :D

Jeez I wish a plotter could cut through pumpkin. My hands cramp up just getting the design transferred onto the pumpkin. My three little girls help me get all the guts out. I carved 8 this year, at about 2 hours average per pumpkin. Halloween is my X-MAS. I'll try to get some better pics up closer to halloween I was shooting these with my Droid Incredible and although it has an 8MP camera it doesn't do the best night shots.

[TREX]

I hold all pumpkin comments back out of jealousy, pure and simple. My pumpkin carvings look ready for a Charlie brown special. =]

[philman]

This is a Clear Gateway Warlock fresh out of the pan.

He wanted a huge grinning predator. Hopefully he finds this to his liking.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/IMAG0037.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Love it!!!

On a side note. did you get on this forum from OH to make us NW dye artists look bad? hahaha

Sick work dude!!! :cheers:

[philman]

Love it!!!

On a side note. did you get on this forum from OH to make us NW dye artists look bad? hahaha

Sick work dude!!! :cheers:

Nah. I found this forum last year when I was learning. I read every post from the beginning.

I had never posted till the other day when I was asking about Gwillim.

As far as I'm concerned you guys are the godfathers of dyeing. I learned most of what I know here. I've tried to spread it on in the midwest.

I remember trying to get info on the PDGA boards years ago and those guys were real tight lipped with their info.

Either way thanks for he kind words. Your work is very nice. You do the most multicolors I have seen although ChUcK looks like he's really starting to perfect his craft in that regard as well. I hope to get into some multi color shading going forward. I'm just trying to get my painting mixtures right.

[Trozzle!!!]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/Picture001-1.jpg

This dye used the most different colors. 12 unique colors, and a couple mixing of colors. This one used many colors too:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/horrordisc.jpg

I normally dont consider a disc multicolored unless it uses more than 3 or so. I will never say I am the best at anything, but as far as multicolors go though, I have done some of the sickest work posted yet, but I know others can do just as good as me.

[Mikk]

I see: jigsaw, freddie, jason, pinhead, chuckie, myers, and Texas chainsaw massacre?? super freeky!!
Man do I have to learn to dye!!
Howbout the Phantasm ball of death??

[Trozzle!!!]

Here is another one of my old dyes I found a pic of

http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/46437/2967942800083031053S600x600Q85.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2967942800083031053EGXkmR)

[Trozzle!!!]

Just started working on a couple new sick ass masterpieces tonight. Havent dyed for many months. Great feeling to have a Sharpie in my hand again :)

[jevon]

Since alll you old timers seem to be lurking here now, does anyone remember the guy who was doing the insane shading work that looked like Japanese art, with waves and stuff ?

I just was wondering what happened to him because I never see anything like his work now.
I remember that guy. He was on the westside of Portland but moved to the Midwest I think. Very nice work.

[Trozzle!!!]

For the life of me, I cant remember the guys name. He lived in Beaverton, near Lunchtime I think?

[Trozzle!!!]

Jet had a dye done by him. She said his name is Mark Canty, but cant remember his username

[Trozzle!!!]

Gonna have my first one ready for the dye tomorrow :)

[Trozzle!!!]

ok not ready. didnt have enough detail to make me happy, so had to add more. here is a preview

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-02-10_1852.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

As far as I'm concerned you guys are the godfathers of dyeing. I learned most of what I know here. I've tried to spread it on in the midwest.

I remember trying to get info on the PDGA boards years ago and those guys were real tight lipped with their info.



I have seen the PDGA dye disc thread and other forums with dyeing sections. Lots of good work on there, but I would have to say the best I have ever seen were from us NW artists :)

[Trozzle!!!]

very crappy pic. both of my cameras suck ass! But, here is my latest.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-02-10_2304.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Looks much better in person!!!

[whalekillah]

My son is a Crazy, and I mean crazy, ICP fan. Have any of you ever done any dyes with ICP as a theme, and would you be willing to do one for me. It would make an amazing christmas present. Let me know if anyone is interested, and I can ship out a disc for anyone to work on. He has worked really hard in school this year and deserves a cool Christmas present.....any one up to the task?:biggrin2:

[Trozzle!!!]

