New star plastic??

[Mikk]

I just got a new replacement star boss. The star plastic seems different than the star boss I got last year. To me it seems more supple/softer than the other star plastic I have. Anybody else notice this or am I tripping(i wish)??

[TYVEK]

I just got a new replacement star boss. The star plastic seems different than the star boss I got last year. To me it seems more supple/softer than the other star plastic I have. Anybody else notice this or am I tripping(i wish)??

no your not tripping, thats just good ol innova and their inconsistent plastic. one run of plastic will be soft and another run of plastic will be a bit stiffer. this and the fact that they cant keep their disc flight patterns the same from one run to another is why i stopped throwing Innova discs. if they actually gave a crap and fixed the quality control of there plastic i would throw Innova again, but not when i cant depend on them to provide consitent plastic.

[General Scales]

no your not tripping, thats just good ol innova and their inconsistent plastic. one run of plastic will be soft and another run of plastic will be a bit stiffer. this and the fact that they cant keep their disc flight patterns the same from one run to another is why i stopped throwing Innova discs. if they actually gave a crap and fixed the quality control of there plastic i would throw Innova again, but not when i cant depend on them to provide consitent plastic.

I love it every time that they do things like that. Makes more and more people realize the value of consistency in plastic molding. Variations of even the slightest bit throw unseen deviations into the product.

Great example of this is my buddy has two Star Darts. Both the same weight (168). One of them is so stiff that it feels like it's Champion more then Star. The other one is so gummy that it's like leaving a Soft X Magnet in your car on a 100 degree day. Pretty much bends in his hand as he goes to throw.

On Innova's defense though, it's hard enough to control quality at one plant when you are massively producing a plastic product, let alone three big mold shops. Elevation, temperature, humidity, etc...will all effect the final outcome of a mold. Not to mention wear and tear of said mold will eventually start producing more and more blemished products. Also, it's getting harder and harder these days to procure quality plastic's from people for molding that are the same consistency every time you order. Pretty much a crap shoot.

Final point, throw Discraft :nahnah:. They seem to have the art of consistent molds down pretty good:yay:.

[Tim]

Now, now, I dislike Innova fanboyism as much as the next guy, but Discraft has got plenty of variation in their plastic blends as well. I'd say it's especially apparent in the ESP/FLX blends too.

[General Scales]

I wouldn't know about that. Every ESP disc I have ever bought has flown just like it's counterpart. The only difference was weight of the disc I was throwing.

I will totally agree to the ESP/ESP FLX difference because there is a big one. Any FLX plastic disc is twice as over-stable as it's counterpart. Although the only FLX disc I even like is the FLX Buzzz. That thing can take some snap.

[Tim]

I'm not talking about the flight, but the blend of the disc, which I think is what Mikk was getting at in his OP. There might be something to be said for consistency in the molds in Innova vs. Discraft, but as far as the actual blends of plastic, there are variations no matter what company you're dealing with. With Innova it's just that much more apparent since they make so many more discs.

[sillybizz]

no your not tripping, thats just good ol innova and their inconsistent plastic. one run of plastic will be soft and another run of plastic will be a bit stiffer. this and the fact that they cant keep their disc flight patterns the same from one run to another is why i stopped throwing Innova discs. if they actually gave a crap and fixed the quality control of there plastic i would throw Innova again, but not when i cant depend on them to provide consitent plastic.

I just recently lost a 150 Valkyrie and I have tried 3 others that were totally different, it makes me wonder why I ever went back to throwing Innova. I lost my Predator on Monday, went and threw a brand new one yesterday in the field a couple of times and it flies just like the one I lost.

[XandorF]

i like innova. i like how the discs are different and unique. when they are made differently, they throw differently. its up to YOU if your gonna let that get in your head. when you throw a disc with a predetermined idea of what you want the disc to fly like and what it SHOULD (in your mind) feel like you are not giving the disc a chance.



sorry i didnt jump on the bandwagon.

x

[Bullseye]

One thing I think is hilarious is hearing this very argument from someone who can't even throw the SAME DISC the SAME WAY twice in a row ;)

[sillybizz]

i like innova. i like how the discs are different and unique. when they are made differently, they throw differently. its up to YOU if your gonna let that get in your head. when you throw a disc with a predetermined idea of what you want the disc to fly like and what it SHOULD (in your mind) feel like you are not giving the disc a chance.



sorry i didnt jump on the bandwagon.

x

I love this argument of 'I like that the discs do different things and are unique'. That's why you use a different mold or use a different weight.

