Rules question - lost & re-found discs

[Chad_from_BC]

This comes up now and then with the courses we play and has lead to a few disagreements. If a disc is declared lost and then found I know that the there is a penalty stroke to the player who lost the disc. If that disc is found even seconds after declaring it lost I know the penalty stands. Now my question is once that disc is found can it go back in your bag and be thrown again or is it out of your bag until the current round is over? The lost disc rules don't address this but I know you're not allowed to add stuff to your bag that you didn't start the round with. Then again you did start the round with the disc before you lost it, removing it in the process. Anyone know the official rules on this.

[DMajor]

I'm pretty sure anything that starts in your bag is fine to go back in your bag after it is declared lost but I don't know what specific rule addresses the question

[Chad_from_BC]

It's a little unclear for sure.

[Scott]

It can go back in your bag.

Also, I'm not familiar with the rule that state you cannot add anything to your bag once the round starts. I'll have to look for it.

[ericedge]

In disc golf you CAN add discs to your bag during the round. You could buy a new disc at tourney central during the round and use it. Putting the rediscovered lost disc in your bag is no problem. The disc you throw needs to be uniquely (recognizably) marked in ink so you could even throw a disc from someone else's bag if they'll let you. Take a closer look at the rule book and see if you disagree with me...
pdga Rule Book (http://www.pdga.com/documents/pdga-rules-of-play)

[Tim]

In disc golf you CAN add discs to your bag during the round. You could buy a new disc at tourney central during the round and use it. Putting the rediscovered lost disc in your bag is no problem. The disc you throw needs to be uniquely (recognizably) marked in ink so you could even throw a disc from someone else's bag if they'll let you. Take a closer look at the rule book and see if you disagree with me...
pdga Rule Book (http://www.pdga.com/documents/pdga-rules-of-play)

Edge is correct. It's a common misunderstanding I've heard about not adding discs to your bag once the round starts. I believe there's a rule in ball golf along those lines...you can only carry a certain number of clubs, and you have to use what you started with. I think people assume it carries over to disc golf.

You can add as many discs to your bag as you want, at any time. Heck, they don't even have to be YOUR discs. If you lose your money 10 M Brick during a round, and your buddy is like "Hey, I've got like 5 backups of those in my bag. Here you can borrow one of mine," that would be totally legit.

[Chad_from_BC]

You know after you guys say that I don't recall seeing it either. I've just been told numberous times that that's the case. Awesome.

Last year I threw a drive on a hole. Well we get up to the spot we thought it was, looked and declared lost. I go back to the pad and throw another one. I get down to the green area and say 'it went very close to where the first one went. We go over and it's litterally ON the first one in some thick grass 5 feet from the basket. This is a tough birdy hole that I pretty much birdied twice lol. Anyways the disc stayed out of my bag till the end of the round and I really wanted to throw it on a few holes. This was a pdga event too. Now I know you can put stuff back in and even add to your bag if you're near your car etc.


Also, lol at 5 spare 10m bricks. I might actually order a 10m brick this year. We play a course in our local series built on a nasty hill where 40-50 foot roll outs on missed putts is not uncommon on about 6-7 holes.

[Scott]

You know after you guys say that I don't recall seeing it either. I've just been told numberous times that that's the case. Awesome.

Last year I threw a drive on a hole. Well we get up to the spot we thought it was, looked and declared lost. I go back to the pad and throw another one. I get down to the green area and say 'it went very close to where the first one went. We go over and it's litterally ON the first one in some thick grass 5 feet from the basket. This is a tough birdy hole that I pretty much birdied twice lol. Anyways the disc stayed out of my bag till the end of the round and I really wanted to throw it on a few holes. This was a pdga event too. Now I know you can put stuff back in and even add to your bag if you're near your car etc.



There are some pretty valuable lessons here.

1) Know the rules.
2) Don't assume that the people you are playing against know the rules.
3) Carry a rulebook in your bag
4) If someone tries to convince you of a rule that you are unsure of, don't take their word for it. Pull out the rule book and have them show you. Alternatively, throw a provisional shot (doesn't really apply to the non-rule about not being able to add a disc to your bag) and ask a rules official after the round.

[Chad_from_BC]

Yeah. My rule book was at home at the time.

[Ol' Bob]

We are not like those other golfers. We throw our clubs and keep our balls where they belong.

[Uhlman]

We are not like those other golfers. We throw our clubs and keep our balls where they belong.

:yay::laughing::bowing:

[DMajor]

I played the crystal mountain tournament this summer and left a drive sitting just off the fairway. Didn't lose it just forgot about it. The next day during the tournament round I threw my drive near the same spot and a guy in my group found the disc I left the day before and told me I couldn't use it because it didn't start in my bag. I had never heard this rule before but no one else in my group knew either way so I took his word for it. Had a crappy tournament so it didn't cost me much maybe one inconsequential stroke but I will have a talk with that guy....

[Chad_from_BC]

We are not like those other golfers. We throw our clubs and keep our balls where they belong.

Lol. Exactly. I used to work at a ball golf course and we had free green fees and cart rentals. I goofed nearly every day, and was actually getting quite good by the time I left. That ended my ball golf career in it's tracks cause I wasn't to pay 80$ a round. A few years later I started golfing for real and my clubs have a massive layer of dust on them now.

[JMan]

This comes up now and then with the courses we play and has lead to a few disagreements. If a disc is declared lost and then found I know that the there is a penalty stroke to the player who lost the disc. If that disc is found even seconds after declaring it lost I know the penalty stands. Now my question is once that disc is found can it go back in your bag and be thrown again or is it out of your bag until the current round is over? The lost disc rules don't address this but I know you're not allowed to add stuff to your bag that you didn't start the round with. Then again you did start the round with the disc before you lost it, removing it in the process. Anyone know the official rules on this.

Is this in a tournament? If yes, ask a marshal. If no, why would you want to get so worked up over a casual round?

[Chad_from_BC]

it was a tourney yes, but we were at least a 7-8 minute walk from the TD and it just wasn't worth it to argue the point. It was the last tourney I played in though at the tail end of the year last year so I haven't really thought about it since.

[TreeLove]

You can add discs to your bag at any time (and you may throw them). As long as they are legal discs, approved and marked.

[ChUcK]

The best part about this thread- most people who read it will come away thinking it's not OK to add discs to your bag during a round.

[D.L.]

You can add discs to your bag at any time (and you may throw them). As long as they are legal discs, approved and marked.

They may even come from the bags of your playing partners, as long as the group knows which disc is yours. They must have A unique mark, they don't need YOUR unique mark. :cheers:

[Uhlman]

I have a question along these lines. My park has walking paths that are OB; one such path is in the middle of a fairway. The other day I had what I thought was going to be a bad throw however, the disc skipped down the path and landed inbounds. Therefore, my question is; if a disc hits an out of bounds area but then bounces, rolls, or otherwise lands inbound is that lie playable? My answer would be yes because it came to rest inbounds however, I would like to hear other opinions on this matter.

[Scott]

I have a question along these lines. My park has walking paths that are OB; one such path is in the middle of a fairway. The other day I had what I thought was going to be a bad throw however, the disc skipped down the path and landed inbounds. Therefore, my question is; if a disc hits an out of bounds area but then bounces, rolls, or otherwise lands inbound is that lie playable? My answer would be yes because it came to rest inbounds however, I would like to hear other opinions on this matter.

Whatever this disc does before it comes to rest is inconsequential. The disc is safe as long as a portion of the disc is in-bounds.

[Uhlman]

Whatever this disc does before it comes to rest is inconsequential. The disc is safe as long as a portion of the disc is in-bounds.

That's what i thought... I'm gonna have to try that shot again sometime.:chinscratch:

[The Course Bro]

The out of bounds rule changes two years ago:
Disc lands in area marked as OB but is resting against the rocks the define the border of the OB area but is inside the OB.
Under the old rules the disc was NOT OB but is now OB. This is due to a change in status of the OB line from not OB to OB.

803.09 Out-of-Bounds
A. A disc shall be considered out-of bounds only when it comes to rest and it
is clearly and completely surrounded by the out-of-bounds area. A disc thrown in water shall be deemed to be at rest once it is floating or is moving only by the action of the water or the wind on the water. See section 803.03 F. The out-of-bounds line itself is considered out-of-bounds.

[Scott]

I have a question along these lines. My park has walking paths that are OB; one such path is in the middle of a fairway.

[OFF TOPIC RANT]
For the record, I'm not a fan of random paths down the middle of a fairway. Course designers claim saftey concerns, but that is bogus since a disc is allowed to fly over the OB area. In other words, a disc that comes to rest at your feet is OB, but the one that goes whizzing by your head is safe. Whatever.
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[The Course Bro]

[OFF TOPIC RANT]
For the record, I'm not a fan of random paths down the middle of a fairway. Course designers claim saftey concerns, but that is bogus since a disc is allowed to fly over the OB area. In other words, a disc that comes to rest at your feet is OB, but the one that goes whizzing by your head is safe. Whatever.
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ROGER THAT!
But- where does the IB path on the fairway end and the OB off the fairway end?
DG only parks is a nifty solution for shure!

[Chad_from_BC]

Yeah even it's 1/16 of inch it's in bounds.

[Adam Schneider]

[OFF TOPIC RANT]
For the record, I'm not a fan of random paths down the middle of a fairway. Course designers claim saftey concerns, but that is bogus since a disc is allowed to fly over the OB area. In other words, a disc that comes to rest at your feet is OB, but the one that goes whizzing by your head is safe. Whatever.
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Wow, I never thought of that, but you're absolutely right. Parallel walkways can be legitimately OB, but perpendicular is just silly.

[Chad_from_BC]

Keep in mind too that you stand in OB to throw, so you get 1m from the path.

[Ol' Bob]

[OFF TOPIC RANT]
For the record, I'm not a fan of random paths down the middle of a fairway. Course designers claim saftey concerns, but that is bogus since a disc is allowed to fly over the OB area. In other words, a disc that comes to rest at your feet is OB, but the one that goes whizzing by your head is safe. Whatever.
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A well made rant. Couldn't agree more.

Trust me, cuz my initials are OB.

[olydiscgolf]

I think walking paths are great obstacles for a disc golf course! Now granted safety issues need to be considered first before hole design, but I can think of a bunch of courses that use walking paths to narrow a fairway or outline a green. Walking paths create a permanent, well defined, in/out of bounds.

[Chad_from_BC]

I think walking paths are great obstacles for a disc golf course! Now granted safety issues need to be considered first before hole design, but I can think of a bunch of courses that use walking paths to narrow a fairway or outline a green. Walking paths create a permanent, well defined, in/out of bounds.

I agree. I'll be playing a tourney in may at a course that has a sweet hole with OB all the way down the fairway due to two walking paths that everything past them is OB. It starts about 150 wide and over the course of the 275 foot hole it narrows to about 10 feet with 5 feet on either side of the basket. People usually lay up and grab a par or outside 40 bird. Last year I had just had a bad hole (took a 6 I think) so I said screw it and ran the basket. I aced the hole (my second ace ever and first and only tourney ace) to grab a 312$ ace pot. In the second round I watched someone get another ace and felt the invisible 156$ come out of my pocket. Still made out with 156$ and 2nd in my division (a sandbagger that stepped down two divisions took first). All told I won 220$ and bought a basket.

So to make a long story short I have fond memories of sidewalk OB. That being said this year might be a different story.

[cefire]

I think walking paths are great obstacles for a disc golf course! Now granted safety issues need to be considered first before hole design, but I can think of a bunch of courses that use walking paths to narrow a fairway or outline a green. Walking paths create a permanent, well defined, in/out of bounds.

Only if they make sense with the hole. Random OB in the middle of the fairway which penalizes good shots is useless IMO - sure, it "adds" difficulty in terms of strokes but not in terms of approaching a hole.

A bad example of OB path would be Terrace hole #5 - it penalizes those who throw a pretty good shot at a fairly random interval

A potentially* good example of OB path would be Seatac 18 (on or across!!!) - it punishes shots that fade out left, a common error for a RHBH thrower on the approach. Its not purely a randomizer error but one that punishes only poorly executed shots.

My rant: Harder/More strokes does not = Better

[olydiscgolf]

Only if they make sense with the hole. Random OB in the middle of the fairway which penalizes good shots is useless IMO - sure, it "adds" difficulty in terms of strokes but not in terms of approaching a hole.

A bad example of OB path would be Terrace hole #5 - it penalizes those who throw a pretty good shot at a fairly random interval

A potentially* good example of OB path would be Seatac 18 (on or across!!!) - it punishes shots that fade out left, a common error for a RHBH thrower on the approach. Its not purely a randomizer error but one that punishes only poorly executed shots.

My rant: Harder/More strokes does not = Better

Seatac was one of many courses that I was thinking about, that use walking paths wisely. The Geezer hole at Lakewood is another that is very well designed. Whiteriver has quite a few holes with paths that come into play. Trojan has quite a few. Random OB is no good. Using OB to penalize bad shots and reward good ones is good course design.

[Ol' Bob]

Making sense is a definite plus.

[Scott]

I think walking paths are great obstacles for a disc golf course! Now granted safety issues need to be considered first before hole design, but I can think of a bunch of courses that use walking paths to narrow a fairway or outline a green. Walking paths create a permanent, well defined, in/out of bounds.

I agree 100%. I can think of several courses that are played this way and int makes perfect sense. I was ranting about courses where only the path is OB, but over is OK. Greenway park is often played this way and it has never made any sense to me.

[TREX]

Paths in the middle of fairways = :explode:

[Huk-DMC]

The out of bounds rule changes two years ago:
Disc lands in area marked as OB but is resting against the rocks the define the border of the OB area but is inside the OB.
Under the old rules the disc was NOT OB but is now OB. This is due to a change in status of the OB line from not OB to OB.

803.09 Out-of-Bounds
A. A disc shall be considered out-of bounds only when it comes to rest and it
is clearly and completely surrounded by the out-of-bounds area. A disc thrown in water shall be deemed to be at rest once it is floating or is moving only by the action of the water or the wind on the water. See section 803.03 F. The out-of-bounds line itself is considered out-of-bounds.

The way that I understand the rule that you can be touching the ob line and be in bounds but the line itself is now counted as part of OB instead of in bounds.
This rule change barely comes into play because most of the time the OB line is just the grass to asphalt or a string which itself doesn't have much thickness. But if the OB line is a spray painted line then this could easily come into play.

here is a pic of what I interpret the rule as.

http://whistlersbend.info/images/obrule1.jpg

[Ol' Bob]

Then the real line is the left red/white boundary plane. Once past that, everything is OB, red or white.

And by the way, those green discs will probably get lost when not on the white or red. That's a tough color of green.

[Ol' Bob]

If any part of the disc is in bounds, the disc is in bounds, right?

Today on 22, I hit the grape vineyard deer fence, fell to the ground, and rolled under the OB fence a few inches before falling over. It was the only four feet where the fence was high enough to get a disc under. Grrrrrrrrrr! I was at even par and tied for the lead.

[Magilla]

Hmmm, so if the OB line is a fence, does touching the 'air' on either side of the fence count?



Fences were the main reason WHY the rule was changed.

When the OB Line was IN it created this problem.

Situation.....


Long hole with a chain link fence down the right side of the hole that is considered OB.

Golfer throws shot that flys over the fence into OB and then Hits fence on the outside falling on the OB side of the line. Technically this Disc has HIT the OB Line (which was considered IN BOUNDS) so even though he is still OB the disc could be marked at the point that it hit the fence and the player could proceed from there.
With the rule changeing to the line being OUT. The lie NOW has to be marked where the player last crossed the OB. Hence bringing stoke AND distance into play. The player could, of course, choose to play from his/her previous lie as well.

Confused yet?

:biggrin2:

[Jim J]

The concept of whether the line is in or out is dealt with by the rule of verticality, which describes the OB line as a vertical plane. A plane has only two dimensions and therefore, no thickness. The whole issue about whether the line is in bounds or not sort of goes away.

If rope or a painted line defines the OB area, the OB line would (most likely be) the fairway side of the line that has a measurable thickness, but I can't see any reason why a TD couldn't declare the OB side of the rope or line as being the vertical OB plane.

[Chuck Kennedy]

but I can't see any reason why a TD couldn't declare the OB side of the rope or line as being the vertical OB plane.
There are actually two "lines" involved. There's the line/plane with no thickness at the interface between the OB area and IB area which truly splits OB from IB. However, in the context of the rules, there's also an "OB line" that sometimes has thickness whose edge on one side defines the true IB/OB line with no thickness. That OB line like a rope or paint with thickness will always be on the OB side of the true OB/IB interface line/plane.