Dallas: now 18 baskets

[kilowan]

The course is now 18 baskets. Flow seems a little smoother. 5 and 6 are both over the river on either side of the foot bridge. 4 and 7 are long a narrow right on the parking lot.

[Vector_2008]

18 baskets sounds good!!:yay:

Are they easy to find?
Any chance of a map?

[kilowan]

The flow is a little easier to follow.
There is a true front and back nine, 1 and 10 both start a the same parking lot.
1 and 2 are the same as before, then all the new holes. Tee area for 3 and 4 are right next to the basket for the previous hole. 5 and 6 are across the river on either side of the foot bridge, 7 is along the parking lot in the ivy, which they cleared out a fairway. 8 is a short walk across the parking lot near the Japanese Garden, with 9 being the practice basket. 10 starts behind the park sign going @ the Japanese Garden, with the basket on top of rise behind some shrubs. 11 is the old hole 3, then the rest is the old lay out, until you get to 18 which is also new. Basket for 16 (was 8) was moved to be straight across the field, with the 17 (was 9) now going along the road, which was in the original plan. 18 is just behind the 17 basket and going across the road toward the river. The river should not be a factor on this hole.
There is no maps yet, still have the 9 hole layout in the kiosk. Think every thing is still a par 3.
Hope this is not confusing. Walked it today, talked w/ a few groups that where playing it and they liked it.

[runnaman]

I hope to get out there tomorrow. Whenever someone's driving through Monmouth to disc golf, let me know and I'll come with. Haha.

[Vector_2008]

Thanks for the info Kilowan.
I'll try to make it out there this week, maybe tomorrow.

[Adam Schneider]

So #5 and #6 actually throw across the river?

[kilowan]

Yes 5 and 6 are across the creek.
I heard the course rule would be a 2 stroke penalty per hole is skilled. But a that is a rumor not sure.
Hope the town gets the new signage up at the kiosk soon.

[runnaman]

Alright, headed out there right now. If anyone wants to join me, I'll be teeing off around 4:45

[Vector_2008]

Don't get to excited about throwing over the creek.

It's bank to bank both times.
145 feet and 105 feet.

Get your putter out.

[Adam Schneider]

Don't get to excited about throwing over the creek.

It's bank to bank both times.
145 feet and 105 feet.

Get your putter out.
Oh, I know it's not huge... but so few courses around here have any water at all. And it psychs you out a little, even when it's a short throw.

[runnaman]

It was fun. The creek shots were fun. Little branches hang over the creek that can swat your disc down. I really like hole 7, 400+ feet with a lot of trees. I was a little confused after that as to where to go, but I figured it out quite easily. I'll write an actual review on dgcoursereview after I play it one more time.

[kilowan]

Map from kiosk.

[KevinW]

The new course is ok. I feel like it's actually not improved at all. The 2 new "water" holes is basically Russian roulette to even play them. The 100 foot throw isn't worth the risk of it dropping into that creek which at the moment is a small river. Then to even get to the water it's a 10 foot drop to rocks that look like they're straight from mordor. Basically 5-6 arnt worth playing, it's 2 sad holes.

Sorry I'm a negative goose at the moment. Bad and long day of work.

[kilowan]

City added marker arrows under the baskets to the pipe with direction to next hole and distance.
City is really making this look good.

[T_hyzer]

i heard that the holes across the creek are going to be par 2

[kilowan]

I e-mail the person with the city that is in charge of setting the new part up and she wrote back that everything is a par 3.

[T-Bird]

Played the new layout today and loved it.
I actually like the short water holes. Just make an ace run at them and you should be fine.
Nice mix of short/long, easy/difficult, open/wooded holes.
The basket area of 10 needs work and several holes would be unplayable if there were cars or people on picnic benches but it was a decent Sunday and I had the place to myself pretty much so maybe no big deal.
All in all it's a BIG improvement.

[Adam Schneider]

I played today too. Very nice. I do think the second over-the-creek shot is a bit TOO short, but it's still fun.

I also worry about safety on #3 (playground) and #4 (parking lot).

[kilowan]

i heard that the holes across the creek are going to be par 2

According to the score card that I got at the Dallas Chamber, hole 3, 5, 6 and 18 are all par 2.
But I was told by the city that every hole on the course is a par 3 back in October.
Guess the pars will be up to the group.
Keep Hukin'

[runnaman]

In all seriousness, there is no such thing as a par 2.

Here is a link to a helpful document (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/ParGuidelines.pdf)

You can see at the bottom that is says "Designing Par 2 holes is not recommended. The lengths are shown as cautionary indicators that a hole is likely too short for that player level."

So according to this chart, the short holes are either par 3 because of their length and folliage, or too short because of a player's rating.

