Recent defacements at High Bridge Disc Golf Course

[Spokanite88]

Played High Bridge recently and unfortunately saw more SDGA benches and course features defaced with paint markings of "Norte 214" and other such gang-related graffiti.

My friend said she played Sunday and watched a group (including 3 young dark-haired males dressed in matching red shorts) deface the tee marker rock for hole 4 in this very same manner. A confrontation between groups almost took place which may not have been pleasant or safe for the people involved.

This is saddening, we ran all the deviants and addicts out of High Bridge Park and soon will have them out of Peoples Park. Now our beautiful course is supposedly the property of some adolescent gang of red spray painters? Ahhhhhhh! Did I miss something?

Are the SDGA and the Parks Department aware of this and are there any plans in the works to address this situation?

As always, thanks to SDGA and the fantastic effort they put in to promote the sport and maintain our awesome local courses.

[The Stranger]

What time where they down there?

What age group are we talking about?

Also were they throwing? I ask only because there was talk of the same graffiti over at Downriver.

We probably need to start covering or removing the graffiti.

As for the group we could either find a legal way to handle this, or...

We could start to photo or film them defacing the course. If they drive to the course we could turn a license plate into the police.

Either way they should not feel welcome at either course.

[Spokanite88]

They were there about 11AM and appeared to all be in their twenties. Yes, they were playing the course.

[EWB46]

Awesome that is all we need is gang banging throwers with no respect for the course. Gotta love it.

[friable7]

These individuals have become very active in tagging all over town. I think we still have an SPD oficer that is assigned to Gangs. I know they like to get reports on activity. Please be careful approaching these people. They are not inclined to see the evil of their ways through rational discussion. :chinscratch:

[Sky Pilot]

I have reported this activity to the police. I also covered their markings on basket #13 at Highbridge. I think it looks a lot better. I plan to 'erase' their markings on the benches as well. I will need some help to do this. Any volunteers?

Sky Pilot

[Spokanite88]

Yes, I would definitely like to help and I have a friend who wants to join us.

When were you thinking?

How many volunteers were you hoping to get for this project?

[CityLightsBurn]

Its terrible because this happened yesterday to Downriver as well.
Is this what It looked like at Highbridge?

http://imgur.com/fEPaX.jpg

I saw this on 17. 14 Has it as well.

[Sky Pilot]

I would need to have someone (or a few people) that can sand this stuff off the benches. I can help a little bit with sanding but I have to be careful due to some injuries that I have.
I would like to do it in the evening or early morning. Let me know if you know of a way that we can use electric sanders or battery operated ones (if they exist)
I also heard that the Sharpie marker will actually come off of the Polycarbonite material (plastic) that covers the tee signs at Downriver. I hope so.

Sky Pilot

[sillybizz]

That's too bad but this is kind of what you get in Spo-Compton.

[CityLightsBurn]

Good to hear that the Downriver signs should clean up.

[prospect]

That's too bad but this is kind of what you get in Spo-Compton.

Ignorant statement. This is what you get when you don't have enough people who truly care, not what you get for living in a particular location. I would be willing to bet that there is tagging on the west side of the state, if not more.

[sillybizz]

Ignorant statement. This is what you get when you don't have enough people who truly care, not what you get for living in a particular location. I would be willing to bet that there is tagging on the west side of the state, if not more.

Our courses are a hell of a lot worse than yours I can say this with confidence. I was just giving you guys hell, I love the courses in the Spokane/Coeur d'Alene. I'm sorry to hear about this.

[prospect]

Our courses are a hell of a lot worse than yours I can say this with confidence. I was just giving you guys hell, I love the courses in the Spokane/Coeur d'Alene. I'm sorry to hear about this.

Word

[Sky Pilot]

Hey, I went down to Downriver and wiped ALL the graffiti off of the plastic covering the new tee signs! All I used was a cloth and some rubbing alcohol. Yeah!

Sky Pilot
SDGA
President
:angel:

[Spokanite88]

Good news on the Downriver signs!

I spoke with Kevin yesterday and he mentioned that he had sanded some of the HighBridge benches sometime ago. I am pretty sure he said he had some stain as well. I will try and reach him today to see if he has what we need to get started sanding the benches... early morning is probably going to work better for me.

[Parks]

Everyone make sure to thank Jeff for keeping our courses looking nice!

He's putting in a lot of work even though he's not even playing right now due to injury.

[Sean Johnson]

I spoke with our wood shop foreman, and he doesn't think that they make battery powered sanders. That said; I believe that I can borrow some belt sanders from them that would take off the graffitti in less than five minutes a bench. We would have to figure out how to power them though. A generator in the back of a truck would do nicely if anyone has one. I can get all kinds of things like paint, tools, or lumber wholsale through my employer if needed. I'll chip in for some paint or stain if we still need some. My dad and I will join the work crew if our schedules allow.

