Tomahawks and rollers......PLEASE HELP!!!!

[DGOD!ARNIE]

So I'm wondering what people think the best discs are when throwing tomahawks and forehand rollers??? Also any hints on using these styles successfully?

[Adam Schneider]

Overstable discs, for both.

[REDFIVE]

search youtube

[DGOD!ARNIE]

Well I use Firebirds for my thumbers. Would that be an equal for the tomahawk?

[Bruce]

I would suggest trying out a XXX from Latitude 64 for your thumber/tommy needs. They have really impressed me in that respect, much longer than a firebird and more overstable.

As far as forehand rollers....whatever you a comfortable with. I use everything from a boss, to leopard to a putter. Just depends on how much you practice the shot.

[runnaman]

It really depends what you need to roll for and whatever your comfortable with. Just like Bruce said, I use a Monarch, Firebird, Classic Roc.

[DGOD!ARNIE]

Thanks guys. I think I'm definitely gonna check out the XXX. Still not sure on the roller. I haven't done it enough to know yet. Does weight matter on the rollers?

[Adam Schneider]

For the record, I tried the XXX and didn't have nearly as much luck as I did with my Firebird, for tomahawks. The Firebird's rim is narrower, and I think that helps me.

[ChUcK]

I know very little about FH rollers, except as short-range emergency shots. I learned marginal control over these by simply rolling my ESP Zone to the next teepad whenever it was appropriate to do so.

I don't think weight matters any more than it usually does.

[Celeste]

I throw a lot of both of these. For forehand rollers I throw a 166 champ firebird. It's really forgiving as far as not shooting off in the wrong direction. I learned rollers by throwing mini rollers during walkouts to the next hole. This has really helped with forehand putter rollers as well. A nice shot to have when you need it!
For a tomahawk I thow a 167 champ orc. I used to play tennis and I think the serving and overhead motions I learned have helped with the motion and understanding the release heights and speeds.

[dc1]

For thumbers, the more stable you get the later the disc turns in the air. I'm guessing the same would apply for tomahawks. So if you are looking for distance I would recomend a Star or Champ Whippet X. A Firebird will work too, but I prefer the whippet because it is a slower disc and seems to turn later and more on a straight line. If you are looking at a shorter shot and need bigger right hook, start using more understable discs. Check out Brian Schweberger on youtube, he throws some of the best thumbers on tour.

[KRUPS]

Discraft 150 ESP and max weight Z Flicks work well for both, I prefer the Z plastic though

[captain jack]

I don't think either shot requires a specific disc, you should experiment with all your discs to find out what works good for you. The two shots arent the same, and you may prefer using different discs for both of them.

I dont throw a Tomahawk alot (fingers on the rim), I prefer the Thumber (thumb on the rim).
I found that long range dirvers dont go any farther than fairway drivers do, my thumber is effective from 100-175', and so I use either a Gazelle , or an Eagle.
This is a great shot to add to your arsenal, when done correctly, the disc drops dead when it lands, no skips or rolls. A well placed thumber for me will usually end up nudging the pole. I have birdied #2 at Seatac from 50' behind the big laurel bush with this shot.

I throw a forehand roller now as my drive on #17 at Lakewood.
I have been practicing this shot, only on this hole, for a few months now.
I dont have the arm to throw up through the gap all the way to the pin, but the roller gets me in birdie range now. I throw left hand forehand, the disc hits on the side of the hill and tracks the contour , which funnels it up and around towards the pin.

I think the best disc for a forehand roller is a disc that turns over slightly more than your regular forehand driver. I try and get the disc to hit the ground at about a 60° angle, for me, LHFH, about like this \ , so it stands up and rolls foreward in a straight line.

I use a Star Monarch for this shot, even on flat ground, the Monarch is a cut roller for me, so it's more predictable.

[RonTheWhip]

Classic choices would be the Firebird, Eagle, Banshee and Whippet. On the Discraft side, Predator, Z Xtreme, Reaper and Pulse are very popular.

[Zaqcb]

I throw an overhand shot whenever it is possible and a Z Predator covers all my overhand needs.

[COV45]

Rollers : Discraft X-Clones (no longer made, have to find them on Ebay or elsewhere)
Tomahawks : Discraft XLs

I use maybe 172g, take anything I can get with the X-Clones, not too light, 'cuz the wind will be more of a factor. I have a Firebird I've never used for a roller, but now will try it out, and I have a Boss that's my driver, but have also heard its a good roller. Alot of good advice mentioned previously!

[DGOD!ARNIE]

Yeah thank you to everybody who has commented. I now have a great arsenal of options.

I took a stack out to my neighborhood park last night. My Orcs did the best for the tomahawk, Firebirds did good as well.

I will be trying the fh roller today. Wish me luck!!!!

[mrDROCK]

This is a theory I have been going through my head lately.

Overstable = good for tomahawks

Understable = good for thumbers

What do you think?

[TreeLove]

I think:

Overstable = good for tomahawks
Overstable = good for thumbers

Unless you want to throw it short and get a different flight path.....

[Scott]

This is a theory I have been going through my head lately.

Overstable = good for tomahawks

Understable = good for thumbers

What do you think?

I'd say it all depends on what you want your tomahawk or thumber to do.

You want it to turn early? Late? Very little or not at all?
Are you throwing a high arcing shot, or a low line drive?

[mrDROCK]

I was just thinking about tendencies to turn hard or fade hard. Depending on the direction of throw. If one is throwing the disc vertically and with a tomahawk grip, I would think the overstable discs tendency to fade hard would be beneficial to it staying on line. The same would be true from throwing an understable disc with a thumber grip as the tendency to turn would keep it in line.