Hole Length Par
3 - 156 - 3
5 - 145 - 3 (Because of water)
6 - 105 - Shouldn't be a hole
18 - 180 - 3

[Micah P]

I played this course for the first time last weekend. I had just played cascade gateway, and wanted a little more golf, so I decided to go check out the 9 hole I read was at Dallas. Of course, upon arriving, I found out it was 18, and ended up playing till dusk. I really enjoyed the course. plenty of trees without annoying blackberry bushes and poison oak so often found on woody courses, so if you threw astray on a drive you didnt spend 5 minutes looking for a disc. Yes, I would agree that a couple holes are unplayable on certain days, ( I skipped 2 holes because of kids on the playground and the likelyhood of hitting a parked car) but overall very enjoyable. Thanks for another fun 18 near salem :)

[Adam Schneider]

Really aggravating that most of the "next tee" arrows have been broken off though. What the hell??

[kilowan]

Really aggravating that most of the "next tee" arrows have been broken off though. What the hell??

Parks Dept replaces the direction arrows with a thicker metal version. Hopefully this stops the vandals.

[kilowan]

They have put up hole markers at each of the tee areas. Gives the hole and distance. A few of the holes have been named.

[kilowan]

The city took down some rather large tree's around the basket for 3. Looks like they removed the basket first - thank god. A picnic table and hibachi style BBQ did not fair so well :shocked: So the basket on 3 is gone and there is a lot of tree debris in this area including the tee for 4.

[kilowan]

The trees are gone from the fairway on 3 and 4 and parking lot. Basket for 3 back in place.

[Adam Schneider]

Isn't #3 the tiny little hole near the picnics and playgrounds? I wish they would take out #3 and #4 and put them over on the other side of the creek between #5 and #6.

[jeverett]

Isn't #3 the tiny little hole near the picnics and playgrounds? I wish they would take out #3 and #4 and put them over on the other side of the creek between #5 and #6.

Yep, hole 3 is the shortest hole on the course. I agree with you, although I'd personally completely remove holes 3-6, as well as possibly hole 18. Hole 3 is really too short for even a blue-level course, hole 4 has no safe line other than directly over the parking lot, and holes 5 and 6 again are really too short, not to mention the river precludes any recovery of the exceptionally-unlucky shot that somehow hits a tree or rolls in. Basically, they just don't add anything to the course, which is otherwise excellent (in my opinion).

[Adam Schneider]

I love throwing across the creek, although I think #5 and #6 could both be made longer -- especially #5, which presents very little challenge.

[kilowan]

Along with the removal of a bunch of trees on holes 3, 4, 6 and 7, and the play ground equipment by 3 fairway. The Park's Dept has removed an old paved walk way that went from tee box 1 to the bridge over the creek.
It has been replaced with a new walkway that includes tee pads for holes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 9. Also cement tee pads look to be added to 7 and 8.
Half paved (front 9) / half natural (back 9).
New play sturcture put in, still next to the fairway on 3.
Now we need the back done.

[kilowan]

The Parks Dept looks to be in the process of adding cement tee pads to the back 9. Forms are down, gravel ready to put in. Should make playing this time of year much nicer.

[kilowan]

I love throwing across the creek, although I think #5 and #6 could both be made longer -- especially #5, which presents very little challenge.

Since they cleared out the trees on the island behind hole 6, would love to see them move the basket to be on the island. Would only add about 30-40 feet, but anything would be great.

[runnaman]

Great idea about hole 6. I was out there yesterday planning the layout for the March tournament and noticed the dugout tees. Things are looking good.

[Adam Schneider]

I think if anything, the TEE should be moved back on #6, not the basket. The challenge comes from the basket being so close to the creek, in a narrow strip of grass.

[kilowan]

I think if anything, the TEE should be moved back on #6, not the basket. The challenge comes from the basket being so close to the creek, in a narrow strip of grass.

True, the tee could be moved back. A little paint on blacktop would work. When the tee pads are finished in the back, I wonder if the city will be looking at the wall on 6. It is leaning quite a bit over the creek.

[kilowan]

The cement tee pads are in, have been for a while. :yay:
Except for hole 15 which is still a wood frame with crushed rock and aimed directly at a tree instead of at the hole. :slapface:
The water run off in the blackberry gulch on 14 has been fixed to not run over the walking path, but need to wait and see how all that water running down the hill to the filed is going to effect the basket at 15 and 17 and tee pad for 16. There was always some flooding issues in the winter and spring, might be more with the way it is set up now. Wait and see.

[InfamousButcher]

Played this course today and loved it! thanks for all who put it hard work on improvements.:yay::yay: