Why No DX Bosses and Katanas?

[Ol' Bob]

Lite DX is what I have found I can throw. I'm even willing to buy the four or five wildly varying flight patterns to find the single 150ish one that works right for me. So, it's not like I'm just slacking and making poor ol' Innova go broke.

Innova, have mercy on the likes of me. :(

[Minordiety]

Lite DX is what I have found I can throw. I'm even willing to buy the four or five wildly varying flight patterns to find the single 150ish one that works right for me. So, it's not like I'm just slacking and making poor ol' Innova go broke.

Innova, have mercy on the likes of me. :(
Bob,

I know they have r-pro down to the low 140's. Just bought my wife a 143 r-pro boss.

[Ol' Bob]

Bob,

I know they have r-pro down to the low 140's. Just bought my wife a 143 r-pro boss.

But no R-Pro Katanas.

R-Pro Bosses are what I'm left with. The trouble is, R-Pro has been analyzed and has proven to be made from cheese. While it costs more than DX, it has an even shorter working life. I need some light DXs to have a chance that one will beat into a sweet spot for me, not just quickly pass through it, like R-Pro. I have worn out a good number of the R-Pro Bosses already. I'm using my least ruined ones now, until I'm ready to waste some more money on cheese I'm not going to eat.

Anyway, thanks for trying. I think Innova is the only one who can really help me. I just wish I knew what they were up to. Tired of selling $7 discs that out-last the $10 ones, I guess.

[Minordiety]

But no R-Pro Katanas.

R-Pro Bosses are what I'm left with. The trouble is, R-Pro has been analyzed and has proven to be made from cheese. While it costs more than DX, it has an even shorter working life. I need some light DXs to have a chance that one will beat into a sweet spot for me, not just quickly pass through it, like R-Pro. I have worn out a good number of the R-Pro Bosses already. I'm using my least ruined ones now, until I'm ready to waste some more money on cheese I'm not going to eat.

Anyway, thanks for trying. I think Innova is the only one who can really help me. I just wish I knew what they were up to. Tired of selling $7 discs that out-last the $10 ones, I guess.

I understand about the r-pro. One tree and it's over(perhaps I should say under for understable.)

Sorry.

[Ol' Bob]

Maybe Innova is still in negotiations with Springsteen for rights to the hot stamp art for the DX Boss.

[runnaman]

you can try just pro. they don't make them as light, but they last longer and are the same price as r-pro.

[sillybizz]

If you can't throw a disc for distance in to the 165g and up range then you probably have no business throwing a Katana or Boss. The "fastest" thing I throw is a Predator and Valkyrie.

[Ol' Bob]

I'm sorry, it's just that I can throw the light R-Pro Bosses and Katanas quite a ways farther than anything else I've tried. Goofy me likes that. When I lost my out-of-print R-Pro Katana in the drink at Trojan, someone felt sorry for me and bought me a Pro 168. It might as well be a Firebird. I just don't have the snap for it. I want the DX option because for distance drivers, they've been my longest. If I could use Champion or Star, I'd gladly pay, and love it that the discs didn't wear out. I just don't get why Innova holds out on me and the girls who need the light stuff.

That R-Pro Katana was my longest driver yet. It was FAST that even I could play with and have fun.

[Sausage Fingers]

I'm sorry, it's just that I can throw the light R-Pro Bosses and Katanas quite a ways farther than anything else I've tried. Goofy me likes that. When I lost my out-of-print R-Pro Katana in the drink at Trojan (it was my longest driver yet), someone felt sorry for me and bought me a Pro 168. It might as well be a Firebird. I just don't have the snap for it. I want the DX option because for distance drivers, they've been my longest. If I could use Champion or Star, I'd gladly pay, and love it that the discs didn't wear out. I just don't get why Innova holds out on me and the girls who need the light stuff.

I'm right behind you there Ol Bob! 150g DX Katanas & Bosses! Get them out there!:pirate:

[REDFIVE]

there are the latest and greatest and lightest here (http://www.herodiscusa.com/disc-golf-discs)

There is also a large lightweight selection here (http://www.theudgc.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=61)

[Parks]

DX Destroyer may be your best bet until Innova releases light DX Bosses and Katanas.