[Mikk]

I noticed that most of my Innova plastic is from rancho and that its the same across the board. If its not from rancho it has variations.
It seems to me that all of my discraft plastic (elite z) is the same no matter when I got it. Same with my DGA discs(discraft DGA that is)..I do miss my 150 z flick. I replaced it with an esp flick but its not as good to me as the z plastic. Thats 2x now that riverside got my most liked discs. rrrrrrrrrrr......

[XandorF]

I love this argument of 'I like that the discs do different things and are unique'. That's why you use a different mold or use a different weight.

yea. i just shouldnt talk. i really dont know jack. thanks everyone. we should throw some disc sometime and you can convince me off innova. until then, ill just keep throwing what the top pros use.(period)

x

[Ol' Bob]

Discraft discs only seem to vary when tested by hard-core Innova freaks. Many of them believe the consistency of Discraft molds is a myth. Being of the wimp persuasion, and throwing mostly light Innova DX drivers (or R-Pro, if that's all I can get), I've consumed much Innova, as this is what gives me my longest drives (haven't found any Discraft to compete in this department).

I always have to buy many of a given mold and weight to find the one that works for me. If the good ones were either at the way stable, or way flippy, end of the spectrum, then I could suspect I was using the rare Innova aberration. But I have to reject several discs on both sides of that one that works, and that tells me there is a huge inconsistency of final product, giving me my biased viewpoint.

Innova: No Two Alike (should be their slogan)

On edit: Just thinking about the two 167 Star Wraiths I have. One is about as overstable as a Firebird, and the other stable, but nowhere near that other. I use that more stable one to go around corners to the left. So, even my limited experience with the other plastics lines up with my greater experience of the DX/R-Pro. Am I Innova my head?

[captain jack]

Star plastic seems to cover a wide variety of looks and feels.

I have a new Destroyer that is thick and opaque, completely creamy, kind of "old school" Star, and a new Boss that is so much like Champion plastic I have a hard time finding it in between my Champion discs in the bag.

I also noticed that the new Dx discs seems to be clearer, like they added a little Champ plastic to them too.

[TYVEK]

i like innova. i like how the discs are different and unique. when they are made differently, they throw differently. its up to YOU if your gonna let that get in your head. when you throw a disc with a predetermined idea of what you want the disc to fly like and what it SHOULD (in your mind) feel like you are not giving the disc a chance.



sorry i didnt jump on the bandwagon.

x

:laughing: not giving the disc a chance! i love it.:laughing: they arent living beings with their own attitudes, they are peices of plastic that are supposed to fly a certain way. the companies that make the discs even tell you how each mold is supposed to fly. how is somebody ever supposed to be a good consistant player without consistant plastic?

[ChUcK]

we should throw some disc sometime and you can convince me off innova. until then, ill just keep throwing what the top pros use.(period)

x

Least favorite post of the year. You hurt my brain with your logic.

[DMajor]

I have found that some of my innova discs are occasionally inconsistent. I have also found some disccraft putters to be inconsistent. I have never found any discraft drivers to be inconsistent because I have never liked throwing any of them enough to buy a second of the same mold.

In my experience the amount of innova discs that vary enough to make a difference in my throw is grossly exagerrated. I have never had a hard time replacing a disc in my bag with another that flies the same. I try not to fall in love with hard to find runs and I also try to rotate in backup discs of the same mold so that if I need to pull one off the bench it will be broken in and fly just the same.

If you lose your perfectly broken in Surge ESP is a new one going to fly just like the one you lost?

[REDFIVE]

The new star is the star used to make the mako and the dart. It is a bit softer and grippier. I would hope that they dont start using it in all the discs and dont know why they would use it in bosses. If you want a stiffer more consistant star disc get one in echo star. echo star is the shnit.

[Matt B.]

I find all my Innova, Discraft, Gateway, Chings, and Lightning discs completely inconsistant from one mold to the next.

That is why I sold all that crap and now throw nothing but Aerobie. It's the future!



492

That disc has a hole in it.

[Mikk]

The new star is the star used to make the mako and the dart. It is a bit softer and grippier. I would hope that they dont start using it in all the discs and dont know why they would use it in bosses. If you want a stiffer more consistant star disc get one in echo star. echo star is the shnit.

I thought that my new boss felt like my mako!! Lately I've been getting Japan open champion discs. I like the lighter weight. Don't get me wrong my 167 star boss is the boss but I'm realy liking the lighter champion plastic. So far my best shots and aces have been with champion plastic. Most of my champ discs are signature discs i.e. climo. I don't see this with star plastic yet. Not that I kow a thing about that.

[REDFIVE]

I like my fairway drivers(leopard, teebird, firebird, orc?) in champ but my distance drivers(wraith, destroyer, boss, excal) in star. not sure why but I find that the distance drivers are more consistant in star. I might just know what I am looking for to keep my innova discs consistant.

[XandorF]

Least favorite post of the year. You hurt my brain with your logic.

ok sorry. i don't get most peoples logic either. i just wont post anymore, it just seems that everyone's picking apart what i say. oh wait this is the internet. haha. when it comes down to it, i don't need to explain myself or my choice of disc. im actually kind of bummed, you guys are all boners. i am an American. i have the right to an idea an opinion! *cue inspirational music*.

i was just trying to bring a different opinion and angle to the conversation. my bad.

... but seriously. you are a boner.

[sillybizz]

It's alright man, we were just giving you a hard time and expressing OUR opinion on the matter. And yes I am a boner. :)

[prospect]

Without COMPLETE and TOTAL consistency in your throw, you can't expect the same from your discs, regardless of brand. I believe it does require actually throwing the disc to know how it will fly, not just assuming that it will fly the same as the Buzzz or Roc that you bought 5 years ago, or 5 minutes ago.

[REDFIVE]

Without COMPLETE and TOTAL consistency in your throw, you can't expect the same from your discs, regardless of brand. I believe it does require actually throwing the disc to know how it will fly, not just assuming that it will fly the same as the Buzzz or Roc that you bought 5 years ago, or 5 minutes ago.

This brings up a good point. I am going to twist it a bit. I know that I have had a disc and bought another one that I hoped was the same. The first one that I liked was thrown with an open mind and I let the disc tell me how it should be thrown. I tried the second one with an expectation of how I should throw it compared to the first one. It wasnt exactly the same so I didnt like it and put it in the box only to take it out later and find that it was actually pretty close to the flight of the first one. So how different are the flights of discs really? I am sure we make them out to be much worse than they really are.

[ChUcK]

ok sorry. i don't get most peoples logic either. i just wont post anymore, it just seems that everyone's picking apart what i say. oh wait this is the internet. haha.
Eh, don't feel so bad, people also pick apart what I say- whenever it's something stupid.
when it comes down to it, i don't need to explain myself or my choice of disc.
Too late, you have already done both. Whoops!
im actually kind of bummed, you guys are all boners. i am an American. i have the right to an idea an opinion! *cue inspirational music*.

i was just trying to bring a different opinion and angle to the conversation. my bad.

... but seriously. you are a boner.

:confused: Logic still hurting brain :confused:

Oh man, it happened again! What you said was picked apart. I wonder if there's a pattern developing? Google "metacognitive awareness" and see if anything interesting shows up.

[XandorF]

Eh, don't feel so bad, people also pick apart what I say- whenever it's something stupid.

Too late, you have already done both. Whoops!


:confused: Logic still hurting brain :confused:

Oh man, it happened again! What you said was picked apart. I wonder if there's a pattern developing? Google "metacognitive awareness" and see if anything interesting shows up.

google "get a life"

[ChUcK]

I'll google "get a life" if you work on your social skills.

So anyways, back to the topic at hand. Star plastic. What would be worse, if Innova named a whole new line of plastic for each blend they try, or if they continue to make special blends and pass them off as regular production to the mostly unsuspecting Innova fanboy?