I wont claim to be A juggalo, but I do love ICP. let me know what you want done and I will see if I can do it.

[whalekillah]

pm sent

[philman]

very crappy pic. both of my cameras suck ass! But, here is my latest.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-02-10_2304.jpg

Looks really good man. I just found out today that I won a dyers contest on DGCR.

This is the disc that won:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/953def6c.jpg

Glowing:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/PumpkinMan.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Congrats. sweet disc for sure.

[ChUcK]

Have any of you ever done any dyes with ICP as a theme

you mean like a dye that is such a hard-core feces-flinger that it is embarrassed to have found God yet can't help making a video wherein magnets are claimed to be fuckin' miracles?

No. No, I have not. I'm even surprised to hear you touting your son's Juggalo-ness on a dye forum. I think a self-help forum would be more appropriate for nihilistic aberrations like Juggalos.

[DMajor]

you mean like a dye that is such a hard-core feces-flinger that it is embarrassed to have found God yet can't help making a video wherein magnets are claimed to be fuckin' miracles?

No. No, I have not. I'm even surprised to hear you touting your son's Juggalo-ness on a dye forum. I think a self-help forum would be more appropriate for nihilistic aberrations like Juggalos.

Don't worry.

Chuck is still mad about Tila Tequila.

[whalekillah]

@ Chuck. He doesn't get into the nihilistic bullshit that the band talks about. For some reason he actually LIKES their music. Thanks for giving me your opinion, as always the things that you post are SOLID GOLD!

[ChUcK]

Man, I woke up on the wrong side of the rat maze today, I retract any statements about sons but stand fast with my opinions of ICP. I actually never even cared about them one way or another until I heard the "and I don't want to talk to a scientist, y'all mofo's lying, and getting me pissed" line in their latest song and now all I see is red when I think about those clowns.

Also, we all have some pretty craptastic tastes in music so I'm sure your son is just as normal as everyone else.

That reminds me of something Seinfeld once said about clowns- "The worst part about being a clown is how everybody always refers to you as a clown."

[philman]

@ Chuck. He doesn't get into the nihilistic bullshit that the band talks about. For some reason he actually LIKES their music. Thanks for giving me your opinion, as always the things that you post are SOLID GOLD!

Agreed - Solid Gold. BTW if your son ever gets into GWAR I could definitely rock a mean GWAR dye.

[whalekillah]

Agreed - Solid Gold. BTW if your son ever gets into GWAR I could definitely rock a mean GWAR dye.

He isn't into GWAR but I am, I have seen(and lived) through there slaughter of the putrid humans every time they come through the Portland area. I don't think its the music, I think its the crappy theatrics that keep me coming back time and again.
@ Philman: I would love to throw a GWAR disc. Let me know, and I can get a disc shipped to you a.s.a.p.

And before everyone flames me for bad musical taste, I know, I know.:blush:

[TYVEK]

All right, i know that we all do some really cool dyes here in the northwest, but you ALL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LINK. im sure someof you have already seen it, but for those who havent there are some incredible dyes for the contest that Philman just won.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23336

[philman]

All right, i know that we all do some really cool dyes here in the northwest, but you ALL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LINK. im sure someof you have already seen it, but for those who havent there are some incredible dyes for the contest that Philman just won.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23336

That's the contest thread to the dyers contest I just won. There are definitely some good dyers there. I know ChUcK visits that forum from time to time.

[philman]

He isn't into GWAR but I am, I have seen(and lived) through there slaughter of the putrid humans every time they come through the Portland area. I don't think its the music, I think its the crappy theatrics that keep me coming back time and again.
@ Philman: I would love to throw a GWAR disc. Let me know, and I can get a disc shipped to you a.s.a.p.

