Jump putts...

[General Scales]

So I've recently started utilizing the jump putt for straight putts outside 50 feet. How many people out there actually jump putt and at what distances?

Also, for those that do not jump putt, what do you think of jump putts? A couple of my buddies think that its cheap since you release before you cross over your marker but continue forward after your release. Think that it's a cheap thing to do. I do not.

Any thoughts?

[mazza]

So I've recently started utilizing the jump putt for straight putts outside 50 feet. How many people out there actually jump putt and at what distances?

Also, for those that do not jump putt, what do you think of jump putts? A couple of my buddies think that its cheap since you release before you cross over your marker but continue forward after your release. Think that it's a cheap thing to do. I do not.

Any thoughts?

outside the ring you are infact able to land in front of your disc/marker. personaly i've tried a jump putt or two. i feel i don't get enough of a push behind my disc for it fly into the basket(or even close). so to me its not my go to stance but if needed i can try it. but in the words of some famous person out there" if it feels good, then do it":cool2:

[ericedge]

Whenever a player has a shot in their bag that their buddies (or competitors) don't have, it's considered a cheap (or cheater) shot. If you've got a great roller or thumber that works like magic on a particular hole then people will say you're cheater for using it. We play a game with rules, there's a rulebook, so you should use whatever shot you've got that fits within the parameters of those rules. Want to jump putt? Just make sure that you've got a point of contact on the playing surface on the line of play behind you're marker until you release the disc and you're not touching the playing surface or supporting yourself with any object in front of you lie. Easy, right?

[olydiscgolf]

I love the jump putt! I'll jump from up to 100+ feet out. When I'm that far out, its more of a lay up putt than a run at the chains.

[emmarose]

I don't jump putt... but then, I'm only just learning to putt on baskets... I've tried it a bit on my practice basket at home with no one else around watching because I know I look like a baby orca trying to fly and throw a disc at the same time while also executing a half-ass pirouette... but I certainly don't think it's a cheater shot as long as you are doing it properly according to the rules and regulations... just like anything else...

[Joshua Olmsted]

I usually jump putt from right at 40' out to about 70'. But I have a fairly light jump putt on the hole, I usually don't risk going any farther than 15 past. Which is close to 100% for me. I generally find with a fairly pushy short range putt that once I get to 40 feet I'm using so much lob that the jump putt really is a higher percentage shot for me. At the same time I see countless new players lobbing 80' jump putts 20' by and driving themselves nuts making a three-putt a round.

[olydiscgolf]

The biggest problem I have and see other people doing while jump putting, is trying to jump then putt. What works for me is focusing on the putt itself, not the jump part. The jump is just the follow through.

[Ol' Bob]

I don't jump putt. But I'm more of a spin putter. Isn't the jump putt more for those who do the push putt?

[Tim]

I don't jump putt. But I'm more of a spin putter. Isn't the jump putt more for those who do the push putt?

Yes, you're correct, Bob. I'm a push putter, or pitch putter as I like to call it (a push putt can be another thing all together), and my comfort zone is similar to Josh's. I used to try to do big jump putts from way out, but I find if the distance is too long, I end up trying too hard and getting wild--often throwing some ugly high hyzer that has a good chance of flying by. Now when I'm outside my comfort zone, I like to throw a gentle spin putt at it and find I have much better accuracy, oftentimes hitting metal and not blowing by too much if I do miss.

But, damn, it does look cool to nail a huge jumper.

[snap7times]

It's all physics... jump putting gives the putter more monenteum to push the disc farther towards the basket. Professing this skill takes practice and anyone who says it's cheating just hasn't invested their own times into their own skills and that is their own dang problem. I put normal inside 40-50 feet but once I'm outside 50 feet, i use either the traditional jump putt form or the controversial Dave Feldberg style putt from 2008 that had so many people whining and grinding about his left foot being past the mini but off the ground; this form works for 40-60 feet and has gotten me at least 1 good putt a round most of the time... Like I said it's physics, it's almost impossible to spin or push a disc from 70 feet out accurately without extra monentum of the body going forward with the disc. It's the same concept when someone makes a huge drive off the tee and keeps going forward off the tee after throwing...

[DoubleDees]

your all dumb and dont know what your talking about. there is a jump putt and a spin putt, yes. There is also a jump spin and push.

Putt however you feel confortable. period

[Adam Schneider]

your all dumb and dont know what your talking about.
Well, when you put it like that... case closed. :slapface:

[snap7times]

your all dumb and dont know what your talking about. there is a jump putt and a spin putt, yes. There is also a jump spin and push.

Putt however you feel confortable. period

let me guess, you're one of those "jump, spin, snap, push, throw" kind of guy? pflltttt... gosh we are talking about jump putting, they all are under the same flippin catergory of jump putting, mr anal specific... :jumpspin:

[Joshua Olmsted]

Putt however you feel confortable. period

Clearly, the idea that one could receive putting advice from more advanced players, or or that one might reshape their putt even if it might feel uncomfortable at first, is wrong.:slapface:

[Ol' Bob]

Here's some putting advice from a much less advanced player: Practice your ass off and then practice some more.

