The Winter Flurry at Sumner Meadows - February 13

[Rideout]

Here is a link to some info on the event http://www.challengediscgolf.com/Challenge.aspx?challengeID=5&seasonID=8 .

We are currently doing a lot of survey work out on the course to make sure that everything will run smooth.

More info and maps will be rolling in soon.

Mike Rideout

[REDFIVE]

YEAHYAH!
I am partial to this one because I had run it the past few years. With Mike behind the wheel I am sure it is going to be better than anyone I had run. We are finalizing the courses and it is going to be a blast. The best news for this year is we are most likely going to have the course closed for us this year, as long as we get 70 players. Shouldn't be too difficult. 2 courses, carts, manicured fairways, good times.

[Rideout]

Here is the link to the flyer

http://home.comcast.net/~accuspeed/Flyers/winter%20flurry%20flyerr.pdf

[sillybizz]

So why is Intermediate being paid out "trophy only" ?

[mazza]

becuz much of the cash that will come in will be put to the use of the carts and greens fee's. heck i don't think there will be payouts for any divison

[Toby Puttzinski]

Actually, the flyer explains that $20 of each entry fee will go toward cart rental and greens fees(not including any other fees/overhead costs). Those in the intermediate division will be paying only $30, while advanced ($45) and pro ($60) will have paid in considerably more, and will obviously have payouts.
I imagine the trophies will be pretty nice, as Mike has a really good track record in my experience in regard to payouts/trophies.

TD Mike, why not charge $10 more for intermediate and have some pay-out in script? Wouldn't this help raise more funds?

[REDFIVE]

I am sure mike will clear this up officially.
With the players pack being the carts and greens fees at $20 a pop mike didn't want to make it too expensive for the intermediates. If you charge $40 for int and $45 for adv there is not much motivation for a top int player to move up or it gives an excuse for a decent adv player to move down. Mike will make it worth while. The experience of playing this type of course is what the event is really about.
$ Moo $

[REDFIVE]

We just put the final touches on the pro courses and they are pretty freakin' cool. The NW(front 9) course is a 13 hole par 53. The SE(back 9) course is a 13 hole par 51. Maps will be available soon making it easy to see OBs and hazards. The am courses will be mapped out soon also. The am courses will play a few strokes easier but the greens are very technical so they might not play all that much easier just shorter in some spots. I can't wait to get baskets out!
If you have a metal basket and have not been contacted by rideout and would like to let us use it please PM either myself or rideout. Thank you.

[sillybizz]

This sounds like fun, I'll probably show up.

[mazza]

ooo i'm there for sure...even if i gotta beg the wife for the money :kissflowers:

[REDFIVE]

The pro courses are pretty much done and they are going to be fun. I used google maps to get hole lengths so they are as accurate as I could get them, surely not perfect but pretty close for use as a reference. The maps are very easy to read and should go public as soon as I hear back from rideout. All ob lines and hazards are clearly visible and straight forward. As it stands now the NW course is a 13 hole par 52 at 8945ft. Average hole length is 688ft. The SE course is a 13 hole par 51 at 8568ft. Ave hole length is 659ft. Together the courses are a par 103 at 17,513ft. Ave. Hole length is 674ft. Average hole width is much much smaller. There is a great mix of holes for sure. The smallest hole is a 210ft shot to an islandish green while the longest is a 1271ft monster of a shot that gives you options off the tee and keeps you thinking all the way to a green that is tucked behing rolling mounds scattered with bunkers and just behind the ob green, and of course you must flirt with the ob cart path and water hazards as you get toward the basket. Needless to say I like the layout much more than any course we have designed in the past. Greens are very fair but still tricky with great touch and placement needed to avoid landing ob. The am course should be finalized this Tuesday and a map and lengths will be posted as well. I would expect the ave hole length to be closer to 4 or 4fifty possibly pushing 5. I have a map for reference but we need to make sure the tees are flat and playable. Good times!

[REDFIVE]

If the layout holds up the am courses look like this.
NW is a 13 hole par 50 at 6500ft ave hole length is 500.
SE is a 13 hole par 49 at 6404ft ave hole length is 493.
Together they are 26 holes par 99 at 12,904ft ave hole length is 496.
Maps coming soon.

[RonTheWhip]

Thanks Chris! I'm drooling at those distances, cant wait to play this one :)

[DMajor]

Yeah my arm is sore just looking at that

[REDFIVE]

If you throw 50 perfect 130ft shots you will finish even on the am NW course.
If you throw 49 perfect 131ft shots you will finish even on the am SE course.
If you throw 52 perfect 172ft shots you will finish even on the pro NW course.
If you throw 51 perfect 168ft shots you will finish even on the pro SE course.
Shouldn't get too sore from that, right?

[Bullseye]

If you throw 50 perfect 130ft shots you will finish even on the am NW course.
If you throw 49 perfect 131ft shots you will finish even on the am SE course.
If you throw 52 perfect 172ft shots you will finish even on the pro NW course.
If you throw 51 perfect 168ft shots you will finish even on the pro SE course.
Shouldn't get too sore from that, right?

Just tell me there will be no baskets sitting IN sand traps and I'm there.

[REDFIVE]

As a sanctioned singles event there will not be any baskets in sandtraps. Pansy!

[Ode]

will advanced play the pro courses?

[REDFIVE]

will advanced play the pro courses?

Probably not.

[Rideout]

Many of the tournaments I throw are geared in the direction of having intermediate, novice, recreational, and junior divisions playing for “trophy only” awards. I try to keep the cost of entering these divisions as low as possible to make it more fun for them to enter the event and be able to compete. I feel that it is more important to keep these entries low and not make the extra funds from the scrip in order to keep the personal costs for these players down.

A lot of new players are not PDGA, so if they are playing intermediate they are still getting charged $40. If I added $10 to the entry fee in order to raise more money, then these intermediate players will be paying $50 to compete in a one-day C-tier as an intermediate. That doesn’t sound attractive to a lot of new players that just want to go out and see what the tournament scene is all about.

Advanced divisions will play from the am pads. Remember, these am pads do not make these holes easy; they simply make the hole a little shorter. Almost all of the difficulty will be found in the pin’s position.

There will not be any baskets in sand traps. There are a few cases where a basket will be about twenty feet from a sand trap, ob green, or ob path. Chris had to have one hole that is a little extreme, so on the 13th hole of the Southeast course you will find the basket at the top of a mound that is well guarded in the front by a very close sand trap, huge ob green in front of that, and a path on the backside of the mound. Of course, this is after about 1000 feet of fairway.

Kyle Sutherland was out there with us today to speak up about some of the am pads. He was quite helpful and he seemed convinced that the shorter tee pads did not take away from the shot.

Mike

[Nathan]

This sounds like fun. Any chance you could pick a partner to be in your group and share a cart with for the first round?

[REDFIVE]

We finalized the am courses and double checked the pro courses. As soon as I hear back from rideout I will make the maps available. I am hoping to get distances for the am courses done tonight so everything will be mapped and measured. The am courses play shorter but they are still very technical. I am very happy with what we have come up with. The course doesn't have many trees but we used what we had very well. There are many hills and mounds up around the green and in fairways in some spots, we tried to use these to our advantage. I still. Can't wait to get baskets out!

[REDFIVE]

So here are the final total distances forthe courses.

PRO NW
Par 52 @ 9215ft
Ave hole length, 709ft
PRO SE
Par 50 @ 8497ft
Ave hole length, 654ft

AM NW
Par 47 @ 6472ft
Ave hole length, 498ft
AM SE
Par 46 @ 6419ft
Ave hole length, 494ft

The PRO NW plays 2743ft longer than the AM NW, with an extra 211ft per hole on average.
The PRO SE plays 2078ft longer than the AM SE, with an extra 160ft per hole on average.

MR. Rideout can I let the people see the masterpieces that are the maps?

[GettinBetter]

With those distances we should thank companies for discs like the Boss, Nuke, Halo, Katana, ect...

[REDFIVE]

Its kind of a pain but here are some links to the maps and descriptions. These may still be tweaked here and there before the tourney but this is whatwe are working with at this point.

Pro map.
http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/1809917:Photo:2048218?context=user
Pro descriptions
http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/1809917:Photo:2048217?context=user

Am map.
http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/1809917:Photo:2048219?context=user
Am descriptions.
http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/1809917:Photo:2048216?context=user

Enjoy!

[Rideout]

Chainbangerz


Chainbangerz is now on board in a huge way. They are sponsoring holes and kicking down some schwag for ctps.

Thank you Chainbangerz

www.chainbangerz.com

[KCrabtree]

Chainbangerz


Chainbangerz is now on board in a huge way. They are sponsoring holes and kicking down some schwag for ctps.

Thank you Chainbangerz

www.chainbangerz.com


Awesome!

[Sausage Fingers]

If you throw 50 perfect 130ft shots you will finish even on the am NW course.
If you throw 49 perfect 131ft shots you will finish even on the am SE course.
If you throw 52 perfect 172ft shots you will finish even on the pro NW course.
If you throw 51 perfect 168ft shots you will finish even on the pro SE course.
Shouldn't get too sore from that, right?

It's not the 13 172ft tee shots that worry me, it's the 13 172ft putts I'd have to make! Yeah, I'm really gonna go for it from over 150ft out with a few cases where a basket will be about twenty feet from a sand trap, ob green, or ob path. Chris had to have one hole that is a little extreme, so on the 13th hole of the Southeast course you will find the basket at the top of a mound that is well guarded in the front by a very close sand trap, huge ob green in front of that, and a path on the backside of the mound.

Great argument...NOT!:shocked:

Now while this may be a long arm course, how many newbies do you think you will get? Hell, I'd like to follow Ron the Whip around the course and video his playing these monster courses, but it would hurt this old guy.

It is fun as hell to play on a ball course with carts though...:cheerleader::trophy::cheerleader:

Maps are way cool.:rockon: Is there any way to zoom in on them?:pirate:

[Toby Puttzinski]

Thanks for the maps and the descriptions... looks like alot of fun! Maybe OB O'berto should jump on board with sponsorship, considering there's OB on every hole...

"Maps are way cool. Is there any way to zoom in on them?" Yes.

While having a long arm certainly helps a golfer on courses like these, there is alot of 'fairway' golf and course management to be done out there, especially with all of the ob's and bunkers.

[Sausage Fingers]

"Maps are way cool. Is there any way to zoom in on them?" Yes.

Thanks so much for the help there Puttinski!:posting::shooting::posting::shooting: ...:bricks:

[GettinBetter]

I have a feeling if you try and bomb off every tee-pad you are gonna be OB more than once.

[REDFIVE]

Intestin wrapped meat digits,
Eric is right, throwing as hard as you can as many times as needed will give you more opportunity to take shots. It is not as hard as it seems. As in most courses it is an advantage to throw far but accuracy is more important. With OB on every hole throwing 420 into a pond will lose a stroke, a disc, and a bit of sanity. The average par is near 4 per hole so max power isn't necessary.

zoom-right click on the map to save it and open it in picture viewer.

[Sausage Fingers]

zoom-right click on the map to save it and open it in picture viewer.

Thanks RedFive! It was annoying that when I clicked the link to "View Full Size" and the result was an even smaller picture than what was pictured on the main website...:bricks:

RedSix Standing by...:pirate:

[killa]

As someone who has seen the layouts for this year's courses, I can definitely say the Winter Flurry is going to be a fun challenge for players in all divisions, a unique treat (I'm thinking of the carts here), and a great tournament! Between the cart paths, bunkers, seasonal water and ball greens, you've got OB to contend with on every hole. Most tees and greens are strategically placed to create shaped fairways, and on several holes the 2nd or 3rd shot is the real tester.

In my honest opinion, these courses don't favor distance to any significant degree more than any other good, challenging course. Players who can throw 450+ feet might be tempted to unload, but unless they're good enough to shape that shot off the teepad and land in a fairway bounded with OB, their best option is going to be a more conservative, controlled shot. It's not as though this is 26 holes that are all wide open and between 400-500 feet, where every hole would be a potential birdie for big arms but a boring 3 for the rest of us... The emphasis at Sumner Meadows is on placement: weighing the risks and rewards to stay in bounds and set yourself up for the next shot.

Oh and Frankfurter Phalanges, after you follow that "view full size" link, you should be able to click on the map in the new window and have it magnify.