And before everyone flames me for bad musical taste, I know, I know.:blush:

Let me find a good design and maybe I'll take you up on that. Might be a couple of weeks, I'm A-hole deep in dyes right now.

[whalekillah]

Sure, let me know when you get inspired and I will send you a disc.

[Trozzle!!!]

Next one I am working on right now is an optical illusion dye. I know optical illusions are meant to mess with your eyes, but try dyeing one. Drawing one and cutting it out sucks ass. Staring at an optical illusion non stop for hours at a time!!! My eyes are tripping balls, lol. who needs drugs, just dye these things :)

[Kris C]

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/Starfire.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Nice dye Kris. I love the message in it

[Kris C]

Thanks Trozzle. Hey guys, how do you do the "marbled look" dye?

[Trozzle!!!]

I have not perfected the marble look yet. have done a couple where it turned out ok, but def not an expert on it yet. I think it has to do with painting on colors, lets say red, orange and yellow, and letting them barely mix in to each other.

[Trozzle!!!]

Trying hard to get my optical illusion in to the dye tonight. only have 10 more of the repeating pattern to cut out, but damn my eyes!!! hahaha

[Trozzle!!!]

This one kinda came out with a marbled look, but not really. I used the vinyl to keep the clear parts clear, and used elmers glue to mask off to make the splotches in it.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/12-08-08_0006.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

ok my latest is sitting in a nice warm bath of RIT right now :) So tired of the drawing and cutting, lol

[Trozzle!!!]

oh yeah, lookin sick. gonna let it soak a bit more and call it good :)

[dcnewt2]

I've gotten the best "marbled" look from using crumpled up grocery bags. You put a layer of crumpled up bags in the bottom of a pan. Pour the hot dye over the bags. Set the disc down onto the bags, and then add weight to the disc to compress the bags and dye. I have gotten some really sweet looking dyes out of that method. I've found it is a good way to spruce up cheap plastic too. I had a white dx wraith that I did a royal blue marble on, and it was sweeeeet!!

[Trozzle!!!]

Sounds like a decent technique for sure.

[Kris C]

I've got one in the bath now - similar method. I crumpled up a bunch of saran wrap balls and then saran wrapped them onto the disc. Poked holes all over the top and dropped the disc. I'll let ya know how it works.

[Trozzle!!!]

peeling the masking off my disc now. looking sick!

[Trozzle!!!]

ok got it done :)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-04-10_2138.jpg

[philman]

I've done a couple of marbled one's. I had pretty good results with saran wrap.

Stage 1 first color

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/4c1fcced.jpg

Stage 2 2nd color
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/3544e7d7.jpg

Stage 3 final image
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/fe2f2a62-1.jpg

[philman]

I rolled out a couple last night for the shop I dye for.


Spider
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0049.jpg
Glow Z Nuke
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0050-1.jpg
Striker
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0051.jpg
Z Flash
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0048.jpg

[TREX]

Heya Mikk here is your red mushroom

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/redshroom.jpg

I was going to use tan on the stem but wasn't sure how that would look on clear. I thought it wouldn't look very good so I let it alone. I have noticed in the past that clear discs have to have dark colors to look good. Tan would have been to bland and light of a color for clear plastic.

[Kris C]

@ Philman - Did you do yours the way I posted above that I was trying? BTW mine didn't work out so hot, but that's probably 'cause I was just trying it out on a beat to hell DX disc.

[Mikk]

Heya Mikk here is your red mushroom

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii4/rexter1971/Dyes/redshroom.jpg

I was going to use tan on the stem but wasn't sure how that would look on clear. I thought it wouldn't look very good so I let it alone. I have noticed in the past that clear discs have to have dark colors to look good. Tan would have been to bland and light of a color for clear plastic.

Damn I can't view the pic here at work(internut police again)!! I'll check it out tonight whenever comcast gets me my new modem...
I just checked my e-mail(i can view pix there) and WOW its sweeeeet lookin!! Thanks TREX!!

[Trozzle!!!]

whalekillah. I received the disc today, found a great image and beginning work on the ICP disc right now :) Your boy will love it!!!

