SDGA Club Meetings - Check Here for Current Schedule

[Timber]

The next Open Member meeting of the Spokane Disc Golf Association will take place on Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm. The location has not yet been determined but will be posted here ASAP.

This meeting will have time set aside specifically for the Candidates to address the Membership.

The Candidates Forum will be held on Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010 at 5 Mile Pizza. The meeting will start at 7:00 pm. Come on out and become an informed voter.

Next meeting.

[Sky Pilot]

The next SDGA club meeting is scheduled for:

When: Monday, February 8, 2010, at 6 PM
Where: The Season Ticket, 1221 North Howard Street

This meeting will have to be at a different venue due to the fact that minors aren't allowed at the Season Ticket. I'm checking into a different location.
Thanks to Tim for posting that message. : )


Sky Pilot
Jeff Crum - Steward - SDGA

:angel:

[Parks]

Season Ticket was really nice due to the use of the banquet room. At Stadium Pizza, it is really difficult to hear the club business.

If you can find a venue that allows minors and can let us use a separate room, then that would be fantastic.

[Timber]

One option for a straight-up business meeting could be the public libraries. Most branches have free meeting rooms available during library hours; you just have to have an application on file. Of course if people want to have food and drink and get loud, probably not.

http://www.spokanelibrary.org/index.php?page=meetingrooms

[Sky Pilot]

One option for a straight-up business meeting could be the public libraries. Most branches have free meeting rooms available during library hours; you just have to have an application on file. Of course if people want to have food and drink and get loud, probably not.

http://www.spokanelibrary.org/index.php?page=meetingrooms

Monday February 8th SDGA Club Meeting
6:00 pm
Where? To be decided...


1. I have 4 Ideas for Club Meeting Venues:

Spokane Public Library
We could schedule meeting room - free

2. Azteca - Downtown has a somewhat seperate area for a meeting
Dinners start at $7

3. Luigie's - Downtown has a banquet room - quite large - (I've seen it...) and they would even let us do a indoor putting contest fundraiser there if that's appealing to others. If there's interest - we could do this before or after the business meeting. Could be fun! Small pay-in & the club gets a few bucks...
No extra charge for the banquet room.
Salads start at $10
Spaghetti starts at $10
Desserts at $4
Drinks - Standard

4. 5-Mile Heights Pizza - A banquet room is available.
Large Pizza's are 21.00
Mini Pizza'a are $4
Drinks - standard

The food and atmosphere would be great at any of these. I would like some feedback on the places and fundraiser idea. I think it would be fun. What do you all think?

Sky Pilot
Steward

:angel:

[Parks]

We may not have the volume control for a library, but the other three sound good to me.

Banquet room + putting contest is good.

[Timber]

Banquet room + putting contest is good.

+1

[Wobbly Bob]

The next SDGA open meeting will be held on Monday, February 8, 2010 at Luigi's downtown @ 6 PM.

The address is 245 W. Main.

There will be a putting contest that will be run by Timber.

[Sky Pilot]

Putting Contest!
Putt for the dough

Hone your putting skills, and then come to the SDGA Club Meeting.
The Putting Contest will be held directly after club business in Luigi's upper banquet room.
All are welcome.

Where: Luigi's Italian Restaurant 245 W. Main Ave. in Downtown Spokane
When: Monday, February 8th at 6:00 p.m.
Parking: Free Parking after 5 pm in the alley next to Luigi's - look for signs.
Luigi's: No Host - Great Food and Drinks
Entry Fee: $3.00 in advance $5.00 at the meeting. Sign up with Lyle Parks, Jeff Crum, Kevin Sakus, Eric Brown or Tim Nevin's - Contest Director
Set-up: Two Divisions - Pro & Am
Breakdown: $1.00 to the club and the rest to payout.

Come and support our projects

Here's our agenda...

1. People's Park: This Year
2. Fundraising: Sponsors Needed
3. Downriver: Let's Make It Work
4. Recognition: Lowest Scores & Aces Thrown
5. Volunteer Appreciation: Vital Work
6. Where We Stand: Hear about the plans, projects, finances, membership, facilities, public relations & more.
7. You! Share your comments, complaints, or ideas.

See You There -

Sky Pilot
Steward
:angel:

[Parks]

The next SDGA open meeting will be held on Monday, February 8, 2010 at Luigi's downtown @ 6 PM.

The address is 245 W. Main.

There will be a putting contest that will be run by Timber.

Timber is not Tim Nevins.

Tim Nevins is running the putting contest.

[Sky Pilot]

Thanks Lyle for the clarification, and thanks to Tim N. for running the contest!

Sky Pilot

[Parks]

Timber, I've been editing your post to maintain the current next meeting's info. I just think having it up top makes it easiest for people to find, and helps avoid seeing old info.

If you object to this in any way, just let me know and I'll stop.

[Timber]

No problem Lyle, thanks for keeping it current. I just edited the thread title to make it clear this is where the schedule will be posted.

[Sky Pilot]

People seemed to have fun doing the putting contest at Luigi's. Should we do it again.

Sky Pilot

[Dadio!]

So when is next meeting?

[Sky Pilot]

So when is next meeting?
No meetings are scheduled at this time.

[Gordy #21004]

Lyle is the Board's designate to convene the next Board meeting. A general membership meeting would very likely follow shortly thereafter. G.:seeya:

[Parks]

I'm Lyle in case there's any confusion.

[Wobbly Bob]

Can the board meet sometime soon to approve rental of toilets for the LCO at Downriver & Highbridge.

I would propose Sunday the 16th at Frankie Doodles say around 7:00 pm.

I'm open to any other date or time.

[Parks]

Sunday, I will be traveling back from Missoula and probably not wanting to talk golf.

If that's the only thing on the agenda, then I don't think we need a meeting.

I think port-o-sans are a no brainer, and would give my vote in approval of them, at least for the non-winter months.

[Sky Pilot]

I agree with Lyle. I also would vote to approve toilets for the non-winter months.

Sky Pilot
:angel:

[Wobbly Bob]

Three board members heard from. If we vote this way all board members should be heard from (yes/no/abstain) as a courtesy to the board members.

[Gordy #21004]

I too will be traveling back from Missoula that evening. ..... As far as porto sans go the arrangements made between Stimpi and the Club were discussed and Board approved regarding the DRO. That may serve as a basis arrangement for Tournaments and the Club moving forward. This would need to be agreed to again. The unit in place at DR Will be picked up this week and new arrangements will need to be made for HB and DR for the LCO. ... ...Further, regarding the sponsorship forms for sponsorships at PP and DR.: the terms and content of a commitment between the Club and another party should be Club reviewed and approved. I'm in favor of the Board meeting again before too long to cover these and other matters, especially in light of the big PP meeting coming up. I would also be willing to host the meeting a week from this Sataurday at the Sichuan Cafe at 9:30 am. Gordy

[Parks]

I too will be traveling back from Missoula that evening. ..... As far as porto sans go the arrangements made between Stimpi and the Club were discussed and Board approved regarding the DRO. That may serve as a basis arrangement for Tournaments and the Club moving forward. This would need to be agreed to again. The unit in place at DR Will be picked up this week and new arrangements will need to be made for HB and DR for the LCO.

So that sounds like another "yes" vote for Port-O-Sans for about a month around the LCO.

Further, regarding the sponsorship forms for sponsorships at PP and DR.: the terms and content of a commitment between the Club and another party should be Club reviewed and approved. I'm in favor of the Board meeting again before too long to cover these and other matters, especially in light of the big PP meeting coming up. I would also be willing to host the meeting a week from this Sataurday at the Sichuan Cafe at 9:30 am. Gordy

This sounds like we have stuff that requires more than just a simple yes or no vote, so I agree we should meet.

I'll send out an e-mail.

[Gordy #21004]

All 6 Board members met at 9:30 Sat. morning and covered a lot of serious ground. Mainly we want to try to get everyone we can to the meeting this coming Thurs. at the West Community Center @ 6:30 pm. Come show your presence in support of permanent disc golf course at People's Park. Our chances of getting the green light for baskets will be greatly aided by your attendance.....Other notes..... Kevin brought the Club $200 for 10 new members and renewals; that makes over 80 current members for 2010! We agreed he'll need a re-stock of Gateway putters to meet the continuing demand for SDGA Membership. Lyle brought in $110 from the Club weeklies. I will asses the total revenue Lyle and his crew have amassed for the Club, report it here, and continue to update.....Bob brought in the $110 from the third PP Benefit....On the debit side Jeff got paid back for his investments in the sign upgrades at DR. He has put a LOT of work into those so give him a 'thank you' when you see him. The Club also purchased a T-box sign package for the LCO for $65. Additionally the Club also kicked down $100 to the INWS as an ' Instant Win' Basket Toss Sponsor. Come to the Sunday installment of the LCO at Four Mound and win a DGA Mach ll instantly if you toss an ace at the CTP Qualifier. ....It was also agreed that the Board will meet again after LCO to implement some essential modifications for DR. I'm heading to 4-mound now. See you later. Gordy, SDGA Resident.:cheers:

[Wobbly Bob]

Gordy, SDGA Resident.:cheers:

Don't you mean Pre-Resident?? :pirate:

[Gordy #21004]

If I was reading my notes while compiling this it would also reflect that Joe Barnett and the Midnight Maniacs also collected $17 for the Club. Good work Joe B. :yay:

[Parks]

Bob brought in the $110 from the third PP Benefit....

This is a typo, correct?

[Wobbly Bob]

This is a typo, correct?

23 players at $10 per person = $230 raised.

Everyone that played got a mini that was purchased for the PPBB by the INWS and cost $115.

$115 was reimbursed to the INWS for the purchase of the minis.
$5 bought 7 raffle tickets that were given out to 1st and 2nd place in the three men's divisions and 1st place in the women's division.

This comes to a total $120 deducted from the $230 for a balance of $110.

Kevin still has minis to use at Benefits later or that he can sell for $4-5 each.

And seven people have a shot at a DGA Mach 5 powder coated basket to be given away at the Flippen Ze Disc the INWS Finals in Wenatchee.

[coryreu]

No current meeting scheduled. Will post here at least a couple weeks in advance before the next one.

Is there a scheduled club meeting yet?

[Sky Pilot]

Not yet. We'll post when one is scheduled.

[Lyounger]

Not yet. We'll post when one is scheduled.

Would it be possible to send out an email notification to all current members regarding the next SDGA club meeting as well as posting it here?

I try to keep tabs on this forum but might miss the posting. An email notification would be super helpful, if possible.

Thanks a bunch!

[Lyounger]

I also wanted to add a request that you post a notification of future SDGA Board meetings as well that includes proposed agenda items for discussion and a deadline for members to submit input to the Board on those items.

I think the membership would feel more represented if the communication process was formalized a bit more.

The Board was voted in by the members to run the club and pursue our agreed upon missions. I thank each Board member for their efforts and I understand it's much more work than people want to acknowledge.

If the members have a timely opportunity to submit their opinions about issues then the Board makes timely decisions to put those ideas into motion, the system is working as planned.

Not everyone will agree and not every idea will move forward. However, everyone will be heard and the majority will rule and the minority has to accept the outcome as a part of the process we've all agreed to follow.

I thank everyone who is making an effort to promote the growth and enjoyment of the sport of Disc Golf.

Lesli

[Wobbly Bob]

Is there a scheduled club meeting yet?

There is an SDGA club meeting scheduled at 8 PM on September 14, 2010.

We will meet at Luigi's Italian Restaurant at 245 W. Main Ave. Spokane, WA. 99201. The restaurant staff will direct you to the room.

Hope to see all the Spokane Disc Golf Community there.

[Parks]

I also wanted to add a request that you post a notification of future SDGA Board meetings as well that includes proposed agenda items for discussion and a deadline for members to submit input to the Board on those items.

I think the membership would feel more represented if the communication process was formalized a bit more.

The Board was voted in by the members to run the club and pursue our agreed upon missions. I thank each Board member for their efforts and I understand it's much more work than people want to acknowledge.

If the members have a timely opportunity to submit their opinions about issues then the Board makes timely decisions to put those ideas into motion, the system is working as planned.

Not everyone will agree and not every idea will move forward. However, everyone will be heard and the majority will rule and the minority has to accept the outcome as a part of the process we've all agreed to follow.

I thank everyone who is making an effort to promote the growth and enjoyment of the sport of Disc Golf.

Lesli

I think this is a good idea to get club members more involved in the process.

[Burge]

I think this is a good idea to get club members more involved in the process.

I concur. Is there any possibility of this happening for the upcoming meeting?

[Wobbly Bob]

I also wanted to add a request that you post a notification of future SDGA Board meetings as well that includes proposed agenda items for discussion and a deadline for members to submit input to the Board on those items.

If the members have a timely opportunity to submit their opinions about issues then the Board makes timely decisions to put those ideas into motion, the system is working as planned.


Hey Lesli, I think that posting the proposed agenda prior to the meeting is a great idea. The only problem with that is that the board meets one hour before the Club Meeting to set the agenda for the upcoming meeting. Maybe the board could correspond among ourselves using email to pre-set the agenda a week before the actual meeting.

Do you think that posting the agenda a week in advance of a meeting would iincrease the attendance of the meeting.

Not everyone will agree and not every idea will move forward. However, everyone will be heard and the majority will rule and the minority has to accept the outcome as a part of the process we've all agreed to follow.

I don't know how true this statement is, elections aside, there are usually only 15-25 members present at any club meeting. It's usually the same people that attend these meetings. With 80 some current members this effectively allows a minority to rule and the majority to accept the outcome of these meetings.

[taadow13]

Next meeting.

are these meetings for members only or open to others?

[Wobbly Bob]

are these meetings for members only or open to others?

These meetings are open to anyone that wants to attend. Anyone may participate in the discussions. Only current SDGA members may vote at the meetings.

[Timber]

There is an SDGA club meeting scheduled at 8 PM on September 14, 2010.

We will meet at Luigi's Italian Restaurant at 245 W. Main Ave. Spokane, WA. 99201. The restaurant staff will direct you to the room.

Hope to see all the Spokane Disc Golf Community there.

Is it really 8 pm?

[Wobbly Bob]

Is it really 8 pm?

YES

[ScottW]

I tried to make the meeting but was unable to attend. Would someone be able to post the meeting minutes. I would appreciate reading about what I missed. I do try to make these things, I like to know what clubs are doing, especially the ones I am a member of.

[Gordy #21004]

Bob the PR guy asked me if meeting at Stadium Pizza like we have before would be a good idea. Since Luigi's charged us $20 for the room last time and charged everyone an 18% gratuity on top of their expensive drinks and meals (let alone its pay-to-park) I think Stadium would be a refreshing change of venue. It may be a little noisy there but if we designate someone to chair the meeting and assist in having everyone talk in turn I see the meeting running well. We held the meeting at 7:00 pm last time so how about 7:00pm this time? See you there. Gordy.:chug: ps. we miss 2xtim.

[Sky Pilot]

Stadium Pizza was fine some of the times we met there. I can remember at least one meeting where some very loud drunk people were making it very difficult to hear what was going on. Bob pointed out that this was due to the fact that we were meeting on a Monday Night Football night. However, keep in mind - it is basically a bar and we don't have a sound system. If we meet there on Nov 2nd, at least the meeting is on a Tuesday - thankfully. Wherever we decide to meet, I'd like to meet at the same place (for continuity) during this election season.
About Luigi's
The first few meetings we had there - there was no room charge. So, this last charge was a surprise to me. As for the gratuity, I didn't notice...
So, Stadium Pizza is a great place to meet - most of the time.
Unless someone has a better suggestion...
Oh and just to clarify - I made it abundantly clear when we met at Luigi's that there was free parking after 5PM behind the establishment and since we met there at 8PM there is no street parking fee after 7PM.

PS - Does anyone know the dates we set for the December and January meetings at our last Board/Club meeting?

Sky Pilot
Typist
SDGA
:confused:

[jshrack]

Thank you for making this change...
Anything sounds better than Luigi's was.

Do you mind posting a location for this Stadium Pizza?

Also, the last meeting ran until 10ish...
Is there any way we can move it up 30 minutes or so?

[Wobbly Bob]

I cleared having our meeting at Stadium Pizza on November 2, 2010 at 7pm (sorry Schrack).

The address is 4423 W. Wellesley, its in the shopping center by the VA Hospital.

[jshrack]

sweet
I know that place... :slapface:

If someone chairs the meeting we should be fine.

[Gordy #21004]

Calling all Board members. We are trying to meet on Friday afternoon at three pm to discuss the agenda for the upcoming meeting. We want to come to grips with how to better manage large meetings so that all our time is better spent. One method we used in the past was to have the Board members take turns chairing the meetings. The problem is that some Board members' responsibilities at the meetings don't allow them the luxury of also chairing the meetings. That raises the possibility of pre-identifying a volunteer to manage an upcoming meeting.With that in mind if there is anyone interested in that role please come to this meeting. Please bring your ' Robert's Rules of Order!' Also the position of the Fac. Coor. needs to be discussed. There is a lot of new work going on these days and a regular 'can-do-hands-on' type who plays well with others would be worth a closer look. We have some good helpers who deserve a regular go-to guy or gal who is also capable of working within the Board. Any suggestions? The Fri. meeting is at Benidittos Pizza at the corner of 15th and Monroe just uphill from Rousaurs.:chug:

[Deron#31677]

Calling all Board members. We are trying to meet on Friday afternoon at three pm to discuss the agenda for the upcoming meeting. We want to come to grips with how to better manage large meetings so that all our time is better spent. One method we used in the past was to have the Board members take turns chairing the meetings. The problem is that some Board members' responsibilities at the meetings don't allow them the luxury of also chairing the meetings. That raises the possibility of pre-identifying a volunteer to manage an upcoming meeting.With that in mind if there is anyone interested in that role please come to this meeting. Please bring your ' Robert's Rules of Order!' Also the position of the Fac. Coor. needs to be discussed. There is a lot of new work going on these days and a regular 'can-do-hands-on' type who plays well with others would be worth a closer look. We have some good helpers who deserve a regular go-to guy or gal who is also capable of working within the Board. Any suggestions? The Fri. meeting is at Benidittos Pizza at the corner of 15th and Monroe just uphill from Rousaurs.:chug:


I would be willing to chair some of the meetings. I do know that it is hard to ask questions when everyone is talking at the same time.:cheers:

[jshrack]

We want to come to grips with how to better manage large meetings so that all our time is better spent. One method we used in the past was to have the Board members take turns chairing the meetings. The problem is that some Board members' responsibilities at the meetings don't allow them the luxury of also chairing the meetings. That raises the possibility of pre-identifying a volunteer to manage an upcoming meeting. With that in mind if there is anyone interested in that role please come to this meeting.

Is this something we can consider adding permanently to the Charter?
I would guess that having a neutral Chair on the Board could really help our club.
(I am not volunteering here :biggrin2:)

[Wobbly Bob]

Club members and local disc golfers are invited to attend the next SDGA club meeting. It will take place at Stadium Pizza located at 4423 W. Wellesley Ave. The meeting will start promptly at 7pm and should last about 2 hours. Nominations will be opened for the three Board positions up for election in January. This meeting offers an excellent opportunity to renew your membership so that you can vote in January. Hope to see you all there.

[Gordy #21004]

Jaymie and Deron came down to the meeting to offer their help to chair Club meetings. They will come to the meeting on Tuesday. Jon Verbarg was also there in response to our invitation to a prospective Facilities coordinator. He will also come to the Tuesday meeting. All in all a productive meeting; Hot pizza, cold beer and fresh ideas. Lousy tippers. Thanks to all who showed.:chug:Gordy

[Yoduh]

So you invited board members to a meeting and somehow that included Jon Verbarg, Deron, and Jaymie... How cute.

[Yoduh]

There were no invitations sent out Gordy. It sounds like you had one to pass out to an unvoted on group decision.

[jshrack]

I don't remember seeing any invitations for F.C. either... just an invite for people who wanted to chair the meeting. (This would be reason enough for the extra three individuals, Yoduh)

I also read that the board does have a right to appoint an individual for vacated positions. I would hope club considerations might be taken into account with a meeting coming up so soon though. :whistler:

[Sky Pilot]

Note: It isn't proper terminology to say that any member may 'chair' the meeting. Chair is short for Chairman, and Chairman implies that they are an elected Officer.
"the presiding officers' official place or station (usually in the center of the platform or stage, if there is one, is called "the chair. During meetings, whoever is presiding is said to be. "in the chair..." - Roberts Rules of Order
The Seargent at Arms title is a more appropriate designation for someone who is willing to help control the masses at a meeting. Yet, this also must be decided by a Board decision. As with any appointment, the Seargent at Arms is still subject to presiding Officer.
Any one of the Elected Officers can be designated to chair any meeting. However, the board has not done so. As elected President - Chief Officer and Senior Advisor, I will Chair the meeting until the Board votes otherwise.
Further clarification:
The Board hasn't discussed possible candidates or actually officially vacated Eric's position as of yet. So, let's back up a bit and wait until the Board can confer about appointing someone to the position of Facilities Coordinator, which is an important topic before we start 'inviting' anyone to take a position.

Sky Pilot
Still President
:angel:

[Wobbly Bob]

There were no invitations sent out Gordy. It sounds like you had one to pass out to an unvoted on group decision.

There were no decisions made at the above meeting.

Discussion yes.

I would like to have seen participation by Jeff, Lyle and Eric, they were invited to discuss the seemingly vacated position of Course Facilitator and possibly some way to get a better handle on the meetings.

Without four board members there, it was just a get together of some disc golfers having beer and pizza and all the board members know this.

[Yoduh]

So the president "Chairs the meeting". I always thought that. Gordy used to do so back in the day. At the last meeting I attended I felt like we had a good flow of conversation with only a few "off topic discussion comments". Not sure what the need of a chair is.
It also seems like so close to an election if a board member spot was being vacated that the club would have the spot held up for an election. I would venture that this is a very good topic to be held at this upcoming meeting. Also I do not like the policy the board adopted in the first place. BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE ELECTED BY THE CLUB> >NOT BY THE BOARD Seems like the board gets a lil to big for it's britches.:nono:

[Yoduh]

It is not that hard to have a small window for nominations and a club meeting to vote in a new board member. Somehow the board found this to be to difficult and adopted a much more convenient strategy to bring in a new board member's even though the club elected them..:rolleyes2:

[Sean Johnson]

I agree with Yoduh on this one. The position has been essentially vacant for some time, so I see no harm in adding this position to the upcoming election. With the elections so close, and given the fact that there has been no rush to fill the position before now, there is absolutely no good reason not to allow the club to vote a new board member into this position. Just because the board can do something, doesn't mean that they should.

[jshrack]

As a Grammar Nazi, I will point out that 'chair' is a verb.
It's definition is: to preside over something, often a meeting.
Anyone can chair but I agree it should be done by a board member.
I also contest that it should be done by a 'neutral' board member.

As for the other topic, I agree with Sean. Couldn't have said it better.

[Gordy #21004]

[QUOTE=Yoduh
It also seems like so close to an election if a board member spot was being vacated that the club would have the spot held up for an election. Also I do not like the policy the board adopted in the first place.

The charter was adopted unanimously by 36 Club members at the first nominations meeting in December, 2008. The Club leadership at that time voluntarily turned over any controlling interest it had in Club to open the way for a broad-based Club leadership core. The current structure was born there and the first slate of Club officers was elected and inaugurated on its heels.:cheers:

[Yoduh]

SO we need to address this issue at tonight's meeting. Too bad I can't make it as I am in the Bay area right now. Hopefully other clubbies (wait am I not supposed to use this word?) will pick up the torch and run with it.

[Parks]

I also can't make tonight due to school, which sucks.

[Wobbly Bob]

The next Open Member meeting of the Spokane Disc Golf Association will take place on Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm. The location has not yet been determined but will be posted here ASAP.

This meeting will have time set aside specifically for the Candidates to address the Membership.

[jshrack]

I would like express my frustration that that member issues (New/Old business) were not heard at last night's meeting.

I know this is NOT an meeting but I would like to address a few items.

1. Our charter has very ambiguous language which needs to be amended.
a. The grammar and tense should be consistent throughout.
b. Our Board description and responsibilities might be clarified.
c. Our charter amendment process should be discussed.
d. Our mission statement could include our intent rather than just our past.
e. The term 'vacated' needs to be addressed.

2. We have also been talking about Practice Baskets at both courses. Many suggestions have been made and set on the back burner... will we be waiting 6 more weeks before we can even address this discussion?

[Wobbly Bob]

I would like express my frustration that that member issues (New/Old business) were not heard at last night's meeting.

I know this is NOT an meeting but I would like to address a few items.

1. Our charter has very ambiguous language which needs to be amended.
a. The grammar and tense should be consistent throughout.
b. Our Board description and responsibilities might be clarified.
c. Our charter amendment process should be discussed.
d. Our mission statement could include our intent rather than just our past.
e. The term 'vacated' needs to be addressed.

2. We have also been talking about Practice Baskets at both courses. Many suggestions have been made and set on the back burner... will we be waiting 6 more weeks before we can even address this discussion?

The agenda that Jeff proposed failed to have times assigned to each item. The main reason we had the meeting was to address nominations for the upcoming election. I think we spent less than 10 minutes on nominations.

[Sky Pilot]

Good point Bob, I'm going to make better estimations of allowances for time at our next meeting - including how long to allow the candidates to speak. Also, I want to minimize the need for any unnecessary business at our next meeting.

As I recall the only board meeting I've been to that had any time limitations imposed was at the January voting meeting where the candidates were allowed 2 minutes to present their visions a ideas for the office they were running for.

I had the members present approve a 2 hour duration for the meeting at the beginning so that it wouldn't (or couldn't with out an official extension) go over-long. In addition:I presented (for the first time) an actual Order of Business that the club approved at the onset of the meeting, and I gave a copy to all 11 members that attended. In this way anyone that is not speaking in turn and to the point that we are on was out of order. This meeting wasn't unruly or disorganized as previous ones had been. It went very smoothly and the members all raised their hands and asked the Chair for permission to speak. The only problem was that there wasn't enough time for new business.

Sky Pilot
Distance Measurer
:angel:

[Gordy #21004]

The first quarter of the meeting was devoted to discussion of the role of the Sgt. at Arms. That was eventually tabled and left to the Board and the Sgt. volunteers meeting in the near future to work out some arrangements to streamline order at the meetings. I don't think there was much support for adopting the text of Robert's Rules, but rather to identify some key points to adhere to. The Board and the volunteers agreed to try to have these key points in place for adoption at the next Club meeting....The next quarter of the meeting was spent working through a long Christmas list of everything the Grant Committee could think of in the course of the month since the last meeting. It sounded like the majority could see applying for funds to purchase materials to shore up eroded areas and build stairs; not so much support for getting funds to pay volunteers to do things because it cuts into how much materials you could get. I don't know if it was new or old business but it pretty much ate up all the time for that. The officers reports went quickly with a few questions popping in along the way. The nominations were also quick, the question being whether a nomination needs a second or not. It does need to be accepted by the nominee......:yay: Probably half the people sat around for another 30 minutes and got better acquainted.

[Burge]

to pay volunteers

You lost me at this oxymoron. Isn't the point of a 'volunteer' is that you don't have to pay them? I've done a lot of volunteering for a multitude of organizations and I have never gotten paid....:chinscratch: Am I missing something?

[LJ Jubner]

You lost me at this oxymoron. Isn't the point of a 'volunteer' is that you don't have to pay them? I've done a lot of volunteering for a multitude of organizations and I have never gotten paid....:chinscratch: Am I missing something?

You could be!

I think Gordy's talking about uber volunteers.

I do think we need to start thinking about how to make our sport more professional looking. The old adage applies here
"Speed costs money, How fast do you want to go"?

My point is Having some paid positions is not such a bad idea. The pDGA already does it so why shouldn't we follow their example. It would be great if an organization/series could find and RATIONALIZE a decent weekend wage.

Think of it this way
Fri 4 hrs from 1-5 in the afternoon,
This person would be the check in/PP distributor
any and all promotions would be offered by this same person
Sat and Sun 8 hrs each day check cards, spot, run promotions, General support kinda thing.

If we could attach a wage of say $8/hr or $160 for the weekend?

Back to the subject;Club meetings
Here are two suggestions

For the Planners
First have deadline for the next meetings agenda 2 weeks prior to it and then publish it. this allows planners the chance to know they will be on the agenda.


For the idea guy
Have all members sign in to meeting
On that same sheet have anyone with new business note their request for time.
As meeting starts Sec then reads each request. At that point the steward decides based on need and or constraints which requests will be allotted time either at that meeting or tabled till the next. This then becomes the new business section.

By allowing requests and then deciding publicly this would at least give the idea guy the feeling he was being heard. It also would encourage further participation down the road.

[Wobbly Bob]

Just so everyone is on the same page, the SDGA will not be paying volunteers for doing any volunteer work. :nono: This includes uber volunteers. :biggrin2:

[Gordy #21004]

You lost me at this oxymoron. Isn't the point of a 'volunteer' is that you don't have to pay them? I've done a lot of volunteering for a multitude of organizations and I have never gotten paid....:chinscratch: Am I missing something?

Come out to 4-mound on Sunday and volunteer some timbers for use at Downriver. They're cut and stacked and ready to go.:chug:

[Yoduh]

The grant allows for volunteers to be paid for their work. So if these workers were paid than they would be paid for by the government, not the club. I believe the amount is $10 and some change.

[Sky Pilot]

As a Grammar Nazi, I will point out that 'chair' is a verb.
It's definition is: to preside over something, often a meeting.
Anyone can chair but I agree it should be done by a board member.
I also contest that it should be done by a 'neutral' board member.

As for the other topic, I agree with Sean. Couldn't have said it better.

Dictionary.com
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–noun
1.
a seat, esp. for one person, usually having four legs for support and a rest for the back and often having rests for the arms.
2.
something that serves as a chair or supports like a chair: The two men clasped hands to make a chair for their injured companion.
3.
a seat of office or authority.
4.
a position of authority, as of a judge, professor, etc.
5.
the person occupying a seat of office, esp. the chairperson of a meeting: The speaker addressed the chair.
6.
(in an orchestra) the position of a player, assigned by rank; desk: first clarinet chair.
7.
the chair, Informal . electric chair.
8.
chairlift.
9.
sedan chair.
10.
(in reinforced-concrete construction) a device for maintaining the position of reinforcing rods or strands during the pouring operation.
11.
a glassmaker's bench having extended arms on which a blowpipe is rolled in shaping glass.
12.
British Railroads . a metal block for supporting a rail and securing it to a crosstie or the like.
–verb (used with object)
13.
to place or seat in a chair.
14.
to install in office.
15.
to preside over; act as chairperson of: to chair a committee.
16.
British . to carry (a hero or victor) aloft in triumph.
–verb (used without object)
17.
to preside over a meeting, committee, etc.
—Idioms
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get the chair, to be sentenced to die in the electric chair.
19.
take the chair,
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to begin or open a meeting.
b.
to preside at a meeting; act as chairperson.

[Burge]

Justin raises a most important point: the charter. I understand the situation by which the charter was adopted, but if the document is examined from the viewpoint of its purpose and function (its long-term function), then it needs to be overhauled. It may be seen by board members as 'good enough' and not deemed a top priority, but a charter needs to be highly specific for it to serve its purpose of, not only providing reference to procedure and responsibility, but guiding the intent and maintaining the focus of the club. The time spent rooting out all of the possible 'if/then' situations and containing them within the language of the charter is time saved from future debates and confusion. The club would do well to have the charter reviewed by a lawyer or someone familiar with drafting corporate charters and by-laws. Counsel pro bono might take a few phone calls, but this is something that could be made easier if the club re-invented itself as an official NPO.

In essence, the SDGA is already non-profit, but being registered as a 501(c)(7) would open the door for more funding and benefits. Has this ever been considered?

P.S. , Yoduh: The correct term is 'clubnik' :nahnah:

[Wobbly Bob]

The minutes of the Board meeting that was held on Thursday, Nov. 18, 2010 are attached below.

[Yoduh]

The Board has no plans to be a non-profit but it has been offered the opportunity from local professionals (lawyers, accountants) but our treasurer doesn't want to deal with it. I on the other hand am willing to, and very interested in gaining nonprofit status for our club. I see it as essential to fueling the growth of our club and our sport.

[coryreu]

The Board has no plans to be a non-profit but it has been offered the opportunity from local professionals (lawyers, accountants) but our treasurer doesn't want to deal with it. I on the other hand am willing to, and very interested in gaining nonprofit status for our club. I see it as essential to fueling the growth of our club and our sport.

Whereas non-profit status would most certainly be a boon to the club, it seems to me that we need to establish who would oversee the club's non-profit status and maintain it. It takes quite a bit of time and effort to do so as well as a management plan: how active will the board need to be? What will be expected of them? Who will they manage? What are the overhead costs and what is the operating budget? Who files the taxes? Who ensures that the organization is following proper protocol to continue non-profit status? Scrutiny on financial issues is higher for a non-profit and non-compliance can land an organization in a lot of trouble. As in legal trouble. As in Federal legal trouble. Who will be responsible for keeping up on necessary and detailed paperwork? What about creating articles of incorporation? I could go on, but will stop for now.

Time, money, knowledge, and much effort is needed to create and maintain a non-profit. Many people currently involved with the SDGA have committed time and effort not to mention money. Will they then have commit more? If these duties are to fall to the treasurer than I really do not blame him for not wanting to take this on. After all, I am sure we can all agree our treasurer has already gone above and beyond the call in terms of duties, commitment, time, effort and personal financial commitment.

Gaining non-profit status creates legal concerns. Everything must be above board. There is no room for error. None at all. So before bandying about a call for non-profit status, shouldn't we be clear on what it entails and what our future would look like as a non-profit organization? This is a long term ongoing commitment. Think hard.

[LJ Jubner]

Wow "the Corster" was on on a roll.

All the points raised are legit and need addressing before the grant shows. The main concern is how will the club control the funds? Because this info is not currently in the club bylaws That point alone would SNAFU the process from the beginning.

It seems to me that the club needs to add another committee or two to address these issues.
One needs to look at the clubs bylaws and procedures to address all these concerns BEFORE the grant should even be written. The concept of DISPURSEMENT PROTOCOL needs to be paramount

Because I live westside I am offering to help online with this process of drafting the clubs "grant strategy and protocols"

and
I certainly don't blame the Treasurer for not wanting to open yet another can of worms. The position has enough work as it is but in the end does control all the clubs purse strings. I would hate to see another DD situation arise because the club moved too quickly or impulsively disregarding checks and balances the Number 1 axiom for non profits.

Alternative suggestion

Why not approach business's about their promotional budget's?

[Wobbly Bob]

The Spokane Disc Golf Association will be holding a Board meeting on Dec. 7, 2010 at 6 pm. We will be meeting at the Stadium Pizza and all disc golfers are welcome to attend. Here are some items that we will be discussing at the meeting.



Giving a report on how the upcoming election will be conducted.
Setting the agenda for the upcoming Candidate's Forum on Dec. 14th.
Getting the reports from Tony Costanzo concerning the SDGA Weekly Tournaments.
Giving a report on our meeting with Tim Nevins concerning changes to our Charter.
Finalizing the reports from Lyle Parks from his time running the SDGA Weekly Reports.
Getting baskets and tee mats and storing them for the day that we are cleared by Parks to install another course.


I'm sure other items will be discussed.

[jshrack]

Thanks for the invite!

[jshrack]

Is the meeting tomorrow night at 5 Mile or Stadium pizza?

[Wobbly Bob]

The Candidates Forum will be held on Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010 at 5 Mile Pizza. The meeting will start at 7:00 pm. Come on out and become an informed voter.

[Wobbly Bob]

There will be a Board meeting this evening at Stadium Pizza at 7:00 pm.

Members are welcome to attend.

See you there.

[Wobbly Bob]

Kevin Sakus, our Membership Whip will be attending the Board meeting this evening and you may join or renew your membership tonight at Stadium Pizza.

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA Board will be meeting on Feb. 1, 2011 and all SDGA members are invited to attend. :rockon:

We will be reviewing the Grant Committee's submission to the Spokane Parks Foundation.

Come on out and hear what Justin Shrack and the Grant Committee have put together for the SDGA. :seeya:

We will be meeting at the Stadium Pizza Parlor at 7:00 pm.

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA will be holding an Open Member Meeting on March 1, 2011.

We will meet at Stadium Pizza at 7:00 pm.

We will have a sign-up sheet for disc golfers that would like to speak at the meeting.

You do not need to be a member to attend this meeting.

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA Board will be meeting on Feb. 1, 2011 and all SDGA members are invited to attend.

We will be reviewing the Grant Committee's submission to the Spokane Parks Foundation.

Come on out and hear what Justin Shrack and the Grant Committee have put together for the SDGA.

We will be working on protocol for the weeklies at this meeting and would like all the weekly TD's to attend.

Think Globally and Play Locally in the PDGA Global Disc Golf Tournament.

We will be meeting at the Stadium Pizza Parlor at 7:00 pm.

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA will be holding an Open Member Meeting on March 1, 2011.

We will meet at Stadium Pizza at 7:00 pm.

We will have a sign-up sheet for disc golfers that would like to speak at the meeting.

You do not need to be a member to attend this meeting.

[jshrack]

Well... the SDGA Board Members seem to have started a petition to undermine the Charter Review Process.

I think the project has been officially scrapped as a result.

:pullhair:

[Parks]

Justin, this is the first I've heard of this. What petition?

[Wobbly Bob]

Well... the SDGA Board Members seem to have started a petition to undermine the Charter Review Process.

I think the project has been officially scrapped as a result.

:pullhair:

Justin, what petition do you speak of? No one that I know has mentioned a petition to undermine the Charter review process.

There are more adult ways to ask what has happened with the Charter Review Committee. Spreading rumors is uncalled for, so grow up and get your facts straight.

[jshrack]

Gordy handed it to me and asked me to sign it.
I was a bit unnerved and just set it down without comment.
A few others had already signed it.
I may have mis-spoke when I said "Board Members," maybe just "Board Member."
I apologize if you felt your participation was implied, also for the confusion it sparked.

Either way, our committee had no authority but it seemed stupid to go through the process if it is just gonna be challenged later.
I don't think I am the first to come to this conclusion.
Ask around...

[Parks]

What was Gordy's problem with the committee?

[Gordy #21004]

What was Gordy's problem with the committee?

The members of the committee, Tim ,Jeff, myself,Lesli,Bob & Jon , I do not have a problem with....When we held our annual Super Bowl party at our house in early February I asked if Club members present would favor a charter review climate in which preservation of our core tenants would be preserved.. Justin was a guest at our house and , as a Club member, was invited to express his support in favor of this sentiment. In addition to the 7 or eight who supported the statement there were others who declined , Justin among them. ...This survey was made in the open and was simply intended to gauge whether people were interested in either surgical or radical alteration of the Club Charter. As a contributor to the existing Charter I do not find it far fetched to revise our founding document in a manner that preserves the possibility of our volunteer electorate working together as a unit....It strikes me that future SDGA Boards and members would prefer preserving an elected core governing body. Just sayin.

[jshrack]

Let's do the Time Warp again!
:dancing:

[Yoduh]

I got a real interesting idea for our charter. Stay with me it might seem outlandish. Let's write it so it says candidates will speak before electors make their votes:shocked:

[Wobbly Bob]

Jeremy, did you forget that there was a Candidate's Forum, exactly for that reason. You chose to wait until the last minute to throw your hat into the ring.

I have thought hard about this and because I tried to make nominations available for as many people and up to the last minute, I ended up with this situation. What started out as a good intentioned plan backfired on me :explode:.

The only way that I could think of to fix this was to have nominations open for one month :posting: and have campaigning for two months :cheerleader: and there will be no campaigning at the meeting on election day :nono:.

[Yoduh]

Where is Nevin's? I think he's a very smart and from what I hear he could probably write a markedly better charter ;) He could use a chainsaw or a boning knife. Tim if your reading this you should ask the doctors you work with and help organize which utensil you should use to help us rewrite the constitution:p
Does it make sense to give him feedback, and then let him write it? He could just propose it, and present it at a club meeting. All the members could talk about it and vote on it.:kissflowers:

[Yoduh]

Jeremy, did you forget that there was a Candidate's Forum, exactly for that reason. You chose to wait until the last minute to throw your hat into the ring.

I have thought hard about this and because I tried to make nominations available for as many people and up to the last minute, I ended up with this situation. What started out as a good intentioned plan backfired on me :explode:.

The only way that I could think of to fix this was to have nominations open for one month :posting: and have campaigning for two months :cheerleader: and there will be no campaigning at the meeting on election day :nono:.

How many people voted at the election? Was it really that difficult or odd to expect that the candidates would speak before the voting process? Especially considering that it's happened every single year since the SDGA has went with this process?
It was pretty obvious that after listening to your's and Gordy's speeches, that you don't want to speak before the election because it's not your strong point.
I do not consider online forums a quality place to run a cam-pain. (a restaurant is:whistler:)Considering that maybe 12-15 people on this forum vote, and we had 50 voters, this forum doesn't cover the broad spectrum of voters very well. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE NO CAMPAIGNING THE DAY OF AN ELECTION BOB! That's a club decision. You aren't the whole club. Put to vote and your members would vote you down in this area, but you keep manipulating what's best for you. Why are you afraid/against allowing candidates to speak before the election? Please don't say time, 6 people taking up a max of 5 minutes a piece is only 30 minutes. Our club meetings are legendary for their length.:yawn: Don't let everybody miss out on a once a year Time warp again!:cheerleader:

[Wobbly Bob]

How many people voted at the election? Was it really that difficult or odd to expect that the candidates would speak before the voting process? Especially considering that it's happened every single year since the SDGA has went with this process?
It was pretty obvious that after listening to your's and Gordy's speeches, that you don't want to speak before the election because it's not your strong point.
I do not consider online forums a quality place to run a cam-pain. (a restaurant is:whistler:)Considering that maybe 12-15 people on this forum vote, and we had 50 voters, this forum doesn't cover the broad spectrum of voters very well. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE NO CAMPAIGNING THE DAY OF AN ELECTION BOB! That's a club decision. You aren't the whole club. Put to vote and your members would vote you down in this area, but you keep manipulating what's best for you. Why are you afraid/against allowing candidates to speak before the election? Please don't say time, 6 people taking up a max of 5 minutes a piece is only 30 minutes. Our club meetings are legendary for their length.:yawn: Don't let everybody miss out on a once a year Time warp again!:cheerleader:

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

[Yoduh]

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

BLAH BLAH BLAH! If people are there to vote for the candidates, then quite simply they should be allowed to speak. We aren't running million dollar campaigns like a president. As I said maybe 15 people read these forums, 50 people voted. I know it would would be tough to loose an election because you can't convince the voters the day of the election because you can't speak about what you intend to do eloquently.
Actually if you look at it is modeled after the U.S. System in that 30% of the people voting actually know what they are voting for. Good job Bob

[Yoduh]

Where is Nevin's? I think he's a very smart and from what I hear he could probably write a markedly better charter ;) He could use a chainsaw or a boning knife. Tim if your reading this you should ask the doctors you work with and help organize which utensil you should use to help us rewrite the constitution:p
Does it make sense to give him feedback, and then let him write it? He could just propose it, and present it at a club meeting. All the members could talk about it and vote on it.:kissflowers:

Bueller? Anyone?

[Wobbly Bob]

BLAH BLAH BLAH! If people are there to vote for the candidates, then quite simply they should be allowed to speak. We aren't running million dollar campaigns like a president. As I said maybe 15 people read these forums, 50 people voted. I know it would would be tough to loose an election because you can't convince the voters the day of the election because you can't speak about what you intend to do eloquently.
Actually if you look at it is modeled after the U.S. System in that 30% of the people voting actually know what they are voting for. Good job Bob

Put your volunteer time where your mouth is Jeremy. I challenge you to step up and run the election committee next year.

[Lyounger]

...compassion and civility towards others.

[Yoduh]

I have decided to accept Bob's invitation to run the SDGA election's next year.

[Lyounger]

This is great news :-)

I have every confidence you will do an exceptional job and you will feel rewarded for being a part of a successful effort to improve the club.

Thanks for stepping up!!

[Wobbly Bob]

Jeremy, what I said was that I challenge you to be the Election Secretary, you have twisted my words and made it sound like I invited you to be the Election Secretary. The Election Secretary is a Board appointed position. You will have to petition and be approved by the Board to hold this position.

[Yoduh]

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

Yeah sure Bob...:cop:

[Yoduh]

Clinging to power is a nice look for you.

[psychodwarf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob
On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

Yeah sure Bob...
did you not read this yoduh ? it says "then step up and volunteer for this upcoming election" it did not say "come and take over this election" . and i would also have to agree with LYOUNGER in that there should be compassion and civility towards others when using this forum instead of just badmouthing other people(yes i am one of them badmouthing ppl and i am srry about it ) just to get their point across.

please take this to heart when posting "it aint no better then standing on your front porch yelling at everyone who walks by " so please think before you post IT just might be a little hurtful:biggrin2:

[jshrack]

Odd... I remember a similar discussion at one of our meetings.
It was brought up at a club meeting, as a possible conflict of interest to have a candidate running the elections, and quickly passed over since this is a duty of the Public Relations officer and always has been...

This is what I was lead to believe, anyway. :slapface:

Had our Board been given this option, I would be DISGUSTED at them appointing one of the five candidates to run the election process.
With all the other people who could do the job, it would seem extremely suspect to appoint Bob the duty.
Thankfully this was NOT the case as the Board never made such an appointment.

[Yoduh]

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

I believe that it clearly states right here that Bob is more than willing to turn the election process over to me, Joe. I did nothing to illicit any such offer from Bob, I merely accepted it. No where in the charter does it say that the Board must vote on who the election Secretary is.
Shrack, thanks for pointing out another glaring mistake that the SDGA made, allowing a Board member running for a posistion, to also be the election Secretary is a very clear conflict of interest. Is that how the US system works? Bob misreported the vote count to this forum too. Seems like you have enough on your plate Bob. I'm pretty sure I could handle something as simple as running an election.
Quoted by Leslie
This is great news :-)

I have every confidence you will do an exceptional job and you will feel rewarded for being a part of a successful effort to improve the club.

Thanks for stepping up!!
Thanks for your vote of confidence Leslie. I will do my best!

[Parks]

Next open member meeting with be Tuesday, July 12th, at 7pm. We will be meeting at 5 Mile Pizza at 6409 N Maple St.

Haven't had a meeting in a while, so this should be a good one.

[Miguel]

...compassion and civility towards others.

Yes please. I am very taken aback by the vitriol and spite I read when I come on the forum.

[Miguel]

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.


Well-I am going to have to disagree there Bob. There are no SDGA TV campaign ads, print ads or mailers. We are not inundated by bus tours, train stops and televised debates Participation on the forum is sparce and limited to just a core group.

As a grass roots organization, we should strive to be as enjoining and member friendly as possible~feasible~reasonable. I think that it is not only well within reason but a great idea for the members to hear what candidates have to say before an election...to ask questions...to hear answers and with that-if they choose to attend meetings-cast their informed vote.

My 2 cents anyways...

[Miguel]

Jeremy, did you forget that there was a Candidate's Forum, exactly for that reason. You chose to wait until the last minute to throw your hat into the ring.

I have thought hard about this and because I tried to make nominations available for as many people and up to the last minute, I ended up with this situation. What started out as a good intentioned plan backfired on me :explode:.

The only way that I could think of to fix this was to have nominations open for one month :posting: and have campaigning for two months :cheerleader: and there will be no campaigning at the meeting on election day :nono:.

Bob-sorry...I missed that post about the forum. Can you help me understand the rationale behind no campaigning or speeches the day of? Just curious...

[Wobbly Bob]

Over half of the people voting sign up for membership on the night of the election. :cheers: This last minute sign up takes time from the meeting.

It doesn't matter how the election is run, some people will find fault with the way it was run. :waaah:

I have grown weary from people complaining about how I have run the elections. :seeya: The board will be selecting someone else to do this job for 2012.

[Yoduh]

Over half of the people voting sign up for membership on the night of the election. :cheers: This last minute sign up takes time from the meeting.

It doesn't matter how the election is run, some people will find fault with the way it was run. :waaah:

I have grown weary from people complaining about how I have run the elections. :seeya: The board will be selecting someone else to do this job for 2012.

I am very happy that Dr. Mike can see the obvious complaint that I have. If I would have just went past my bachelor's degree at WSU and got my Doctorate than maybe I could have been as eloquent as he is:D

We have ran every election up until this year in the manor that Dr. Mike and I are speaking of. I think that the process was skewed on purpose and I call for a reelection. If you are tired Bob you can step down.

[Yoduh]

It makes absolutely no sense at all to have a window in which people are allowed to accept nomintations and have a candidates forum before that window has closed. I wasn't sure I was going to run because I know how much energy I was going to put into that job and I had to make sure that I was in it for the long haul. I accept my nomination and you tell me after the election is over that I missed my opportunity to speak? You should study our government a little closer.. really any government that follows an election process.

[Dadio!]

Well, Glad I found meeting sched thread. Too bad it is an entrenched pissing match. The joys of volunteer organizations. :-) Won't make tuesday's, still in Seattle. Hopefully can make August or Sept.

[Miguel]

Bob-you have a tough and at times thankless job...and there will always be a 'better' way to have done things. Thanks for all of the hard work you have done. We learn, we move on.

I would just please ask everyone to do so. Done, over...we learn from our successes and failures and hopefully improve. Jeremy-I really think you need to let this go amigo. I think that alot of good things from this year and we can move forward with it. Let's not mire in the past.

[Miguel]

Is there an agenda posted for tonight?

[Parks]

Just a quick reminder about the meeting tonight - Tuesday, July 12th, at 7pm. We will be meeting at 5 Mile Pizza at 6409 N Maple St.

Mike: I don't think an agenda has been posted.

[Lyounger]

Hey, I won't be making the meeting tonight but I'm pleading with everybody who does attend...

Please be civil to one another.
Please take turns talking.
Please try really hard to listen and really 'hear' others.
Please be open-minded and solutions oriented.
Please leave the past in the past.
Please be respectful and hold your tongue if you need to.
Please recognize any of your own 'personal' agendas.
Please remember the majority of us LOVE disc golf and want pretty much the same thing.
Slow down, be kind, be quiet, listen...

[General Scales]

Hey, I won't be making the meeting tonight but I'm pleading with everybody who does attend...

Please be civil to one another.
Please take turns talking.
Please try really hard to listen and really 'hear' others.
Please be open-minded and solutions oriented.
Please leave the past in the past.
Please be respectful and hold your tongue if you need to.
Please recognize any of your own 'personal' agendas.
Please remember the majority of us LOVE disc golf and want pretty much the same thing.
Slow down, be kind, be quiet, listen...

I'd also say don't drink till the meeting is over. Alcohol has this amazing ability to make all the above not happen.

[Yoduh]

I'd also say don't drink till the meeting is over. Alcohol has this amazing ability to make all the above not happen.

LIKE!! and Leslie's post too!

Next time there's a meeting can we get a reminder a day early? Thanks

[Miguel]

Great meeting last night...

[General Scales]

Great meeting last night...

What was discussed? Was everyone civil to each other?

[Wobbly Bob]

First off, the meeting went smooth with a civility that Lesli would have commended.

All board members except Kevin attended and there were 4 members present; JJ Atkins, Tim Vache, Shawna Buzzingham and Mike Melkers.

Jeff didn't have any new things to report.

Gordy gave his brief treasurer's report as always.

Bob showed an example of a new tee sign design for Downriver.

Jon reported that the Board has approved the purchase of a new putting basket for High Bridge Park.
He also reported that he and Kevin were working on an above ground solution for installing baskets and pads at People's Park.
The solution involves 700 lb. decorative precast concrete blocks with a basket anchor cast into the block.
The tee boxes come as 2 - 4' X 4' precast slabs that weigh around 700 lbs. apiece.
Jon will be talking with the Parks Dept. concerning this solution in the near future.

Jon and Gordy will be talking with Tony Nessarian soon to finalize our agreement with the Spokane Parks Foundation concerning SPF becoming our non-profit fiscal agent. This will allow us to receive non-profit donations from corporations in the future.

Tim Vache and Shawna Buzzingham brought a proposal to the board concerning the upcoming USDGC tournament.
If you haven't heard, Tim Vache, Tom Stephens and Mike Leslie were invited to compete at the USDGC tournament in Rock Hill, S.C. on Oct. 5-8, 2011.
They have requested financial help from the SDGA to fund their trip to Rock Hill. Due to the prestige of this event the SDGA has approved a loan of $1300 to these three individuals to facilitate making the travel arrangements so that they can compete. The board has also approved each of these competitors a $100 sponsorship. We wish them good luck and a great time at Rock Hill this fall.

[Wobbly Bob]

LIKE!! and Leslie's post too!

Next time there's a meeting can we get a reminder a day early? Thanks

Lyle posted the July 12th meeting on June 30th on this thread.

[jshrack]

Tim Vache and Shawna Buzzingham brought a proposal to the board concerning the upcoming USDGC tournament.
If you haven't heard, Tim Vache, Tom Stephens and Mike Leslie were invited to compete at the USDGC tournament in Rock Hill, S.C. on Oct. 5-8, 2011.
They have requested financial help from the SDGA to fund their trip to Rock Hill. Due to the prestige of this event the SDGA has approved a loan of $1300 to these three individuals to facilitate making the travel arrangements so that they can compete. The board has also approved each of these competitors a $100 sponsorship. We wish them good luck and a great time at Rock Hill this fall.

Hey SDGA!
Way to support our local players !!!
I really think the Board did a great thing here.
It also helps our club show a track record of community support in offering these guys both a loan and sponsorship for this AMAZING opportunity.
Way to represent Spokane Disc Golfers :cheers:

[Yoduh]

Have the Public relations guy put on the Kiosk a week in advance and a couple days in advance that there will be a meeting. You only had 4 club members show up out of how many? I check this site almost every day but 2 weeks in advance slipped right by as it obviously did with others.

[Parks]

Yea, I hope the low attendance of this meeting was due to poor publicity rather than member apathy. That being said, I don't know if/when the meeting info was posted at the course kiosks.

[coryreu]

[QUOTE] I check this site almost every day but 2 weeks in advance slipped right by

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[coryreu]

I check this site almost every day but 2 weeks in advance slipped right by

?????

[Yoduh]

I check this site almost every day but 2 weeks in advance slipped right by

?????

As in the meeting was posted 2 weeks in advance and in all that goes on in life I forgot about the meeting, if I would have read something a couple or 3 days before the event it would have stuck a lot better. Not really anyone's fault but my own, I'm just asking that meeting reminders be thrown up as we approach the meetings.

[LJ Jubner]

It was posted on another thread that

"...because the number of Spokane courses has tripled since the SDGA inception. That each course should offer a volunteer groundskeeper to work directly with the Facilities coordinator."

I think this is a good idea and should be supported.



Remember to ask Santa for $20 for your SDGA membership renewal.

[special K]

I have made the decisions to resign from the board due to my daughters medical issues. I will be resigning at the end of the month. If you signed up and never got a shirt , please contact me ASAP so i can give you a shirt. My number is 509-216-49two nine.

Thank you Kevin S.

[jshrack]

Kevin!!!
I wish Ashley and you all the best in the world and I hope your medical woes become part of the distant past.

I implore you to endure the Membership Whip position until it can be put up for election...

Yet, I understand and support your decision to put family first. :bowing:

[Gordy #21004]

Your contributions will not be forgotten. Will you please sign me up for one more year before you go?
Good health to Ashly, see you on the course. G. Here's to ya:chug:

[LJ Jubner]

The Sekani project screams I need a manager and the other courses scream what about us?

These two points illustrate how badly courses need volunteer on site groundskeepers or superintendents.

I would like this concept added to the next board meeting agenda and hopefully before the entire club in January.

Remember, only currents get to vote.

[psychodwarf]

The Sekani project screams I need a manager and the other courses scream what about us?

These two points illustrate how badly courses need volunteer on site groundskeepers or superintendents.

I would like this concept added to the next board meeting agenda and hopefully before the entire club in January.

Remember, only currents get to vote.

thank you jubb.. as someone who has been a volunteer groundskeeper (i.e dump garbage cans and helps keep the course picked up) i thank you.. Yesterday at downriver there was a casual golfer out on the course on a minibike i told him to get it out of the park, and now i am being called a cop caller ! this is what some golfers think about the cousres "it`s my playgroud i will do what i want " and then they trash the course and demand someone else clean it up.. so thank you jub ..:yay::yay::yay:

[Wobbly Bob]

Attention SDGA Members
There will be a Members Meeting this week

Where; The old Season Ticket or the new Tailgater (in front of Value Village)
When; Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 7:00 pm
Why; Talk about the new property at Camp Sekani
What would you as an SDGA Member like to see at Camp Sekani?

2012 Memberships will be available

[Stimpi]

This being a MEMBERS meeting, as a member I would like to volunteer to Chair the meeting.
Could someone bring this before the board for me?
Thanks,
Steve

[jshrack]

This being a MEMBERS meeting, as a member I would like to volunteer to Chair the meeting.
Could someone bring this before the board for me?
Thanks,
Steve

I think this is a BRILLIANT idea! :yay:

[Yoduh]

This being a MEMBERS meeting, as a member I would like to volunteer to Chair the meeting.
Could someone bring this before the board for me?
Thanks,
Steve

I'm pretty sure that members attend a member meeting not chair it.. If so I heard that Former SDGA president Maka Johnson would be interested in Chairing the meeting. I think that would be an Extremely Excellent Idea!!!:cheerleader:

[Gordy #21004]

Stimpi asked on his own to chair the meeting on behalf of membership. It's a good idea. The fresh air alone will be worth it. Gordy

[Yoduh]

Stimpi asked on his own to chair the meeting on behalf of membership. It's a good idea. The fresh air alone will be worth it. Gordy

He sure didn't ask on my half.. Besides there is nothing in the Charter that allows for a member to chair a meeting. It is the presidents job.. If you want to change the charter that's whole different can of worms. Its going to take a whole entire meeting to fix that.. Are we throwing the rules out and making our own? If so I will take over the Public Relations job for the time being on behalf of the club.:yay:

[Yoduh]

If you want fresh air Gordy you should go play these sweet new courses at Camp Sakani..

[Yoduh]

This meeting should be a dry meeting!!! People have a tendency to talk more and listen less with alchohol involved. Wait for after the meeting to enjoy the spirits people!

[Wobbly Bob]

He sure didn't ask on my half.. Besides there is nothing in the Charter that allows for a member to chair a meeting. It is the presidents job.. If you want to change the charter that's whole different can of worms. Its going to take a whole entire meeting to fix that.. Are we throwing the rules out and making our own? If so I will take over the Public Relations job for the time being on behalf of the club.:yay:

There is nothing about the President chairing a meeting either.

[jshrack]

First off, according the the charter, the president's only responsibility is to coordinate the efforts of the board.
Secondly, Jeff seems to be circumventing the efforts of the board rather than coordinating them... thus the reason for the meeting.

Stimpi has supported SPOKANE DISC GOLF as long as ANYONE in this community.
Stimpi has shown, again and again, that his primary interest is progressing DISC GOLF.

Could the club have a better person as chair/moderator?

PS. The instigation of a DRY MEETING seems like and idea long in the making, I think this is a wonderful suggestion.

[Parks]

I like the idea of Stimpi chairing the meeting, especially since he has volunteered his time and effort to do so.

[Yoduh]

I think the only people allowed to run a club meeting should be people that are impartial. I also think that this is very close to election time and if you were to chair a meeting you should not be somebody interested in gaining an SDGA office seat. So If you can be impartial and you just want to help out..

Shrack.. The reason for the meeting is to discuss Camp Sakani. There was never any mention by Bob that the meeting is because Jeff has some how circumvented the board. Don't let your imagination get the best of you...

[Yoduh]

Shrack. I think Maka would be a better choice in this instance because he doesn't know what's going on at all. He is interested in finding out and hasn't made a decision such as what Stimpi has on this Forum. He has also not belittled people nor ridiculed people. Not something I want to see in a "Moderator". To me and to most people I think a moderator is somebody who is trying to find out what everybody thinks. They haven't already made up their mind. Sort of like the moderators from the news agency's during presidential debates. Stimpi has clearly stated his mind and I think this makes him a clear cutHORRIBLE choice for a moderator.

[Yoduh]

I just heard that there is an email going to some disc golfers noting that there will be a club meeting Tomorrow. Heard it was received today. Dr. Mike Melkers was extremely disappointed that only one days notice was given and wondered why this had happened. I myself never got an email and I wonder who else in the club who hadn't got the email. Maybe I should take over that PR job Bob. BTW I just checked the page where Bob asked for emails and mine is on there twice.

[Wobbly Bob]

I just heard that there is an email going to some disc golfers noting that there will be a club meeting Tomorrow. Heard it was received today. Dr. Mike Melkers was extremely disappointed that only one days notice was given and wondered why this had happened. I myself never got an email and I wonder who else in the club who hadn't got the email. Maybe I should take over that PR job Bob. BTW I just checked the page where Bob asked for emails and mine is on there twice.

Yes, your email address is listed in the club email list. However, the club email tool is broken and cannot be used. I sent out a reminder to those disc golfers in my personal contacts list. If I had a current membership list I would have emailed those people about the meeting. You didn't receive an email because you are not in my personal contacts.

[jshrack]

Maka has stated multiple times that he doesn't want a thing to do with the SDGA... why would he chair a meeting?

And yes, the meeting is about Camp Sakani, which is a project that the CLUB would like to take over with the help of Tom Schott... Is Jeff coordinating those efforts or circumventing them???

I also talked to the Mountain Bike club president, on the course, the other day. He and a buddy were finishing the cutting of a trail and jumps that were about 25-35ft away from one of our baskets... He shared his discontent and worries for the current set-up. He also let us know that he expressed this to Jeff and was met with indifference. :slapface:

[Yoduh]

Maka has stated multiple times that he doesn't want a thing to do with the SDGA... why would he chair a meeting?

And yes, the meeting is about Camp Sakani, which is a project that the CLUB would like to take over with the help of Tom Schott... Is Jeff coordinating those efforts or circumventing them???

I also talked to the Mountain Bike club president, on the course, the other day. He and a buddy were finishing the cutting of a trail and jumps that were about 25-35ft away from one of our baskets... He shared his discontent and worries for the current set-up. He also let us know that he expressed this to Jeff and was met with indifference. :slapface:

The CLUB Wants Tom Schott???????????? Didn't see a vote anywhere about that.. Sounds like something that Gordy and Bob and perhaps Steve and a couple others but they hardly make up the whole entire club..... Jeff has been working with the bike people. Their President was with us during our meeting as was another Mountain Bike representative who also happens to be a disc golfer. We went over every hole location hole by hole. We were approved to be where we are by the trail people, the Bike People and the director of the project for the city of Spokane.

Speaking of danger and Tom Schott if you happen to think that Downriver is a somewhat dangerous place to play you should go play De La Veaga.. It's a beautiful place with great shots and certain stitches and concussions waiting to happen. I hope nobody dies there, or at Downriver for that matter.

The Club wanted to and voted to fix Downriver. What happen to that. I think it's more dangerous now than it was 2 years ago.

[LJ Jubner]

I like the idea of Stimpi chairing the meeting, especially since he has volunteered his time and effort to do so.

I would have to agree here also. Stimpi and I have been friends for years now. I remember back in 02 (and since) the many conversations we had about the Dream property that is Camp Sekani.

Jeremy You should be disappointed by Jeff's actions. Once he took it upon himself to work on this project, he excused himself of any responsibilities as the club steward. Again, I suggest if Jeff wants to be the club rep for course installations he should run for the Facilities position on the board.

This does ask the question why Facilities was kept out of the loop?

As a far s Maka goes The club wants nothing to do with him. The way this worked out is straight out of the Maka playbook. "I need to be the one who resurrects DG in Spokane". But when he realized he was not going to ramrod projects and PROFIT off DG, he quit! Besides, wouldn't it be prudent to have a current member chair this meeting?

So my question is
Why would you really want a proven quitter to head such an important meeting about such an important project?

[Yoduh]

As somebody who has played several Tom Schott courses I can say that I have played several questionable holes that he has designed. If you as a club member are thinking that having him come and design a course that somehow doesn't have dangerous places on it than you do not understand the nature of disc golf or the nature of the elevation and the thin trees on these hills. Also, what has been designed is not permanent. Anybody can come up and help and add input and work. I have no clue why we as a club would want to give a project to somebody who does not have the time to design our complex properly.

[Gordy #21004]

Since the news of Sekani opening to us a few weeks ago the Board has made three attempts to meet. Jeff has no interest in working this back through the Club or its Board. We are trying and trying to get Jeff to see that this is a Club project, not his. We continue to point out that the appointments he makes and the liberties he takes are not his to solely decide. Consensus takes time and is usually painful but this property deserves a fair shake.
As for the meeting announcement; It came out Monday for a meeting on Thursday. Thanksgiving is next week. I'll be there tonight with my membership card in hand. Gordy SDGA Member #1

[LJ Jubner]

The CLUB Wants Tom Schott???????????? Didn't see a vote anywhere about that.. Sounds like something that Gordy and Bob and perhaps Steve and a couple others but they hardly make up the whole entire club..... Jeff has been working with the bike people. Their President was with us during our meeting as was another Mountain Bike representative who also happens to be a disc golfer. We went over every hole location hole by hole. We were approved to be where we are by the trail people, the Bike People and the director of the project for the city of Spokane..

It seems he has worked with everyone but the board. Who does he really work for? himself? A few members? or the members who elected him.


The CLUB Wants Tom Schott???????????? Didn't see a vote anywhere about that.. Speaking of danger and Tom Schott if you happen to think that Downriver is a somewhat dangerous place to play you should go play De La Veaga.. It's a beautiful place with great shots and certain stitches and concussions waiting to happen. I hope nobody dies there, or at Downriver for that matter. The Club wanted to and voted to fix Downriver. What happen to that. I think it's more dangerous now than it was 2 years ago.

Jeremy
Don't you claim to be one of the Original Downriver Designers? Did you not have the same concerns then or is it because so many more people are playing DG might be the reason?

the rest of this seems more like grasping at straws to me. Tom Schot is one of the premier course designers in DG. And the belittling of the hallowed halls that are De La you should be ashamed. The pDGA had no qualms about De La hosting worlds last summer and yet you do.

[Yoduh]

I would have to agree here also. Stimpi and I have been friends for years now. I remember back in 02 (and since) the many conversations we had about the Dream property that is Camp Sekani.

Jeremy You should be disappointed by Jeff's actions. Once he took it upon himself to work on this project, he excused himself of any responsibilities as the club steward. Again, I suggest if Jeff wants to be the club rep for course installations he should run for the Facilities position on the board.

This does ask the question why Facilities was kept out of the loop?

As a far s Maka goes The club wants nothing to do with him. The way this worked out is straight out of the Maka playbook. "I need to be the one who resurrects DG in Spokane". But when he realized he was not going to ramrod projects and PROFIT off DG, he quit! Besides, wouldn't it be prudent to have a current member chair this meeting?

So my question is
Why would you really want a proven quitter to head such an important meeting about such an important project?

Jub, You know nothing. You make up things. I refuse to even include you in this discussion. I still love you though.

[Yoduh]

Since the news of Sekani opening to us a few weeks ago the Board has made three attempts to meet. Jeff has no interest in working this back through the Club or its Board. We are trying and trying to get Jeff to see that this is a Club project, not his. We continue to point out that the appointments he makes and the liberties he takes are not his to solely decide. Consensus takes time and is usually painful but this property deserves a fair shake.
As for the meeting announcement; It came out Monday for a meeting on Thursday. Thanksgiving is next week. I'll be there tonight with my membership card in hand. Gordy SDGA Member #1

It most certainly did not come out Monday. You may have talked about it on Monday but it wasn't announced on Monday to the club. That is still less than what is known as proper notice. Just because you have done nothing club wise all summer long doesn't mean you can jerk everybody around like you did this time a year, last year. You are making things difficult for all of your club members and you do not seem to show the best intentions of operating a club in a proper matter. Meetings should be planned a week ahead at the bare minimum. I would plan them 2-4 weeks out since we RARELY have them anyway. Is this crazy request asking that our officers use to much common sense?:blush::slapface::cop: Sort of like running elections and than conducting the speeches for the candidates? Or not having a club meeting for 8 months? Or asking that your club vote and figure out an issue (Downriver redesign) and than just doing what you want?
You have told me on two or three occasions that Tom Schott is one of your good friends. When I was at the World Championships last year near Chicago I ran into Tom and he told me to let you personally know that he would love to have you come down for this years worlds in Santa Cruz. He has also been to your property before and played what you called big money games with you. On this very Forum you act like you don't know him and that somehow he found out about this project through Stimpi. Such a freaking JOKE!!!! You try and manipulate around every corner and then point a finger at Jeff? Jeff has been trying to get a good course in that we can play and do fundraisers on and you act like he is about to set fire to the place?

Why don't you fix Downriver and then get back to us... The course that you and Jason Denver and perhaps Tripp and a couple others designed. The only holes I designed in the city other than the ones at peoples, are at High Bridge.. Long 13, 14, 15, 2 and 6 Corey Davis, Stimpi, and Jerry Gower all designed different chunks of that course.

[Yoduh]

Jub, I will reply to one of your quips.. should be enough for you to realize where you are at.. Maka is a current club member.

[Yoduh]

De La is dangerous!!! I have 2 friends from Santa Cruz, between the 2 of them they have had to get stitches 3 times. I've been hit hard twice, once in the shoulder and the other time in the leg. Only been there 60 times or so. You cannot dare me not to question what I know. The reason that you can play Dela in a tourney is because of spotters. You go there and play casual golf, especially on a weekend. I pray you don't get decapitated!! It is scary!!!!

[jshrack]

Jeremy,
We (Spokane disc golfers) would like to feel more included in this project.

You may have reasons to disagree with our suggestions and I assume many are valid reasons at that.
Instead you are dismissing many suggestions by attacking the individuals who speak up.
These personal attacks are not gaining favor.

Jeff and you have made it quite obvious (through your comments and actions) that you are not eager to work with our local communities...

This is, quite simply, an issue for many people. :)

I hope this issue can be resolved through reasonable communication and some sort of compromise.

[Stimpi]

I thought the meeting went well. Emotions often ran high, but everyone kept their cool and the discussions were pertinent.
No motions were presented, nor votes held, due to the meeting being held in an Over-21 establishment and all members couldn't, legally, be present, not to mention the members who may need to bring young'uns to the meeting.
The one thing agreed upon by all present was the announcement of another Members Meeting to be held on Wednesday, November 30th, at 7:00pm, at a Family establishment to be announced later.
From what I understand, the topic of said meeting will be the future of the Camp Sekani Disc Golf Course property. The club membership, and the Board, will discuss a direction to proceed, and appoint a Project Manager to oversee the clubs wishes for the development of this property, from design to completion. Duties would include being a liaison between all concerned agencies (SDGA, Park Dept, Bike Club, Beacon Hill Agenda folks, etc..) assisting the Designer(s), organizing work parties, and more I suppose. So I think we should gather many members together for the meeting and see what direction we want to take with this promising area.
Thanks to all who showed up tonight.
We even drew Jack Wardian over from North Idaho. Thanks for coming, Jack.

[Yoduh]

Jeremy,
We (Spokane disc golfers) would like to feel more included in this project.

You may have reasons to disagree with our suggestions and I assume many are valid reasons at that.
Instead you are dismissing many suggestions by attacking the individuals who speak up.
These personal attacks are not gaining favor.

Jeff and you have made it quite obvious (through your comments and actions) that you are not eager to work with our local communities...

This is, quite simply, an issue for many people. :)

I hope this issue can be resolved through reasonable communication and some sort of compromise.

Please include an example of a valid suggestion that I have dismissed. All I can figure out is that I've been blamed for doing something wrong which I haven't done. I have set up a temporary course that we can use to raise money for our new land. I am not excluding anybody from coming down and helping and giving suggestions or even figuring out there own thing. There are no victims here except for people that are putting themselves in the position as the victim. People are acting as if I have built a huge moat around the park and its off limits to anybody else.

Nothing is set in concrete, buckets are set on wooden stands, the earth is still spinning and Jeff just got the parks department to give us 57 acres. effectively doubling our land that we were given.

If you would like to hear more you can call me and/ or come down to check it out with me and show me what you are thinking. This is a club project. The bike people are quickly expanding and our presence will stop them from moving further towards our area.

There are a lot of factors that are coming together quite rapidly. If you want to come up with your own, or a you and a buddy's design, please by all means do so. I want the best possible course's that uses our land the best possible way.

I have been hard at this design because I want to play 7 minutes from my house instead of driving across town. I haven't played a round at DR or HB in over a month.

I could easily see this land ending up like High Bridge where we use 4 different peoples (or groups of people) ideas in order to make the best of what we have. I could see somebody designing a course and us only using 5 of their holes but using most of the flow from their design.

[Timber]

I have set up a temporary course that we can use to raise money for our new land. I am not excluding anybody from coming down and helping and giving suggestions or even figuring out there own thing.

Nothing is set in concrete, buckets are set on wooden stands, the earth is still spinning and Jeff just got the parks department to give us 57 acres. effectively doubling our land that we were given.

I for one am grateful that something is actually being done. I liked most of what I saw the other day (only had time to check out 2/3 of the lower course).

Is there a possibility of posting a map of the current proposed layout?

[Wobbly Bob]

One of the things we were able to get ironed out last night was to set the date for our next member meeting.

We will be meeting on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 @ 7 pm. The location has not been selected as of yet but it will be a family friendly setting.

Watch this thread for the location announcement.

[Yoduh]

I am very dissapointed with the reports I've heard back from the meeting regarding the way it was chaired. We are in a better place now but there was a SERIOUS lack of leadership in chairing the meeting. For further meetings a chairman allows each member to speak. If one member addresses another member with a question. That member should be allowed to answer the question fully before another member is called onto speak. SNIDE comments should not be allowed and asking question upon question without allowing the person to finish their answers, is not how a proper meeting should be ran.

With all that being said I think we found a common ground and there was an understanding that was reached. I am very excited about this huge new chunk of land that Jeff has brought us and it will make coming up with a design a much easier process.:cheers:

[Parks]

I just called Round Table on Francis and they said they are booked on November 30th, so we need to find another all ages venue for this upcoming open meeting.

The other venues that I've heard suggested are 5 Mile Pizza but it can get very loud there, and the Hills restaurant downtown but the room there might not be large enough if a lot of people show up. I thought Luigi's was a good place but I guess others didn't like it for some reason.

Any suggestions for an all ages place with a room that can comfortably seat 20-30 people where everyone can easily hear the meeting?

[jshrack]

Has anyone contacted the West Central Community Center?
Seems that they are centrally located and open to the community... thus the name. :wink2:

I have another question too, why are we in such a rush to get Sakani done THIS WINTER?
We are about to elect a new Facilites Coordinator... shouldn't they have some say in the most major facilities project that will be mostly done during their two-year term?

As a result, I would also like to propose that we start the Nomination Process at the NOV 30th meeting, maybe it will kick start the Election Process.
This also gives the club a full month to consider nominees and their perspectives before the new year. Maybe a follow-up election meeting can be planned, as well... hopefully scheduled for a January date?

[Stimpi]

I have another question too, why are we in such a rush to get Sakani done THIS WINTER?


Jeremy and JD expressed the need for haste as being driven by the bicycle club. Apparently the parks dept boundaries are ambiguous and subject to "land grabs". I suspect this may be overcome by a solid relationship with the Parks Dept, and their desire for disc golf in this area to curtail the bikers, somewhat.

[Yoduh]

Simpi is correct. Our club rushed and put in 9 holes, and our course was set up at High Bridge. The goal of the holes were to take up as much land as could be taken with the amount of funds that the club had in it's account. This is pre four mounds. I spent quite a bit of time designing possible layouts for a really tough 18 hole layout. It would also play as a very fun 27 holes course that had every single shot from 160ft and out. with multiple tee-pads. Corey Davis helped me out and it was a really good design. Would have been the coolest concept. Could have played a 23 hole course with par 4 par 4's or an 18 with 6 par 4's. I raised $1200 by holding 3 High Bridge Teasers and another $350 from 6 one round summer evening events. The others that were competing never materialized and a year later we secured the last 9 and they were installed in the exact same month that I went to California, again.

This scenario is almost the exact same as the others except I am not going to California and that there is a very real competitor for our land.

The park manager gives us things in private conversations and than tells others that they can have what he's given to us and vice versa. This is not a problem with our relationship with him is in my opinion much closer to being his personality. He seems like a really good guy, I think that he has so much on his plate that it is hard to keep what he says straight between the 3 main competing entity's. The bikers want us to move WAY up on the hill!

We will not have a course low enough to allow family's with kids and newer players to throw on. That hillside is no joke, and there are several generations that would have a very tough time playing it. I think that it is imperative that we move forward as soon as possible. They have a bobcat and they are working long hours developing up there. When I got there at 11:00 today they were working away. When I left at 5:00 they were still working. Hesitation makes a good design that much more difficult as our land where we could possibly be becomes constricted.

I want to thank Stimpi for being honest that he would not be impartial when chairing the meeting. I would like to make sure that it's noted that the board members who voted him to chair the meeting, even after he noted such. Also noted is that we are unscathed right now as a club and that we should begin to pick up steam. Good things are in place to happen at Camp Sakani. Our club needs to be proactive. There is a need for haste and we already have a very good relationship with parks.

[tomw]

It was announced on Nov 17that there would be at meeting on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 @ 7 pm. Today:whistler: is the 28th , Watch:cop: this thread for the location announcement?:(,, o k :rolleyes2:
I sense a pattern here:yawn:

[Parks]

It was announced on Nov 17that there would be at meeting on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 @ 7 pm. Today:whistler: is the 28th , Watch:cop: this thread for the location announcement?:(,, o k :rolleyes2:
I sense a pattern here:yawn:

Quote from Bob's e-mail to the club today: "Hi to all past and present SDGA Members, there will be an open member meeting this coming Wednesday November 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm. We will be meeting at the old Stadium Pizza which has newly remodeled and is now called the Field House. The address is 4423 W. Wellesley. The meeting will start promptly at 7:00 pm and we will be discussing past, present and future projects."

[Wobbly Bob]

If you are not getting emails from the club email tool please check that you have "contact@sdga.us" in your contact list.

If you don't, please add it to your contacts.

If you do and you are not getting our emails please send me a PM with your current email address.

[psychodwarf]

did not get a chance to get to the meeting due to the new baby still at the hospital.. so how did things go ?

[Stimpi]

Did anyone that was at the meeting last week end up with a "Simmons" rangefinder, in a "Simmons" case?
I seem to have misplaced it.
Thanks,

[Wobbly Bob]

There will be a Nomination meeting for all SDGA members on Thursday, Dec. 15, 2011 at the Field House.

This meeting will start at 7:00 pm and will end at 8:00 pm.

Candidates are invited to attend this meeting to meet the public.

You will be able to sign-up for SDGA membership at this meeting.

[Simmeltron]

There will be a Nomination meeting for all SDGA members on Thursday, Dec. 15, 2011 at the Field House.

This meeting will start at 7:00 pm and will end at 8:00 pm.

Candidates are invited to attend this meeting to meet the public.

You will be able to sign-up for SDGA membership at this meeting.

Just want to double check I have the address correct, google maps shows the address as: 4423 West Wellesley Avenue, Spokane, WA. Is this correct?

[Wobbly Bob]

Just want to double check I have the address correct, google maps shows the address as: 4423 West Wellesley Avenue, Spokane, WA. Is this correct?

4423 W. Wellesley is the correct address. It's right across the street from the VA Hospital.

[Parks]

There is a nominations/candidates open meeting at the Field House (former Stadium Pizza) on Thursday 12/15 at 7pm.

It seems like a good idea to make the meeting if you want to run, are running, if you want to nominate someone, or if you just want to know more about the current candidates.

[Lyounger]

I will not be at the meeting tonight. I have a Union meeting at work that conflicts with the SDGA meeting.

Good luck to everyone and please play nice :-)

[Timber]

Pasted from the Nominations thread to keep meeting schedule information in the correct place. Bob, please advise if this info is no longer current.

The SDGA will host a Candidates Forum on January 10, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.). The forum will start at 7:00 pm and each candidate will have ten minutes to speak. Questions for the candidates will be taken after all candidates have spoken.

The Election will be held on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.) and will start promptly at 7:30 pm. There will be no campaigning at the election meeting. The Election Official will introduce the candidates prior to voting.

[Wobbly Bob]

Pasted from the Nominations thread to keep meeting schedule information in the correct place. Bob, please advise if this info is no longer current.

The SDGA will host a Candidates Forum on January 10, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.). The forum will start at 7:00 pm and each candidate will have ten minutes to speak. Questions for the candidates will be taken after all candidates have spoken.

The Election will be held on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.) and will start promptly at 7:30 pm. There will be no campaigning at the election meeting. The Election Official will introduce the candidates prior to voting.

Joe will be available to sign you up for 2012 SDGA membership at the Candidates Forum from 6:00 pm to 7:00 pm and then again after the meeting.

Joe will also be available to sign you up for SDGA membership at the Election from 6:30 pm to 7:15 pm, and then again after the election. The Candidates will be introduced at 7:30 pm and the ballots will be distributed immediately after the introductions.

[Simmeltron]

So if we are already signed up, we just need to be there at 7:30 for the candidate introductions and to vote then, correct? Is that all that is on the agenda (therefore being quite short) or will be be an actual meeting being held?

[Wobbly Bob]

So if we are already signed up, we just need to be there at 7:30 for the candidate introductions and to vote then, correct? Is that all that is on the agenda (therefore being quite short) or will be be an actual meeting being held?

If there is any kind of club meeting it will be after the election is conducted.

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA will host a Members Meeting on Thursday, April 26, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.). The meeting will start at 7:00 pm.

[Wobbly Bob]

The Board met on Tuesday 4/24/2012 in preparation for the upcoming Member Meeting tonight at the Field House at 7:00 pm.

The minutes are attached below.

[Simmeltron]

The SDGA will host a Members Meeting on Thursday, April 26, 2012 at The Field House (4423 W. Wellesley Ave.). The meeting will start at 7:00 pm.

Shoot, this one completely slipped by me... never saw this till now... anything of significance to note? Will meeting notes be shared anytime soon?

Thanks....

[Wobbly Bob]

The Meeting Minutes were attached on the post prior to yours.

[psychodwarf]

bob ..what is posted is the BOARD meeting mins NOT the MEMBERS meeting mins .. that is what Dana is asking about ..

[Wobbly Bob]

The minutes from that meeting have not been sent out yet. As soon as I get them I will post them.

[Simmeltron]

Sounds good, thanks fellas and sorry for slacking on that meeting! :bricks:

[Wobbly Bob]

Here are the Member Meeting Minutes from 4/26/2012.

[Wobbly Bob]

The Spokane Public Library is pleased to confirm our reservation for the meeting room on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 from 5:45 p.m. to 7:45 p.m. The room number will be 1A which is located to the west of the entrance at Lincoln and Main, in the gallery. When you arrive, please go to the second floor reference desk and a staff member will direct you to the meeting room.

See you all there, Bob

[Stimpi]

The Spokane Public Library is pleased to confirm our reservation for the meeting room on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 from 5:45 p.m. to 7:45 p.m. The room number will be 1A which is located to the west of the entrance at Lincoln and Main, in the gallery. When you arrive, please go to the second floor reference desk and a staff member will direct you to the meeting room.

See you all there, Bob

Actually, 1A is just to the left after entering the front door. No need to climb the stairs to the reference desk and then back down to the meeting room.

[BadChuckSean]

If there is a current schedule for meetings, can someone post it or a link?

Would greatly appreciate it.

[Dadio!]

When is next meeting? want to attend my 1st as a member. (and get my sdga disc from Joe) :-)

[Stimpi]

When is next meeting? want to attend my 1st as a member. (and get my sdga disc from Joe) :-)

I don't believe there's a meeting scheduled at this time. November should bring an election/nomination type meeting.
Probably watch this space for the announcement.

[psychodwarf]

as far as i know there is no more meetings this year ..just board meetings..

[Sgt_Mac]

as far as i know there is no more meetings this year ..just board meetings..

Hey -- I want to give you guys some money -- when is the next meeting???

hahah

[Wobbly Bob]

Hey -- I want to give you guys some money -- when is the next meeting???

hahah

Upcoming meetings - there are some election related meetings in the works at this time. The dates are to be announced soon.

[Simmeltron]

There will be an SDGA Member Meeting held on Tuesday, April 2nd. It will be held at the Spokane Public Library in Shadle Park (click for location) (http://goo.gl/maps/TVP4U) from 5:30pm - 7:45pm.

You must be a current SDGA member to attend. If you are not currently a member, you may purchase or renew your membership at the door. Hope to see you there!

[Lyounger]

I appreciate the early notice for this meeting. Thanks very much Dana!!

[ScottW]

You must be a current SDGA member to attend. If you are not currently a member, you may purchase or renew your membership at the door. Hope to see you there!

You're forcing people to be a member just to attend...really!?!?

What if someone was interested in joing the club but not ready to commit just yet? I'm just playing devils advocate here. NIDGC meetings are open to all that way people who may be on the fence can make up there mind, or just see what we have going on.

[Simmeltron]

You're forcing people to be a member just to attend...really!?!?

What if someone was interested in joing the club but not ready to commit just yet? I'm just playing devils advocate here. NIDGC meetings are open to all that way people who may be on the fence can make up there mind, or just see what we have going on.

I believe there are plenty of other ways to find out what is going on with the SDGA if you aren't ready, willing, or able to commit to a $20 annual membership.

A few easy ones...
1. Read the meeting notes that will be published here shortly after the meeting.
2. Attend one of the many events (weeklies, fundraisers, and PDGA sanctioned tournaments) that the SDGA will be hosting out at our beautiful public and private courses in the Spokane area. There will be plenty of opportunities to speak with members and board members alike to find out what is going on.
3. Our Facebook page will become much more active soon, another great source of information.

We apologize if you feel like we are forcing your hand to join, but we felt that these member meetings should be attended by, well, members. It's not like we are hosting a public forum where we are "asking" you to join by men in black suits and ties. (or green ones for that matter) :cool2:

[White Walls]

I do agree with SDGA making their meetings for members only, but having the meeting in a public place gives me pause. Is it legal to do this in Washington?

[Gordy #21004]

The meeting starts at 5:30. Maybe getting in another round at HB or DR would be a better use of the early evening.:wink2:

[Wobbly Bob]

The SDGA can be joined by any person regardless of their sex, color, creed, religion, hair color or whatever. All you need to do is pay the yearly membership dues of $20. What you get for that $20 is the right to vote for Board Members, run for a Board position if you desire, attend member meetings, the opportunity to play disc golf 365 days a year, help do volunteer work on maintenance and upkeep at Highbridge and Downriver. And my personal favorite, pick up the trash that a large number of non-members leave behind. I'm no attorney but anyone can reserve the meeting room at the library at no cost to their respective group. Does that mean that meeting has to be open to the public? I don't think so. Could we open the meeting to the public? Of course we could and have done so in the past.

Anyway I digress, maybe Gordy's idea of throwing another round at Downriver would be a better use of our time. I'll second that motion, all in favor......

[Lyounger]

I believe there are plenty of other ways to find out what is going on with the SDGA if you aren't ready, willing, or able to commit to a $20 annual membership.

A few easy ones...
1. Read the meeting notes that will be published here shortly after the meeting.
2. Attend one of the many events (weeklies, fundraisers, and PDGA sanctioned tournaments) that the SDGA will be hosting out at our beautiful public and private courses in the Spokane area. There will be plenty of opportunities to speak with members and board members alike to find out what is going on.
3. Our Facebook page will become much more active soon, another great source of information.

We apologize if you feel like we are forcing your hand to join, but we felt that these member meetings should be attended by, well, members. It's not like we are hosting a public forum where we are "asking" you to join by men in black suits and ties. (or green ones for that matter) :cool2:

Well put....

[Simmeltron]

If Wobbly Bob's reasons were not clearly enough reason to join, or if you are looking for, wanting, or feel the need for more of an incentive to joining the SDGA (aside from all the work that the club does for Downriver and High Bridge which the members dues contribute to), and are interested in playing in the Lilac City Open, a high profile A/B tier event this coming May, here's one....

The SDGA, in sponsorship of the 2013 Lilac City Open, will be awarding TWO paid entries to the LCO, one Pro ($110) and one Am ($40-85) entry. To enter, you simply need to attend one of the two LCO fundraisers (next, and final one, being April 7th at Four Mound) AND be a current SDGA member.

[White Walls]

Hey, I found out some info:

"All activities in the Library’s meeting rooms must be open to the public, with the exception of certain City, County, State or Federal Government meetings and must be in keeping with the Mission and Goals of the Library. All must be held at no charge to the public."

Source:

http://www.spokanelibrary.org/index.php?page=meetingrooms

I'd just like to reiterate that I do support the idea of making meetings for club members only, but using a public place to do that might not be the best idea. Sorry, I don't mean to be bothersome, I'm just saying what I think is right.

[Yoduh]

The Anchors that have been recently installed at Downriver are in a public place and they aren't with proper parks department approval. Is that legal?

[Wobbly Bob]

http://www.spokanelibrary.org/index.php?page=meetingrooms

I'd just like to reiterate that I do support the idea of making meetings for club members only, but using a public place to do that might not be the best idea. Sorry, I don't mean to be bothersome, I'm just saying what I think is right.

Thanks for the information.

[Yoduh]

White Walls, thanks for the excellent find. It seems that the SDGA will have to move to private walls to keep club business private. I would be a club member and I will be a club member as soon as the debt the SDGA and it's 28 UNANIMOUS voting members is paid to it's sister club DGU is paid. I know of quite a few other members that feel the same way.

[Parks]

The SDGA can be joined by any person regardless of their sex, color, creed, religion, hair color or whatever.

Yeah, I don't know why you guys kept shooting down my "No Canadians" suggestion. It would keep the club pure.

[Simmeltron]

There will be an SDGA Member Meeting held on Tuesday, April 2nd. It will be held at the Spokane Public Library in Shadle Park (click for location) (http://goo.gl/maps/TVP4U) from 5:30pm - 7:45pm.

Thanks to the crack team of NWDGN members, we have a couple updates for the upcoming meeting on April 2.

1) Memberships will NOT be sold at the library. You may contact Bob before or after the meeting if you are interested in a membership. He is available at 509-991-1807 between the hours of 8am and 10pm. If he cannot answer, please leave a message.

2) The meeting will be open to the PUBLIC. :D

[LJ Jubner]

Thanks to the crack team of NWDGN members, we have a couple updates for the upcoming meeting on April 2.

1) Memberships will NOT be sold at the library. You may contact Bob before or after the meeting if you are interested in a membership. He is available at 509-991-1807 between the hours of 8am and 10pm. If he cannot answer, please leave a message.

2) The meeting will be open to the PUBLIC. :D

One additional condition should be considered.

Considering this is a public place each person member or not should be respectful of both the club and the library. The Library has rules of conduct and just because your in a public place does not give you the right to disrupt the meeting being held in one of it's rooms. If you do act up you will be asked to leave member or not. If you smell of alcohol or weed don't bother attending. If it gets to out of hand the library can call the police.

Jeremy What is this debt you claim is owed by SDGA to DGU.

Is it the memberships Gordy returned to the individuals members? If so It their decisions if they join your club or not. it was not SDGA's responsibility as to what each person did with their refunded club memberships nor their right to directly transfer it to you.
Is it the funding of the course? It is my understanding that as soon as you provide the club with receipts for the overpriced baskets you purchased. They will release the funds. My suggestion is to release them to the Parks foundation not to the club directly. I would hate to see the funds be misappropriated.

Swing and a miss on the anchors though, It seems to me you as the new club don't deserve the all considerations extended to the SDGA for 12+ years of community outreach. Think of it like a ledger black numbers are credits, red are debits. The SDGA has plenty of black ink, DGU not so much. You may have earned some of the black ink but you can't take it with you.

Earn your way it's much more satisfying

[psychodwarf]

One additional condition should be considered.

Considering this is a public place each person member or not should be respectful of both the club and the library. The Library has rules of conduct and just because your in a public place does not give you the right to disrupt the meeting being held in one of it's rooms. If you do act up you will be asked to leave member or not. If you smell of alcohol or weed don't bother attending. If it gets to out of hand the library can call the police.

Jeremy What is this debt you claim is owed by SDGA to DGU.

Is it the memberships Gordy returned to the individuals members? If so It their decisions if they join your club or not. it was not SDGA's responsibility as to what each person did with their refunded club memberships nor their right to directly transfer it to you.
Is it the funding of the course? It is my understanding that as soon as you provide the club with receipts for the overpriced baskets you purchased. They will release the funds. My suggestion is to release them to the Parks foundation not to the club directly. I would hate to see the funds be misappropriated.

Swing and a miss on the anchors though, It seems to me you as the new club don't deserve the all considerations extended to the SDGA for 12+ years of community outreach. Think of it like a ledger black numbers are credits, red are debits. The SDGA has plenty of black ink, DGU not so much. You may have earned some of the black ink but you can't take it with you.

Earn your way it's much more satisfying

JUB ... you REALLY need to get out more .. i can see the HATE in your writing .. its not about the membership money ,JUB its about what is wrtten down on paper .The SDGA owes the Disc golf uprising money for baskets (it is written down on paper) and if i am correct the Parks Foundation has NOTHING to do with the SDGA giving up money they have said they would give to UPRISING for putting in baskets ..and Jub please explain WHY it has taken the SDGA 3 YEARS to put up PAID FOR tee pad signs ? I would think you have all the answers thats what you keep implying ??

[Yoduh]

One additional condition should be considered.

Considering this is a public place each person member or not should be respectful of both the club and the library. The Library has rules of conduct and just because your in a public place does not give you the right to disrupt the meeting being held in one of it's rooms. If you do act up you will be asked to leave member or not. If you smell of alcohol or weed don't bother attending. If it gets to out of hand the library can call the police.

Jeremy What is this debt you claim is owed by SDGA to DGU.

Is it the memberships Gordy returned to the individuals members? If so It their decisions if they join your club or not. it was not SDGA's responsibility as to what each person did with their refunded club memberships nor their right to directly transfer it to you.
Is it the funding of the course? It is my understanding that as soon as you provide the club with receipts for the overpriced baskets you purchased. They will release the funds. My suggestion is to release them to the Parks foundation not to the club directly. I would hate to see the funds be misappropriated.

Swing and a miss on the anchors though, It seems to me you as the new club don't deserve the all considerations extended to the SDGA for 12+ years of community outreach. Think of it like a ledger black numbers are credits, red are debits. The SDGA has plenty of black ink, DGU not so much. You may have earned some of the black ink but you can't take it with you.

Earn your way it's much more satisfying

Rules of conduct should be followed Jub. I whole heartedly agree! You should be a club leader. I don't think we've ever had a problem with the smelling thing but the being to drunk has been a real issue in the club. The library is a perfect place to help curtail that issue.

My post is not about moneys being returned for club members. It is about Article C. Talking to Jeff about the cost of the baskets @$455 a piece. He will be sending the bill to the SDGA ASAP. It will be nice to get this out of the way so we can start our next course building project!

There is a completely different set of Parks department employees that we in both clubs are working with. They have no black or red credit recollection whatsoever, but that was an amusing anecdote from a clueless party. The SDGA is happy that you aren't a board member or your comments would quite easily land them in hot water. Adding new unapproved pin placements may just be enough alone. We aren't dealing with the same people at all. There is a certain protocol that must be followed. Hopefully common sense when rushing in new pin placements can be used too..

Earning something Jub... You are a real piece of work buddy

[LJ Jubner]

Have you ever heard the term political capitol? Even if you haven't I know you understand its value! You seem to believe that because you want it and have the money the P/R will let you do it. For you it might be good having new contacts.You have already been given your hat once I doubt it will take very long before it happens again. Someday you will realize that by paying it forward you will get so much farther faster. The accolades from all the charities the SDGA has supported for many years now trumps your hand every time.

Here is one for you. If the SDGA where to fold and donate it's bank account to the Parks foundation (with the stipulation that is was for DG projects only) Who will be Dirty Harry? The Parks Dept? You? Don't you get it? Without the SDGA you would still be throwing at trees.

Is there a reason why the P/R are being sticklers? two reasons: one because you or Jeff most likely both pissed them off and more importantly because they can. Your point out the downriver anchors not being approved well they are a lot easier to explain then clearing fairways without an active MOU.

The grant from the SDGA is for $1800 not X number of baskets. It's not the SDGA's fault you shot you wad on something bright and shiny.

Jeremy, I am getting tired of you going after the club when you really mean Jaymie and Gordy well maybe bob too. Why don't you man up and admit it (at least to yourself) the truth that you are jealous of what you believe comes so easily for them. You claim to be this great teacher but you keep failing this lesson time and again.

Joe,
I can only offer that the course might change would be my best guess. Normally Tee signs are the last thing in.

[psychodwarf]

Have you ever heard the term political capitol? Even if you haven't I know you understand its value! You seem to believe that because you want it and have the money the P/R will let you do it. For you it might be good having new contacts.You have already been given your hat once I doubt it will take very long before it happens again. Someday you will realize that by paying it forward you will get so much farther faster. The accolades from all the charities the SDGA has supported for many years now trumps your hand every time.

Here is one for you. If the SDGA where to fold and donate it's bank account to the Parks foundation (with the stipulation that is was for DG projects only) Who will be Dirty Harry? The Parks Dept? You? Don't you get it? Without the SDGA you would still be throwing at trees.

Is there a reason why the P/R are being sticklers? two reasons: one because you or Jeff most likely both pissed them off and more importantly because they can. Your point out the downriver anchors not being approved well they are a lot easier to explain then clearing fairways without an active MOU.

The grant from the SDGA is for $1800 not X number of baskets. It's not the SDGA's fault you shot you wad on something bright and shiny.

Jeremy, I am getting tired of you going after the club when you really mean Jaymie and Gordy well maybe bob too. Why don't you man up and admit it (at least to yourself) the truth that you are jealous of what you believe comes so easily for them. You claim to be this great teacher but you keep failing this lesson time and again.

Joe,
I can only offer that the course might change would be my best guess. Normally Tee signs are the last thing in.

JUB you are so wrong !!! The SDGA has STOLEN money from people who PAID to have thier name/company name on tee signs 3 years ago.. The sdga HAS NOT been upfront with that . It does not take 3 years to make up tee signs nor alt pin placement ..The SDGA makes up rules as they go ,they DONT care about the players the land they play on it is all about HOW MUCH CAN WE MAKE OFF THE DISC GOLFERS . JUB i was a board member for a year,a volunteer groundskeeper for 3 years in that time i watched the SDGA demaned money from people to sponser tournys, demand a caterer to change his whole menu because Bob didnt like the bbq sauce ( B.T.W. The SDGA didnt even have to pay a dime for the caterer I PAID FOR THE WHOLE THING) AND after the tourny came up to me to ask me for money to vend at thier event ! When i had told them i am doing this for the players they got mad .. Also jub if i turned in recipts to you for pay back would YOU take 6 months to square up AND then only pay half of the bill ?

[Yoduh]

Have you ever heard the term political capitol? Even if you haven't I know you understand its value! You seem to believe that because you want it and have the money the P/R will let you do it. For you it might be good having new contacts.You have already been given your hat once I doubt it will take very long before it happens again. Someday you will realize that by paying it forward you will get so much farther faster. The accolades from all the charities the SDGA has supported for many years now trumps your hand every time.

Here is one for you. If the SDGA where to fold and donate it's bank account to the Parks foundation (with the stipulation that is was for DG projects only) Who will be Dirty Harry? The Parks Dept? You? Don't you get it? Without the SDGA you would still be throwing at trees.

Is there a reason why the P/R are being sticklers? two reasons: one because you or Jeff most likely both pissed them off and more importantly because they can. Your point out the downriver anchors not being approved well they are a lot easier to explain then clearing fairways without an active MOU.

The grant from the SDGA is for $1800 not X number of baskets. It's not the SDGA's fault you shot you wad on something bright and shiny.

Jeremy, I am getting tired of you going after the club when you really mean Jaymie and Gordy well maybe bob too. Why don't you man up and admit it (at least to yourself) the truth that you are jealous of what you believe comes so easily for them. You claim to be this great teacher but you keep failing this lesson time and again.

Joe,
I can only offer that the course might change would be my best guess. Normally Tee signs are the last thing in.

Clearly haven't a clue as to anything at all. Done responding to somebody from the other side of the state without one iota of knowledge. You're constant shooting off of the mouth from afar is asinine and obstinate. It would be nice to have one thread on this sight that was titled Jub shoots off at the mouth. It would include many many folks and many instances with tons of people from all over the northwest. Somehow Your lack of importance and your constant efforts to boost your importance has really gotten to your head. I suggest some meditation and some inward dialogue about how you really are important as long as you stick with things that you actually know and can directly effect with some positivity.

Tee signs are the last thing in at Downriver... Good call Jub
The grant is for 4 baskets up to $1,8000
There is still no MOU, it's in the works still but has nothing at all to do with the agreement between the clubs. I said in the last post that the bill hasn't actually been sent to the club. There was a miscommunication on our end. The new pin placements are not approved. They are
a) Poorly conceived
1. Move a pin 20 feet into trees with no route to the pin
2. This happens on several holes
3. Moved near the edge of an erosion area that we were already told wasn't a kosher place for a pin. Erosion is already picking up.
4. If I owned a private course and one of our city courses (closest to my property) was mismanaged it would directly improve turnout to my private course
c) approved by the club or the board? (I'm not sure one way or another)
d) against park department rules and regulations

[Yoduh]

You can't defend a group that is clearly violating the rules and putting our local courses in jeopardy. Plain and simple. Let noo amount of haze cloud this fact. Poor leadership could be very costly.

[Wobbly Bob]

Gentlemen, you are all off topic here. This thread is for notifying the public of times and dates that the SDGA will be meeting. Please take this discussion to a more appropriate thread.

Thanks, that being said, I found out from our Secretary that while we cannot solicit new memberships at our upcoming meeting on April 2, 2013, we can however renew memberships. The meeting at the Shadle Park Library is scheduled from 5:45 to 7:45pm. If you wish to renew your SDGA Membership I'll be at the Library to open the room at 5:15pm, I'll see you there.

[Simmeltron]

Gentlemen, you are all off topic here. This thread is for notifying the public of times and dates that the SDGA will be meeting. Please take this discussion to a more appropriate thread.

Thanks, that being said, I found out from our Secretary that while we cannot solicit new memberships at our upcoming meeting on April 2, 2013, we can however renew memberships. The meeting at the Shadle Park Library is scheduled from 5:45 to 7:45pm. If you wish to renew your SDGA Membership I'll be at the Library to open the room at 5:15pm, I'll see you there.

:kissflowers::kissflowers::kissflowers: Thank you Bob for being the voice of reason that we are clearly needing. I think this thread has mostly ran (and then some) its lifespan. So... yes... hope to see you all there April 2!!!!

[Yoduh]

Gentlemen, you are all off topic here. This thread is for notifying the public of times and dates that the SDGA will be meeting. Please take this discussion to a more appropriate thread.

Thanks, that being said, I found out from our Secretary that while we cannot solicit new memberships at our upcoming meeting on April 2, 2013, we can however renew memberships. The meeting at the Shadle Park Library is scheduled from 5:45 to 7:45pm. If you wish to renew your SDGA Membership I'll be at the Library to open the room at 5:15pm, I'll see you there.

That's an official answer to the discussion. If these words were written on a different page would you have had anything to say Robert? I realize just as many that have gotten involved in the past, that you and Gordy do what you want. No matter the city's position or the club member's. With that being said, as you were.. Please don't lose the course though, that would be worse than silly pin placements that don't have approval.