Overhyped discs...

[General Scales]

Ok so we started an underhyped disc section. That has brought on a lot of good discussions. So, in the interest of keeping it interesting, I figured I'd start an overhyped disc section.

Here we go, since I have a few of them:

1.) Teerex: Many many people recommend them and yet I haven't seen one of those people who should be throwing them.
2.) Surge: I'm a huge Discraft fan but seriously, this disc isn't the monster that everyone says it is. I can throw a Crush sooooo much further and with way more consistency. I love watching people flip them over and bitch that they shouldn't do that. From my experience that's about all they ever do.
3.) Wraith: Same thing, dead straight? Not for me at least. More like stay right and earn some well deserved f-bombs.
4.) Banger Gt: The groove top doesn't make a sub par disc any better.
5.) Striker: I'll catch a lot of flack for this but it seems that Tee-Birds and Stalkers are a better option with as much distance as this disc. I have seen some people throw them really well I'm just not one of them.
6.) Groove: The Boss was pretty good but they should've worked on a Boss SS version. The Groove is just too inconsistent to be of any good use.
7.) Excalibur: I bought three in different weights and they all do the same thing. Die a hard hyzer death even if I snap them clean and hard. Maybe I should've tried them in a different plastic. Seems to be slower then it's Destroyer counterpart as well.
8.) XL: I have never meet one I like. They die right.
9.) Stratus: Not the monster roller it's meant to be. Perhaps this is because I have too much snap or arm speed?
and finally...
10.) Magnet: The APX is as straight, as glidey and doesn't have that annoying ass beaded lip on the bottom. I have gashed my hands open on three different Magnets and that was enough for me.

Now let the flaming, arguing and debating begin.

[sillybizz]

Is this over hyped discs or just discs that suck that are supposed to be good?

Top 5 most over hyped

1. Aviar (and all of it's versions): Not a bad putter but it's certainly over hyped, there are other discs that do the same job but because of the number of pros that use it and marketing from Innova EVERYONE putts with one of these.

2. Groove: The groove inside the rim is about as useful as the groove on top of the disc from Discraft. One of the most inconsistent discs I have ever thrown.

3. Roc (and all of it's versions): So over hyped again because of it's uses by pros and marketing from Innova.

4. Surge: Just because Nate Doss throws one doesn't mean it's a great disc. A Crush or worn Force will go much farther with better accuracy.

5. Boss: Sorry boss fans but this disc really should only be used by about 5% of the throwing population and we see people buying their first discs and what do they buy? A Boss of course, it's the biggest baddest disc out there, how could you not throw it?

[Cold Steel]

Dude- you're supposed to save the Roc until thread starts to die down. Now it's just going to be a Roc defense/Buzz is better thread.

[General Scales]

Is this over hyped discs or just discs that suck that are supposed to be good?

Top 5 most over hyped

1. Aviar (and all of it's versions): Not a bad putter but it's certainly over hyped, there are other discs that do the same job but because of the number of pros that use it and marketing from Innova EVERYONE putts with one of these.

2. Groove: The groove inside the rim is about as useful as the groove on top of the disc from Discraft. One of the most inconsistent discs I have ever thrown.

3. Roc (and all of it's versions): So over hyped again because of it's uses by pros and marketing from Innova.

4. Surge: Just because Nate Doss throws one doesn't mean it's a great disc. A Crush or worn Force will go much farther with better accuracy.

5. Boss: Sorry boss fans but this disc really should only be used by about 5% of the throwing population and we see people buying their first discs and what do they buy? A Boss of course, it's the biggest baddest disc out there, how could you not throw it?

Lol, I guess you could call all those discs that suck but I've seen them all used well. The problem is these are the discs that were the most hyped to me when I was looking for different discs to use. I spent soo much damn money and not a single one of those discs were what I was looking for. Shouldn't of listened to my friends and gone with my gut instincts cause they seem to be right more often then they do.

[sillybizz]

You and I agree on a lot of these, General.

[General Scales]

You and I agree on a lot of these, General.

Yep, sure do. The worst part about it is that most people will read our answers and immediately we will catch an ass load of flack. Of course, you more then I because I didn't dare attack the Roc or Aviar even though I agree 100 percent that they are just too overhyped. Not saying bad discs, but not the miracle discs that they are claimed to be.

Same I guess could be said for the Buzzz. I won't say it but I bet it is said at least once.

[Adam Schneider]

9.) Stratus: Not the monster roller it's meant to be. Perhaps this is because I have too much snap or arm speed?
I didn't know it was meant to be a monster roller. At least not in the last 10 years. The Stratus is brilliant as an understable approach disc though.

[PDXDuck]

...are whichever ones that have been recently released.

[sillybizz]

Yep, sure do. The worst part about it is that most people will read our answers and immediately we will catch an ass load of flack. Of course, you more then I because I didn't dare attack the Roc or Aviar even though I agree 100 percent that they are just too overhyped. Not saying bad discs, but not the miracle discs that they are claimed to be.

Same I guess could be said for the Buzzz. I won't say it but I bet it is said at least once.

Yep the Buzzz too, it's over hyped and it's my favorite disc on the market, lol.

[Bruce]

Can I just say "Discraft" in general? Okay so I am joking, there is one Discraft disc I would throw if I could get a hold of a couple.

The Groove was way over hyped, and is about worthless to me.

The Quest (I think?) Quarter K....Talk about an over hyped disc back when it first came out, sure it was great for the first throw, until it hit the ground. Then the plastic was done.

I used to think Eagles were over hyped as well, until the last 2 months when they've become my go to fairway drivers. I know some people still believe they are over hyped.

Okay, that's all I can think of for now, but I'll update this should my mind clear up anytime soon.

[Adam Schneider]

The Quest (I think?) Quarter K....Talk about an over hyped disc back when it first came out, sure it was great for the first throw, until it hit the ground. Then the plastic was done.
The QK was by Discwing.

[GettinBetter]

Surge
Roc
Banger-GT
Dart

[Parks]

The Boss is definitely overhyped (Destroyer is much more consistent), as are the Dart (too floaty), Comet (too floaty, doesn't handle wind well, flies like a large diameter putter), the Sidewinder (squirrel city), Avenger SS (squirrelly x2), Whistler (hyped by freestylers, but golfers don't want a lid), Striker (its both overhyped and very good), Challenger (floaty and doesn't handle power well), CE plastic (overhyped, too expensive, but also very good), Sonic (crappy lid/golf disc), Quarter K (one hit wonder), Diablo DT (inconsistent as all hell), Groove (ditto) and probably a lot more than I am listing.

There are discs that have huge hype or huge followings that I don't think are overhyped because the discs live up to it.

The Teebird, Eagle-X, Rancho Roc, Buzzz, Wizard, Firebird, Whippet-X, Xtreme, Cyclone, and Gazelle are good examples.

[DexterHawk]

I'll beat all your asses and I pretty much only throw bosses, eagles, firebirds and aviars...

That said... I throw with pro snap... the problem i see is that disc are all marketed to the whole market... too many people are throwing discs that they can't control or which they don't have the power to get any benefit out of.

The Boss lives up to the hype for me (the champ ones at least).

If that is not enough to get this thread going... how about this...

You want overhyped... any putter that is not an aviar.
I know a ton of guys who throw a rhyno or a wizard or a magic or a challenger or a _____ just so they won't be like everyone else.

I used to putt with rhynos. When I switched to aviars my rating went up 40 points and my putting range increased by 20 - 40 feet.

(ps. no malice is meant by the post, just a little ribbing)

[GettinBetter]

I dont think the Boss is overhyped at all. I just think it is about 2 years ahead of it's time. Awesome disc.

[Ol' Bob]

Hype, according to the pro arms? The "whole" market is all of us. I'm a decrepit old man who finds Aviars too stable for his style of spin putting. For me, the Rattler works pretty good. I can't throw a Champ Boss anywhere but around a corner, but the light R-Pro Bosses let me get what I can out of that great glide. Everyone is a little different. Hype is a thing of the mind (and the mouth). Results are in the scores, from the bottom to the top. Expounding is part of the fun though. Everyone else is full of it, exceptin' you and me, but I ain't completely sure about you.

[General Scales]

I didn't know it was meant to be a monster roller. At least not in the last 10 years. The Stratus is brilliant as an understable approach disc though.

Well, the what it says on the X version. Turnover Roller Driver. Now even if I throw one flat with the intentions of it turning to a roller, it over shoots the edge and lands past vertical. Effectively turning my roller into nothing. Of course I have seen a few people I play with throw 350 foot rollers with a Stratus but I cant do it.

[Cajun]

Star plastic.

[Uhlman]

Star plastic.

:confused: Can you explain why you feel Star plastic is overrated?
I find that it has the perfect amount of grip and slip in my hand.

[Bruce]

pretty sure star plastic is my favorite plastic Innova makes, so I'm going to have to disagree there.

[Uhlman]

pretty sure star plastic is my favorite plastic Innova makes, so I'm going to have to disagree there.

Me too... Just wish it weren't so darn expensive,

[The Ombudsman]

Can I just say "Discraft" in general.

there is not a disc they make that flies as a disc should. They either pull way too far to the right or are so overstable that they are useless.

[Chad_from_BC]

pretty sure star plastic is my favorite plastic Innova makes, so I'm going to have to disagree there.

hands down the best plastic they still make.

[Ol' Bob]

Individual mileage may vary.

[Parks]

there is not a disc they make that flies as a disc should. They either pull way too far to the right or are so overstable that they are useless.

This is pure silliness.

[Parks]

Well, the what it says on the X version. Turnover Roller Driver. Now even if I throw one flat with the intentions of it turning to a roller, it over shoots the edge and lands past vertical. Effectively turning my roller into nothing. Of course I have seen a few people I play with throw 350 foot rollers with a Stratus but I cant do it.

Try combinations of more hyzer, more air, less arm speed and more late snap, different nose angles, and pixie dust.

Some discs are better rollers than others, and Stratuses are good rollers. You just have to figure them out.

These aren't backhand rollers but check out a guy that can make tricky rollers work with a Stratus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSL3JGCUEo

[maynard]

Pixie Dust(Laughs!) I used to rely on that stuff. It let me down in the long run...

[Parks]

Pixie Dust(Laughs!) I used to rely on that stuff. It let me down in the long run...

Yea, if you just eat it then you eventually build up an immunity. Then you gotta start freebasing, snorting it, or get it in liquid form and inject it into your eyeball to get the same effects.

[Jester]

There are discs that have huge hype or huge followings that I don't think are overhyped because the discs live up to it.

The Teebird, Eagle-X, Rancho Roc, Buzzz, Wizard, Firebird, Whippet-X, Xtreme, Cyclone, and Gazelle are good examples.

Somebody has been reading DGR. I think the only ones you left off were the PD, Predator and Comet.

I have to say for me the Gazelle and Wizard are over hyped. The Gazelle is a shorter Teebird or faster Roc and the Wizard is a slightly more stable Aviar big bead that you can never find in the same plastic twice.

[Joshua Olmsted]

Blanket statements about Discraft just make me laugh these days, it's perfectly rational to critique both of the main disc manufacturers, I can level legitimate criticism of Discraft. But if all the discs they made were poor, why would sponsored pros win tournaments throwing only Discraft plastic? If the gap between the two companies was enough to add or subtract even just 2 strokes no top pro would ever play for the lesser company. Just my $.02

[Uhlman]

It all comes down to throwing what you know, how you throw, and what you like.

[Parks]

Somebody has been reading DGR. I think the only ones you left off were the PD, Predator and Comet.

I haven't thrown the PD so I can't say whether the hype is justified.

The Predator is hyped just right. It delivers on all the promises, and its either the favorite or go-to disc in most Discraft pro bags for a reason. Its just that not a lot of people throw them outside of DGR or all Discraft bags.

As for the Comet, I've already nailed it as an overhyped waste of bag space.

[Ol' Bob]

Everyone is an authority.

[The Ombudsman]

Blanket statements about Discraft just make me laugh these days, it's perfectly rational to critique both of the main disc manufacturers, I can level legitimate criticism of Discraft. But if all the discs they made were poor, why would sponsored pros win tournaments throwing only Discraft plastic? If the gap between the two companies was enough to add or subtract even just 2 strokes no top pro would ever play for the lesser company. Just my $.02

Well said, Joshua. My biggest issue with discrap is that it seems to me that any disc they make is a knee jerk reaction to something Innova (and back in the day Wham-O) has already made

[The Ombudsman]

Pepsi, Please!

[The Ombudsman]

Coke is the real thing!

[Ol' Bob]

Coming into the game late, or at least off of an hiatus between old school Wham-Os with stakes and power poles for targets, and seeing my first baskets around the debut of the Beast, and finding lost discs of all stripes and vintages over the past 8 years, what I see is an evolution. As to who copies whom, and when, I can't say. I don't have the pop to judge most molds in most plastics. Of what I can throw, for distance, I like Innova in the cheap and fragile plastics. I find I must try many to get one keeper, once I find something that works, if it's Innova. Everything else in my bag is Discraft, except putters like the JuJu or Four Times JK Aviar-X. I carry three FLX Buzzzes. They're very close to flying the same. That's my bag, and of that, I am an authority.

[Bruce]

I may give Discraft throwers crap from time to time, but hell I give everyone crap from time to time. I don't fault them for throwing what works for them, heck I started playing throwing mostly discraft other than a cobra and roc. What works, works!

[sillybizz]

Steady Ed had his aches put into discs at the DISCRAFT FACTORY! End of debate. :)

[erp]

Did he have his pains injected into discraft too??? :)

Steady Ed had his aches put into discs at the DISCRAFT FACTORY! End of debate. :)

[General Scales]

Try combinations of more hyzer, more air, less arm speed and more late snap, different nose angles, and pixie dust.

Some discs are better rollers than others, and Stratuses are good rollers. You just have to figure them out.

These aren't backhand rollers but check out a guy that can make tricky rollers work with a Stratus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apSL3JGCUEo

Yeah, that Getting Out of Trouble vid has helped me in a few situations. I spent a decent amount of time this week doing field work and snorted a few lines of pixie dust. Didn't help my rollers with a Stratus. It did make me want to slaughter a few dozen pixie's though. That pixie dust gets on top of you. Probably worse then meth.

[REDFIVE]

different people should use different discs. next time someone tells you that a disc is wonderful compare your skill or style to theirs before believing their review.

The most over rated disc is the one that a player shouldn't be throwing but have convinced them self it works for them.

[sillybizz]

I have an all Discraft bag and it happened on accident. I used to throw mainly Innova because of the availability of lower weights, especially 150 class but since I have learned to throw in the past year and half I have less need for the low weight. I bought a misprint deal of Discraft from Sportdiscs.com and fell in love with a couple of discs there, then when FLX plastic came out I bought a bunch of that too and one day I realized I didn't have any more Innova or Lightning (yes I used Lightning, SHUT UP! :) ) in my bag and I haven't really gone back since. I make a lot of jokes with people about it but I really don't have much of a bias other than I am more comfortable with Discraft and their molds at this point and it's what I choose to throw. I am experimenting with a Pro Katana in the field right now.

[BigBubbBelly]

Im starting to swing more towards the latitude 64 end of the spectrum. I love the feel of their opto line plastic. So sweet. I just got a gold line halo, and have only thrown it a few times. So far, so good.

[sillybizz]

Jesse you throw Latitude?! NO! :laughing:

[Parks]

different people should use different discs. next time someone tells you that a disc is wonderful compare your skill or style to theirs before believing their review.

Well, it depends on the disc. Some discs act fairly similarly across a wide range of power levels and throwing styles. Teebirds are a good example. They go straight with a fade for people that can throw them from 275' to 460', and work well for a variety of styles.

The most over rated disc is the one that a player shouldn't be throwing but have convinced them self it works for them.

This I agree with.

[Uhlman]

Perhaps I am throwing it incorrectly but the Star Roc IMO is a little overrated.

[DexterHawk]

I agree... Both star and champ rocs are tough to have as primary mid range discs is problamatic. Some discs are just better in beatable plastics.

The buzzz is sweet in both crystal and flx plastic though.

[mazza]

i have both flx and crystal buzzz. and yes they are sweet. my wasp i can see soon taking the place as my main driver mid. sorry to my rocs

[Ol' Bob]

Nice to hear the latest Buzzz.

[Sean Phillips]

I agree... Both star and champ rocs are tough to have as primary mid range discs is problamatic. Some discs are just better in beatable plastics.

Ya, I'm a huge fan of the Roc, but not in Champ or Star. I'll pull a champ roc out for rocky mountain golf just so I don't beat up my fragile DX rocs. I really prefer DX rocs over anything. If you haven't seen the newest run of regular DX rocs, you gotta get your hands on one. They're freaking sweet, IMO. Super hard like KC pro, but they shouldn't take a decade to tune. I think I'm going to like 'em.

[Uhlman]

Perhaps I am throwing it incorrectly but the Star Roc IMO is a little overrated.

of couse after i decied that this disc is overrated i go an loose it in the watter off of hole 12 at the Two rivers course near the Tri-Cities... I'm all up for polarbearing howevr i couldn't see a thing in that water

[DMajor]

of couse after i decied that this disc is overrated i go an loose it in the watter off of hole 12 at the Two rivers course near the Tri-Cities... I'm all up for polarbearing howevr i couldn't see a thing in that water

Is that water near Hanford?

You would think it would be glowing

[Uhlman]

Is that water near Hanford?

You would think it would be glowing

naw... I grew up swimming in the columbia. It really three feet under the silt that you have to worry about.

[Ol' Bob]

So, how's the level of thyroid cancer in the Hanford Plume these days?

I lived on the river for thirteen years but only thirty miles from the ocean. I never went swimming and figured I got my minimum requirements just falling in now and then.