[Hippy007]

Glow Z Nuke
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0050-1.jpg


I so want something like this on the Crystal Z Buzzz i just got. it is a clear disc

Hippy007
:cool2:

[Trozzle!!!]

whalekillah. I received the disc today, found a great image and beginning work on the ICP disc right now :) Your boy will love it!!!

Hope you dont mind a free 4 color dye for your boys X Mas present :)

[whalekillah]

Abso-freakin' lutely!!! Cant wait to see it. I don't get his musical taste, but this X-mas present is gonna freak him out!! Thanks Again!!

[mazza]

any one wanna take a crack at this image

[Trozzle!!!]

No thanks, haha

[mazza]

No thanks, haha

now u do know it does not have to be those colors

[ChUcK]

:laughing:

[Trozzle!!!]

Dont tempt me Mazza. I am crazy enough to possibly give it a shot, hahaha

[Trozzle!!!]

Abso-freakin' lutely!!! Cant wait to see it. I don't get his musical taste, but this X-mas present is gonna freak him out!! Thanks Again!!


Ugh! I messed up the dye big time :) I owe you one!!















J/K its coming along nicely :)

[whalekillah]

Ha Ha...nice heart attack!! Thanks. I needed that.

[Kris C]

Glowing:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/PumpkinMan.jpg

How do you take a good pic of a glow disc? I dyed a Glo Valk, but I can't get a good pic of it glowing. :explode: My camera's a pretty good one...

[Kris C]

This is the best pic I could get.
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GloValkyriedark.jpg

[philman]

@ Philman - Did you do yours the way I posted above that I was trying? BTW mine didn't work out so hot, but that's probably 'cause I was just trying it out on a beat to hell DX disc.

For the one in the picture I took balls of Saran Wrap and put them on the surface of the disc. I then wrapped the whole thing up with Saran Wrap. I then poked small holes in the outer layer of saran wrap ( this allows dye to seep in.) I then heated my dye up as normal. I use a deeper lidded skillet for this method because it holds more dye. I then float my disc like normal. I have to use the deeper pan and more dye to keep my Saran Wrap from touching bottom and melting. I then let it sit for about 15-20 minutes. This method gets the truest color for me. It wastes a little bit of dye and I use rubber surgical gloves and wring out the the saran wrap quite a bit to get any trapped dye out.

[philman]

How do you take a good pic of a glow disc? I dyed a Glo Valk, but I can't get a good pic of it glowing. :explode: My camera's a pretty good one...

I had a friend with a pretty decent camera, take the picture from a tripod. That picture was actually taken outside during a glow tournament. I borrowed a portable black light and got the disc glowing pretty good then we snapped the picture.

[Kris C]

So a blacklight makes it glow brighter than a regular light?

[Uhlman]

So a blacklight makes it glow brighter than a regular light?
Short answer is yes... you could also try a longer exposure time (like 1 second), larger aperture setting, or both. You could also try using a faster ISO (ASA).

[Kris C]

Thanks Uhlman. I'll try that tonight.

[Trozzle!!!]

Hey Whalekilla. the disc will be done soon, aka tonight. can i post it on here and FB? or does your son get on here and there?

[mazza]

Dont tempt me Mazza. I am crazy enough to possibly give it a shot, hahaha


DO IT i double dog dare u....when its done....post it...and let me know ur price...i might even drive down to pick it up personally...(i'll make it wroth it to ya)

[Trozzle!!!]

I am seriously considering it Mazza ;) I ran out of recent dyes to do, so may give it a go!!!

If I do it and you want it, you may have to come pick it up, and play my Fave course. Hagg of course :)

[whalekillah]

Hey Whalekilla. the disc will be done soon, aka tonight. can i post it on here and FB? or does your son get on here and there?