[sillybizz]

I've always wanted to say "Google this motherf***er!" and then shoot someone. :laughing:

One of the many reasons I don't throw a Roc or an Aviar is because of the many different variations (Classic Roc, Ontario, Rancho, etc.) it makes it so confusing to know which one you would want and I'm not willing to go and buy 10 different ones to try and see which one works best for me. There is only one Buzzz (besides the SS) and they all are about the same; why make a billion different variations when you got it right the first time?!

[NWDiscer]

I've always wanted to say "Google this motherf***er!" and then shoot someone. :laughing:

One of the many reasons I don't throw a Roc or an Aviar is because of the many different variations (Classic Roc, Ontario, Rancho, etc.) it makes it so confusing to know which one you would want and I'm not willing to go and buy 10 different ones to try and see which one works best for me.

There is only one Buzzz (besides the SS) and they all are about the same; why make a billion different variations when you got it right the first time?!


ok 1st Aviar and Roc are 2 completely diff discs....

a classic roc is like an XD much more like an approach type disc

ont,rancho, are driver like with rancho more stable out of the box than the ont

the Buzz is a KNOCKOFF of a Roc :whistler:

[XandorF]

I'll google "get a life" if you work on your social skills.

So anyways, back to the topic at hand. Star plastic. What would be worse, if Innova named a whole new line of plastic for each blend they try, or if they continue to make special blends and pass them off as regular production to the mostly unsuspecting Innova fanboy?

just because i CHOOSE to be a confrontational dick, doesn't mean i don't have social skills. blah blah blah lets get back on topic guys! comeon! star plastic feels so nice in my hand. i want someone to make a star plastic blow up doll that i can take home and make sweet sweet love to.

[NWDiscer]

and while i agree that a ton of Innova's "Driver's" ie the High Speed types vary stabilty wise from run 2 run hell even in the same run..... i have 10X KC stuff that is clearish that look like new Champion stuff and then i have opaque 10X's that look like dx?

The Roc is VERY VERY consistent in flight. :D

[General Scales]

the Buzz is a KNOCKOFF of a Roc :whistler:

You could not be any more wrong about this statement unless you really tried.

The Buzzz, is in no way, shape or form, a knockoff of a Roc. That would be a Wasp:shocked:. And of course, I don't have to go on a crazy hunt for a Z Wasp like you do for Champion Rocs.:laughing:

Back to plastics, Star and ESP are practically the same plastic. Hell we even broke them down once with MEK to test the solvent properties of the plastic itself. The Star and ESP broke down at the same rate. Go figure. The only difference is variances in said mold.

[sillybizz]

a classic roc is like an XD much more like an approach type disc

ont,rancho, are driver like with rancho more stable out of the box than the ont

Thank you for making my point.

[NWDiscer]

And of course, I don't have to go on a crazy hunt for a Z Wasp like you do for Champion Rocs.:laughing:




neither do i :D

[Ol' Bob]

i want someone to make a star plastic blow up doll that i can take home and make sweet sweet love to.

Well don't get upset when you absorb enough estrogen mimicking molecules to make you go get a sex change the very next day. Wouldn't that be an ironic twist?

Wouldn't it be cool if Innova just made all their discs with no names or stamps, and we had to mark them up for how we judged them? Their stamps only give me a starting place for that process. That said, they still make the driver molds in the plastics that I can glide farthest. I'm not at all sure why that is.

[ChUcK]

Will there come a time when the PDGA will need to tighten up their tech specs even more? For instance, controlling what polymers can be used to produce golf discs? Few frontiers are left for manufacturers, so I foresee a lot of crazt plastic blend experimentation coming.





just because i CHOOSE to be a confrontational dick, doesn't mean i don't have social skills

Ahhh, a willful neglect of social skills. Even better than honest ignorance! :slapface:

[Mikk]

I too would like to see more availability of the more exotic blended plastics. Like my gummy champion roc or super hard and clear(ice)champion orc. Even better would be a pearl gummy champion cobra- I got mine from Ralph W. 10 years ago. Its the shiznit but realy hard to find :-(
I have been checking e-slay and came across a blended champ/star japan open katana. I gave up after 80$. Being rare is one thing but 80$ for a disc that probibly will never be thrown is crapppp(rant sorry). I'd love to see a blended champ/star disc or even elite z/esp/flx. Unfortunately I think not..Bummer.
I shoulda studied plastic polymers while in school instead of mechanical engineering. Funny that most (core)disc golfers understand more about plastic than anybody.Whodathunkit?

[emmarose]

In my experience the amount of innova discs that vary enough to make a difference in my throw is grossly exagerrated. I have never had a hard time replacing a disc in my bag with another that flies the same. I try not to fall in love with hard to find runs and I also try to rotate in backup discs of the same mold so that if I need to pull one off the bench it will be broken in and fly just the same.


... well said... i very much agree with this sentiment... i definitely have preferences for a particular disc and can be heart broken when i have to replace a dear friend that's been in my bag for a while, but have mostly noticed that it simply takes a while for the disc to get worked in to just where i want it...

... one thing no one else has mentioned (y'all's so caught up in fancy schmancy polymers and such) is the color of the plastic... i find that to be the most noticeable variable for me... my lighter colored (pink, yellow, white, baby blue) 150 star valks fly just right for me... but a dark blue or red one... no thank you! is this real or just psychosomatic 'cause i don't like the color red and think dark blue is hard to find?

peace,
em

[XandorF]

Ahhh, a willful neglect of social skills. Even better than honest ignorance! :slapface:

wow, do i really have to spell it out for you. "...doesn't mean i dont have social skills."

im not neglecting my social skills, im using them to push your buttons. which would imply that i do, infact, have social skills.

you stupid boner.

[Mikk]

... well said... i very much agree with this sentiment... i definitely have preferences for a particular disc and can be heart broken when i have to replace a dear friend that's been in my bag for a while, but have mostly noticed that it simply takes a while for the disc to get worked in to just where i want it...

... one thing no one else has mentioned (y'all's so caught up in fancy schmancy polymers and such) is the color of the plastic... i find that to be the most noticeable variable for me... my lighter colored (pink, yellow, white, baby blue) 150 star valks fly just right for me... but a dark blue or red one... no thank you! is this real or just psychosomatic 'cause i don't like the color red and think dark blue is hard to find?

peace,
em

Funny you mention the color of the plastic. I know a few golfers that think along the same way. Me personaly I like the off red/orange the best. It "seems to me" to be the most gripy like my marbled star max kinda reddish/orangeish. Oddly enough my best distance drive is with a white star destroyer. My longest and coolest ace is with a white Polaris LS. My first ace is with a white dx washington series roc. My best midrange is a white star mako. odd eh?

[General Scales]

Ahh, color choice effecting the stability of a disc. I've heard of such a thing. I think it was Parks that was saying something last year bout somebody who only bombed the baby blue Gateway Illusions because they were a tad bit more stable then the rest of them.

I know that many people are anal about the color of the disc but I've always just assumed it's because OCD sucks and they have to have it that way.

I've never actually noticed a difference between any color of a mold and a difference in flight between the different color variations.

That makes for an interesting experiment and one that I will start working on as soon as I get home. I just buy my discs in the same weights and hopefully the same run of the mold so I know for a fact that they are what I fell in love with.

As for the losing a disc and having a new one be the same right away, that'd be great (and a pipe dream). I fall in love with a disc when they are new. That way I know what to expect when I go to grab the new replacement. Did lose my 1st run Force a couple weeks back and I miss it. Even wrote an ode to it.

[Bullseye]

wow, do i really have to spell it out for you. "...doesn't mean i dont have social skills."

im not neglecting my social skills, im using them to push your buttons. which would imply that i do, infact, have social skills.

you stupid boner.

As you both childishly stumble toward the threshold, I'd like to point out we don't look kindly on personal attacks here. Consider this your warning warning.

[sillybizz]

You really are the Moderhater! :) Sorry, sorry don't banish me oh great one! :nahnah: :laughing: :angel:

[Bullseye]

You really are the Moderhater! :) Sorry, sorry don't banish me oh great one! :nahnah: :laughing: :angel:

Yes, but I did think a pre-warning warning was kind of... tolerant of me... doncha think. :)

[Matt B.]

as you both childishly stumble toward the threshold, i'd like to point out we don't look kindly on personal attacks here. Consider this your warning warning.

boner boner boner boner boner boner

NOW who looks childish? :jumpspin:

[sillybizz]

I don't know I just couldn't get offended by someone calling me a boner; it just makes me laugh.

[ChUcK]

you stupid boner.

Hey, if it wasn't for boners, none of us would be here today. :trophy:

[General Scales]

Hey, if it wasn't for boners, none of us would be here today. :trophy:

And people having unprotected relations. I thank my parents for that every single anniversary :nahnah:.

[sillybizz]

And people having unprotected relations

Relations?! Do you live in amish country or something?

[Yoduh]

Colors do effect the stability of the disc because of the rate of cooling and how much dome or flatness occurs because of such.. The farther you throw the more apparent this becomes.. thread drift is so entertaining.}

[cefire]

Stepping in with a third on the color indicating differences in the flight of discs (both innova and at least old discraft X plastic). I'm not sure anyone can say with certainty that it is in fact the color that causes the difference or that the manufacturers tend to run batches of the same color/stamp at the same time and are affected by the same conditions during molding.

If the color/rate of cooling was the reason, wouldn't you expect close (but not identical) colors to fly near the same? - I don't find this to always be the case IME

[ChUcK]

I'm normally a dedicated skeptic of bogeymen, but I think that the color-flight relationship may have merit, and for precisely the reason Yoduh pointed out, and possibly more. Differently-colored pellets that are used to add hues to the plastic are not made from the same chemicals and will behave differently in the blend. I think the most likely result of this is varying cooling rates, but I wouldn't be surprised if some led to a more porous/denser product, a softer/stiffer product, etc.

I did some studying of the molecular makeup of different dyes, and you wouldn't believe the variances in structure, functional groups, and reactivities. I am sure that the chemicals used to dye plastic during injection are similar in their differences, leading to unpredictable results.

edit: One of these days the manufacturers will be able to afford to build a damn climate controlled 'clean room' for manufacturing, in order to minimize as many environmental variables as possible. Right after Dunipace finishes paying off his yacht, I suppose.

[SPIDER-DAN]

Honestly.......who can really throw the same disc exactly the same exact way every time?

You are a liar if you answered yes. It does not matter if your disc is discraft or innova or any other kind...........every disc will eventually conform to the thrower.

Does my new jk pro aviar-x putter fly like my old one.....no. Even though my new is a proto bar stamp jk aviar and my old is a 3x jk aviar i will have my new putter flying just like my old one did in time. Its called breaking your discs in.........very rare to have a disc fly exactly the way you want right off the shelve.

Just my two cents........please dont bash me.........i play masters now!

[Darr]

Honestly.......who can really throw the same disc exactly the same exact way every time?

You are a liar if you answered yes. It does not matter if your disc is discraft or innova or any other kind...........every disc will eventually conform to the thrower.

Does my new jk pro aviar-x putter fly like my old one.....no. Even though my new is a proto bar stamp jk aviar and my old is a 3x jk aviar i will have my new putter flying just like my old one did in time. Its called breaking your discs in.........very rare to have a disc fly exactly the way you want right off the shelve.

Just my two cents........please dont bash me.........i play masters now!
Very wise :bowing::bowing:
It will no doubt confuse the boners :rockon:

[Bryon_Harris]

You really are the Moderhater! :) Sorry, sorry don't banish me oh great one! :nahnah: :laughing: :angel:

Jeez things are lax in the disc golf world. In other bigger forums I use any kind of disrespect to the moderators is not only intolerable but rarely even seen in public because it is deleted before it gets seen.

It seems totalitarian but when these places get lively enough it becomes clear there needs to be some kind of rule. A tactful but untouchable moderator goes along way in that direction.

[sillybizz]

Not to sway this thread to a different direction or anything but I think we have a good moderator team that is more than fair and direct.

[Ol' Bob]

The drive to push buttons and be the resident dick is some aspiration. Will the real boners please stand up?

Interesting that today's chemical industry, as recently as the first half of the last century, was called, the "dyestuffs industry."