Obviously this is all theory, but this is what makes sense in my head.

[dc1]

I'd say it all depends on what you want your tomahawk or thumber to do.

You want it to turn early? Late? Very little or not at all?
Are you throwing a high arcing shot, or a low line drive?

I think Scott asked the most important question. What do you want it to do? Both the tomahawk and thumber are shots that can do a number of different things depending on disc stability and speed and how you throw it.

In my experience throwing a lot of thumbers, I find the more overstable you throw the less turn and more distance you get.

I throw a glow whippet x for distance, around 300ft, it turns slightly and finishes a little right of the line it was thrown on. If I throw a beat up star TL about the same power it travels 200ft, makes a much more drastic turn and finishes way right of the line it was thrown on.

The best thing to do would be to go out in a field and throw everything you have in the bag and see what it does. Then go home and ice your shoulder down. :laughing:

[Moedawg]

I use a firebird for all thumber/tomahawk shots . Changing the throw for based on what you want it to do . I have seen the whippet thrown with alot of success for distance. Surprised the epic wasnt mentioned more.

[mrDROCK]

I guess what I want out of my thumbers/tomahawks right now is distance. Playing Pier I find myself in situations where I need to make the distance to the basket, but a backhand throw is destined to hit some trees. My only other option is to go nice and straight through the narrow path, I got for the thumber at that time. Usually I will use a Wolf for my thumbers. I just haven't had much distance.

[TreeLove]

Firebird.

[the flogging putter]

Firebird for the tomahawks and thumbers. Beasts and Xcals for rollers.

[zombie41]

I have a roadrunner that is awesome for rollers. I'm a righty so... When I throw it back hand I put about 45 degrees of anhyzer on it and aim for a spot about 35 feet in front of the tee. It will hit the ground at a slight angle and then straighten out. This shot will always die to the right so try to throw it a little left of your target. When I throw a sidearm roller, I try to get about 5 or 10 degrees of hyzer and aim for a spot 60 or 70 feet in front of the tee pad. Again it will hit at an angle and then straighten out. however this shot will die to the left so make sure you aim it to the right of your target.

[Rakoz]

It all depends on what you want it to do, how far you want to throw it, and your own style.

I started throwing Tomahawk at the Rockwood winter series 5 years ago when we had a ridiculous stretch of weeks where the wind was HORRIBLE! I found a low quick turn over tomahawk didn't give the wind time to effect the shot. After a couple months of this I found I liked it for most shots in the 150-250 range. I'd been throwing my 161 Eagle and my 171 Eagle for these shots depending on what I wanted it to do (one was also an E mold and one an L mold). After the windy days stopped I found I could throw a tomahawk well over 300ft and became quite good at it.

I throw an Eagle L mold for distance and it's a 167. It moves left to right about 10 degrees and then floats pretty much back to center. If it lands on edge it will dance about a little as I put a ton of spin on it. It will skip straight or straight left again if it lands on the top.

I throw an Eagle E mold 169 for "skinny" shots (between trees) or just to get over something. It glides slight right and turns back very quickly to vertical (top of disc back on the right side). It also ends up landing pretty much straight ahead on the course but is a little less predictable after it hits (much more speed on it).

I have had similar success with Destroyers; they are much like the E mold- more up and down. I've been trying an Avenger but don't have it figured out quite yet.

I've seen guys throw ultralights and get them to flip over and glide like a back hand shot at the end and I've seen guys throw the Aerobie Epic farther than me but with much decreased accuracy. I tried an epic and can get good d but horrible accuracy. I can throw my back hand and forehand farther so I havn't experimented more with it.

In my experience: find someone you know who can do it and do it well, take them out to the park and have them show you using their discs and then your discs, watch what your discs do in their hands and see if you can replicate it. Angle of release, point of release, and spin are all very important to change the flight path and get the result you want for each throw (just like all the other throw types).

Tomahawk takes a lot more finesse and practice to do well than most people realize. I'd be glad to show any of you how I do it.

Fore Hand Roller: The only time I've been able to do this well was when I wasn't trying to roll a forehand shot. Before I knew what I was doing I could throw a teebird TL about 200-220 finishing on the left of the fairway and it would then roll back towards center 60-80 ft. I don't think that's what you're looking for.

[Burge]

If you want a tomahawk to go far, throw something overstable, like a firebird--I like an SL. If you want it to flip over quicker, for going over or around something, go much less stable--my disc of choice for that is a beat-up star sidewinder.

For a roller, it also depends if you want it to go far (monster) or turn sooner (roadrunner).

[Adam Schneider]

SL? Really? It seems most people find those things maddeningly flippy.

But yes, it's definitely good advice to reach for a very understable disc on a shorter throw where you need a quicker corkscrew. I've had to throw <100' tomahawks before, and my Stratus is the only disc that'll flip in such a short distance.

[Burge]

SL? Really? It seems most people find those things maddeningly flippy.

Yeah. Mainly because I don't throw tomahawks for distance--too hard on the shoulder.

[Acerbinky]

Personally I use:

Forehand Rollers - dx Valkyrie, the dx plastic sticks better for me, but dings up easily.
Backhand Roller - Gator

Thumbers - never been very good at those but i can pull off a nice one with an Epic.

I have been putting together a mixed bag for our monthly Ript Revenge League, anything can happen when you play that game..

Chadwick

[COV45]

So I'm wondering what people think the best discs are when throwing tomahawks and forehand rollers??? Also any hints on using these styles successfully?

Gateway's NINJA will roll w/ very little effort

Aerobie's EPIC is only a tomahawk disc

[ChUcK]

Aerobie's EPIC is only a tomahawk disc

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[mazza]

Gateway's NINJA will roll w/ very little effort



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