He never gets on here. Post away!!!:rockon:

[Trozzle!!!]

will do in a lil bit. check back soon :)

[Trozzle!!!]

ok here is the final dye for Whalekilla's ICP lovin son's Christmas present. Im sure he will enjoy it. I did make a couple mistakes, but looks pretty good I think.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-08-10_2018.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Gonna go for it Mazza!!!!

[whalekillah]

Awesome!!!

[mazza]

ok here is the final dye for Whalekilla's ICP lovin son's Christmas present. Im sure he will enjoy it. I did make a couple mistakes, but looks pretty good I think.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/11-08-10_2018.jpg

WOW....just sick....reminds me of when i was a " juggalo"

[Trozzle!!!]

yeah turned out ok, your kid should love it

[philman]

Been slammed with requests lately. Here's a few I rolled out:

Champ Katana
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0053.jpg

Z Surge
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0054.jpg

Soft Ion (in my bag)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0055.jpg

Opto Striker (Ironic it's Jesus on a Striker)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0056.jpg

ESP Buzz

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0058.jpg

Z Nuke

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/Militant666/Frisbee%20Art/IMAG0057.jpg

[douglaselvis]

That ESP Buzz is fantastic!

[Trozzle!!!]

You are using a plotter right? Thats cheating!!! j/k. I wish I had one. I do everything by hand now, and can only imagine the sickness I could do with one :)

[dcnewt2]

Hey Trozzle - I am amazed at the sickness you are able to achieve free hand. It's an art.

[TYVEK]

Hey Trozzle - I am amazed at the sickness you are able to achieve free hand. It's an art.

this post sounds like Trozzle started up another acount under a different name. :laughing::shocked:

[dcnewt2]

haha - nope - just a fan of these guys on here. They inspired me to dye, and for that I am grateful.

[TYVEK]

yeah i knew it wasnt really him, but i just couldnt help myself from posting that. lets see some of your dyes!

[Kris C]

With all the posts talking about Trozzle's sickness, I thought he was coming down with a cold!

[Trozzle!!!]

I do have a little bit of a cold goin on, thanks for the concern, lol

[whalekillah]

He has a fever...a fever for RIT DYE!!!!

[Trozzle!!!]

you will see tomorrow in person how my Rit fever led to one of your sons Christmas presents :)

[Trozzle!!!]

any one wanna take a crack at this image

The drawing part is almost done, just have to get a white star disc and decide what colors to dye where, but its gonna happen Mazza. Get your gas money ready, you are gonna drive down here, play Hagg, an dpick up the sick ass dye you dared someone to do!!!!

[mazza]

The drawing part is almost done, just have to get a white star disc and decide what colors to dye where, but its gonna happen Mazza. Get your gas money ready, you are gonna drive down here, play Hagg, an dpick up the sick ass dye you dared someone to do!!!!

done deal....and good thing its gonna be innova plastic.....i wont have to worry about losing it

[Kris C]

TomW's Glow Orc
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GlowOrc.jpg

[philman]

TomW's Glow Orc
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GlowOrc.jpg

Nice and clean looks good.

[philman]

You are using a plotter right? Thats cheating!!! j/k. I wish I had one. I do everything by hand now, and can only imagine the sickness I could do with one :)

It's only cheating when I have an order for 30 prize discs for a tournament. LOL I bought my plotter after hand cutting for about a month. I started getting so many orders and requests it paid for itself in about 2 weeks. (Bought a cheap one on Ebay from USCutter) However, doing really intricate designs requires mad patience when weeding.

Props on the hand cutting Trozz you do good work. I'm glad I have my plotter though, I am about 20 discs deep again. I just bought an airbrush too for some experimentation. Hopefully I'll start turning out some really sweet stuff soon.

[Trozzle!!!]

I really wish i could find a nice, but cheap one.

[Will of Doom]

It's only cheating when I have an order for 30 prize discs for a tournament. LOL I bought my plotter after hand cutting for about a month. I started getting so many orders and requests it paid for itself in about 2 weeks. (Bought a cheap one on Ebay from USCutter) However, doing really intricate designs requires mad patience when weeding.

Props on the hand cutting Trozz you do good work. I'm glad I have my plotter though, I am about 20 discs deep again. I just bought an airbrush too for some experimentation. Hopefully I'll start turning out some really sweet stuff soon.

I've seen some of your dyes. Plotter or not you do quality work. One of these days when your not so busy I may order a few from you. :D

[whalekillah]

@ Trozzle---Heres one....even though I don't think you need it!!! It might save on some of those razor cuts though

http://cgi.ebay.com/USCutter-MH365-12-vinyl-plotter-cutter-/290500288633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a32aa079

[ChUcK]

No way Troy, don't listen to them. Keep it real like Paul Bunyan vs. The Chainsaw

[Trozzle!!!]

If I ever did get one, I wouldnt use it on every dye. I would have to keep it old school at times as well.

[Trozzle!!!]

Just wondering if any of you with a plotter know if one of those Cricut cutters will cut vinyl? It looks great for some uses, but dont know if it work on vinyl.

[tomw]

TomW's Glow Orc
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GlowOrc.jpg

Kris that is AMAZING, THANK YOU , TW

[philman]

Just wondering if any of you with a plotter know if one of those Cricut cutters will cut vinyl? It looks great for some uses, but dont know if it work on vinyl.

I know a couple of people that use them, but for what you pay for one of those, you can get a half decent 24" from USCutter. I got mine from USCutter's Ebay store for $200. That's just about what a Cricut or Graphtec Craft Robo would cost. With a 24" I can cut 2 designs at a time which is nice for those tournament jobs.

[The Course Bro]

Check out what I won on Ebay!!!!
Really? (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=260690015787&si=%252BMYQZQdtSIlaADEkYyKHI0vlx9I%253D&viewitem=#ht_500wt_1156)

[ChUcK]

...

[TYVEK]

so uhh wait a sec, ChUck, did somebody buy that of you and then resell it on ebay, or is that just you selling it on ebay?

[philman]

so uhh wait a sec, ChUck, did somebody buy that of you and then resell it on ebay, or is that just you selling it on ebay?

Or did you lose it and someone found it and sold it?

[ChUcK]

I haven't dyed for cash in years. That piece was hand-designed, -drawn, -cut, and -dyed for a specific individual who is not the person who sold it on eBay. That means he must have traded it away or something.

Not the best dye out there but I worked on that design for weeks. I re-drew the nutsack innumerable times, just so it would be perfect.

Bro, do me a favor and destroy that disc. I'll find you a new star wraith to replace it. Flip Video of it ablaze and turning into blackened puddles of liquid polymer will do nicely.

[The Course Bro]

I haven't dyed for cash in years. That piece was hand-designed, -drawn, -cut, and -dyed for a specific individual who is not the person who sold it on eBay. That means he must have traded it away or something.

Not the best dye out there but I worked on that design for weeks. I re-drew the nutsack innumerable times, just so it would be perfect.

Bro, do me a favor and destroy that disc. I'll find you a new star wraith to replace it. Flip Video of it ablaze and turning into blackened puddles of liquid polymer will do nicely.

Really? I really was excited to win that sucker!! What other methods of destruction would you be interested in- besides the one that is the most toxic!!!

[ChUcK]

No destruction. I'm just having an off day and saying things I don't really mean. Sigh.

[Ol' Bob]

No destruction.

Put it off until tomorrow.

...and ya tell me
over and over and over again
ah, ya don't believe
we're on the eve of destruction...

[philman]

This does bring up an interesting topic. I've never purposely destroyed a disc, but I if I absolutely had to, I think I would use my shotgun on one. I have a pretty mean pistol grip mossberg 12 guage that would really level a disc.

[Ol' Bob]

I kill one or two discs a year with my mower.

Yes, some of it has been CE. I got a dyed one once too.

[Kris C]

Toms Orc with a blacklight behind me
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/OrcDark.jpg

The blacklight made a HUGE difference!
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GlowOrcdrak.jpg

Better shot of my Valk.
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/DSCF0928.jpg

[Trozzle!!!]

