Captain's Meeting Discussion Topics

[Darr]

So from what I gather after reading the thread on the rules. The ones sitting on the table needing hashed out seem to be.

- Doubles, stay or go? A majority of posters suported the survival of doubles as do I. The conversation seemed to focus on The new Cali rule. I would expect dubs to stay, but still expect to discuss this at the meeting.

- The new CALI rule. "the CALI player get two throws from each lie" Was met with support from both sides. Either in favor of giving the CALI player an advantage by keeping the rule, or in favor of giving the "true" doubles team the advantage by changing the rule to "one extra throw per hole, 2 on par 4, etc.
Expect to discuss this at the meeting.

- The replacement rule. Not yet drafted into the rules, I heard a lot about this rule last year. I think it would be best to nail down a serious definition of this rule to keeep the harmony. Expect to discuss this at the meeting.

Our team is all about the fun. We don't think it's fun to have a team lose a member and be penalized the rest of the season for it. Obviously there should be a limit on transactions, twice? Maybe some kind of point penalty based on the reason the person bailed?

- Courses While Jordan has set the schedule I am sure there will be a short discussion on distance in relation/length of drive. The Commish could nip this discussion right now but, expect to discuss this at the meeting.

-Finals scenarios A lot of discussion has brewed over this.

So to recap,

-Doubles
-New CALI rule
-Replacement Rule
-Courses
-Finals scenarios

Pretty much everything will be answered and discussed at the captain's meeting. I think the best way to keep things organized will be for everyone to add to the list of discussion topics. All captains (players make your captains aware if they don't frequent the boards) should make notes on the disussion topics so there will be more focused discussion.

I will be happy to help the commish by taking notes and assisting with organizing all you crazies at the meeting (myself included).

Please don't fill this thread with arguments just discussion TOPICS thanks. :yay:

[Wes Hansen]

I'll be a new captain, so I'll be unusually quiet during the meeting!
After reading Darr's post my limited thoughts (have at that one!) are...
Doubles- I hope it stays. Playing doubles will be a big part of the fun of a team with lots of family members.
Cali- Perhaps a rating cutoff for whether a player gets 1 extra throw or two throws from each lie. It's never seemed fair an 850 player and 1000 rated have the same throws.
Replacement- 2-3x after the Capt's mtg to end of season? If we all use ratings to play, is there any reason not to allow replacements?
That's all I have. For now.

I can't wait to play TDG again!

[Darr]

No other topics?

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I want to discuss whether the 5th singles match should be mandatory or not (Jonesy brought it up first).

If it's mandatory then every team member is expected to show every weekend and play both rounds. Some people feel that this goes against one of the advantages of having seven team members, which is that if a team fields 6 players the most it'll lose is one point: the seven-player bonus. If the 5th singles is mandatory then your team could lose 3 points total: one for the seven-player bonus, and two for forfeiting the 5th singles match both rounds.

There were quite a few matches last year when Putt This did field seven players and the person who only played one round was glad to be able to go home early (or show up late). On the other hand I like having both rounds count for all team members who show up.

On the whole I like making it mandatory. It's worth trying for one season at least.

[keith_shupp]

I want to discuss whether the 5th singles match should be mandatory or not (Jonesy brought it up first).

If it's mandatory then every team member is expected to show every weekend and play both rounds. Some people feel that this goes against one of the advantages of having seven team members, which is that if a team fields 6 players the most it'll lose is one point: the seven-player bonus. If the 5th singles is mandatory then your team could lose 3 points total: one for the seven-player bonus, and two for forfeiting the 5th singles match both rounds.

There were quite a few matches last year when Putt This did field seven players and the person who only played one round was glad to be able to go home early (or show up late). On the other hand I like having both rounds count for all team members who show up.

On the whole I like making it mandatory. It's worth trying for one season at least.

I cant believe im going to agree with Jeff on this one but I agree so lets try it.

[Celeste]

Did we have 2 singles and 2 doubles each round last year? What is the purpose of only having 1 doubles match each round. I know on our team everyone likes to play the dubs. Is that a topic Darr? I guess the other related topic would be the must play singles to be eligible for doubles. Still a rule? (yes, I could look it up)

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Did we have 2 singles and 2 doubles each round last year? What is the purpose of only having 1 doubles match each round. I know on our team everyone likes to play the dubs. Is that a topic Darr?
Since Jordan has run things, and maybe longer, the format has been 4 singles and 1 doubles each round (6 players). He is proposing adding a 5th singles match each round so that all 7 players can/should play both rounds.

I guess the other related topic would be the must play singles to be eligible for doubles. Still a rule? (yes, I could look it up)Yes, it's definitely still a rule.

[Sausage Fingers]

Since Jordan has run things, and maybe longer, the format has been 4 singles and 1 doubles each round (6 players). He is proposing adding a 5th singles match each round so that all 7 players can/should play both rounds.

The first year the whole team played dubs in the morning and singles in the afternoon...:pirate:

[jevon]

I like playing dubs but I think its too hard to handicap fairly enough to warrant two dubs and only 3 singles.

How's about this idea: match play!

Make the fifth singles match a match play format or even two singles. Three singles stroke play, two singles match play, and one doubles. That could be fun. Could the handicap work the same? Not sure if it would be fair if someone have to give 19 strokes/holes on an 18 hole course...:whistler:

Just think about the new strategies that could unfold!

[Darr]

UPDATED
-Doubles
-New CALI rule
-Replacement rule
-Courses
-Finals scenarios
-5th singles match?



Sunday captains:
Jordan Lewis
Jeff Hemmerling
Camo Mike Niemi
Tom T-Ry Rybloom
Kel Carver
Jason McGrew
Celeste Scandiffio
Denny Ax
George Adams
Victor Cervantes

Saturday captains:
Dan Denny
Dan Brown
Cindy McMahan
Will Odom
Scott Searles
Troy Grotte
Wes Hansen
David Zimmerman
Jason Saui Sauermilch
Keith Shupp

The captains should be aware of the hit list :shooting: so they may discuss it with their team prior to the meeting. Let's try and keep this meeting to the point.

[jevon]

Sunday captains:
Jordan Lewis
Camo Mike Niemi
Tom T-Ry Rybloom
Kel Carver
Jason McGrew
Celeste Scandiffio
Denny Ax
George Adams
Victor Cervantes

Saturday captains:
Dan Denny
Dan Brown
Cindy McMahan
Will Odom
Scott Searles
Troy Grotte
Wes Hansen
David Zimmerman
Jason Saui Sauermilch
Keith Shupp

The captains should be aware of the hit list :shooting: so they may discuss it with their team prior to the meeting. Let's try and keep this meeting to the point.
Only 9 Sunday captains?

[jevon]

Only 9 Sunday captains?

You forgot old man Hemmerling!

[DanD]

When do final rosters have to be submitted? I know some teams have people as place holders and it may be a good idea to deal with these before the prelims.

[Sausage Fingers]

When do final rosters have to be submitted? I know some teams have people as place holders and it may be a good idea to deal with these before the prelims.

The Prelims is when the final rosters have to be submitted. Any changes after that will count toward whatever the limit turns out to be.:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

You forgot old man Hemmerling!Thanks for having my back!;)

[NWDiscer]

Thanks for having my back!;)


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[Sausage Fingers]

I like playing dubs but I think its too hard to handicap fairly enough to warrant two dubs and only 3 singles.

How's about this idea: match play!

Make the fifth singles match a match play format or even two singles. Three singles stroke play, two singles match play, and one doubles. That could be fun. Could the handicap work the same? Not sure if it would be fair if someone have to give 19 strokes/holes on an 18 hole course...:whistler:

Just think about the new strategies that could unfold!

The main reason for relegating the dubs matches to 'only if you have all players present' was a move to get more players playing singles rounds that can be rated. And the more players who play a given round, the better the round ratings will be each week. And as long as I don't do something stupid like weight the latest round at 50%:headbang::bricks: we should get accurate ratings for everybody in the league fairly rapidly.

So I don't see going to match play anytime soon. Is there even a way to handicap a match play event?:chinscratch:

:pirate:

[Celeste]

I may have to bring in a substitute captain for the meeting since I'm working in Albany now. Maybe I'll play Bryant (6 blocks away) or Adair (10 minutes) and think of you all :nahnah:

[Kevin Madrid]

So I don't see going to match play anytime soon. Is there even a way to handicap a match play event?:chinscratch:

:pirate:

I do love match play...you play totally different...a lot of go for it shots... instead of play it safe and just get a par and move on.

The only way a match play set-up can be done that I can see is IF AND ONLY IF the top player of each team play each other and NO HANDICAP...STRAIGHT UP BABY! :rockon:

Thinking of it that way :chinscratch:. It could be interesting...that would take out of play the 15 to 20+ stroke make-up on a round when a team puts up low rated player against a high rated player.

Thoughts?


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GBP for life

[DanD]

I think one of the great things about TDG is that its for everyone. Stroke Play puts the priority on skill level, which, imho, is not what TDG is about. That being said, I'd be way down for a stroke play league/match. Maybe it could be used for team tie breakers in TDG?

[jevon]

The only way a match play set-up can be done that I can see is IF AND ONLY IF the top player of each team play each other and NO HANDICAP...STRAIGHT UP BABY!

It wouldn't have to be the top players since any two players with similar ratings would work the same. Even if someone was rated 20 points higher, and they would normally have to give two strokes, couldn't they just have to win by two holes?

Then again there wouldn't be a way to rate the round so we couldn't have more than one match be match play, and that person would have to play in a stroke play round as well.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Another topic for the meeting: tie-breakers.
Two questions:
1. Do we let singles/doubles matches end in ties?
2. If not, how is the playoff run?

Jordan has proposed using a "fractional handicap" for the playoff. This is goofy unless the the handicap is zero (straight-up) or 18 strokes. For example, if the handicap is 9 strokes, that's a 0.5 stroke handicap per playoff hole. So the playoff will end on the first hole:

1. Both players score a 3: lower wins 3-3.5;
2. Higher rated wins hole by one stroke: higher wins 3.5-4;
3. Lower rated wins hole by one stroke: lower wins 3-4.5.

So this proposal gives a huge advantage to the lower rated player as the higher rated player must win the first playoff hole by a stroke to win the match.

My preference is to abolish playoffs. Let singles/doubles matches end in ties. Another advantage is that we are often short on time. Also, I'm old and get tired easily. Damn, where did I put that Ensure... ;)

[LegoRules]

Another topic for the meeting: tie-breakers.
Two questions:
1. Do we let singles/doubles matches end in ties?
2. If not, how is the playoff run?

Jordan has proposed using a "fractional handicap" for the playoff. This is goofy unless the the handicap is zero (straight-up) or 18 strokes. For example, if the handicap is 9 strokes, that's a 0.5 stroke handicap per playoff hole. So the playoff will end on the first hole:

1. Both players score a 3: lower wins 3-3.5;
2. Higher rated wins hole by one stroke: higher wins 3.5-4;
3. Lower rated wins hole by one stroke: lower wins 3-4.5.

So this proposal gives a huge advantage to the lower rated player as the higher rated player must win the first playoff hole by a stroke to win the match.

My preference is to abolish playoffs. Let singles/doubles matches end in ties. Another advantage is that we are often short on time. Also, I'm old and get tired easily. Damn, where did I put that Ensure... ;)

I agree let matches just end in ties way easier. I also along my team want dubs to stay.

Cindy :)

[NWDiscer]

I agree let matches just end in ties way easier. I also along my team want dubs to stay.

Cindy :)


Ditto :cheers:

[Denny]

I agree let matches just end in ties way easier. I also along with my team want dubs to stay.

Cindy :)

Word :cheers:

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan has proposed using a "fractional handicap" for the playoff. So the playoff will end on the first hole.

You had it right and then you muddied the waters. The bolded words ARE the whole point of the rule: a quick end to the tie. And yes it does favor the lower rated player just like the previous rule, playoff without ANY handicap, favored the higher rated player last year.

:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

And yes it does favor the lower rated player just like the previous rule, playoff without ANY handicap, favored the higher rated player last year.Exactly Jordan, you're helping prove my point here. So the best idea is (drum roll please): NO PLAYOFFS.
Don't favor anyone, equal opportunity, land of the free and all that. ;)

[Sausage Fingers]

Exactly Jordan, you're helping prove my point here. So the best idea is (drum roll please): NO PLAYOFFS.
Don't favor anyone, equal opportunity, land of the free and all that. ;)

So its just "sorry you got screwed in the past, but we aren't going to make up for it so just move along"...with you huh?

:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

So its just "sorry you got screwed in the past, but we aren't going to make up for it so just move along"...with you huh?Man Jordan, you're harsh. I thought I was making the world (or at least TDG) a better, more fair place and you just give me flak.
I'm not saying I don't deserve it, I'm just saying...:o

[Sausage Fingers]

Man Jordan, you're harsh. I thought I was making the world (or at least TDG) a better, more fair place and you just give me flak.
I'm not saying I don't deserve it, I'm just saying...:o

You know I got nothin but love for ya HamForLoins!:biggrin2:

But givin you crap is pretty damn fun too...:pirate:

[D-Walk]

I'm not saying I don't deserve it, I'm just saying...:o

At least you know, and knowing is half the battle.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

NO PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!

Quaffers will decide the victor! Keep pouring and the first to pass out loses.:chug:

Bob

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Quaffers will decide the victor! Keep pouring and the first to pass out loses.Bob might be on to something here...;)

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

NO PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!

Quaffers will decide the victor! Keep pouring and the first to pass out loses.:chug:

Bob

Team Grip Lok votes for this idea!

:chug::chug::chug:

[jevon]

What about making the 5th singles match play, or at least an option? As long as both teams have people rated within 10 points it should work without a handicap. Team 1 puts down five singles and one doubles, team 2 then picks which one of the singles will be match play. If the two teams don't have anyone rated closely, or if team 2 doesn't want to, they just stick to stroke play.

[DanD]

I'm for keeping it simple.... I dont see how adding match play would make TDG any better and I can see how it would confuse some teams.

[Sam]

NO PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!

Quaffers will decide the victor! Keep pouring and the first to pass out loses.:chug:

Bob

Jordan, make it so. And make all of our matches "ties". No one can take our team down in this extra-curricular event.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Jordan, make it so. And make all of our matches "ties". No one can take our team down in this extra-curricular event.

*clearing throat*.........uhhhhhhhhhhhh We ARE called DRUNK and Disorderly for a reason! :chug:

Bob

[DanD]

I know ODW is down for a quaffer finish! We'll be serving up some Green Dragon to all you rook's..

[George A.]

Lol.....you all know VAPOR TRAILS!!! Will win all quaffer match hands down

[Jonesy]

how about both teams tee off then all players must chug a 12oz beer before running to the lie they want to play and first to hole out wins. sort of a speed hole situation. its unlikely that both teams will chain out at the exact same time.
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[Sausage Fingers]

how about both teams tee off then all players must chug a 12oz beer before running to the lie they want to play and first to hole out wins. sort of a speed hole situation. its unlikely that both teams will chain out at the exact same time.

sorry you used the R-word. that will never be a part of any event that i ever put together.

besides my strategy for any game that people throw at the same time would be to throw AT my opponents...and that can't end well...:pirate:

[Jonesy]

flipcup maybe?
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[NWDiscer]

What about making the 5th singles match play, or at least an option? As long as both teams have people rated within 10 points it should work without a handicap. Team 1 puts down five singles and one doubles, team 2 then picks which one of the singles will be match play. If the two teams don't have anyone rated closely, or if team 2 doesn't want to, they just stick to stroke play.


i think this would work even if you made it up to 25 point diff. between the 2 Hukker's.

[Sausage Fingers]

i think this would work even if you made it up to 25 point diff. between the 2 Hukker's.

We could go to match play if every single OTDG player was a current PDGA member with at least 30 rated rounds...

Otherwise we need every singles match that we can get to make the player ratings the best that they can be.

:pirate: