West Sound Road Trip

[Matt B.]

I'm going to be in Suquamish and on Bainbridge Island the week leading up to July 4th and I have time for some golf! Any suggestions for me between NAD, Kitsap Fairgrounds, and Fredericksen? I can probably play two of them if I plan things correctly. I've read up on all three at dgcoursereview.com but looking for more opinions. Any other courses I should think about? I probably need to keep the travel time to 45 minutes or less so as to meet my other obligations.

Thanks!

[Bullseye]

I'm going to be in Suquamish and on Bainbridge Island the week leading up to July 4th and I have time for some golf! Any suggestions for me between NAD, Kitsap Fairgrounds, and Fredericksen? I can probably play two of them if I plan things correctly. I've read up on all three at dgcoursereview.com but looking for more opinions. Any other courses I should think about? I probably need to keep the travel time to 45 minutes or less so as to meet my other obligations.

Thanks!

Kitsap Fairgrounds is a fun course. Well designed holes with decent fairways. I really enjoyed this course and I'd love to go back and play it again.

Nad... quite the opposite. From the short pads it is a tight, tough course with very small fairways. From the longs... it gets a LOT worse. Most of the time I felt like I was just throwing as hard as I can at a grove of trees or at an impossible gap and just hoping it turned out OK. The bummer is that the course is very well maintained and has good signage. Its obvious the locals have put a lot of love into this course. Its just a shame that the fairways are more like... unfairways.

[Rideout]

Dalaiwood is a great course to play but it might be a little too far south for you. It's about another 15-20 minutes south of NAD.

[sillybizz]

Kitsap Fairgrounds is a fun course. Well designed holes with decent fairways. I really enjoyed this course and I'd love to go back and play it again.

Nad... quite the opposite. From the short pads it is a tight, tough course with very small fairways. From the longs... it gets a LOT worse. Most of the time I felt like I was just throwing as hard as I can at a grove of trees or at an impossible gap and just hoping it turned out OK. The bummer is that the course is very well maintained and has good signage. Its obvious the locals have put a lot of love into this course. Its just a shame that the fairways are more like... unfairways.

I have to disagree with you. I like NAD much better than Fairgrounds; no underbrush (fairgrounds is brutal this time of year for losing discs), multiple tees and pins color coded with signs, concrete tee pads, etc.

[Bullseye]

I have to disagree with you. I like NAD much better than Fairgrounds; no underbrush (fairgrounds is brutal this time of year for losing discs), multiple tees and pins color coded with signs, concrete tee pads, etc.

Yeah, I mentioned NAD being a better maintained course, but that sure doesn't make it a better course. NAD is a poke and hope course where luck plays a HUGE role in scoring variations.

[Tim]

I think a lot of that is dependent on pin placement too. The original pins are much more reasonable, IMO, and I think probably new pins from the red aren't bad. But on some of the holes, I agree, the blue pad to long pin had some poke and hope issues.

[Tim]

Oh yeah, and Matt, Fredrickson is a unique experience. NAD and Fairgrounds are definitely the more notable courses, but Fredrickson might be worth a stop if you have the extra time. All the holes are super short, but not exactly what you'd call a pitch & putt. #18 is pretty wild, similar to #8 at Meadow Ridge, only shorter and a much narrower fairway.

[sillybizz]

Fredrickson is one of my favorite courses; similar to Lake Stevens but with good baskets.

[DMajor]

Yeah, I mentioned NAD being a better maintained course, but that sure doesn't make it a better course. NAD is a poke and hope course where luck plays a HUGE role in scoring variations.

NAD is only a poke and hope course to people who have given up on getting better at hitting their lines. Tight courses are not my specialty but I wished I lived about an hour closer to NAD so I could play it once a week. The few times I have played it I have noticed that when I hit my line I am usually sitting pretty well. When I don't hit my line I am usually in a world of trouble.

Luck has something to do with the scores at NAD just like it does at every other course but I think the "NAD is all about luck"' argument I have been hearing alot of since Whiners is an excuse for getting chewed up by a course that is very unforgiving if you are not extremely accurate.

[sillybizz]

NAD is only a poke and hope course to people who have given up on getting better at hitting their lines. Tight courses are not my specialty but I wished I lived about an hour closer to NAD so I could play it once a week. The few times I have played it I have noticed that when I hit my line I am usually sitting pretty well. When I don't hit my line I am usually in a world of trouble.

Luck has something to do with the scores at NAD just like it does at every other course but I think the "NAD is all about luck"' argument I have been hearing alot of since Whiners is an excuse for getting chewed up by a course that is very unforgiving if you are not extremely accurate.

I agree 100%! Well said Dan.

[Nathan]

Dalaiwood is my favorite of the West Sound courses. Fair Grounds is fun too. NAD can get pretty crowded on summer nights but is also a lot of fun. I would pick Dalaiwood over all the others.

Now to chime in about NAD. If you think its a poke and pray course, then you need to work on your accuracy. It does help to play these wooded courses frequently but I'd say that with the exception of 2 maybe 3 holes, NAD is just a technical course, not a lucky one. So don't go bashing it just because you can't hit a tight line.

[Kenny B]

Its just a shame that the fairways are more like... unfairways.

Being from Kitsap county, I must, of course, disagree. Where as, there are 2 or 3 pin placement/tee pad combos that could be considered a "luck" shot, the distinct majority of NADs holes have good fairways of sufficient width. It is an excellent place to learn how to throw straight. Actually, Fairgrounds, NAD, and Dalaiwood are all great places to learn how to throw straight. And don't forget about Van Zee!! That course is great to discipline your putter and mid range shots while running for aces!

[Bullseye]

NAD is only a poke and hope course to people who have given up on getting better at hitting their lines. Tight courses are not my specialty but I wished I lived about an hour closer to NAD so I could play it once a week. The few times I have played it I have noticed that when I hit my line I am usually sitting pretty well. When I don't hit my line I am usually in a world of trouble.

Luck has something to do with the scores at NAD just like it does at every other course but I think the "NAD is all about luck"' argument I have been hearing alot of since Whiners is an excuse for getting chewed up by a course that is very unforgiving if you are not extremely accurate.

So... now I am just another whiner who has given up getting better, eh? Ouch. Heh. Well, I am sorry if you think I have disrespected your course or something, but a 10' wide gap 100' feet off the teepad is not a fairway.

I've played courses all over the country. I've played great ones, I've played good ones, and I've played some really bad ones. No, I don't think NAD is a terrible course. I actually think it is a pretty fun casual course, but for my tastes it is way too random for serious tournament play.

One thing I don't want anyone to be confused about is how impressed I was with amount of effort the locals have put in to that course. :trophy: I played NAD Park about 4 years ago and the park is 100% better now than it was then. It is plainly obvious a lot of work has gone into it. I also understand the parks department is pretty strict about taking down trees in that park, and that fact alone limits what can be done to create honest fairways.

In conclusion, I still believe that, from the pro pads, NAD Park is pretty much a poke and hope... but what do I know... I'm just a whiner whose given up on getting better at hitting my lines. :biggrin2:

[emmarose]

So... now I am just another whiner who has given up getting better, eh? Ouch. Heh. Well, I am sorry if you think I have disrespected your course or something, but a 10' wide gap 100' feet off the teepad is not a fairway.

I've played courses all over the country. I've played great ones, I've played good ones, and I've played some really bad ones. No, I don't think NAD is a terrible course. I actually think it is a pretty fun casual course, but for my tastes it is way too random for serious tournament play.

One thing I don't want anyone to be confused about is how impressed I was with amount of effort the locals have put in to that course. :trophy: I played NAD Park about 4 years ago and the park is 100% better now than it was then. It is plainly obvious a lot of work has gone into it. I also understand the parks department is pretty strict about taking down trees in that park, and that fact alone limits what can be done to create honest fairways.

In conclusion, I still believe that, from the pro pads, NAD Park is pretty much a poke and hope... but what do I know... I'm just a whiner whose given up on getting better at hitting my lines. :biggrin2:


... maybe you should get yourself an eclipse, mr. hagerty... :angel:

peace,
em

[Darrin M]

I would definitely play NAD, it's one my favorite courses. I thought it was a hope a pray course my first time out and then played with Kyle and he shot -5 and didn't hit a tree. It made me think I need to work on my game. So if you think your good then play NAD, it will let you know if you need to work on your gaps.

After NAD I would play Fairgrounds. Paul did a great job with the layout, just make sure you have a spotter before you throw cause you will spend time looking for your disc.

[cefire]

NAD is only a poke and hope course to people who have given up on getting better at hitting their lines. Tight courses are not my specialty but I wished I lived about an hour closer to NAD so I could play it once a week. The few times I have played it I have noticed that when I hit my line I am usually sitting pretty well. When I don't hit my line I am usually in a world of trouble.

Luck has something to do with the scores at NAD just like it does at every other course but I think the "NAD is all about luck"' argument I have been hearing alot of since Whiners is an excuse for getting chewed up by a course that is very unforgiving if you are not extremely accurate.

Too true...

[Ken Smith]

Jeff ... I think Dan was referring to Whiners in the Woods tourney last month at NAD and Fairgrounds, not you being a whiner.

You're just a punker, Mr. Bullseye.

[Cajun]

... similar to Lake Stevens but with good baskets.

:nono: shame on you!

[papatart]

No, I don't think NAD is a terrible course. I actually think it is a pretty fun casual course, but for my tastes it is way too random for serious tournament play.



I too have played courses all over the country and then some. Quite often there is a bunch of randomness that adds or detracts from courses. I personally find more insulting luck to be on open fairways with random small bushes out at the three hundred foot mark that one person gets into and has no approach shot while two other two feet away have a totally wide open run up.

As for NAD being unfair for serious competition, just look at Kyle C's scores to judge whether or not a person can be consistent on a course. Back up his tourney rounds with a 5 down in practice earlier that week and it sounds like it plays pretty darn consistent IF (and that is a big if) you are a consistent thrower. If you are not able to execute shots you will be penalized.

The best part of NAD is that a sorta bad throw is punished and a very bad throw is generally punished even worse. Many courses that are "more fair" penalize shots that are just a little off but the ones that are way off go through another fairway and end up next to the hole anyway with just a longer putt. To me that is an unfair course when the worse shot is not penalized as bad as the guy that is just missing his line.

Bottom line, while I still think that the course to play in the West Sound is Dalaiwood, if you are choosing between the other three, then NAD and Kitsap will make a great outing for you. You're not going to be airing out any big drives but you will play in some of the most beautiful parkland the state has to offer for us goofy disc golfers!

Have fun,
Papa

[sillybizz]

:nono: shame on you!

I'm not sure what came over me Cajun. Lake Stevens ROCKS! :trophy:

[KCrabtree]

I too have played courses all over the country and then some. Quite often there is a bunch of randomness that adds or detracts from courses. I personally find more insulting luck to be on open fairways with random small bushes out at the three hundred foot mark that one person gets into and has no approach shot while two other two feet away have a totally wide open run up.

As for NAD being unfair for serious competition, just look at Kyle C's scores to judge whether or not a person can be consistent on a course. Back up his tourney rounds with a 5 down in practice earlier that week and it sounds like it plays pretty darn consistent IF (and that is a big if) you are a consistent thrower. If you are not able to execute shots you will be penalized.

The best part of NAD is that a sorta bad throw is punished and a very bad throw is generally punished even worse. Many courses that are "more fair" penalize shots that are just a little off but the ones that are way off go through another fairway and end up next to the hole anyway with just a longer putt. To me that is an unfair course when the worse shot is not penalized as bad as the guy that is just missing his line.

Bottom line, while I still think that the course to play in the West Sound is Dalaiwood, if you are choosing between the other three, then NAD and Kitsap will make a great outing for you. You're not going to be airing out any big drives but you will play in some of the most beautiful parkland the state has to offer for us goofy disc golfers!

Have fun,
Papa

When I first visited Washington in 2007 i played white river, n.a.d. park, and in kennewick. N.a.d. park was by far my favorite course just because of the scenery and difficulty. To this day, it still is one of my favorite courses in Washington. I think the tournament would show the consistent rounds i had, course record -6 from blue to long pins, bogey free. then -5 from blue to long pins with 1 bogey. with a -5 in practice also. I've seen my fair share of poke & hope holes, and courses, and n.a.d. is not one of them. If you hit the lines, the birdies & par's are there, so be accurate! Ask Papa & big dawg Mike Werth who tied my record on Sunday.

[Moedawg]

Nad is the better course than kitsap in my opinion. There are some holes with alot of difficulty, but always a clear 3 shot path for a par. For the week leading up to the tournament i shot 4 up and 5 up consistently from the long postions . 1 of the two rounds i had during whiners at nad was a 4 and the other we will just not talk about :waaah::waaah:

[Getty]

I was out there several weeks ago. I wish I had time to play NAD twice but I spent a lot of time looking for my OK throws at the Fairgrounds just before I played NAD. That took some of the joy away from playing at the Fairgrounds. There was no time wasted looking for errant throws at NAD and I sailed thru it shooting even par from the tips. You can easily play both in an afternoon with a time suck of about 4 hours. Frederickson is worth the trip to Poulsbo. Still haven't made it to Dalaiwood.

[Matt B.]

Thanks for all the info - I always knew that Hagerty fella couldn't hit his lines!

Looks like Dalaiwood is only a few minutes drive time outside of my parameters, so I'm thinking I'll try to make it there and then probably make the quick trip to Poulsbo from Suquamish on another day. If that falls through, it'll be NAD and possibly Kitsap Fairgrounds.

I'll report back on my experience, thanks again for the input. :rockon:

[DMajor]

Thanks for all the info - I always knew that Hagerty fella couldn't hit his lines!

Looks like Dalaiwood is only a few minutes drive time outside of my parameters, so I'm thinking I'll try to make it there and then probably make the quick trip to Poulsbo from Suquamish on another day. If that falls through, it'll be NAD and possibly Kitsap Fairgrounds.

I'll report back on my experience, thanks again for the input. :rockon:

Due to the conversation you have created by starting this thread you owe it to all of us to play NAD from the Blues and give us your unbiased opinion on the luck factor compared to other courses.

Thank you for your time and have a wonderful day

[mazza]

Thanks for all the info - I always knew that Hagerty fella couldn't hit his lines!

Looks like Dalaiwood is only a few minutes drive time outside of my parameters, so I'm thinking I'll try to make it there and then probably make the quick trip to Poulsbo from Suquamish on another day. If that falls through, it'll be NAD and possibly Kitsap Fairgrounds.

I'll report back on my experience, thanks again for the input. :rockon:

when are you looking to play daliwood and NADs. i could try and make it out there and so you what an unskilled luck shot looks like( and maybe beat my pb of.....+14)