Starting to like the idea of a machine more and more with my latest dye. cut my finger 3 times already holding this damn razor blade in my hand. no I dont use a pen knife, just hold a blade in my hand.

[Trozzle!!!]

Cuts are done with this one, its on the dye now :)

[mazza]

Cuts are done with this one, its on the dye now :)

so before i get my car rdy for the trip.....torzz where in the hell r u ....i'm thinkin ur down in oregon??? let me know....gonna start the tune up this weekend

[whalekillah]

The blood will be rewarded.

[tomw]

Toms Orc with a blacklight behind me
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/OrcDark.jpg

The blacklight made a HUGE difference!
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/GlowOrcdrak.jpg

Better shot of my Valk.
http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af134/mightymousekc/DSCF0928.jpg

Kris that disc looks SWEET all lite up!! Cant wait to get ahold of it, Thx again:o
(pm)

[TYVEK]

Starting to like the idea of a machine more and more with my latest dye. cut my finger 3 times already holding this damn razor blade in my hand. no I dont use a pen knife, just hold a blade in my hand.

why do hold the blade in your hand? ive tried that a little just to experiment and found that i lost alot of precision that i had with a regular exacto. with the 360 exacto i have even gotten greater precision with my lines and cuts. just seems to me if your actually cutting yourself while trying to cut the vinyl, thats not really worth it. no amount of your own blood makes the design any cooler.

[TYVEK]

so before i get my car rdy for the trip.....torzz where in the hell r u ....i'm thinkin ur down in oregon??? let me know....gonna start the tune up this weekend

wouldnt that be just awesome if ended up being in like kentucky or some way far away place!!!!! :biggrin2: with you being all ready to just hop in and drive! :jumpspin::biggrin2:

[Trozzle!!!]

Mazza. I am in Hillsboro. about 22 mins from Hornings Hideout. The disc I am dyeing now isnt the Ganja one. that is still in the drawing phase. This one is a glow disc with Vic Rattlehead on it, looking great.

I get more precision when i hold just a blade in my hand. I have tried exacto's and pen knifes. doesnt have the right feel in my hand.

[Uhlman]

Mazza. I am in Hillsboro. about 22 mins from Hornings Hideout. The disc I am dyeing now isnt the Ganja one. that is still in the drawing phase. This one is a glow disc with Vic Rattlehead on it, looking great.

I get more precision when i hold just a blade in my hand. I have tried exacto's and pen knifes. doesnt have the right feel in my hand.
Have you thought about wearing a glove on the parts of your hand not holding the blade? Say, modifying a latex impregnated jersey glove as those are fairly cut resistant. Also with a sharper blade you are less likely to cut yourself (but probably already knew that).

[mazza]

wouldnt that be just awesome if ended up being in like kentucky or some way far away place!!!!! :biggrin2: with you being all ready to just hop in and drive! :jumpspin::biggrin2:

my wife is from kentucky....so it would end up being a vaction

[mazza]

why do hold the blade in your hand? ive tried that a little just to experiment and found that i lost alot of precision that i had with a regular exacto. with the 360 exacto i have even gotten greater precision with my lines and cuts. just seems to me if your actually cutting yourself while trying to cut the vinyl, thats not really worth it. no amount of your own blood makes the design any cooler.

may not be cooler....but more pricer

[ChUcK]

Starting to like the idea of a machine more and more with my latest dye. cut my finger 3 times already holding this damn razor blade in my hand. no I dont use a pen knife, just hold a blade in my hand.

I take back what I said. You're not Paul Bunyan with an axe, you're a damn caveman! :biggrin2: Ever thought of just using a chisel like those Maori tattoo artists?

The Paul Bunyan position is available only to those who have mastered the art of using utensils.

I can see a few benefits to your method, though- when the blade gets dull you can just snap off the end and viola, a new blade. I can also believe the extra precision argument, but once you got used to a pen-type razor I'm sure you'd find no difference in the degree of detail achieved.