Meadow Ridge course or Highland course on 12/6

[LegoRules]

This is Jordan's secretary again helping him out, so please respond to the following poll.

For the December team golf match at Horning's Hideout which course do you prefer to play along with the canyon course?

Cindy :)

PS this poll is just for people who are on a team disc golf team.

[NWDiscer]

:chinscratch:

Since i have not made it out there yet. :slapface:

i will refrain from voting at this point...:whistler:


Being a disc sadist though..... i going to guess the Gold :bricks:

[jevon]

Shouldn't it be Meadow Ridge instead of Gold?

[LegoRules]

Shouldn't it be Meadow Ridge instead of Gold?



Did not realize they changed the name sorry. I don't know how to change that, but maybe one of the mods can do it.

Cindy :)

[Minordiety]

Shouldn't it be Meadow Ridge instead of Gold?

Yes, I believe it is Meadow ridge.

It'll take a serious amount of time to play the Meadow Ridge Layout.

[LegoRules]

Did not realize they changed the name sorry. I don't know how to change that, but maybe one of the mods can do it.

Cindy :)

Wow you mods ROCK :rockon: That was really quick.

Cindy :)

[Kevin Madrid]

Isn't the Highland course a pitch and putt?...Rockwood size? How can we give a handicap on this course? Didn't Jordan while picking courses say the Rockwood/Leverich were toooo small to play on?

Next question regarding the Meadow Ridge course...didn't Bob Horning say it will take 3-4 hours to play that course? If so do we even have enough light for both (canyon/meadow ridge)...oh yeah with everyone (Sat/Sun) there?

My 2 pennies for the discussion.

:cool2:

[Pizzel]

I am very much against using the Highlands course for TDG. The SSA would be incredibly low making it hard to separate the field by handicap. On the other hand, the Gold course will take a long, long, long, long time to play considering the amount of TDG participants rated below 850. How about playing the doubles matches on the Gold course and the singles matches on the Canyon course?

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I am very much against using the Highlands course for TDG. The SSA would be incredibly low making it hard to separate the field by handicap. On the other hand, the Gold course will take a long, long, long, long time to play considering the amount of TDG participants rated below 850. How about playing the doubles matches on the Gold course and the singles matches on the Canyon course?

I'm in agreement with Jason here! The short course it too short and the long course is too long. Doing singles on the Canyon and Dubs on the long course is a good solution. Especially since I would most likely forfeit a singles round on the big course. (I know my physical limitations)

Bob

[LegoRules]

I am very much against using the Highlands course for TDG. The SSA would be incredibly low making it hard to separate the field by handicap. On the other hand, the Gold course will take a long, long, long, long time to play considering the amount of TDG participants rated below 850. How about playing the doubles matches on the Gold course and the singles matches on the Canyon course?


Hey if it would work I like that idea :yay:

Cindy :)

[jevon]

If my math is correct that would almost fill up the Canyon Course with 16 cards, and have 8 cards of doubles on Meadow Ridge. Does that sound right?

[keith_shupp]

Does the Highland course have tee pad's I thought they were dirt. I agree there is no way we can make up strokes on the smaller course. I have not played the new course yet but from what I hear it's hard and you need spotters on a few holes. I think we will be fine what we should do is have Saturday teams play on one course and sunday teams play on the other then changes courses for the second round. We might have to take a shorter break for lunch like a 1/2 hour then hit the second round.

[What Ever]

No to short course. Played new course yesterday concrete was in. I liked it, long drive I would rather play the longer harder course.

[Sausage Fingers]

I am very much against using the Highlands course for TDG. The SSA would be incredibly low making it hard to separate the field by handicap. On the other hand, the Gold course will take a long, long, long, long time to play considering the amount of TDG participants rated below 850. How about playing the doubles matches on the Gold course and the singles matches on the Canyon course?

So say that we go with this option, how long do we wait for the 8 dubs cards to get done with the long course before we send out everybody for the afternoon singles? Will 2 players rated below 850 get around the long course that much faster than 1? An hour faster? I am thinking of 8 ratings points per stroke for the long course though...

We have an SSA chart for a reason. Just because we've only used the 9, 10 & 11 parts doesn't mean that we can't use the other parts. We just need a valid SSA for the Highland course. It may be that we use 14 or 15 ratings points per stroke on that course. We will still play plenty of long and hard courses this year, they all don't have to be monsters.

Kevin, I didn't say that Leverich was too short to be included, just that it couldn't hold a 10 team match due to the number of holes. Likewise Rockwood/Vance suffers from the same problem as Rooster Rock, you cannot play them as 18 hole courses. There are 18 holes at the Highland course and it can accommodate the match nicely.

Keith, the holes are short. A stand and deliver tee shot works for every hole I believe. If we play in bad weather then it really won't matter much which course we play, there will be enough mud for everybody's enjoyment.

I think that since we are playing on the shortest day of the TDG year we may need the highland course to get around the courses in daylight. I am leaning towards playing the Highland course. Please continue with your thoughts on the singles/doubles playing on different courses. How do you think the logistics will work for that? How can we make it work? I'd be willing to give it a try if we can get a good plan going.

Otherwise, maybe next year we can play Horning's early when we have DST to help us out.:pirate:

[Trozzle!!!]

I think with the shortest day of the year, playing the Highlands is not a bad idea at all. I do agree that a slightly higher ratings per stroke should be added. The new gold course is long and sick, would be a great TDG course, but on short daylight hours, I cant see it happening this year.

[jevon]

What if we start at 7am? :evilgrin:

EDIT: Nevermind. Looks like it will still be dark at 7!

Twi: 7:03am
Sunrise: 7:37am
Sunset: 4:28pm
Twi: 5:02pm
Moonrise: 9:54pm
Moonset: 11:18am

[Sausage Fingers]

What if we start at 7am? :evilgrin:

EDIT: Nevermind. Looks like it will still be dark at 7!

Twi: 7:03am
Sunrise: 7:37am
Sunset: 4:28pm
Twi: 5:02pm
Moonrise: 9:54pm
Moonset: 11:18am

But we could have Captains Set Line Ups at 7a and tee off as close to 7:30a as we can...:chinscratch:
:pirate:

[NWDiscer]

But we could have Captains Set Line Ups at 7a and tee off as close to 7:30a as we can...:chinscratch:
:pirate:


HELL make it 6:00 then the front 9 would be GLOW.........:whistler:

[NWDiscer]

Wait what about this?

Just do singles on the Long/Hard course start at 9:00 1 round each person thats all for the day .

7 total poss. points for the day??


if a team is missing some1 well then that's a forfeit point...

[Minordiety]

HELL make it 6:00 then the front 9 would be GLOW.........:whistler:


HEll yeah! Bring on the glow!:biggrin2:

[NWDiscer]

:cheerleader: followed by a TDG Pot Luck lunch and maybe random dubz on the short course? :rockon: :whistler::confused:;)

[Sausage Fingers]

Wait what about this?

Just do singles on the Long/Hard course start at 9:00 1 round each person thats all for the day .

7 total poss. points for the day??


if a team is missing some1 well then that's a forfeit point...

Now you are completely changing the TDG rules for this course. I don't mind the dubs/singles on different courses at once if we can work the logistics out ahead of time, but to completely change the way we compete just to get the new course in play is a bit too much for me.:pirate:

[NWDiscer]

Now you are completely changing the TDG rules for this course. I don't mind the dubs/singles on different courses at once if we can work the logistics out ahead of time, but to completely change the way we compete just to get the new course in play is a bit too much for me.:pirate:



just tossing out ideas to pull the whole thing off....:whistler: without causing to much drama and maybe making for a casual day of Discing and Quaffing with some Browni's thrown in for good measure......:seeya: :dancing::pirate:

[Bullseye]

So say that we go with this option, how long do we wait for the 8 dubs cards to get done with the long course before we send out everybody for the afternoon singles? Will 2 players rated below 850 get around the long course that much faster than 1? An hour faster? I am thinking of 8 ratings points per stroke for the long course though...

We have an SSA chart for a reason. Just because we've only used the 9, 10 & 11 parts doesn't mean that we can't use the other parts. We just need a valid SSA for the Highland course. It may be that we use 14 or 15 ratings points per stroke on that course. We will still play plenty of long and hard courses this year, they all don't have to be monsters.

Kevin, I didn't say that Leverich was too short to be included, just that it couldn't hold a 10 team match due to the number of holes. Likewise Rockwood/Vance suffers from the same problem as Rooster Rock, you cannot play them as 18 hole courses. There are 18 holes at the Highland course and it can accommodate the match nicely.

Keith, the holes are short. A stand and deliver tee shot works for every hole I believe. If we play in bad weather then it really won't matter much which course we play, there will be enough mud for everybody's enjoyment.

I think that since we are playing on the shortest day of the TDG year we may need the highland course to get around the courses in daylight. I am leaning towards playing the Highland course. Please continue with your thoughts on the singles/doubles playing on different courses. How do you think the logistics will work for that? How can we make it work? I'd be willing to give it a try if we can get a good plan going.

Otherwise, maybe next year we can play Horning's early when we have DST to help us out.:pirate:

I agree with Pinkal. While the Highlands course may be fun, it is not tourney worthy. Period.

[Sausage Fingers]

I agree with Pinkal. While the Highlands course may be fun, it is not tourney worthy. Period.

Good thing that we aren't throwing a tournament then huh?:pirate:

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated below 900 in favor of playing the new long course.

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated above 900 in favor of playing the Highland course.

The real question that I should be asking myself, is why did I think it would come out any different...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

[Flash]

I agree with Pinkal. While the Highlands course may be fun, it is not tourney worthy. Period.

But the Highlands course could be made better with OB lines and mandatory flight paths. Exclamation

[jevon]

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated below 900 in favor of playing the new long course.



I voted for the long course. I haven't even played it yet. I haven't played the short course either though. I just assumed that Hamforloins wouldn't have a chance to make up the strokes he'd have to give me if we played the short course.

[LegoRules]

Good thing that we aren't throwing a tournament then huh?:pirate:

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated below 900 in favor of playing the new long course.

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated above 900 in favor of playing the Highland course.

The real question that I should be asking myself, is why did I think it would come out any different...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

I am rated below 900, and I would prefer to play on the highland course as apposed to the Meadow Ridge course. I do liked Jason's idea though of playing the dubs on the Meadow Ridge course, but Jordan is right the Canyon course players would be waiting a long time for the other group on the Meadow course to get finished. I think the same thing will happen with the Canyon and Highland courses, but at least the overall day will be much shorter. Like Jordan said we are playing a lot of longer courses what is wrong with playing one really short one. Their are a lot of players that are rated below 800 even not all of us have big monster arms. I would think the hanicaps could be adjusted to accomedate the Highland course.

Cindy :)

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Maybe one our brilliant course designer type guys on here could redesign the Highlands course to play a bit harder? Play the bubs matches there!

T-1 to Bask. 3; T-4 to Bask. 18; T-17 to Bask. 4; T-5 to Bask. 6 ect. ect.

Just a thought!:pirate:

Bob

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated above 900 in favor of playing the Highland course.
Me, me, call on me! I'm rated 945 (inflated I know) and do not want to play the Gold (Meadow) course. It will take too long no matter what your rating is. Besides my Hoveround can't make it up and down those hills! Due to lack of daylight it's just not the right choice this time. Another advantage of playing the Canyon/Highland course combo is that our cars are close to both. No long walk to the Meadow (imagine starting on hole 8!).

I'll take my chances that the Highland course estimated SSA might be too low - I'll still beat Jevon. :shocked:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Maybe one our brilliant course designer type guys on here could redesign the Highlands course to play a bit harder? Play the bubs matches there!

T-1 to Bask. 3; T-4 to Bask. 18; T-17 to Bask. 4; T-5 to Bask. 6 ect. ect.

Just a thought!:pirate:

Bob

To expound a little:

We have sixteen teams and the Canyon Course would accomodate all singles matches. If we did as I mentioned above and played the doubles on a tweeked Highlands there would be no need for SSA. If we created a 9 hole layout with mando's and such we could create some pretty sic holes and make it fun. Play two rounds of 9 instead of 18?

Bob

[murray the brit]

right just to put this out there as this is on the shortest day off the year why don't we change it to Saturday teams play on Saturday and Sunday on Sunday and later make so we all play on a different weekend

[LegoRules]

right just to put this out there as this is on the shortest day off the year why don't we change it to Saturday teams play on Saturday and Sunday on Sunday and later make so we all play on a different weekend

I think because their is going to be a Stumptown tournament on Saturday at Horning's. Correct me if I am wrong.

Cindy :)

[Sausage Fingers]

right just to put this out there as this is on the shortest day off the year why don't we change it to Saturday teams play on Saturday and Sunday on Sunday and later make so we all play on a different weekend

There will not be a tourney there on that Saturday and I could play that Saturday if it works for Big Winds as they would be the other Sunday team to play that Saturday. But that's good ideas right there. Nice job Murray.:yay:

To expound a little:

We have sixteen teams and the Canyon Course would accomodate all singles matches. If we did as I mentioned above and played the doubles on a tweeked Highlands there would be no need for SSA. If we created a 9 hole layout with mando's and such we could create some pretty sic holes and make it fun. Play two rounds of 9 instead of 18?

Now here's another real good idea right here.:yay: And when you couple it with this idea right here:
But the Highlands course could be made better with OB lines and mandatory flight paths. Exclamation

Pretty soon you're talking some real options.:yay:
Assuming that this would be alright with Bob, who would want to set out the course design with OBs and make some maps for us all to play the Highlands course?:dancing:

Or we could split the days up, but I'm not sure that just running 8 teams/day will allow enough time to play the new course. It's hard to judge without having played the course.

Keep the good ideas flowing!:pirate:

[dooley]

Good thing that we aren't throwing a tournament then huh?:pirate:

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated below 900 in favor of playing the new long course.

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated above 900 in favor of playing the Highland course.

The real question that I should be asking myself, is why did I think it would come out any different...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

I have only played the original course (upside down truck rims) a few times and would love to play any other course there as well as that one....the fact we can almost all be there one time this tdg season is worth any sacrifice of personal preference as to course/tee time....If time is an issue I would vote for the the best way to get our golf in....but allow a little more time to lunch,QUAFFFF,carouse,mingle,relax and enjoy the day with our friends and discfam...just a thought as this will be the one day its possible....as a rookie at this tdg thing I would be happy with whatever Jordan and the captains decide:bowing:...gettin fired up just thinkin about it...sure would like to take them green boy packers for a little walk in them woods:shocked:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Pretty soon you're talking some real options.:yay:
Assuming that this would be alright with Bob, who would want to set out the course design with OBs and make some maps for us all to play the Highlands course?:dancing:



If someone wants to ok it with Bob Horning, I'd be willing to assist with flagging and mapping a safari course set up on the Highlands. I can make myself available on Sat. the 5th to do the flagging/marking on the course.

I agree with Dooley that this is a great opportunity to get everyone together for a really exciting day. Kumbaya anyone? :cheers:

Bob

[Amber]

Good thing that we aren't throwing a tournament then huh?:pirate:

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated below 900 in favor of playing the new long course.

I have yet to hear from a player who is rated above 900 in favor of playing the Highland course.

The real question that I should be asking myself, is why did I think it would come out any different...:chinscratch:

:pirate:

Under 900 right here. I love the Gold course. :rockon: Played it a couple times now. It does take a while though. SSA at 8 would be about right to have Crist and I come out about even. Again I LOVE this course even as one of your lowest rated team golfers. :trophy:

[Jet]

I'm for playing the Canyon and Highland (even modified) rather that the Meadows. -Due to time and mud.

It would be cool to have a glow round. What if we started latter in the day. Played on the Canyon course while light and played a glow round on the Highlands course at dusk/dark.


Currently 812 rated,
-Jet

[Bluedisc]

above 900 rated vote for modified highlands :seeya:

[keith_shupp]

Since stumptown is not having a event on saturday then we should go back to seperate days that way there is no problems and we will have plenty of time to play. It would be nice but why go through all the trouble of setting up a safari course when there is the new course all ready to go.

Jordan since you talk about going by the rules then it should be easy to say no to the highland course because they is no concrete tee pad's. I have heard you say that many of times so why change now and if you decide to change that rule then lets play north bonneville.:D

[Scotty B]

I think it shouldn't matter what courses we play on as long as all the teams play the same courses this just means that the capt. will have to use some strategy to pull out a victory. In closing nobody gets better avoiding a challenge bring on the big course everyone will just have to speed up play alittle to make it possible to finish in a timely matter.

[Bullseye]

... In closing nobody gets better avoiding a challenge bring on the big course everyone will just have to speed up play alittle to make it possible to finish in a timely matter.

:rockon: :yay: :cheerleader:

[Bluedisc]

bring on the big course everyone will just have to speed up play alittle to make it possible to finish in a timely matter.

Have you seen how slow some of these people play? :bricks:

[Bullseye]

Have you seen how slow some of these people play? :bricks:

That's no reason to make the rest of us play a pitch & putt golf course.

[jevon]

That's no reason to make the rest of us play a pitch & putt golf course.

That's no reason to make the rest of us play a gold course... :nahnah:

I've been looking at a map and I think this might work. First # is the tee and second is the basket. 9 holes played twice.

Here's a map. (http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_2.html)

2-3
18-16
17-4
5-6
7-8
9-10
11/12-13 not sure which tee would work better but think 12 would
14-15
16-18, put a mando to the left of 16's basket to keep it safe.

[Pizzel]

Isn't there a rule, official or unofficial, that all courses played for TDG need to have 18 tee pads and 18 baskets? I thought Jordan noted this long before the season started. I don't want to play the Highlands for TDG, but if we have to, lets just play existing course. I would also recommend that we play singles on the Highlands and doubles on the Canyon.

[keith_shupp]

That's no reason to make the rest of us play a pitch & putt golf course.

I like you Bullseye your right why should we play a pitch and put when Mr. Horning has worked hard building this new course. It's good for all am players to play a bigger course because you will only get better. Whats next when we get to milo are you going to play from the am tee's that wont help your game get better.:biggrin2:

:posting: Cant wait to hear what Jeff(sand bagger)Hemmerling has to say about this.

[Bullseye]

Isn't there a rule, official or unofficial, that all courses played for TDG need to have 18 tee pads and 18 baskets? I thought Jordan noted this long before the season started. I don't want to play the Highlands for TDG, but if we have to, lets just play existing course. I would also recommend that we play singles on the Highlands and doubles on the Canyon.

Do you mean Singles on the canyon and doubles on the big course?

[jevon]

Isn't there a rule, official or unofficial, that all courses played for TDG need to have 18 tee pads and 18 baskets?

There ARE 18 tee pads and 18 baskets... we would just be using 9 of each though. :biggrin2:

Why send out 16 cards on the Highlands course and only 8 cards on the Canyon course? THAT makes a lot of sense. :headbang:

[Kevin Madrid]

I like you Bullseye your right why should we play a pitch and put when Mr. Horning has worked hard building this new course. It's good for all am players to play a bigger course because you will only get better. Whats next when we get to milo are you going to play from the am tee's that wont help your game get better.:biggrin2:

:posting: Cant wait to hear what Jeff(sand bagger)Hemmerling has to say about this.

Keith...Hemmerling has...look at comment #30 on this thread. :posting:

I think Pinkel is right...Rooster only has 9 holes east and 9 holes west and Jordan :shooting::shooting: down.

I vote to split like normal and play Sat/Sun and we play the Canyon and Meadows.

my $.02 :cool2:

[Bullseye]

That's no reason to make the rest of us play a gold course... :nahnah:

I've been looking at a map and I think this might work. First # is the tee and second is the basket. 9 holes played twice.

Here's a map. (http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_2.html)

2-3
18-16
17-4
5-6
7-8
9-10
11/12-13 not sure which tee would work better but think 12 would
14-15
16-18, put a mando to the left of 16's basket to keep it safe.

Actually, I never said we should all play the good course... err... I mean the gold course. I would just rather not waste my time playing a pitch & putt course in a tourney. Seriously.... the longest hole on that course is 245 ft. Yawn!

PS: Yes, I do think Team Disc Golf is a series of tournaments Jordan.

[Scotty B]

I believe that if we play both courses it should even out this is a competition not a casual round of golf we don't slow down play at tourneys so why can't we use that same train of thought for TDG we all have some lower rated players and they are not all going to be on the same tee pad at the same time so everyone needs to step up and play like champions and rise to the challenge.

[jevon]

I think Pinkel is right...Rooster only has 9 holes east and 9 holes west and Jordan :shooting::shooting: down.


The reason Jordan shot it down is because it can't be played as 18. The only reason to modify Highlands is because if only doubles is on it then only 8 cards will be on it. Then with it modified it is no longer a "pitch and putt" so certain people won't feel like less of a person for playing it. :laughing:

I vote to split like normal and play Sat/Sun and we play the Canyon and Meadows.

How will splitting it gain us more daylight? Will groups magically play faster if there are only 8 teams per day? If it takes a group 3-4 hours to play it, we don't have time... period.

[jevon]

we don't slow down play at tourneys so why can't we use that same train of thought for TDG

Oh really? So why is it that a tourney round takes twice as long as a casual round?

[Pizzel]

The reason Jordan shot it down is because it can't be played as 18.

Rooster can be played as two 18s:

TDG @ Rooster
Morning Round
Singles play east course twice = 18 holes
Doubles play west course twice = 18 holes

Afternoon Round
Singles play west course twice = 18 holes
Doubles play east course twice = 18 holes

[keith_shupp]

Jevon by splitting the days we wont have as many players on the course and can spread out. When we are all together you will have groups on every hole almost and it takes one group to slow down 4 groups behind them and force everyone to play at that groups pace.

Concrete tee pads are the other problem with playing the Highland course or did Bob make them concrete also. Does anyone know if the Canyon course tee pads are concrete?.

Jordan where are you what do you say, should we split days?.

[jevon]

The Canyon course is getting concrete this week. Highlands does not have concrete at this point.

If we split days we can all play on the Canyon course without issue, just like we would any other course we play.

Everyone has to play to the slower players pace anyway. Are you going to tell someone they only get 15 minutes for lunch because they walk slower than you?

If it takes one group 3-4 hours to play a round, it will take 8 groups 3-4 hours to play a round. We just don't have the light in December to be able to play two rounds that take that long.

[D-Walk]

Also take into consideration the schedule and who is playing whom. If we split days are we going to make the 2 Sunday teams, Sassy, Frassy and Lassy and the Rednecks, actually play on a Saturday?

[LegoRules]

I think it shouldn't matter what courses we play on as long as all the teams play the same courses this just means that the capt. will have to use some strategy to pull out a victory. In closing nobody gets better avoiding a challenge bring on the big course everyone will just have to speed up play alittle to make it possible to finish in a timely matter.


I don't think anyone is necessarily avoiding the challenge of the Meadow Ridge course. I think it is more of a time issue. I played it for the first time today with a couple of friends, and it took us over 3 1/2 hours to complete it. I am now more convinced than ever that on that short day it will not be possible for two rounds on that course.

Cindy :)

[LegoRules]

The Canyon course is getting concrete this week. Highlands does not have concrete at this point.

If we split days we can all play on the Canyon course without issue, just like we would any other course we play.

Everyone has to play to the slower players pace anyway. Are you going to tell someone they only get 15 minutes for lunch because they walk slower than you?

If it takes one group 3-4 hours to play a round, it will take 8 groups 3-4 hours to play a round. We just don't have the light in December to be able to play two rounds that take that long.


I was there today, and yes indeed they were pouring them today. :rockon: Got to see the new and improved tee pad one, and it looked sweet. :yay: Can't freakin wait to throw from those.

Cindy :)

[Pizzel]

Sounds like there is some consensus that the combination of the Canyon and Highlands courses are not a good fit for TDG. It sounds like there is consensus that we do not have time to play the combination of the Canyon and Meadows courses. So, lets head out to Milo that weekend and play Hornings when we have more daylight.

[LegoRules]

Sounds like there is some consensus that the combination of the Canyon and Highlands courses are not a good fit for TDG. It sounds like there is consensus that we do not have time to play the combination of the Canyon and Meadows courses. So, lets head out to Milo that weekend and play Hornings when we have more daylight.

To be fair to all sides I sounds like there is some consensus too that it would be just fine to play the Canyon and Highland courses on the 6th. Just saying.

Cindy :)

[Darr]

If it takes one group 3-4 hours to play a round, it will take 8 groups 3-4 hours to play a round. We just don't have the light in December to be able to play two rounds that take that long.
Why don't we switch Horning's for Trojan and have the party on the last week of the regular season?? :trophy::trophy: I know Jordan would LOVE the chance of ice! :chinscratch:

[Pizzel]

To be fair to all sides I sounds like there is some consensus too that it would be just fine to play the Canyon and Highland courses on the 6th. Just saying.

Cindy :)
Besides a few posts supporting a Canyon and modified Highlands course combo, I have only read two posts specifically supporting a Canyon/Highlands combo.

I am sure most TDGers will roll with the punches on this and play whatever layout, but I would hate to see "pitch and putt" become a staple of TDG. TDG has become less competitive each year I have played and that makes me sad. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy hanging out with all the great people that play TDG, but that only goes so far in getting me out of bed on those cold, windy and wet winter mornings.

I apologize in advance if my posts on this matter seem harsh. That isn't my intent.

[Bullseye]

Besides a few posts supporting a Canyon and modified Highlands course combo, I have only read two posts specifically supporting a Canyon/Highlands combo.

I am sure most TDGers will roll with the punches on this and play whatever layout, but I would hate to see "pitch and putt" become a staple of TDG. TDG has become less competitive each year I have played and that makes me sad. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy hanging out with all the great people that play TDG, but that only goes so far in getting me out of bed on those cold, windy and wet winter mornings.

I apologize in advance if my posts on this matter seem harsh. That isn't my intent.

Pinkal was right on when he suggested we run the doubles over on the big course and the singles on the Canyon course. As a general rule doubles rounds play quicker. If we remind people how important speed of play is I'm sure the point will get across and we can get it done.

Is it not also true that the rule from the very beginning was: No concrete pads... No team golf? So that pretty means its either Canyon or Meadows or a combination of the two, right.

[keith_shupp]

The other option would be to play Saturday and Sunday on the canyon course only since they are pouring the tee pads. Dont get me wrong I would love to have all the teams play the same day but if time is the problem then having the teams play the weekend days were set for would be best and we have no reason to go through all this.

[LegoRules]

Besides a few posts supporting a Canyon and modified Highlands course combo, I have only read two posts specifically supporting a Canyon/Highlands combo.

I am sure most TDGers will roll with the punches on this and play whatever layout, but I would hate to see "pitch and putt" become a staple of TDG. TDG has become less competitive each year I have played and that makes me sad. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy hanging out with all the great people that play TDG, but that only goes so far in getting me out of bed on those cold, windy and wet winter mornings.

I apologize in advance if my posts on this matter seem harsh. That isn't my intent.

I was not specifically referring to the posts, but I was also taking into consideration the poll which right now as of this post is even at 17 to 17.

I would totally vote for option C playing the dubs on the Meadow Ridge course, but I still think the round on the Canyon course would finish well before the dubs then have to wait.

Cindy :)

[NWDiscer]

So, lets head out to Milo that weekend and play Hornings when we have more daylight.


it is going to be 1 of the last weekends to play the 36.........:(

[jevon]

I would hate to see "pitch and putt" become a staple of TDG.

The reason Bob and I went through the trouble of coming up with a MODIFIED layout for doubles on the Highlands course was so that it WOULDN'T be a "pitch and putt" course. The people not playing doubles don't even have to worry about it.

Since it's being such a hassle and since there isn't going to be a Stumptown tourney on the 5th I think we should just go back to the 2 day split.

[Carie CPink]

Oops! I don't know which courses were which when I voted (I've only been out there 3-4 times)...I would like to rescind my vote the Highlands...I thought that was the original course. Silly me.

[Scotty B]

It does not matter to me what we play but it does matter if we decide to split back to the 2 day scenario which seems like the logical answer. I would like to know when this will be decided so everyone involved can plan for it with our team members.

[Bluedisc]

:chinscratch: I hope Jordan figures out a way to get all three courses into the mix. That's what is so cool about the Horning's experience, after all. I think appropriately adjusted handicaps will resolve most of the issues people are complaining about here...:rolleyes2:

[Sausage Fingers]

At this time I am leaning towards playing all on Sunday. I am also keen to use the layout that has been set up for the Highlands course for the dubs. All of the rated singles rounds will be played on the Canyon Course. That course has been in the ground the longest and has all new concrete pads and improved basket design. This should be enough competition for everybody.

Only 6 of your 7 players can play each round (and you can defend the dubs with a Cali if you want). That means 1 or 2 player(s) could opt to play the new course while the rest of the team competes. Just play in small groups and get back quickly.

Now if after we play Horning's and we want to swap out a date later in the year for another trip to Horning's when we have more light then I'm game for that.

And now that we know that we only have 8 teams playing per day and Pizzel has come up with a way that we can play Rooster, I'd even be willing to play it that way. Also we are small enough that we could play 12 hole courses like Leverich and Lunchtime. But I don't see a way that we could play Rockwood/Vance like Pizzel's idea for Rooster because we always conflict with RWS. There is no reason to play any course more than once in TDG unless it's killer like Milo. But now we need to figure out the rest of the schedule changes as early as possible for planning purposes.:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

Whats next when we get to milo are you going to play from the am tee's

Actually we play a combination of AM and Pro tees at Milo. We've played any number of different layouts for TDG at that course...:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan since you talk about going by the rules then it should be easy to say no to the highland course because they is no concrete tee pad's. I have heard you say that many of times so why change now and if you decide to change that rule then lets play north bonneville.:D

Mostly because I've played the Highland course and haven't played N Bonny yet. Although everything that I've heard about it makes me want to go play it. Maybe one of the off TDG weekends coming up...:pirate:

[keith_shupp]

Mostly because I've played the Highland course and haven't played N Bonny yet. Although everything that I've heard about it makes me want to go play it. Maybe one of the off TDG weekends coming up...:pirate:

Let me know when you want to play and I will go up and play with you.:yay:

[keith_shupp]

You make a great dictator oh great one.:whistler:

[LegoRules]

You make a great dictator oh great one.:whistler:

Yay you are for sure my favorite dictator. :bowing:

Cindy :)

[Discmonster25455]

Bonny is the bomb!!:explode:

[Jet]

Mostly because I've played the Highland course and haven't played N Bonny yet. Although everything that I've heard about it makes me want to go play it. Maybe one of the off TDG weekends coming up...:pirate:
I'd like to play N Bonny. I've only played the old 9 layout. Let me know when you guys plan to play there.

[Bob Horning]

FWI: With about 4-6 players playing regular golf, not doubles, it takes about 1 hr for the Highlands, 1 3/4 hrs to play the Canyon, and about 3 hrs to play Meadow Ridge. If you were doing doubles on Meadow that would probably take about 2 1/2 hrs at most. I've gotten this from folks who have been playing. Hope it helps.

[Jonesy]

you guys have been shooting down my N Bonneville requests and you've never played there?!!! you played sirosis without tee pads in past years and its crap in comparison
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[Discmonster25455]

Watch how you speak of sweet ass Sorosis!!:shooting:

[Discmonster25455]

:kissflowers:

[Sam]

This should be done as a flop.
Saturday people play the new long course in the morning.
Sunday people play the first course in the morning.

Saturday people will take longer so Sunday people will finish and then get their break - ready to get on the longer course as soon as it is clear.
Sunday people start on the longer course as soon as they can for the afternoon round.
Saturday people finish the longer course and have their hour break. Then they play the first course.

Both groups should finish at the same time.

Don't know if this has been suggested but there it is. This is what we should do. I will not hear another word about it until it is decided so feel free to mock this suggestion to your heart's content. :cheers:

[Bullseye]

This should be done as a flop.
Saturday people play the new long course in the morning.
Sunday people play the first course in the morning.

Saturday people will take longer so Sunday people will finish and then get their break - ready to get on the longer course as soon as it is clear.
Sunday people start on the longer course as soon as they can for the afternoon round.
Saturday people finish the longer course and have their hour break. Then they play the first course.

Both groups should finish at the same time.

Don't know if this has been suggested but there it is. This is what we should do. I will not hear another word about it until it is decided so feel free to mock this suggestion to your heart's content. :cheers:

This makes too much sense. I'd be up for it. Of course you have to expect some backlash from Jev.. err... I mean... people who are afraid of the big course.

[Sam]

I said mock the suggestion, not mock jevon. Come on... the latter is so easy... :rolleyes2:
:laughing:

[Sausage Fingers]

This should be done as a flop.
Saturday people play the new long course in the morning.
Sunday people play the first course in the morning.

Saturday people will take longer so Sunday people will finish and then get their break - ready to get on the longer course as soon as it is clear.
Sunday people start on the longer course as soon as they can for the afternoon round.
Saturday people finish the longer course and have their hour break. Then they play the first course.

Both groups should finish at the same time.

Don't know if this has been suggested but there it is. This is what we should do. I will not hear another word about it until it is decided so feel free to mock this suggestion to your heart's content. :cheers:

I do not think that we can get everybody around the big course in a reasonable amount of time due to weather and daylight. Sure we can all get there in the dark, fill out all of the forms in the dark play our asses off and still finish in the dark.

It is hard enough to play well in the winter weather without adding darkness to the mix. If we want to play the new course for TDG we need to come back to this course when there is more light in the day. If we go there as scheduled and get our rounds of golf in before darkness using the singles on the Canyon course and the dubs on the 9-hole extended Highland course then we can talk about replacing one of the Jan-Feb matches that double up another course with a trip out to Horning's instead. If we use Horning's for a 2nd time in February we gain over an hour of daylight.

December 6th 2009: Sunrise @ 7:36a; Sunset @ 4:28p: We would need to start no later than 12pm to get around the big course in the daylight.
February 13-14th 2010: Sunrise 7:17a; Sunset @ 5:34p: That should be plenty of time to get around the big course.

Or we could swap out the Horning's date right now and play a shorter course in December. But if we play Horning's in December we do not have enough time to get everybody around the course in daylight.

We could use the new course for the dubs and I'll use a horn to call everybody in when the last singles group gets done. You'll just play as many holes as the time will allow and we'll prorate the handicaps by the number of holes that you played...:chinscratch:

PS And you'd think that the owner of the site would at least read the previous posts in this thread where we have been discussing this in depth and not just post what HE wants to have happen...:pirate:

[Bullseye]

I do not think that we can get everybody around the big course in a reasonable amount of time due to weather and daylight. Sure we can all get there in the dark, fill out all of the forms in the dark play our asses off and still finish in the dark.

It is hard enough to play well in the winter weather without adding darkness to the mix. If we want to play the new course for TDG we need to come back to this course when there is more light in the day. If we go there as scheduled and get our rounds of golf in before darkness using the singles on the Canyon course and the dubs on the 9-hole extended Highland course then we can talk about replacing one of the Jan-Feb matches that double up another course with a trip out to Horning's instead. If we use Horning's for a 2nd time in February we gain over an hour of daylight.

December 6th 2009: Sunrise @ 7:36a; Sunset @ 4:28p: We would need to start no later than 12pm to get around the big course in the daylight.
February 13-14th 2010: Sunrise 7:17a; Sunset @ 5:34p: That should be plenty of time to get around the big course.

Or we could swap out the Horning's date right now and play a shorter course in December. But if we play Horning's in December we do not have enough time to get everybody around the course in daylight.

We could use the new course for the dubs and I'll use a horn to call everybody in when the last singles group gets done. You'll just play as many holes as the time will allow and we'll prorate the handicaps by the number of holes that you played...:chinscratch:

PS And you'd think that the owner of the site would at least read the previous posts in this thread where we have been discussing this in depth and not just post what HE wants to have happen...:pirate:


Jordan,

I was out there two weeks ago and we started two foursomes playing doubles at 2:30pm and we finished well before dark. The only way people can take over 4.5 hours to play the big course is if they are either playing in a herd, or if they are just dragging their asses.

The other thing you could do is FORCE all teams to have their two highest rated players play doubles on the big course. I'd be willing to bet the rounds don't take more than 3.5-4 hrs max.

Personally, I'd rather NOT play Horning's than settle for less than the decent courses they have to offer.

Jeff

[Sam]

I think it can be done easily, Jordan. Here's how:

Long course start at 8:30. Let's say they take 4 hours to play. I think it would be 3 - maybe 3.5 - but let's say 4. They finish at 12:30. Second round on long course starts at 12:30 and finishes at 4:30.

Don't see what the issue with this is...

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan,

I was out there two weeks ago and we started two foursomes playing doubles at 2:30pm and we finished well before dark. The only way people can take over 4.5 hours to play the big course is if they are either playing in a herd, or if they are just dragging their asses.

The other thing you could do is FORCE all teams to have their two highest rated players play doubles on the big course. I'd be willing to bet the rounds don't take more than 3.5-4 hrs max.

Personally, I'd rather NOT play Horning's than settle for less than the decent courses they have to offer.

Jeff

Sure you finished well before dark SUNSET WAS AT 6:04PM 2 weeks ago!!!

Is Daylight Savings THAT hard of a concept to grasp?:headbang:

And I'm willing to bet that your 'foursomes' weren't comprised of players with ratings all below 850 either! Maybe you have TDG confused with the USDGC?

I am not gearing this competition towards the top tier DG players, I am trying to make a competition that works for ALL levels of DG skill. If that were the case we'd play every match without ANY handicaps. That was the way this whole thing was started by Rolland, only he made the rules such that everything favored the Open Master player. Maybe someone else can run that kind of a TDG league for next year...:pirate:

PS:
The other thing you could do is FORCE all teams to have their two highest rated players play doubles on the big course.
Sure, and what happens when they DON'T HAVE any high rated players on their team?!?! Besides, here you are complaining about being 'forced' to play the 'lesser' course for dubs but are right there to suggest that we force other people so that you can have your way...

[jevon]

Jeff - If you played it two weeks ago and started at 2:30 and finished before dark then good for you. Since then we have changed our clocks and every day we lose another minute or so of light at the end of the day.

Sam - Sunset is at 4:30. If you think it is still light enough to throw a disc at 4:25 you are crazy. I'm thinking 4:00 would be the latest you have before it is too dark to play, especially in the woods.

Sam - It's no fun to mock when you invite it. :nahnah:

Today's sunset is at 4:43. Go out to a park at 4 and see how long you can throw and still see your disc.

[jevon]

If anyone would like to join us, OTH Bob and I will be out at Horning's on 11/25. It's the day before Thanksgiving and my birthday so I am taking the day off. We can see how long it takes for some lesser skilled players to play the long course in doubles format. We will also be testing out the modified 9 Highlands course. We will probably also get a round in on the Canyon course. Bring your dolla dolla bills yo so I can win them off you.

EDIT: We decided to postpone until Sunday the 29th in order to partake in the Grand Opening festivities and to save $3.

[Scott]

If anyone would like to join us, OTH Bob and I will be out at Horning's on 11/25. It's the day before Thanksgiving and my birthday so I am taking the day off. We can see how long it takes for some lesser skilled players to play the long course in doubles format. We will also be testing out the modified 9 Highlands course. We will probably also get a round in on the Canyon course. Bring your dolla dolla bills yo so I can win them off you.

I might be down with that. Can't help you with the "lesser skilled player" part, though. :shooting::laughing:

[Pizzel]

Ah, I see the discussion has devolved into the old "Am vs. Pro" argument. I will jump back into the discussion when, if ever, it returns to something more constructive. I was hoping to start a discussion on the merits of using SSA to pick courses that would provide the best experience for TDG as a whole........

[Bullseye]

Sure you finished well before dark SUNSET WAS AT 6:04PM 2 weeks ago!!!

Is Daylight Savings THAT hard of a concept to grasp?:headbang:

And I'm willing to bet that your 'foursomes' weren't comprised of players with ratings all below 850 either! Maybe you have TDG confused with the USDGC?

I am not gearing this competition towards the top tier DG players, I am trying to make a competition that works for ALL levels of DG skill. If that were the case we'd play every match without ANY handicaps. That was the way this whole thing was started by Rolland, only he made the rules such that everything favored the Open Master player. Maybe someone else can run that kind of a TDG league for next year...:pirate:

PS:

Sure, and what happens when they DON'T HAVE any high rated players on their team?!?! Besides, here you are complaining about being 'forced' to play the 'lesser' course for dubs but are right there to suggest that we force other people so that you can have your way...

First off... Yes, I can grasp :slapface: daylight savings time, thank you very much. :headbang:

Secondly... We played the round in question AFTER THE TIME CHANGE and sunset was NOT at 6:04pm it was at 4:58pm. So we finished with time to spare because we did not waste time.

Thirdly... As for your implying that we had two cards of pros, the average rating for our 2 groups was right around 925. Meaning there were some above 900 and some below. IE: A well balanced group.

Lastly... just because you are not gearing TDG for the "top tier" players, does that mean you should dumb it down by using a pitch and putt course? By that logic, you might as well use Orchard then, eh? Whatever, I'm done arguing... just keep us off the Highland course.

[Sam]

I am stunned that my brilliant idea has been shot down. Is it that we don't want this to work out and are just trying to be difficult?

This isn't rocket surgery, folks. My suggestion would work and should be used for TDG on 12/6.

:)

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Ok, I'll jump back in here! :whistler:I am OLD and I am SLOW, and there is no getting around it. :biggrin2:I have no desire to play the LONG course. I cannot hurry on a course like that and I will for sure slow things down. :pirate:Time seems to be the biggest issue we have. Jevon and I came up with a modified layout on the short course to hopefully make it challenging enough for everyone. (even Jeff) :wink2:Another thought however is to maybe look into a modified long course? :shocked:I haven't played it so I don't know how it would work but is it possible to shorten it somehow to make it play faster? :confused:This is just a thought to help make things work out for all. :cop:

Team Disc Golf = Fun, Competition, Comraderie, Fun for the winter months. Lets not make it a bitch fest. :nono:

Now back to bashing Jevon! :shooting:

Bob

[Sam]

Here's a hint...

If you have 7 people on your team, 1 person will not have to play the big course.

Really. My idea is superior. Just accept it and let's do that and get back to doing what we really love... bashing Jevon. :)

[Bullseye]

Ok, I'll jump back in here! :whistler:I am OLD and I am SLOW, and there is no getting around it. :biggrin2:I have no desire to play the LONG course. I cannot hurry on a course like that and I will for sure slow things down. :pirate:Time seems to be the biggest issue we have. Jevon and I came up with a modified layout on the short course to hopefully make it challenging enough for everyone. (even Jeff) :wink2:Another thought however is to maybe look into a modified long course? :shocked:I haven't played it so I don't know how it would work but is it possible to shorten it somehow to make it play faster? :confused:This is just a thought to help make things work out for all. :cop:

Team Disc Golf = Fun, Competition, Comraderie, Fun for the winter months. Lets not make it a bitch fest. :nono:

Now back to bashing Jevon! :shooting:

Bob

Could you not, simply sit out the round played on the big course? I know I sat out the second round at Dabney. Not that I am saying you should, just that there are other options.

[Sam]

I still see that we are missing two things...

1. Total agreement with my idea.

2. Further bashing on Jevon.

Come on, people. Stick to the agenda!

[DanD]

Since when did TDG become a democracy? Jordan, sack up and make a call, we'll live with it either way and you know Keith will probably whine regardless of your decision, he can't help it, comes wit da pussy.

[Trozzle!!!]

Could you not, simply sit out the round played on the big course? I know I sat out the second round at Dabney. Not that I am saying you should, just that there are other options.


We only had 6 people at Dabney, and only having 6 people at Hornings, no one could sit out a round. The option of just having Bob sit out the round on the big course wont be an option if all 7 cant make it. An we all know not every team has all 7 there every event.

[rob smith]

simple, go with Jordan 1st idea
canyon =singles
meadow ridge =doubles
enough said!
move along nothing to see hear!
and that also means you sam

[Sausage Fingers]

Whatever, I'm done arguing... just keep us off the Highland course.

Then don't play dubs and you won't have to worry about it...:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

First off... Yes, I can grasp :slapface: daylight savings time, thank you very much. :headbang:

Secondly... We played the round in question AFTER THE TIME CHANGE and sunset was NOT at 6:04pm it was at 4:58pm.

Either you don't get Daylight Savings time or you can't count 2 weeks the way the rest of us do. Standard time started on Nov 1st this year. It is currently Nov 12th. Something is wrong with one of your statements.:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

I still see that we are missing two things...

1. Total agreement with my idea.

2. Further bashing on Jevon.

Come on, people. Stick to the agenda!

Isn't there some OTHER pot you can stir? Isn't Brian posting on a thread somewhere and you need to go bash him?

We are a hair from me adding Leverich & Lunchtime to the schedule...:angry:

Pizzle, please enlighten me on your thoughts re using course SSA to pick courses...:pirate:

[Darr]

right just to put this out there as this is on the shortest day off the year why don't we change it to Saturday teams play on Saturday and Sunday on Sunday and later make so we all play on a different weekend
There will not be a tourney there on that Saturday and I could play that Saturday if it works for Big Winds as they would be the other Sunday team to play that Saturday. But that's good ideas right there. Nice job Murray.:yay:


We are a hair from me adding Leverich & Lunchtime to the schedule...:angry:


Considering the logistics :cool2::cheers: of TDG versus two vastly contrasting courses. I think the best idea is Murray's. All 8 teams could use the Canyon course for singles and dubs, with the new concrete tee pads.
I'm sure the Big Winds wouldn't mind.

[Discmonster25455]

At this time I am leaning towards playing all on Sunday. I am also keen to use the layout that has been set up for the Highlands course for the dubs. All of the rated singles rounds will be played on the Canyon Course. That course has been in the ground the longest and has all new concrete pads and improved basket design. This should be enough competition for everybody.

Jordan Rules!!:bowing:

[Bullseye]

Either you don't get Daylight Savings time or you can't count 2 weeks the way the rest of us do. Standard time started on Nov 1st this year. It is currently Nov 12th. Something is wrong with one of your statements.:pirate:

Jordan,

I said two weeks ago. I didn't realize you were going to try to break this down to the fuggin hour, but I'll go ahead and make it perfectly clear so even you can "grasp" it.

WE PLAYED ON NOVEMBER 1st!!!!!

There, is that better?

Whatever.

[Sausage Fingers]

Jordan,

I said two weeks ago. I didn't realize you were going to try to break this down to the fuggin hour, but I'll go ahead and make it perfectly clear so even you can "grasp" it.

WE PLAYED ON NOVEMBER 1st!!!!!

There, is that better?

Whatever.

Well that clears up that misunderstanding...:pirate:

[Bullseye]

Well that clears up that misunderstanding...:pirate:

Peace!

[kel]

Jordan,

I said two weeks ago. I didn't realize you were going to try to break this down to the fuggin hour, but I'll go ahead and make it perfectly clear so even you can "grasp" it.

WE PLAYED ON NOVEMBER 1st!!!!!

There, is that better?

Whatever.

If it makes you feel better Jordan, time-change or no . . . he got his a$$ kicked that day!

[jevon]

If it makes you feel better Jordan, time-change or no . . . he got his a$$ kicked that day!

Puts a smile on my face! :yay:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Puts a smile on my face! :yay:

OH! :shocked:I thought you had bent over again. :nahnah:

Bob

[jevon]

I might be down with that. Can't help you with the "lesser skilled player" part, though. :shooting::laughing:

If you can make it just be sure to warn us if you're bringing Matthew. Bob will probably end up in the fetal position in his truck if he sees him.

[jevon]

I might be down with that. Can't help you with the "lesser skilled player" part, though. :shooting::laughing:

We decided to postpone until Sunday in order to partake in the Grand Opening gala and to save $3.