[Ol' Bob]

Jeez things are lax in the disc golf world.

And bless us all for that.

[Mikk]

I didn't think about the color dye in effect to the plastic..I was showing my new star boss to Bjorn and Tuffi last night(Ming too) They seem fasinated as to how soft the disc is. So far it seems to me to be more over stable than my other bosses. I'm gona goto white river after work and try some comparison flights!! Yup any reason to throw!!
On a side note I have a disc dyed with the "boner" logo. HA!!

[Cold Steel]

" So far it seems to me to be more over stable than my other bosses."

If I remember correctly, your disc is 167gm, which means it falls in to the "star lite" category, and is actually more over stable than the heavier Bosses. At least that's what Innova has said. I think the cut off is 169gm for these.

[sillybizz]

" So far it seems to me to be more over stable than my other bosses."

If I remember correctly, your disc is 167gm, which means it falls in to the "star lite" category, and is actually more over stable than the heavier Bosses. At least that's what Innova has said. I think the cut off is 169gm for these.

Back the train up for a second. SO Innova discs in the star plastic are more stable in the lighter weights?

[TYVEK]

Back the train up for a second. SO Innova discs in the star plastic are more stable in the lighter weights?

the plastic they are using in the Star Light discs is a slightly different plastic than the regular star.

[sillybizz]

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of having lighter discs?

[XandorF]

I have a disc dyed with the "boner" logo. HA!!

:rockon: and it should say sillybizz faded out in the background. :nahnah:

[sillybizz]

THAT'S IT!!! Where's the Moderhater!? I want him banned for life!!! :jumpspin: :dancing: ;) :cop: :biggrin2: :laughing: :cool2: :angel: :cheers: :rockon:

[Ol' Bob]

On a side note I have a disc dyed with the "boner" logo. HA!!

Someone has the registered trade mark? :shocked:

[Cold Steel]

the plastic they are using in the Star Light discs is a slightly different plastic than the regular star.

And as far as I know, it is only the Boss that shows this effect. And yes, people that normally want to buy the lightest disc of an overstable mold are usually disappointed.

[captain jack]

The Boss, Destroyer, and Orc, have now been run with the new stabilizing process.
This only affects the lightest weights in the class.
Boss's 165-169 grams, and same for the new Destroyers, only in Star plastic, are much more stable than thier heavier brothers.
These are fantastic discs, being lighter, they go farther, but they will take all the arm you can put into them, and they dont flip.

Some people looking to replace lighter first run Star Destroyers will think they got grandmas arm when they get one of these new discs.

I have a 165 gram Star Destroyer I got from Lowell. He thought it was gonna be a good flyer for him being on the lighter side, but it was a brick for him, so he sold it to me. Its more stable than my 175 gram Eco Star Destroyer, my max weight Feldberg Boss, my max weight Xcal, and my 172 Star Teerex.


They beat in sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. :D

[REDFIVE]

Someone has the registered trade mark? :shocked:

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[3 Fingers]

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boner died.....

[XandorF]

boner died.....

whiskey? that usually does the trick. :chug:

[Uhlman]

I have a black champ that coyote that feels alot like my yellow star coyote. I would say that the color has a lot to do with the feel of the plastic then we think. (that or it was misstamped)

[Ol' Bob]

Well, in my cheap plastic Rattler collection, I had all the same weights. The yellow and orange ones had a rubbery grippy feel, while the blue ones were very waxy and slippery feeling. I eventually put all the blue ones in the loaner box, as I wanted to have them all the same for my practice. When doing putting practice sessions, I noticed that when I made most of the oranges and yellows, I missed most of the blues, and vice versa. It had to be the grip. The blue ones slipped out and the others didn't. I preferred the grippy ones, so I shit-canned the blue ones.

[General Scales]

Color will effect grip for sure. That's why for my Focus's, I try to get them in the black Pro-D. They are grippy while still remaining stiff for push putts. But compared to my red Focus, they fly the exact same even though they are different colors.

As for my little experiment I pulled off this weekend, I found no discernible flight difference between all my clone discs that are the different colors. The only difference I did realize was I have forgotten how to throw my Flick appropriately.