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JMan

December 6th, 2008, 12:41 AM

I still check odsa but find most of the posting to be older than here. I like the nwdgn format much better, but am still willing to check odsa for any news that may not be posted here. By far the dg board I check most often is DGR; I really like its global outreach. DGR being global means I can skip the local politics and interact with a larger audience that is more focused on the game we love without our bouts of bickering. However, for news on the local pdx scene nwdgn is the most up to date.

Jet

December 6th, 2008, 09:32 AM

I'm glad we have both. In case one goes down. I like this forum for the arcade games,

jlyons

December 11th, 2008, 12:52 PM

Recenly discovered the Arcade...I'm a lush for time wasting fun like this :biggrin2:

all2common

December 11th, 2008, 02:03 PM

Scott

December 11th, 2008, 02:09 PM

I've stopped checking ODSA due to the fact that I cannot for some strange reason get a new login. I simply updated my email address and bam, deactivated. It's been a month or so waiting to be reactivated. Oh well....

The same thing happened to me. I had to ask someone to send a PM to Jub so I could be reactivated. I wouldn't know how to go about it now that Jub is no longer on ODSA.

keys

December 11th, 2008, 02:23 PM

I've stopped checking ODSA due to the fact that I cannot for some strange reason get a new login. I simply updated my email address and bam, deactivated. It's been a month or so waiting to be reactivated. Oh well....

You are fixed now. Not sure what is up with getting deactivated when you changed your email address. If anyone has account problems on odsa let me know and I will get you fixed up.

Jet

December 11th, 2008, 02:35 PM

ODSA can be like the Emergency Broadcasting System for NW DG News. :D

all2common

December 11th, 2008, 04:12 PM

You are fixed now. Not sure what is up with getting deactivated when you changed your email address. If anyone has account problems on odsa let me know and I will get you fixed up.

Thanks, Dustin!

Adam Schneider

December 11th, 2008, 04:22 PM

Thank god for bot-proof auto-activation.

Sausage Fingers

December 11th, 2008, 08:01 PM

ODSA can be like the Emergency Broadcasting System for NW DG News. :D

You are dating yourself with this reference Jet! The system is now called Emergency Alert System and has been since '94. EBS was in service for a long time for most of us '63-'94 and soon we will have to update to a newer system some time in '09 depending on when the FCC comes down with their decision.

I have been filling out EBS/EAS logs for many years...:pirate:

Jet

December 12th, 2008, 10:00 AM

You are dating yourself with this reference Jet! The system is now called Emergency Alert System and has been since '94. EBS was in service for a long time for most of us '63-'94 and soon we will have to update to a newer system some time in '09 depending on when the FCC comes down with their decision.

I have been filling out EBS/EAS logs for many years...:pirate:
The connotation of using EBS was on purpose. :shocked: And yes, I'm dated. :laughing:

Sausage Fingers

December 12th, 2008, 10:45 AM

The connotation of using EBS was on purpose. :shocked: And yes, I'm dated. :laughing:

My bad, the Geek impulse was too much to resist!:bricks::pirate:

Jet

December 12th, 2008, 01:28 PM

My bad, the Geek impulse was too much to resist!:bricks::pirate:Yer post was very informative. I didn't know it was 1994 that the name switched. What do they need to change on the newer system in 09?

I've heard 2 broadcasts that weren't tests: 1) was for a lightening storm warning and 2) for a funnel cloud. The volume was pretty low and there was a lot of noise which made it kinda hard to make out the words. It sounded like the New York subway announcements.

Sausage Fingers

December 12th, 2008, 01:58 PM

Yer post was very informative. I didn't know it was 1994 that the name switched. What do they need to change on the newer system in 09?

I've heard 2 broadcasts that weren't tests: 1) was for a lightening storm warning and 2) for a funnel cloud. The volume was pretty low and there was a lot of noise which made it kinda hard to make out the words. It sounded like the New York subway announcements.

Well, the first thing is to get rid of the damn scratchy analog audio and distribute digital audio that people can actually HEAR for once.

Behind the scenes it is mostly an upgrade in equipment so we can access the equipment over a LAN network and print the reports out on any printer that we want instead of the damn thermal paper that fades over time. Plus it will integrate into our other radio systems much better.

We have run Amber alerts and weather alerts and even one time when 911 went down for Vancouver... It was originally to allow the President to be able to address the entire country in case of nuclear attack, but it has never been used by a President all the way back to the original CONELRAD system which predated EBS.:pirate:

Jet

December 12th, 2008, 02:10 PM

Well, the first thing is to get rid of the damn scratchy analog audio and distribute digital audio that people can actually HEAR for once.

Behind the scenes it is mostly an upgrade in equipment so we can access the equipment over a LAN network and print the reports out on any printer that we want instead of the damn thermal paper that fades over time. Plus it will integrate into our other radio systems much better.

We have run Amber alerts and weather alerts and even one time when 911 went down for Vancouver... It was originally to allow the President to be able to address the entire country in case of nuclear attack, but it has never been used by a President all the way back to the original CONELRAD system which predated EBS.:pirate:
And then scientist invented the internet to protect communications after a nuclear event. 'member back in the day when the internet used to be all text based and only had science related websites. :)

Ol' Bob

December 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM

I remember the internet being fun and good. It's really gone to shit.

Sausage Fingers

December 12th, 2008, 07:09 PM

I remember the internet being fun and good. It's really gone to shit.

Sorry, I'll trade you your text-only BBS for streaming video (Movies,TV & porn) all day long...

Now when they let our ISPs block us from international sites, THEN I will agree with you. But for now I have some new free porn to watch...:pirate:

Ol' Bob

December 12th, 2008, 07:17 PM

It used to inform. Now it sells. Being off dialup might improve my experience, but something qualitatively changed some time back. Dialup wasn't so bad when a search got you info instead of ads. Once it was in the spirit of giving. That's pretty much gone. Too much chaff.

CarlitosBonitos

January 7th, 2009, 11:14 AM

Sausage Fingers

January 7th, 2009, 11:38 AM

I was slow coming to this site, but I have to admit... THis has easily become the site for up to date info and quick replys from those who hold the info you seek. There is little to no activity at ODSA, hmm Nice job Sam!

Well since he was the single person who posted on that site the most, once he left they lost 50% of their traffic!:eek:

I'm only here for the 247 mini golf and cribbage master! Damn addictive little games...:pirate:

LJ Jubner

January 8th, 2009, 08:41 AM

Well since he was the single person who posted on that site the most, once he left they lost 50% of their traffic!

If thats the case The same could be said here too. He has nearly 50% 0f the posts. I do have to admit the rhetoric has been dialed down some.

I find it interesting that some of you think odsa is such a crappy site. Yet most of you still go there to post and/or promote your events but still have the nuts to bad mouth it. HERE!. Douche Bags

Adam Schneider

January 8th, 2009, 09:19 AM

I find it interesting that some of you think odsa is such a crappy site.
The reasons we thought/think ODSA is crappy have been well-covered and are facts, not opinions: lack of an edit function (remedied for a while although it seems to have gone AWOL again); lack of responsive moderation (mostly due to a simple lack of moderators); lack of any useful content other than the forum (when were the ODSA course directory and calendar last updated?).

CarlitosBonitos

January 8th, 2009, 09:33 AM

I find it interesting that some of you think odsa is such a crappy site. Yet most of you still go there to post and/or promote your events but still have the nuts to bad mouth it. HERE!. Douche Bags

No one said it was a crappy site, it is actually a wonderful site, my only issue was that there has been a huge drop off in posts, and the only thing that seems to be posted regularly is event updates. there has been a major drop off in the fun and other topics that make me think, or at least make my days go by quicker. And speaking of Douche Bags... didn't you just do what you are accusing us of doing to earn our douch bag status, you came on the other site and badmouthed it by badmouthing those who frequent it. Well played sir... By the way it takes a big man to hide behind an avatar and call people names, perhaps you want to avoid doing this in the future. We all have a common interest, and I don't see the reason for childish name calling. Just a thought. Also the point of my comments were to commend Sam and anyone else who has helped to bring this site along.

JMan

January 8th, 2009, 09:57 AM

A long time poster in both I have seen this site grow while watching odsa diminish, it's not good or bad, right or wrong, good or evil, just a reality.
See, no names, no blames, just observation.

"Over the Hill" Bob

January 8th, 2009, 10:06 AM

Sausage Fingers

January 8th, 2009, 10:27 AM

A long time poster in both I have seen this site grow while watching odsa diminish, it's not good or bad, right or wrong, good or evil, just a reality.
See, no names, no blames, just observation.

And that was what I was trying to say in my post, Jubby.

If the person who posts the most leaves one site and goes to another, it doesn't make one site better than another. I was just stating the facts: until a new Sam-like poster finds and posts to ODSA as much as he did, the traffic will be less.

But I still like the arcade!:pirate:

keys

January 8th, 2009, 11:00 AM

The reasons we thought/think ODSA is crappy have been well-covered and are facts, not opinions: lack of an edit function (remedied for a while although it seems to have gone AWOL again); lack of responsive moderation (mostly due to a simple lack of moderators); lack of any useful content other than the forum (when were the ODSA course directory and calendar last updated?).

What thread has the edit feature disappeared from? I just checked and it's still enabled.

Adam Schneider

January 8th, 2009, 11:06 AM

What thread has the [ODSA] edit feature disappeared from? I just checked and it's still enabled.
It was "North Clackamas Update," last night; I wanted to edit the URL I posted (less than five minutes after posting it), and the Edit button was not there.

keys

January 8th, 2009, 11:14 AM

It was "North Clackamas Update," last night; I wanted to edit the URL I posted (less than five minutes after posting it), and the Edit button was not there.

Fixed.

Sam

January 8th, 2009, 11:20 AM

Also the point of my comments were to commend Sam and anyone else who has helped to bring this site along.

Two words for you: Adam Schneider.

The guy is a machine when it comes to keeping this site fresh and making positive changes to the user experience. I built the chocolate shell. Adam filled it with the creamy Cadbury goodness!

jevon

January 8th, 2009, 11:33 AM

I built the chocolate shell. Adam filled it with the creamy Cadbury goodness!

Oh my, TMI!!! Isn't there some sort of "don't ask, don't tell" protocol around here? :shocked:

LJ Jubner

January 8th, 2009, 11:41 AM

If thats the case The same could be said here too. That if the major posterts (never mind content) just sheer numbers. then yes it has slowed. But if you take into consideration content odsa is much better off without the number 1 poster of all time. In addition odsa has been around for 10 years now, #1 did all his posting in a little over 3 years

He has nearly 50% 0f the posts HERE also. I do have to admit the rhetoric has been dialed down some.

I find it interesting that some of you think odsa is such a crappy site. Yet most of you still go there to post and/or promote your events but still have the nuts to bad mouth it. HERE!. Douche Bags

SchneiderThe first three things you mentioned are easliy moderated.

1 Edit = preview easy enough

2 Moderator Adults should be capable of moderating themselves. Sounds good in theroy but lacks consistent implimentation.

3 Useful Content. Not up to odsa to start discusion. The lack of content is our responsability. Want ot hear a ruckus try dropping under/non used forum link's. In my opinion what your really saying is no gossip/bad blood you know DRAMA for you to amuse yourself with.

4 Site updates are something that takes time are you willing to give up your time to help odsa? What about here at NWDGN?

Not to bad mouth this site but
1 no vendors link yet, (but the arcade was up and running the first day)

2 What about the course directory here?

3 The only reason the calendar is here is because of Gawain's solo efforts to keep it updated and the fact TD's submit their info to him. Odsa get lots of upcoming threads but not many actual flyers to link. Remember the old days when you actually had to "snail mail" flyers to clubs and then hoped they actually posted them.

Sam

January 8th, 2009, 12:01 PM

Wow, man... talk about opening mouth and inserting foot. I think it would be easier to point out the things that Schlub got right than it would to point out the things he got wrong.

I think it is funny that Jub thinks Adam should pitch in a little around here. As if he were trying to help those he is arguing with...

I'll respond to the things that he got wrong about this site and allow someone else to defend/decry what had the potential to be a great site but is now not so much...

1. Vendors link is up. Perhaps if you pulled your head out for a second and clicked the link, you would see that.

2. Course Directory is up. Please click on Courses and see what happens.

3. It is stupid to try to reinvent the wheel. ODSA should have long ago turned the calendar over to Gawain. Another stupid decision on the owner's part.

Jub... seriously... the more you post, the less doubt there is that you are a buffoon who speaks before he thinks.

Adam Schneider

January 8th, 2009, 12:14 PM

1 Edit = preview easy enough
It's not the same and you know it. Fortunately, this HAS been added to the ODSA forum; I think the thread I had trouble with was an old one from before they allowed editing.

2 Moderator Adults should be capable of moderating themselves. Sounds good in theroy but lacks consistent implimentation.
Which is why active moderators are needed. Besides, I wasn't talking about flame wars; I meant things like moving threads, creating new sub-forums, fixing broken links, etc. Not mention activating new accounts, which can be done automatically with the right software -- but ODSA still requires manual activation, and the mods have tended not to keep up with it.

3 Useful Content. Not up to odsa to start discusion. The lack of content is our responsability. Want ot hear a ruckus try dropping under/non used forum link's. In my opinion what your really saying is no gossip/bad blood you know DRAMA for you to amuse yourself with.
I hate forum drama. By "useful content" I was talking about the non-discussion parts of ODSA, which are outdated and/or non-existent.

4 Site updates are something that takes time are you willing to give up your time to help odsa? What about here at NWDGN?
Yes, what about it? Ask Sam whether I've given up any time to update things.

Not to bad mouth this site but
1 no vendors link yet
Are you freakin' kidding (http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/vendors.php) me???

2 What about the course directory here?
The "course directory" (http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/courses.php) information on this site takes the form of a sticky "Course Information" thread in EVERY course's sub-forum. (Example. (http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33)) These sticky posts can be updated at any time, using input from all of the site's users. Granted, we haven't finished all of them yet; it takes some work. By the way, Jub, show me the Leverich Park entry on ODSA's course info page. No? How about Horning's Hideout? Trojan???

3 The only reason the calendar is here is because of Gawain's solo efforts to keep it updated and the fact TD's submit their info to him.
Does it matter who created the calendar? The point is, this site has a prominent link to Gawain's very complete calendar, whereas ODSA.com still has a "schedule" link that until this past fall was empty and even now only lists a few tournaments.

JMan

January 8th, 2009, 12:34 PM

Memo
To: Site admin
Re: Sam & Jub
Please create a Sam and Jub Thread - guys really, we're tired of the repartee. We all support your right to have it but it would be better contained in its own area where those interested in watching and participating can. When it bleeds over into every discussion thread it slowly diminishes the site, odsa as the example. And a personal note - PLEASE

Sam

January 8th, 2009, 12:35 PM

J, I think we are discussing the subject at hand and it is appropriate for us to disagree here. I know you don't like the banter but if it is on topic and not "flaming" it is OK in my book. Others disagree?

JMan

January 8th, 2009, 12:41 PM

It has been so nice to not have to wade through it, until now. And you're right, it's not flaming...but I recognize the wood stacking that is currently under way.

On another note, I have a fiver for you, that I've been carrying for a few months.

Sam

January 8th, 2009, 12:46 PM

I hear you. You might have noticed that there have been a few occasions where he has left the bait out and I have turned the other way. Not easy to not respond but sometimes for the best.

Let's get together and golf soon. Been too long, friend. :cheers:

Adam Schneider

January 8th, 2009, 12:56 PM

proto something or other

January 8th, 2009, 02:35 PM

I think, overall, we'd prefer to see less Jub vs. Sam wars, but I don't think it's inappropriate in this thread, which is specifically about this site vs. ODSA -- a topic where Jub & Sam are on very different sides. <SNIP>

I agree with this. I think the arguing here is pretty germane. I also think that this website is very well run. I am not trying to badmouth, but NWDGN reminds me of the attentive touch that Bart used to run ODSA with.

Sam

January 8th, 2009, 03:04 PM

Eric :cheers:
I never met Bart but have heard people talk about the "good old days of ODSA" so that is definitely a compliment.

JMan

January 8th, 2009, 05:54 PM

Oh I agree with it all, and that NWDGN is now the preferred DG site in PDX. I like the look, format, and that until it became a compare/contrast of odsa it even lacked this long standing pissing match. Let's face it, we all know it exists, but what does it say about us? That we would prefer to continue senseless fighting that will solve nothing, as opposed to a live and let live stance. Well shit, then I say lets kill every person related to someone who was a Nazi, or has grand parents who lived in Japan during the 40s and lets just let the Jews kill every Palestinian in Gaza, including school kids and be done with it. Hell, just off anyone who doesn't agree with anything you believe.
The conflict exists, the only way it will ever end is when the parties concerned make the commitment to educate their thinking and change. If that isn't going to happen, well that's fine too, but move on, live your life, do more good than harm and who can fault you.
Eagles and doves.