I await your arguments.

[Matt B.]

your all dumb and dont know what your talking about. there is a jump putt and a spin putt, yes. There is also a jump spin and push.

Putt however you feel confortable. period

yor rite period,

[snap7times]

well, the comfortable argument is iffy... I used to putt with my finger on the rim but got inconsistent results, then our DDGA champ moved in with me and suggested i study the top pros and see what they all do in common, just about all of them do not have any fingers on the rim and all fingers are on the underside one way or another. At first when i tried this, it looked retarded and was horrible, but with a few hundred more putts, I understood the physics and anatomy behind the success of having all fingers on the underside, it severely reduces the wrist variable and increases monenteum and accuracy towards the basket... jump putts just add distance... so sometimes comfortable can be "wrong" and there could be a better way that fits your body but since it dosent feel right in the beginning, you might never get around to actually discovering the form that could break out your game to another level... since my change in putting grip, i think my average practice round scores have improved from 3-6 strokes per round. Being able to make putts confidently inside 30 feet and hitting more 35+ putts per round has really been fun...

[Parks]

Here's some putting advice from a much less advanced player: Practice your ass off and then practice some more.

I await your arguments.

Practicing bad habits just reinforces bad habits.

Work on a consistent stroke with minimal variables first, and then practice the hell out of it.

[The Ombudsman]

I have been playing this sport way longer than the stupid pdga has been making up rules. They have never had the courtesy to ask for my input. According to the rules as I play the sport, a jump putt is definitely 'illegal'. Even on a long fairway shot you will never see me following through past the point of my lie. I putt flat footed from 200' in. The jump putt is a great weapon. There is a lot to be said about having all of your weight moving toward the basket. I would like it better if the stupid pdga would get it right and outlaw following through past the lie. I guess I do hold myself to a 'higher standard', but it is just how I learned how to play the game. I do not call anyone who jump putts a cheater, and certainly have never heard anyone called a cheater for throwing a roller, Edge. Although I still get asked if the 80 mold in my bag is legal....

[bvdisc]

You don't follow through off a tee-box??

Sounds like you need to go out and work on your drives...:whistler:

[Ol' Bob]

Whatever form you use, practice will make it better. If you blow up your putting game and start over, then you practice it the new way. IMHO, practice is more about confidence than technique. When you're used to pounding in repeated putts, then your body just does it for you. When you're wondering if you're doing it right, you're probably lowering your percentages by a bunch. That said, I'm way behind on my own practice.

[The Ombudsman]

You don't follow through off a tee-box??

Sounds like you need to go out and work on your drives...:whistler:

You haven't seen me throw...

I follow through on the tee box. I have seen people get hurt going off of the front of tee boxes

[mazza]

You haven't seen me throw...

I follow through on the tee box. I have seen people get hurt going off of the front of tee boxes

i've been one of those people hurt going off the tee box. i came off the front of s.w 9 tee box out at steli. landed all my weight down on my right knee. and yes i'm still trin to recover from that. but i am much more carefull when i follow thru on my tee shots

[The Ombudsman]

You don't follow through off a tee-box??

Sounds like you need to go out and work on your drives...:whistler:

I doubt you could beat me in a distance contest

[ericedge]

You haven't seen me throw...

I follow through on the tee box. I have seen people get hurt going off of the front of tee boxes

Cheater!!

& BTW I've seen both of you throw and I think I'd put my money on bvd in the distance comp. Sorry budsman. Course I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time...

[RonTheWhip]

I'm curious as to the reason you dont follow through on fairway shots? Do you mean stepping through (as in letting the back leg plant in front of the lie after releasing the disc)? Please elaborate. Also, how long have you been playing disc golf, and in either case, I'd beat both of you in a distance comp :)

[REDFIVE]

I prefer the triple jump putt, I get more momentum toward the basket and look much more stylish when I wear my gold shoes.

[Matt B.]

I doubt you could beat me in a distance contest

http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=37127

VS.

http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=27905

I'll take the underwear guy.

[The Ombudsman]

I'm curious as to the reason you dont follow through on fairway shots? Do you mean stepping through (as in letting the back leg plant in front of the lie after releasing the disc)? Please elaborate. Also, how long have you been playing disc golf, and in either case, I'd beat both of you in a distance comp :)

I do mean stepping through the lie. I end my throws with the right foot behind the lie. I played my first round of disc golf in 1975 and Ultimate as well until my knee could no longer take it. Ultimate is where I learned to throw flat footed.
We had very strict disc golf rules that we modeled as closely to ball golf as we could. Our courses were par 72, but we were using Super Pros and if we could afford it, the Master. The holes we played as par 5's back then are easily par 3's now, technology being what it is now.
And yes, Deon, you would definitely kick my 50 year old butt in a distance challenge.
Our scores from 1975 are still recorded to this day on the flagpole at Ridgecrest Intermediate School

[The Ombudsman]

http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=37127

VS.

http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=27905

I'll take the underwear guy.
Interpret the stupid pdga's numbers any way you like.

[Parks]

I do mean stepping through the lie. I end my throws with the right foot behind the lie. I played my first round of disc golf in 1975 and Ultimate as well until my knee could no longer take it. Ultimate is where I learned to throw flat footed.


That is a very good way to injure yourself.

[RonTheWhip]

I do mean stepping through the lie. I end my throws with the right foot behind the lie. I played my first round of disc golf in 1975 and Ultimate as well until my knee could no longer take it. Ultimate is where I learned to throw flat footed.
We had very strict disc golf rules that we modeled as closely to ball golf as we could. Our courses were par 72, but we were using Super Pros and if we could afford it, the Master. The holes we played as par 5's back then are easily par 3's now, technology being what it is now.
And yes, Deon, you would definitely kick my 50 year old butt in a distance challenge.
Our scores from 1975 are still recorded to this day on the flagpole at Ridgecrest Intermediate School

Interesting. I'm still curious why you stand and deliver from the fairway, but not from the tee. I can understand this as a matter of preference (perhaps you feel more accurate), but as a matter of principle? A lie is a lie, whether its from a tee pad or a thirty five footer, the same rules apply. The only place its different is in the designated 10 meter circle.

Hypothethical question: Would you stand and deliver on a 200 foot hole? Would you stand and deliver on your second shot on a 1000 foot hole?

Oh, and I'd like to see the rules that you came up with. Just as a matter of viewing different perspectives on the sport.

I also started by playing Ultimate, for some reason, I don't throw flat footed...

[Toby Puttzinski]

Back to jump-putts.....
I would echo what Edge said regarding the rules. I believe that it seldom happens that a player leaves the ground, or steps beyond the point of contact prior to releasing the disc (during a jump-putt).

Perhaps there should be another term for 'walking' or 'step-through' putts, vs. jump-putts.

[Ol' Bob]

I bet that 10 meter rule was to avoid the slam dunk infecting disc golf.

Maybe they should change ball golf to where both feet should be behind the ball and the club face must not pass the tee??? That's just because I do it all flat footed. The sixth tee here and that second at Dabney don't bother me at all. I never was afraid of heights, but there are some tees where I wouldn't want to run off the end.

[The Ombudsman]

I never said I do not run up, but I do only use a two step approach. I just never step past my lie. One could call it principle but now it is ingrained as a habit. I often throw flat footed on the tee as well. And I use my Aviar for most fairway shots from 200' in and for tee shots up to about 275', unless I need some type of action on the disc. My longest putter ace is about 265' I find all it takes is a very subtle weight shift to get the disc a long way.
The rules we had were by no means perfect. One of our rules was you must be touching the exact point of lie when you release the disc. This allowed you to stretch towards the target on a putt, or reach up into a tree to retrieve a disc. As long as you had a hand on the spot where the disc was, you could throw. My buddy Killer who is 6'9" tall had a huge advantage here. All unreachable discs in trees were a one shot penalty. (how in god's name could they take away the 2 meter rule?!! That is pure sacrelige)
A disc on a roof incurred a two shot penalty. if you were on a roof, you had 3 options for relief. You could take the disc on the ground, either where it went on, or beneath the closest edge from where the disc ended up. The third option was to shoot from the roof at the nearest corner of the building from where the disc ended up.

Question:
Is it possible to jump putt without stepping past the lie, given the fact that the pdga requires a release point so close to the mark? Or, if the rule does ever change, would the jump putt become obsolete?

I am amazed that our scores are still on the flagpole after 35 years!! Don't they ever wash that thing?

[The Ombudsman]

I bet that 10 meter rule was to avoid the slam dunk infecting disc golf.

Maybe they should change ball golf to where both feet should be behind the ball and the club face must not pass the tee??? That's just because I do it all flat footed. The sixth tee here and that second at Dabney don't bother me at all. I never was afraid of heights, but there are some tees where I wouldn't want to run off the end.

In ball golf, you do not have to pick the ball up off of the ground to play it.
The 10 meter rule was invented because of Dan 'The Stork' Roddick

[Chuck Kennedy]

Ball golf doesn't allow you to tee it up on the fairway which would be similar to what would occur if stand & deliver ever became the dsic golf requirement for shots not from the tee pad.

[olydiscgolf]

Some people have such a technique that they don't need a run up, my buddy Schuler hurt his knee snowboarding and now is afraid of running up. He out drives me standing still all the time. Drives me nuts!

[Tim]

Yeah, just check out some of the Swedes and their throws. Kallstrom "throws far" (to say the least) and has zero follow through with his legs.

[sillybizz]

Some people have such a technique that they don't need a run up, my buddy Schuler hurt his knee snowboarding and now is afraid of running up. He out drives me standing still all the time. Drives me nuts!

Then you have guys like me who look like we could toss a large home appliance 300 feet, especially after our run ups and can't throw a disc that far. :headbang:

[olydiscgolf]

Then you have guys like me who look like we could toss a large home appliance 300 feet, especially after our run ups and can't throw a disc that far. :headbang:

Maybe you need to throw the "fridge" instead of a Boss!

[Ol' Bob]

PDGA approved home appliances would be going a little too far. They'd probably tell me I can't have that keg in there.