Eric Brown:.....I still have throse RR ties for rebuilding 18's teebox, I've just been to busy to get them out of the ground. Things are calming down a bit so I should be able to get off my ass and get stuff done.

[Sky Pilot]

Sean,

That sounds very helpful. Perhaps early Tuesday morning? That's the 25th. Can you get a generator?

Sky Pilot
:angel:

[EWB46]

Depending on the draw on the sanders in question they may be able to run on a power inverter from a car? They are also a bit cheaper than a gen.

[Spokanite88]

Sky Pilot, I am trying to figure out where to come up with a portable generator we can borrow for Tuesday. No luck yet. Do you think we ought to close this thread focused on the problem and open a new one announcing the planned cleanup and include the need for a generator in the title?

Note: This is my first post and I have come to realize that whatever issues raised here are quickly thrown into SDGA's lap for explanation or fixing. I don't want to complicate matters through ineffective use of this board. Let me know the best way to proceed. Thanks.

[Wobbly Bob]

Eric Brown:.....I still have throse RR ties for rebuilding 18's teebox, I've just been to busy to get them out of the ground. Things are calming down a bit so I should be able to get off my ass and get stuff done.

It sure would be nice if we could fix 18's box before the LCO on 6/5/10. :rockon:

I'd buy some beer for the work crew.:chug:

[Sean Johnson]

I work Monday-Friday 6:00-3:00, but I can try and get some time off to come out and work. As a matter of fact...I think I feel a chill coming on. I will get those RR ties ready over the weekend for sure though.

[Wobbly Bob]

I work Monday-Friday 6:00-3:00, but I can try and get some time off to come out and work. As a matter of fact...I think I feel a chill coming on. I will get those RR ties ready over the weekend for sure though.

Thanks Sean, if you call me when they're ready to go I think I can get a truck, the key for the gate and deliver them almost all the way to the tee box. My # is 991-1807.

[Sky Pilot]

I'm not going to let Bob steal you away completely. How about after you fix the tee-box for hole 18 at Highbridge we re-focus and get that graffiti off the benches at Downriver?
I agree that fixing the tee box before LCO is a greater priority. Perhaps by then we'll have figured out how to power a sander once we get to the benches.

Thanks for being willing to help.

Get back to me if you hear anything. You can shoot me an e-mail at genuinehealing@yahoo.com

Thanks Sean

Sky
:angel:

[Sean Johnson]

I can't get a generator, and I don't know about borrowing work tools during business hours. I'm down for doing whatever I can to get rid of that trash though. Do we have any other options for power/tools?
Also, I saw some paint at Sherwin Williams that is supposedly stain (including sharpies) resistant. How does everyone feel about simply painting over the graffiti? I doubt it's cheap, but it would take a lot of labor out of the equation.

[Wobbly Bob]

I can't get a generator, and I don't know about borrowing work tools during business hours. I'm down for doing whatever I can to get rid of that trash though. Do we have any other options for power/tools?
Also, I saw some paint at Sherwin Williams that is supposedly stain (including sharpies) resistant. How does everyone feel about simply painting over the graffiti? I doubt it's cheap, but it would take a lot of labor out of the equation.

If you're talking about Everclean paint from Sherwin-Williams it won't let you wash off Sharpie. Being a painter it's one of the things I checked when the paint was first introduced.

I think that it would be much easier for us to just stain over the marks with a solid color oil base stain. No sanding required, no generator, cost - a $3 throw away brush. Then when they tag the bench again we just touch up the stain.

If we put latex paint on the benches and tee signs instead of oil base stain we will be creating a maintainance issue that will not go away until all the paint peels off.

I will talk to SW and see if I can get some stain at a discount.

[Sky Pilot]

Sounds easier than sanding. And easy to update it should they mark it up again.
We just have to decide when to get it done.

Sky Pilot
SDGA Sign Scrubber
:angel:

[Sean Johnson]

I get a discount at SW through work. It depends on the cost of the product, but it was about $7 a gallon when I picked up some interior paint. I have some rollers that we could use; would they work well with stain (low knap pads)? Also, could we get a stain that is so dark brown that sharpie wouldn't even show up? If no one can even see the writing, then that might take away any motivation to tag up the benches.

[Sean Johnson]

I can do early weekends and afternoons during the week. It would take calling in sick to come out on a weekday morning. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, but I'd rather see if we can work something else out first.

[Sean Johnson]

So I picked up the stain and I have a few rollers, a few brushes, and a few speed pads. I've also got a truck for the weekend, so I can bring the RR ties down. If we can't work out something mutually agreeable for our schedules, is there somewhere I can leave the lumber? I can stain a bench more or less unsupervised, but I don't know a thing about building tee pads.

[Stimpi]

Level... level. Big too.

[Sky Pilot]

So I picked up the stain and I have a few rollers, a few brushes, and a few speed pads. I've also got a truck for the weekend, so I can bring the RR ties down. If we can't work out something mutually agreeable for our schedules, is there somewhere I can leave the lumber? I can stain a bench more or less unsupervised, but I don't know a thing about building tee pads.
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What color is the stain and how much do you have. I'd like to do this soon if the weather permits.

Sky Pilot
SDGA Bench Painter
:angel:

[Sean Johnson]

It's a gallon of dark brown color. I will be out there as soon as the weather breaks. I really want to do it before the tournament though

[Sky Pilot]

It's a gallon of dark brown color. I will be out there as soon as the weather breaks. I really want to do it before the tournament though

I now have access to a 1000 watt portable generator. I was wondering if this stuff could be sprayed.
Bob, if you're following this, please let me know if this solid color stain can be sprayed on...

Jeff

[Sean Johnson]

I now have access to a 1000 watt portable generator. I was wondering if this stuff could be sprayed.
Bob, if you're following this, please let me know if this solid color stain can be sprayed on...

Jeff

Not sure if this matters, but the one that I have is water based stain.

[Wobbly Bob]

There is no need for a sprayer to paint the benches. They should only take about 5 minute to roll out.

[Wobbly Bob]

A big thanks to those who came out and helped with 18's Tee Box.


Deron
Zach
Sean
Rob
Jeremy
Rob's friend
Joe
Lisa
Shrack
everyone whose name I forgot


We'll finish our water diversion project there after the LCO is over.

[Sky Pilot]

Sean did you pain any benches. Let me know if you're going out to do this.

Sky P.

[Sean Johnson]

Sean did you pain any benches. Let me know if you're going out to do this.

Sky P.

I painted all the benches today, but not any of the planks (like the one on 18) or the signs. Once I realized that the course layout had changed, I had to kind of jam through it so I could play the different placements before the tournament. I plan on staining the signage and giving the benches another coat, but I doubt I will be able to do it before this weekend. There is enough left to do at least the signs, but probably not the posts.

[Sky Pilot]

Sean,

I was down there today and saw that you had painted them. They looked better and it appeared that the graffiti was nicely covered. Good job!

I recently re-finished the sign frames at Downriver they don't need to be painted.

Gordy has built 18 new frames and posts for Highbridge. They would need to have some stain or sealer on them unless he's done this himself. Check with Gordy about this.

Thanks for your hard work.

Sky Pilot

[Burge]

Okay, I just played Highbridge this morning and guess who's back to their old tricks?

You guessed it: Norte. Before I go on, let me vent some unbridled emoticon vehemence:

:angry::mad::headbang::evilgrin::headbang::mad::an gry::evilgrin::angry::shooting:

Now, Let's take a broader perspective on this current 'Norte' problem by thinking about who 'Norte' is... more than likely, Norte is just some ignorant punk who feels the need to inflate his fragile ego by wielding his blatant disregard for other people's efforts at community-building by pissing all over their hard work like a dog with a can of red spray paint. The reality is that 'Norte' is just that: an ignorant punk. He wont last. Chances are he'll soon wind up in jail, or worse, and the 'Norte ' tagging will mysteriously stop. If someone happens to see him in the act (again) and lucks out enough to actually get the cops to nail him for vandalism, all that will happen is a court appearance and a fine and then old 'Norte' will be back with a vengence. So, painting over is the best method, and the quicker the better.

Hey Bob, what product are you using? I swear I've got some Behr oil-based one-coat opaque deck stain that is that exact same color(if not damn close). I'm gonna keep a can in the back of the car and just go over 'Norte's' piss whenever I find it.:evilgrin:

[Tim]

I'd imagine Norte is a "they" rather than a "he".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte%C3%B1os

[Sky Pilot]

I'd imagine Norte is a "they" rather than a "he".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte%C3%B1os

Sean if you're following this and you still have some of that solid color oil based stain and you want to cover this latest offence by the gang - please feel free. I don't know if there is any Norte graffiti at Downriver. If there is and you want to cover that feel free.

Sky Pilot
Back to playing again - sort of - only backhand... better than nothing... Putting is more consistent :jumpspin:
SDGA

[Burge]

I'd imagine Norte is a "they" rather than a "he".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte%C3%B1os

Hmm...highly likely. Regardless, it still means that covering the tags ASAP and continuing to take pride in our course will be the best defense.

[prospect]

Okay, I just played Highbridge this morning and guess who's back to their old tricks?

You guessed it: Norte. Before I go on, let me vent some unbridled emoticon vehemence:

:angry::mad::headbang::evilgrin::headbang::mad::an gry::evilgrin::angry::shooting:

Now, Let's take a broader perspective on this current 'Norte' problem by thinking about who 'Norte' is... more than likely, Norte is just some ignorant punk who feels the need to inflate his fragile ego by wielding his blatant disregard for other people's efforts at community-building by pissing all over their hard work like a dog with a can of red spray paint. The reality is that 'Norte' is just that: an ignorant punk. He wont last. Chances are he'll soon wind up in jail, or worse, and the 'Norte ' tagging will mysteriously stop. If someone happens to see him in the act (again) and lucks out enough to actually get the cops to nail him for vandalism, all that will happen is a court appearance and a fine and then old 'Norte' will be back with a vengence. So, painting over is the best method, and the quicker the better.

Hey Bob, what product are you using? I swear I've got some Behr oil-based one-coat opaque deck stain that is that exact same color(if not damn close). I'm gonna keep a can in the back of the car and just go over 'Norte's' piss whenever I find it.:evilgrin:

I would love to sit in the bushes with a ghillie suit and a paintball gun and "tag" them back, but unfortunately it is usually several punks, not just one. I've also noticed an older guy with them as well, so it's not just a young kid. You can recognize these assholes by their very fasionable all red clown suits and generally shitty attitude. I also find it hilarious that they find the need to "rep" at a disc golf course. I guess gang members aren't as hardcore as they used to be, and back alleys are too scary. Douches.

[3 Fingers]

norte is a mexican gang.Means Northside. :shooting: little bas-TARDS .uh ??with the paintball I mean . google it

[Parks]

Call the cops if you see them doing anything out at the course.

Get their car make/model/year and license plate numbers and post them on here so people can know when to keep a look out for them.

[Yoduh]

Call the cops if you see them doing anything out at the course.

Get their car make/model/year and license plate numbers and post them on here so people can know when to keep a look out for them.

I was down there when this happened. We walked up to hole 2 and saw them walking from 3 back over to 17. When we got up to the benches I looked down and saw the painting and said aloud.. "I wonder what idiots wrote this crap? Don't they realize that this just makes them look stupid and causes everybody to loose respect for them?" I poured water on it and tried scrubbing it but it barely did anything.. When we got out of earshot Kevin called the police and made a report. They left after hole 18, there was 5 of them on team red and white and there was 6 of us but everbody with me wasn't comfortable at all with me when I was speaking (very loudly, they were 50ft from me) Hopefully they got the message.. We have to do what Kevin has been doing down at People's Fix their crap right away until they realize that there energy is being wasted.. WE MUST OUTLAST THEM.. We will as we have been here and are staying.

[Sean Johnson]

Sean if you're following this and you still have some of that solid color oil based stain and you want to cover this latest offence by the gang - please feel free. I don't know if there is any Norte graffiti at Downriver. If there is and you want to cover that feel free.

Sky Pilot
Back to playing again - sort of - only backhand... better than nothing... Putting is more consistent :jumpspin:
SDGA

I do still have some, but I am on vacation for the next week so I will not be able to get to it until next Sunday or Monday. Due to the fact that I am recently unemployed, I will only be able to afford maybe one more gallon. I will do as much as I can on both courses with what I have. If anyone has any other projects for our courses, I will be happy to lend a hand when I get back.

[Sky Pilot]

Sean,

Did you check with Gordy about the sign posts that he's made? These will need to have a coat or 2 of something on them prior to being installed - due to the fact that they are new. I put a walnut stain on the tee signs at Downriver and sealed it with a coat of Bahr sealer and finisher. I think they look pretty good and will better withstand the weather. I'd like to see something like that on the new signs as well. Wobbley Bob is a painter as well as Rob and Kevin Sakus.
Let's get this done this summer. There's no reason why we can't. I'll help as much as I can to coordinate the meeting of the folks that can accomplish this.
Get back to me or call me at 475-5378

Thanks Sean

Sky Pilot
:angel:

[Burge]

I do still have some, but I am on vacation for the next week so I will not be able to get to it until next Sunday or Monday. Due to the fact that I am recently unemployed, I will only be able to afford maybe one more gallon. I will do as much as I can on both courses with what I have. If anyone has any other projects for our courses, I will be happy to lend a hand when I get back.

Post or pm the name of the product, or a product number, and I could afford to go buy a gallon and at least re-coat the benches.