[GettinBetter]

there are pro d forces at 150g

[captain jack]

If you can't throw a disc for distance in to the 165g and up range then you probably have no business throwing a Katana or Boss.

Thats just ignorant. :slapface:
Why do you continue to let your fingers type stuff you really know nothing about ?

My longest flying discs are also my lightest ones.
150 Beast
145 Boss
150 Valk
Its no secret that lighter discs fly farther downwind, or uphill, and you and all the rest of the " You should be able to throw a Teebird 400' before you throw anything faster" people are idiots.

I'm not powerful, but I have mad skills, and I throw the fastest discs available, and I throw them well.

The "fastest" thing I throw is a Predator and Valkyrie.
Why do you assume anybody cares ?

He throws a Boss really far Tom, you dont think he's tried an Eagle, or a Valk already ?
Dont preach. :nono:
If you cant get him, and me, Dx Boss's and Katanas, then this thread gains nothing from your contribution.

[emmarose]

If you can't throw a disc for distance in to the 165g and up range then you probably have no business throwing a Katana or Boss. The "fastest" thing I throw is a Predator and Valkyrie.

pshaw! no business... whatever... i'll no business you, buddy! i think as more ladies get into this sport and as masters turn into grandmasters turn into senior grandmasters, innova is going to have to start catering to our needs... and if we don't speak up, how will they know what we need? i have as much business as anybody else to throw a boss or a katana if i want to... and speaking of bosses... you're not the boss of me, sillyboy! ;)

... no business... try to tell me what to do... :nono:

peace,
em
:angel:

[Adam Schneider]

I think beginners have no business throwing anything faster than a Leopard or a Teebird. But once you've been out there for a while, you should be informed enough to know what's going to work for you, or not, so throw whatever the hell you want.

[REDFIVE]

yeah! and your aces are lame!

[sillybizz]

People ganging up against me again?! The only thing you guys are missing are the torches and pitchforks! :laughing: And Chris my aces aren't lame!!! :cop: :)

You can throw what you want to throw I guess. Personally I think the added 20 feet of distance isn't worth the pain of not being able to keep the disc in the fairway all the time. I love light discs, it's not that I don't like light discs I just think a 150 Valkyrie is easier to throw and control for me than a 150 boss.

[Trozzle!!!]

I have a 167 Pro Katana. They are being made. In my own opinion Pro is pretty close to DX, but not quite the same.

[Chuck Kennedy]

I believe Dunipace said they can't make some wide rimmed disc models successfully in DX because the flight plate is so thin. It just won't flow in and uniformly fill the plate without leaving openings. The R-Pro plastic is denser and apparently allows the plastic to flow and fill the thin flight plate allowing lower weight versions of these models to be produced.

[Ol' Bob]

I believe Dunipace said they can't make some wide rimmed disc models successfully in DX because the flight plate is so thin. It just won't flow in and uniformly fill the plate without leaving openings.

Crap!

[Ol' Bob]

The only thing you guys are missing are the torches and pitchforks! :laughing:

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[snap7times]

I say try beat 10x kc pro eagle... i got one that was already beaten and this baby flies so nice on a much softer throw... Instead of trying for bosses and katanas... find those speed 7-9 discs that fly far and easily on lower power??

[captain jack]

I say try beat 10x kc pro eagle... i got one that was already beaten and this baby flies so nice on a much softer throw... Instead of trying for bosses and katanas... find those speed 7-9 discs that fly far and easily on lower power??

Still doesnt fly as far. :(

I have
150 Champ Eagle X
141 KC Pro Gazelle
150 Dx Beast
150 Dx Destroyer
150 Star Valkyrie
150 Dx Teerex
147 Dx Valkyrie
150 Dx Stingray
150 R Pro Boss
145 R Pro Boss
136 R Pro Boss
124 Nike Raging Inferno DT Ultralight

The Beast, then the 136 Boss fly consistently the farthest downwind with my puny OAT riddled arm.
Dx Destroyer is VERY stable, flies sky high flex lines like the Teerex, but lacks the glide of the Boss.