[REDFIVE]

The maps turned out pretty cool. There are rolling hills, nothing too crazy, on every hole that the maps don't give justice. They are an added characteristic that we don't normally see and make up for the lack of trees in some spots. After you putt out on SE13 the view from the hill is awesome with all the baskets, make note.

[sillybizz]

That's so awesome that Chainbangerz is helping you guys out, I talked to Adam and Keith a couple hours ago and they are really excited about this tournament. I think I'm going. :)

p.s. I also love you Chris. hehe

[Toby Puttzinski]

Chris is like disc golf... he's super-cool!
Those maps are like crack cocaine... I'm gonna go sign up, stare at the map, and peek out my Venetian blinds until it's tourney time...

Glad I could help Jordan-- I was 'Cheeched' and being jocular... so easy a caveman could do it. ;)



Chris, will the course be open for play at all before or after the tournament?
Also, I heard there will be a byop doubles tourney at Sumner Meadows later in the year... is that true? I hope so!!

[REDFIVE]

We are waiting on word to see what it will take to be able to get people out to check the course. Might be a cart rental to roll around, might be a couple few bucks to throw some discs to where baskets will be, migh not happen. We are also planning out doubles,might be Sunday the 14th, might be later. If we can't do it Sunday I will be running dubs at riverside as a bonus for traveling players. Still working out the details hope to know within the next couple days.

[Toby Puttzinski]

Right arm!

[Sausage Fingers]

Oh and Frankfurter Phalanges, after you follow that "view full size" link, you should be able to click on the map in the new window and have it magnify.

It doesn't open up in a new window, it just grays out the website behind and shows me the map a little smaller than the website's over the top with an X in the upper right corner and a Close box on the bottom right corner. When you click in the map itself it just closes...but thanks anyway Slang For Murderer!:pirate:

[sillybizz]

When is online registration opening up for this?

[Rideout]

Online reg should open early next week.

[sillybizz]

Online reg should open early next week.

Awesome, I'm looking forward to this event! :rockon:

[REDFIVE]

Doubles will be run at sumner meadows on Sunday February the 14th. We will be playing one round of 22 holes. Not sure what 22 will be played but they will be close to if not the same as the 26 played on saturday.

Starting February 1st people will be able to get out and see the course for the fee of one cart rental. Only if the course is not busy. I would recomend calling the course and speaking to Dave before you try and get out.
Info can be found at www.golfsumnermeadows.com

[Toby Puttzinski]

Sounds great... will there be any markings or baskets up on the 1st?

[REDFIVE]

Sounds great... will there be any markings or baskets up on the 1st?

I don't know that I will do it on the first but maybe a couple few days before the event I want to get some flags out. It isn't too hard to find your way around using the map. The tees will be the flattest spot near the tee marked on the map and the baskets will be near the arrows.

If anybody goes out to check the course please be respectful of the golfers that are out there, you are representing disc golf, be cool. Thanks.

I found some time today and played the nw course to the areas or objects near the pin positions. Stay in bounds and you should be ok. There are a couple few holes where your best shot is a mid off the tee and a driver to the pin, unless you want to be tough. Lots of decisions to be made, good times.

[Rideout]

Online registration is now open at www.northwestsignup.com

It is the only event currently available on the site.


I have also been informed that a representative for the Pierce County public golf courses might be out at Sumner Meadows during the event to see how the relationship between disc golfers using their courses might develop based on how it has developed there. This is kind of just a rumor right now, but it could have validity. It could mean big things or it could mean nothing.

[REDFIVE]

I spoke to Kilmer on Sunday and he said the pierce county golf people will be there. Hope it works out.

[Nathan]

I'm signed up and excited for this tournament! Crossing my fingers for decent weather.

[DMajor]

Disc golf on a ball golf course. The weekend after at Woodland. A week and a half later at the memorial. So much for the offseason. If you guys keep supplying me crack I will never be able to kick the habit. I guess I will just have to be broke and happy.

[sillybizz]

I was just thinking... If two people fit in a cart and we play in a group of four, then each player should only need to pay for half of a cart, right?

[REDFIVE]

I was just thinking... If two people fit in a cart and we play in a group of four, then each player should only need to pay for half of a cart, right?

The cart fees are per person and the price we are getting is much less than normal. from what i remember greens fees are about $22, and carts are $16 per person. That's a forty something % discount.

[sillybizz]

That's freaking awesome! Thanks for the break down there. That' really cool of the course to do this for us.

[REDFIVE]

We are definately getting hooked up.

[Rideout]

I will attempt to honor all requests for players that wish to play on someone’s card for the first round (as long as it doesn’t involve mixing divisions). For example, Nathan requested to have him and Kyle on the same card; this shouldn’t be a problem.

There is a lot of novelty that goes along with this event which makes it spendy. Because of this, I do want to ensure that it will be as fun as possible for the masses and worth the money. That being said, remember that this is a sanctioned event and PDGA rules will be enforced.

I will accept entries for every division. We will need four players to make a division. If your division doesn’t end up with four players, it will be your choice to change divisions or receive a cash refund.

Mike

[Joshua Olmsted]

I totally want to come play in this event, but i currently have no car. Is there anyone in the Tacoma area who could give me a ride, I can chip in for gas expenses.

[mazza]

hey josh i got ya dawg...hit me up and we can work out the details

[killa]

BUMP (up the jam - bump it up!)

[GettinBetter]

we definetely need more signed up soon if we are gonna have a chance to get the course to ourselves

[Joshua Olmsted]

We definitely need some more players to sign up! I just sent in my registration, this tournament should be a blast, how many chances do you get to play tournaments of ball golf courses, this is disc golf asserting its sheer awesomeness on the ye olde ball golf world. I've been able to play several ball golf/disc golf courses in the past and they both been really fun to play and a totally unique test of your game. Let's pack this place out!

[Bullseye]

We definitely need some more players to sign up! I just sent in my registration, this tournament should be a blast, how many chances do you get to play tournaments of ball golf courses, this is disc golf asserting its sheer awesomeness on the ye olde ball golf world. I've been able to play several ball golf/disc golf courses in the past and they both been really fun to play and a totally unique test of your game. Let's pack this place out!

Yeah... This place is a BLAST to play. I'm really looking forward to it.

[Darrin M]

I signed up yesterday. I with you Josh, when do you get to play on a ball golf course. This tourney sounds like Fun can't wait.

[REDFIVE]

The weather should be awesome and the courses are really fun. Looking forward to it again this year. Better get signed up.

[mazza]

i'm signed up i just gota pay up now...so i'll see u all there. is the course gonna be set up on friday for practice????

[GettinBetter]

any more details on the SUN. dubs?

[blang11]

Thanks Chris! I'm drooling at those distances, cant wait to play this one :)

My sentiments exactly! So stoked. I signed up as soon as I saw "13 holes, par 53". Get some!

[Rideout]

The course is officially closed for us on Saturday. Fantastic!!!!!


Online registration for this event will close at 8pm Wednesday evening.
http://www.northwestsignup.com/

You may still call me, Mike, to sign up at (253) 224-5491.

This is going to be an outstanding event, don’t miss it!!!

Chris will post more info on the Sunday dubs very soon.

Mike

[Rideout]

Here are the official pro and am maps and the official course specs.

[REDFIVE]

PRO- $80 per team
AM- $60 per team
INT- $45 per team

Greens fees and carts will be $20 per person taken out of the entry fee. I am planning to play a 26 hole layout, which will be the two courses played on saturday played as one course. AM and PRO pads, adv will play AM pads(move up). The course is open to ball golfers so we will be assigned tee times with the first time at 10:30. Please get on the list to make it easier. I will take names through this site, on saturday, or the morning of. Registration will open sunday morning at 8 until about 9:30. Players meeting will be at 10. I would like to send out the pros first followed by advanced and then int. If there are any questions please ask them. If anyone would like to step up and help feel free to volunteer. Should be awesome!

Thanks to all,
Chris Waugh

[mazza]

OMG....OMG...OMg.../drool.... god i wanna pull a leroy jenkins soooo bad :biggrin2:

[Toby Puttzinski]

Just signed up and I'm stoked for this one!! Reviewing the course will give me something to do while burning the midnight oil at work... thanks for all of the info.. You can add Aaron Holley to the pro division for Saturday.

[RonTheWhip]

You can plan for at least two Pro Teams on Sunday: Nate & Dion, and Kirk & Brice. All but Nate will be there Saturday as well! Can't wait to throw some bombs!!!

[DMajor]

You guys should get some video of sunday

[REDFIVE]

You guys should get some video of sunday

Anybody with a camera that isnt planning to play but wants to record either day could most likely get a cart for their services. PM if interested.

[Nathan]

14802 8th Street East, Sumner, WA 98390

Is this the correct address? I'm not familiar with the area so I want to make sure I go to the right place. Thanks.

[Rideout]

that is the correct address

[mazza]

i wanna say coming from 512. get onto 167. take the steward/8th st e. exit make a right off the ramp. and stay straight.. map quest tells me to go up tapps lake parkway. then make right off of park way then follow that road down to east valley hwy... now i know you can see the golf course from the road. and i think there is a driveway on the 8th st side of the course

[REDFIVE]

The course is off of 8th. Pretty straight forward from 167.

[DMajor]

Don't forget this is a proper golf course so collared shirts and no jeans at all times

[GettinBetter]

Don't forget this is a proper golf course so collared shirts and no jeans at all times

Will you pick my outfit for me?

[REDFIVE]

stoked

[Joshua Olmsted]

Don't forget this is a proper golf course so collared shirts and no jeans at all times

Whoa, this probably should have been clairified a while ago, what about dry-fit jerseys, where do athletic shorts fall?? I'll bring a collered shirt just in case, but I don't know if every one will think to.

P.S. ALSO SO STOKED!!!!

[mazza]

there is no way i'm gonna wear a collard shirt....nope not gonna happen...not in a million years....but i bring just in case:laughing:

[killa]

Don't forget this is a proper golf course so collared shirts and no jeans at all times

Dan, I'm surprised you forgot to mention that an argyle pattern must be visible somewhere between the ankles and shoulders, and minimum 2 pieces of gold jewelry (teeth count).

Also any Open player whose tee shot doesn't make it past the Am pad must play the remainder of that hole as a "dink-out."

[REDFIVE]

My shirt has no sleeves.

[GettinBetter]

Dion took the open with a great second round! Its nice to play on a ball course, I enjoyed myself!

[mazza]

i just wish i could have finished my 2nd round. o i had a blast(well besides losing my super roc in the water to the right of nw 13 green) the weather added a bit more of a challenge to the course.. even thou the course needed no extra help. but my high light of the day was my 450+ 360 drive. now just if i could get my super roc back.


god dang i will miss that disc:angel:


will pay cash for its return...white super roc witha red x on it

[REDFIVE]

Thanks mike!

[REDFIVE]

Doubles. Doubles. Doubles.

[REDFIVE]

The ratings for the event are skewed because it is as if the ams and pros played the same courses. Very inaccurate.

[GettinBetter]

The ratings for the event are skewed because it is as if the ams and pros played the same courses. Very inaccurate.

Yeah you could say that, you must really not like that 899 hangin beside your name. That will change soon though.

[Rideout]

ratings should be fixed

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9760&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Open

[REDFIVE]

Looks like Brice owes me $20.

[REDFIVE]

Yeah you could say that, you must really not like that 899 hangin beside your name. That will change soon though.

I would rather have the 899 because it would be dropped, now I'm stuck woth another 940 round. Loving inconsistant play.

[REDFIVE]

The conditions were much improved for sunday. Nate and dion dominated the 23 hole layout with a near perfect 71 (-21). Dion had an ace on the second island hole on the SE course. Good times. Thanks to the hoardes of folks that came out.

[GettinBetter]

I would rather have the 899 because it would be dropped, now I'm stuck woth another 940 round. Loving inconsistant play.

I know man, you tore it up the first round!

[mazza]

any one find a roc in the water lol.... holy shit -21... i could not throw that score even in my best dream.. great job guys

[RonTheWhip]

Great fun all weekend! Scott Papa showed up just in time to take a photo of the ace throw, so that was cool. Thanks Mike and Chris for making it happen this weekend, always one of my favorite events on the year!

[Sean Phillips]

Mike, you ran a great show. Thank you very much for making this happen. I already have my 3rd place trophy on my wall. It's my 1st open trophy. Awesome tourney.

I hope we behaved enough to come back next year.