Advice need on starting an Ace Pot.

[Uhlman]

Our club is thinking about starting an ace pot. I know many clubs do a best disc random doubles type of event, which is how we would probably do ours. The easiest way I see is half going to the course and half for the pot. I have also heard that some places also pay out to the winner(s). My questions are what: is a fair price; is the best format; and how to handle the payout?

[Uhlman]

Also is it better to designate one hole as the ace pot hole or should the entire course be open?

[Ol' Bob]

Also is it better to designate one hole as the ace pot hole or should the entire course be open?

I would feel pretty crappy if the designated ace hole was an easy one and I aced a harder one. Then too, I would not be interested in contributing if I felt the ace hole gave my weak arm no chance at all. Do the entire course. What would argue against that?

[Uhlman]

I would feel pretty crappy if the designated ace hole was an easy one and I aced a harder one. Then too, I would not be interested in contributing if I felt the ace hole gave my weak arm no chance at all. Do the entire course. What would argue against that?
Ol' Bob... always the voice of reason

[sillybizz]

The way most ace pots work is if any hole is aced than that player takes the entire ace pot, if two people hit an ace during the same session than they split it, with three people 1/3 to everyone, etc. If the ace pot gets really big like over $200 or so than cap that and start a back up so when a ace is hit you will still have people show up next time. Most of the ace pots I have seen charge $12-15 for pros and and $10-12 for ams with the biggest difference being the payout as pros want and should have more to play for. As far as how much to course fund and ace pot out of that is up to you; I would think $2 to each is a good idea depending on much you charge.

[sillybizz]

Of course that's for a monthly event; weekly events you would want to take the buy in down to around $5 or $6 with $1 to both course fund and ace pot.

[Uhlman]

Of course that's for a monthly event; weekly events you would want to take the buy in down to around $5 or $6 with $1 to both course fund and ace pot.

I was thinking it could also be done lottery style with a smaller payout but more going in to the pot as the longest hole on our course is 550ft, and the next longest is 300ft. An aceable didtance from what I have heard on this forum.

[Chad_from_BC]

We do two systems with our club. Wednesday evenings and Sunday mornings/afternoons are designated 'club round' days. If you're playing you have the option of buying in before the round a dollar. That all gets lumped in to a big pool and the next ace on one of those rounds takes the pot. We're thinking of upping it to 2$ and capping it every 250$ though.

We also have about 15 people in the '51 club'. If you're ever playing with each other and hit metal off the tee it's 1$ from everyone in the group who's a 51 member. If you ace it's 5$ from everyone. We had a largish group one day and. Cashed 30$ from an ace. I could have gone on to get another 30 or 6 the next hole etc.

[Cerrgurry]

Our club is thinking about starting an ace pot. I know many clubs do a best disc random doubles type of event, which is how we would probably do ours. The easiest way I see is half going to the course and half for the pot. I have also heard that some places also pay out to the winner(s). My questions are what: is a fair price; is the best format; and how to handle the payout?


Saturday's we do a $3.00-$5.00 acepot. The break down is 2 for acepot/course fund 1 for ctp and the optional 2 for skins. When the pot hits 100 it drops to 50 then when it hits 200 it drops to 150 etc with the money pulled out going to the general course fund.
On sunday's we just run an additional $1 acepot during the handicap league it has a cap and when the cap is hit we start a second acepot.
Being a small club a few of us got together and inflated the sunday pot so that it was worth hitting.

Do not do an individual hole is the acepot, save that for CTPs. I suspect that 9 will be hit first :D


I will be willing to travel down if you keep me updated on times etc :)

Thanks again for making the drive for the Flying Onion and I hope those discs are working out for you.

-Kris

[Uhlman]

Thanks for all the advice and help.
I have actualy seen hole 3 hit and have heard that hole 9 has been hit but I have never actualy seen it.
Kirs, The discs you gave me are working great, I really like how that Orc flies.

[Trozzle!!!]

Talk to the Salem guys. they were running some kind of ace race thing there last weekend when we wnt to play Cascade Gateway

[BigBubbBelly]

The way we do it up in Lake Stevens is that a buck from each entry fee goes to the ace pot/club fund. The rest is pay out to the winners. We cap the ace pot at a certain amount and then start building up another pot. So we sometimes have two or three ace pots at a time, depending on how long its been since someone rings one in. You can cap it off at whatever you think is a good number. It all depends on your locals and how they feel about it. Good luck.

Our club is thinking about starting an ace pot. I know many clubs do a best disc random doubles type of event, which is how we would probably do ours. The easiest way I see is half going to the course and half for the pot. I have also heard that some places also pay out to the winner(s). My questions are what: is a fair price; is the best format; and how to handle the payout?

[Joshua Olmsted]

As an individual who isn't a huge fan of ace pots in general, but someone who doesn't mind pitching into a course fund, I would just keep them separate. If you plan to donate any unwon ace pot money at the end of the season, my advice would be to say so up front, saving you any potential drama later. If your event is in the $10 a week or less price range I'd say do a 1 dollar ace pot and a 1 dollar course fund deal would be very reasonable, I don't believe it should be a huge part of the total entry. All holes should always be in play, an ace is an ace.

[DMajor]

If you have a pretty regular group of people for doubles you should try having a season of events keeping track of everyone's score averages. Take whatever amount you want out of each entry fee then put that into a final tournament or final day with big payouts. Make a minimum number of events played to qualify for the finals and give bonus points for attendance. Then have a final nine skins or whatever for the four or five top qualifiers.

They used roughly this format for one season of the old Juel doubles before the city shut it down and it was the most fun doubles I have played.

[Uhlman]

On Weekly ace pots what formula do you use to determine the payout amounts and to what place do you pay out too?

[Scott]

On Weekly ace pots what formula do you use to determine the payout amounts and to what place do you pay out too?

There are lots of charts and formulas out there. I use this one for Tuesday Twos: http://www.gilbuddy.com/tt/resources/PayoutSchedule.pdf

This assumes an entry fee of $4 (we charge $5, but $1 goes to ace pot).

[Uhlman]

There are lots of charts and formulas out there. I use this one for Tuesday Twos: http://www.gilbuddy.com/tt/resources/PayoutSchedule.pdf

This assumes an entry fee of $4 (we charge $5, but $1 goes to ace pot).

do you have the .xls of that with the formulas. When I go to the board with my proposal, they will want to know how exactly it’s being split. This could also be a handy tool for other tournaments.

[Scott]

do you have the .xls of that with the formulas. When I go to the board with my proposal, they will want to know how exactly it’s being split. This could also be a handy tool for other tournaments.

Sorry, I do not. The .xls was created by the previous TD.

[TreeLove]

Try: http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008-payout-calculator

[Uhlman]

Thanks Scott and Treelove thoes are both handy tools...

[Scott]

That PDGA spreadsheet is awesome. I wish you could modify the # places paid field - it pays really deep and flat.

[Uhlman]

you can... for the pro feild you can go from 40% to 50% in the drop down

On edit i see what you are saying about it being flat

I really with this were editable

[Cerrgurry]

Thanks Scott and Treelove thoes are both handy tools...

Let me know if you need a different payout tool. I can make you a custom and perhaps already have a payout utility you may need.
FYI June 27th is the date for the next Flying Onion...expect a free lunch in the deal.
Any further news on Pendleton's one days?

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[Uhlman]

Let me know if you need a different payout tool. I can make you a custom and perhaps already have a payout utility you may need.
FYI June 27th is the date for the next Flying Onion...expect a free lunch in the deal.
Any further news on Pendleton's one days?

/threadhijack=off

Sure.. I like tools... I am toolholic:drool:.
That's on my calendar now.:yay:
No news other than dates published in the parks and rec brochure those are July 3rd and August 28th. Other than the dates there is no other info at this time from me i am still waiting to hear back from a couple of people.

[TreeLove]

Sure.. I like tools... I am toolholic:drool:.
That's on my calendar now.:yay:
No news other than dates published in the parks and rec brochure those are July 3rd and August 28th. Other than the dates there is no other info at this time from me i am still waiting to hear back from a couple of people.

What's happening on July 3 and Aug 28?

[Cerrgurry]

What's happening on July 3 and Aug 28?

One day tournaments in Pendleton.

[Uhlman]

One day tournaments in Pendleton.

As to not hijack the thread I started.
Yes I have posted more info on the tourneys scheduled for July 3 (http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65400#post65400) and Aug 28 (http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65399#post65399). I will update them as I get more Info.