I would buy 150 Katanas if I could find them.

They did run some 150 class Dx Xcalibers for the J.O. but I dont think demand is good enough to release this disc in regular production.

Dave has production Boss's and Destroyers in premium Star plastic down to 165 grams now, its only a matter of time before he gets the right formula to mold these in 150 class.

[SPIDER-DAN]

It is hard to describe what we may think is best for anyone else.......just suggestions of course. I found out that my own son actually throws a slipstream gt very well even though he can throw a pro katana further. I have added some good d with the katana and i love it........got 4 in the bag, but the jk valkyrie and champion/star sidewinders are still my choice for very pinpiont accuracy shots.

However i did notice that if a pro katana gets beat in for about 3-6 months it will more than likely fly very understable and just like a dx version if there was one. I throw a 168 pro katana first run and i flip it over pretty easily most of the time and i do not have the big arms like most pros. I throw an average of 350' but i also throw with my disc at the hyzer position and let them flip up as well.........always something to take into consideration when suggesting discs to anyone else.

[snap7times]

Accuracy is way more important than distance... And just saying it takes alot more power to throw those speed 13 discs regardless of their weight. I would totally advise the older men to watch Dr. Voakes, that guy has like 10 discs in his bag and he just throws smoothly and his accuracy is awesome but he has no distance.

[Uhlman]

What I think Ol’ Bob is saying is that he like how the DX plastic feels in his hands and he also likes how the Boss and Katana flies for his throwing style. He is also, from what I hear, “old and decrepit” and therefore throws lightweight discs. Naturally, he wants the mold, plastic, and weight he can throw effectively. Is that really too much to ask? I don't think so.

[Ol' Bob]

I could live with R-Pro if it didn't cost more for plastic that won't last worth a crap. Some DXs (if only a few) beat just right into my wheelhouse and stay there.

It's quite simple, while the R-Pro Bosses are in their five minute window of beat in just right, I can glide them farther than anything else I've tried. Next time I hit something, that may be over. I haven't had an R-Pro anything that has lasted.

"Fast" is a funny descriptor for discs. For a given weight, no disc is going to be faster than anyone's arm/wrist speed at release. Perhaps "drag rating" would be a better way to put it. That sharp edge and long tapered wide rim combine for less drag and faster rotation. Obviously, it is these lightweights, once beat up a little, that maximize my ability to glide. The wider rim allows me (the snapless wonder) to impart a little better spin, and that is probably where that little extra distance I get comes from.

All that aside, if there are technical difficulties in molding the so-called "fast" discs in a lighter DX, then I guess I'm screwed and will go wanting, grumbling at the more spendy R-Pros when they go flip city, far too soon.

[Flatroc]

Hey Bob,
Have you tried having 2, 3 of the same disc (mold,weight) and once one is at a certain stage don't use it for shots it can get beat more.
For instance I carry 4-5 Rocs most of the time.
#1 is beat to crap and makes magic and 4 or 5 are "clean" and I use them mainly where I won't smack a tree too soon from my release.
If you haven't tried the 150 dx Destroyer yet, I would.
Also, those ultra light Infernos that Cap Jack mentioned are really boss man.
They feel a lot like DX.

[barbikes]

I too have found that the R-pro Boss goes further than any other disc for me. I also agree that they get flippy real quick.
Y'all have tried tuning them haven't you? I find that if I work all the way around on a flippy one bending the outside rim up that they are even more stable than new and seem to hold the set for a game or two at least. Tuning them greatly increases their lifespan.
Of course, Your results may vary.

[Another Primate]

Maybe Innova is still in negotiations with Springsteen for rights to the hot stamp art for the DX Boss.


That's funny.

[T-Bird]

Some DXs (if only a few) beat just right into my wheelhouse and stay there.

I have a DX Teebird that did that. It's just right and seems to be staying that way. Love it.

[Ol' Bob]

That's why, if not producing these discs is a marketing strategy, it wouldn't make sense. Though the DX is cheaper, I'll buy enough of them to find that one disc, knowing it will fly better for me than the ones that last forever that you only buy once.