latitude 64, river

[Jonesy]

i chucked my sidewinder to the bottom of the ridge on rooster E course hole 9 the other day and refused to even look for it. so, after some research, my thoughts on replacing it were the xpress and the river. since everyones xpresses are out of stock for some reason at the same time i found a river at NA. they now have lat in. i picked up a 169 opto line. ive found so far that when released flat it has a similar flight path to the striker, straight with a light hyzer fade at the end. not really understable at all. it's also slightly larger diameter than most discs with a really deep rim. not a good replacement for a sidewinder.
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[Adam Schneider]

I have a Gold Line River and it flies very much like my Z Xpress -- perhaps a touch flipper than the Xpress. If I throw the River with any anhyzer, it doesn't want to come out of the turn.

[Jonesy]

huh:confused:
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[Jonesy]

that much difference between gold and opto perhaps?
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[TreeLove]

I would sooner throw a disc named "Tree", or even "Hornet's Nest", before I would throw a disc named "River".

[Jonesy]

anyone have thoughts on how the vision flys?
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[Adam Schneider]

The Vision is supposed to be quite Sidewinder-esque. I threw a friend's once and it sure seemed to be the case.

[sillybizz]

The Vision is one of the only discs I've throw right off the shelf that held an anhyzer line even from a hyzer flip.

[Parks]

Visions are a very flippy disc out of the box. It is a favorite among low power players in my area.

The River is supposed to be more like a Valkyrie than a Sidewinder, except that it Valkyries harder than any Valkyrie has ever Valkyried before. Or something. I've never thrown one.

[Adam Schneider]

I thought the River was more like a Leopard, or possibly a TL. In other words, more of a fairway driver than "distance driver."

[Parks]

The rim thickness is 1.8cm, which puts it right between a TL and a Valkyrie.

Either way, people are considering 1.9cm rim drivers to be long fairway drivers these days, even though a Valkyrie is probably my most consistently long disc.

[chris7graham]

lol i thought river had water in it :shocked::nahnah::slapface:

[wilt]

I throw sidewinders as my main driver and honestly I haven't found another disc that is exactly like a sidewinder. Just get another sidewinder IMHO. Vision is not the same, avenger SS not the same...

The only disc like a sidewinder is another sidewinder.

[TreeLove]

A Roadrunner is like a Sidewinder, only better. One of my longest shots is the hyzer flip Roadrunner....

Besides, which is faster: bird or snake?

[wilt]

I've only thrown a roadrunner a few times but it didn't seem quite the same. For some reason the sidewinder just works perfectly for me. At this point I have no reason to switch so I guess what I am saying is if the sidewinder works for you just get another one. Why fix something that's not broken?

[TreeLove]

I agree. And I'll get another Roadrunner!

[Burge]

The Vision, off the shelf, is like a faster beat-up Sidewinder, on release, that will fade back like a new Sidewinder at the end. A Roadrunner, off the shelf, is like a slower, slightly beat-up Sidewinder that won't fade back as much at the end. The Vision is a great disc. If you haven't developed a gorilla arm yet, then you can probably get it out there farther than your Sidewinder. If you've got a +400' throw, then it's a great hyzerflip disc, or even a roller. I can crank out a Destroyer and then hyzerflip a Vision and I'll always get the same D.

Lat64's plastics are superior to all others.:rockon: Goldline is like really hard Star with a little metalflake mixed in and Opto is somewhere between Champion and Gummi Champ. And both are more durable that their Innova comparisons.

[Parks]

I've heard a lot of people comment that they don't like the way Goldline flies. They say it lacks glide in a lot of molds. I didn't think it felt that great, either.

Opto, on the other hand, is amazing. Grippy, durable, and as glidey as any other premium plastic.

[Burge]

I've heard a lot of people comment that they don't like the way Goldline flies. They say it lacks glide in a lot of molds. I didn't think it felt that great, either.

:chinscratch:Hmmm...I've got an Opto Vision and a Goldline Vision (only a gram apart) and I would say that the Goldline one likes to stay in the air longer than the Opto, but I would not say that the plastic is the deciding factor, but rather that the Goldline Vision looks a little flatter than Opto version and also goes a little faster.

Opto, on the other hand, is amazing. Grippy, durable, and as glidey as any other premium plastic.

Opto is also different between molds...I had a yellow Opto Vison that was way more flexi than a purple one I bought later, yet I have an Opto Riot that is as hard as CE.

[Jonesy]

thank u burge.
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[jevon]

so, after some research, my thoughts on replacing it were the xpress and the river. since everyones xpresses are out of stock for some reason at the same time i found a river at NA.
Did you try the depot? Jerry had his trailer at vance last night with some xpresses on board.

[Jonesy]

99 percent of the money i spend on disc golf goes to jerry. im picky. he was out of z expresses and forces in solid colors and as far as last week didn't have rivers. i don't throw tie dye.
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[Ol' Bob]

i don't throw tie dye.

It is amazing how many tie-dyes pass through my lost-and-found.

[Jonesy]

i picked up an z xpress and a opto vision to try replacing my sidewinder and threw them along side a new sidewinder. all 170ish. the express throws very much like a new sidewinder and the vision throws just like my old beat up sidewinder. the wiener is.............172 latitude 64 opto sparkle vision! i also replaced my older champion destroyer with a new z force and it performed perfectly in the north bonneville head winds. my xd putter is now the only innova disc in my bag.

[Burge]

It is amazing how many tie-dyes pass through my lost-and-found.

Dude, if you want to lose discs, throw tie-dye. The first disc I ever bought, which is also the first disc I ever lost, was a tie-dye. Needless to say, it was also the last tie-die I ever bought.;)

[Burge]

the express throws very much like a new sidewinder

I've got a Z Xpress and I think it has a bit more high speed turn than that--more like a beat-up Eagle.

[ROC]

I threw mine into the river at riverside. Coincidence? I think so.

[Ol' Bob]

Dude, if you want to lose discs, throw tie-dye. The first disc I ever bought, which is also the first disc I ever lost, was a tie-dye. Needless to say, it was also the last tie-die I ever bought.;)

It's even more amazing how many tie dyes are still out there somewhere. I can think of several I saw go into the void and have not found them in years.

[Floodj32]

One thing no one has mentioned is that Latitude discs have three different flight paths for each model. They have to do with the Dome of the disc.

Example: Dome striker is understable, Flat is stable, and indented is overstable.

For Visions I have found that the dome ones tend to be more stable and the flat top ones are very understable. Although I don't throw many visions, a Dome striker fills that role in my bag.

[Parks]

One thing no one has mentioned is that Latitude discs have three different flight paths for each model. They have to do with the Dome of the disc.

It isn't really the dome that is making it more stable, as that is a side effect. Its the parting line height. Higher = more stable, lower = less.

Other manufacturers have similar effects in their discs, I just think Latitude is new enough to the game to where they don't have the knowledge to consistently cool their plastic yet. Or maybe Opto is really temperamental.

I've got a flat, tight as a drum Predator that was super overstable because it pulled the wing up. I've got a really domey poppy top Destroyer that also has pulled the wing up some, and it is ridiculously overstable. I used to be able to throw it like a roller, it would pan out, and then flare up at the end for pretty decent distance. Its beat in now to the point where its just very overstable now.

Basically, check the parting line height of those Visions and Strikers and you will see more correlation than with dome.

[Jonesy]

both my striker and my vision are domey. the striker is dead straight with a touch of hyzer fade at the end and the vision as i said is like a beat up sidewinder. all the strikers and visions i've seen look the same. i'm not saying its not possible that there are variations, i've just not seen it and what you described above doesn't apply to my discs or the others i've thrown. next someone will say the yellows are more overstable than the blues......but only on sunny days after 1pm.:laughing: from what i've seen latitude is fairly consistant within the different plastic lines.

[Burge]

It isn't really the dome that is making it more stable, as that is a side effect. Its the parting line height. Higher = more stable, lower = less.

Other manufacturers have similar effects in their discs, I just think Latitude is new enough to the game to where they don't have the knowledge to consistently cool their plastic yet. Or maybe Opto is really temperamental.

I've got a flat, tight as a drum Predator that was super overstable because it pulled the wing up. I've got a really domey poppy top Destroyer that also has pulled the wing up some, and it is ridiculously overstable. I used to be able to throw it like a roller, it would pan out, and then flare up at the end for pretty decent distance. Its beat in now to the point where its just very overstable now.

Basically, check the parting line height of those Visions and Strikers and you will see more correlation than with dome.

I think you've got something there... I drove myself crazy trying to find two Illusions, in the hard S plastic--not that soft crap, that were the same out of the box. But then, we are talking about Gateway and i would have to say they are notorious for their inconsistancy.:rolleyes2:

[Parks]

i'm not saying its not possible that there are variations, i've just not seen it and what you described above doesn't apply to my discs or the others i've thrown. next someone will say the yellows are more overstable than the blues......but only on sunny days after 1pm.:laughing:

The difference is that those people are wrong, and I am right.