LJ Jubner

January 8th, 2009, 08:08 PM

Congratulations on finishing this site.. With all the new stuff There is lots to look at. Again Congratulations on a job well done.

Ol' Bob

January 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM

What have you done with Jub Jub?

zippyboy

January 8th, 2009, 09:32 PM

To echo J-Man, I also have a fiver of yours, sir (Sam, that is).

The ODSA vs. NWDGN is just another in a long line of examples of where one entity had a corner on a certain microcosm of the intertrons, then, left to coast on its own more or less, another entity came along and usurped its lead position.

This has happened many times in the short history of the widely used intertrons, and it will happen again.

Lexus Nexus anyone? Dogpile? Hell, the m'space? I have a whole bucketful of examples....

Damn, no Oxford comma in this post. Maybe next time...

Matt B.

January 8th, 2009, 09:46 PM

If thats the case The same could be said here too. He has nearly 50% 0f the posts. I do have to admit the rhetoric has been dialed down some.

I find it interesting that some of you think odsa is such a crappy site. Yet most of you still go there to post and/or promote your events but still have the nuts to bad mouth it. HERE!. Douche Bags

Please cite the stats showing Sam has nearly 50% of the posts. Doesn't seem like it to me, but I haven't looked at the numbers.

People still post info on events and post for other reasons on ODSA because some people are still using it even though it has been pretty diminished since this site came around. It is a crappy site, although it did get better when you took your diaper and left. So, you're saying that people who "bad mouth" a website can't use it anymore? And you're saying the people who use this site are "Douche Bags"? So you're bad mouthing this site, and therefore you can no longer use it, according to your own logic. Stupid, transparent, diaper-smelling logic yes, but still.

Funny thing is Diaper, if it weren't for you and your behavior ODSA wouldn't have had half the problems it did. :trophy:

Scott

January 8th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Please cite the stats showing Sam has nearly 50% of the posts. Doesn't seem like it to me, but I haven't looked at the numbers.

Once again, Jub isn't even close. As of this evening, Sam had posted 885 times out of 5957, or roughly 15%.

Total posts can be found at the bottom of the main forum page, and eveybody's post total is right under their name.

Scott

January 8th, 2009, 11:37 PM

Funny thing is Diaper, if it weren't for you and your behavior ODSA wouldn't have had half the problems it did. :trophy:

For that matter, if it weren't for Jub, Sam probably would not have been kicked off of ODSA and would not have been motivated to create this site.

Way to go, Jubby! :cheers:

Sam

January 9th, 2009, 09:35 AM

Kind of true... It had been my goal to displace ODSA for some time as it was clear to me back when I was running it (and was told to remove ads I'd sold to Huk Lab and Next Adventure) that it was not the open site we needed for our community. Ridiculously, I was instructed to make money off of ODSA by charging TDs to list their events on the site. Yep... that's how we grow the sport. Milk the TDs. :rolleyes:

Jub banning me - wrongly so, in my opinion - was just the final straw.

Scott

January 9th, 2009, 11:06 AM

Jub banning me - wrongly so, in my opinion - was just the final straw.

But it worked out for the best!

Now Jub will list banning you from ODSA as one of the many ways that he has improved the sport. :rolleyes:

Sausage Fingers

January 9th, 2009, 08:12 PM

Well shit, then I say lets kill every person related to someone who was a Nazi, or has grand parents who lived in Japan during the 40s and lets just let the Jews kill every Palestinian in Gaza, including school kids and be done with it. Hell, just off anyone who doesn't agree with anything you believe.
You just don't go quite far enough there J-Man: we need to nuke them all in to glowing ash!
The conflict exists, the only way it will ever end is when the parties concerned make the commitment to educate their thinking and change. If that isn't going to happen, well that's fine too, but move on, live your life, do more good than harm and who can fault you.
Eagles and doves.I prefer Hawks and Doves but to each his own..errr I'll F'in KILL YOU FOR THAT SLIGHT!:explode: