The Katana?

[Bruce]

Anyone buy one? I did, but that is to fill my own selfish need of a flippy high speed roller out of the box. Stoked to see it next week when it arrives (hopefully)!

[REDFIVE]

I don't know about this one. I heard about it a while ago and didn't get very excited. A high speed roller? I wasn't a fan of the monarch and don't know what will happen to a high speed disc while rolling, seems like it might be very hard to control. I will be interested to hear about it though.

[Sean Phillips]

katana will be a good disc for peeps that wanna throw far without throwing hard. I'm a wimp, so the katana sounds like it would be nice. Throw it firm and watch it soar 400+.

Probably wouldn't want it as a roller. I'll stick to my valk and eagle for rolling

[Brian]

I have 6 of them on order. I am getting the following:

apan Open R-Pro Skeeter
Color
Red
JO-SK-Red 1 $12.95


Samurai Pop-Top Pro Boss
Color
Smoke
JO-SMRI-PBO-Smoke 1 $12.95


Samurai Pop-Top Pro Boss
Color
Black
JO-SMRI-PBO-Black 1 $12.95


Japan Open 08 Star Rancho Roc Blems JO-ST-RCROC-X 1 $12.00


First Run Japan Open Champion Katana
Disc Weight
170-172 grams
Color
Red
JO-CH-KA-Red-170-172 1 $25.00


First Run Japan Open Champion Katana
Disc Weight
173-175 grams
Color
Transitional
JO-CH-KA-Transitional-173-175 1 $25.00


First Run Japan Open Champion Katana Blems
Disc Weight
170-172 grams
JO-CH-KA-XX-170-172 1 $18.00


First Run Japan Open Pro Katana
Color
Red
Disc Weight
170-172 grams
JO-PR-KA-Red-170-172 1 $15.99


First Run Japan Open R-Pro Katana
Color
White
Disc Weight
160-165 grams
JO-RPR-KA-White-160-164 1 $15.99


First Run Japan Open R-Pro Katana
Color
Orange
Disc Weight
160-165 grams
JO-RPR-KA-Orange-160-164 1 $15.99


Subtotal $166.82
Shipping & Handling $10.80
Grand Total $177.62

This should be a fun group of discs to try out. I should get them in about 1.5-2 weeks.

[maynard]

Got my pro katana yesterday. This thing has a very sleek profile and being a old school disc golfer who learned how to throw with hyzer this disc rocks! Very fast and very far... I have two more champion proto's on the way.

[Bruce]

Got my champ katana in the mail today, I need more reviews so I know what to expect tomorrow!

[sillybizz]

I'm so sick and tired of "speed 13" discs, what a joke.

[REDFIVE]

I'm so sick and tired of "speed 13" discs, what a joke.

Why?

[Adam Schneider]

Why?
I'm guessing 'cause 99% of disc golfers shouldn't be throwing them, but they get all this hype, so people end up throwing discs that aren't really right for them.

[sillybizz]

Why?

Most likely because I can't throw them, hehe, maybe one day I'll learn how to throw one of these pieces of plastic. :laughing:

To me it just seems like anything past the Destroyer/Force or even Wraith/Surge for that matter just isn't worth the thirty feet of extra distance for the added chance of throwing it off online. For me a Leopard/Valkyrie/Avenger SS is only a small lost in distance but I can keep it in the fairway and not lose strokes, then again I don't have the arm or accuracy that you do buddy. :confused::pullhair: IF I could throw a Boss fifty to a hundred feet past my fairway drivers I might use one but usually they are shorter and offline most of the time.

The other thing I dislike about the "speed 13" craze is newbies get involved and start throwing Bosses and Grooves when they haven't learned just to throw a normal disc, and they are trying to bomb a Boss out there and it's going 200 feet when the only people that should be throwing these discs are people than can huck it five hundred feet or so, I would 90-95% of all disc golfers have no business throwing a Boss.

[Bruce]

I really agree with that post SillyBizz, most people throwing bosses shouldn't be. And generally speaking if I am going for accuracy, I throw a Destroyer, but at places like McIver, I can let a Boss get me that extra 50 feet over the Destroyer, where distance is an advantage at the risk of some accuracy. Though I did get the Katana to be more of a roller than an air shot disc. I'll get to test it out tomorrow!

[SPIDER-DAN]

I did receive several pro katanas and i could not wait til i got out on the course to throw it so i went to the field across the street from my house and let it go.

So far i have to say that it is pretty awesome. I throw 320-350 and i think i easily got that on the first throw. Just think of the katana as a lightly used, nicely broken in boss........very sweet. I can not for the life of me turn over a boss, but this disc felt like a pro wraith in the hand with a rim like a boss. I threw it level and it flipped up for about 2-3 seconds and slightly turned back left.......very nice 's' turn right out of the box. Oh.........it was very, very fast...........i will be stocking up myself. If you like the sidewinder, monarch, and even the valkyrie........you may want to give this a try.

By the way, i threw a white pro katana 168g (168.8 to be exact).

[Jester]

i did receive several pro katanas and i could not wait til i got out on the course to throw it so i went to the field across the street from my house and let it go.

So far i have to say that it is pretty awesome. I throw 320-350 and i think i easily got that on the first throw. Just think of the katana as a lightly used, nicely broken in boss........very sweet. I can not for the life of me turn over a boss, but this disc felt like a pro wraith in the hand with a rim like a boss. I threw it level and it flipped up for about 2-3 seconds and slightly turned back left.......very nice 's' turn right out of the box. Oh.........it was very, very fast...........i will be stocking up myself. If you like the sidewinder, monarch, and even the valkyrie........you may want to give this a try.

By the way, i threw a white pro katana 168g (168.8 to be exact).

spider-dan, you feeling alright? Whats with the all no caps?

[Jester]

spider-dan, you feeling alright? Whats with the all no caps?

Oh, never mind. I see the mods won't let you post all caps. That is cr*p.

[Joshua Olmsted]

Stop the tyranny, let the all caps roam free!!!:rockon::p

[Matt B.]

Stop the tyranny, let the all caps roam free!!!:rockon::p

IT'S THE FIRST STEP IN THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA AND THE INEVITABLE SLIDE TOWARDS fASCISM LED BY OUR CORPORATE OVERLORDS!!!!!

[Bruce]

So I got out to McIver today with my Katana, and it was everything I though it would be. A super fast sidewinder. I think it earned a place in my bag as a long distance roller, and a nice hyzer flip disc. Though I did get a couple air shots in the low 500's with it. I can pump it flat and hard and it almost lands on a perfect roller angle about 350-400 feet down the fairway. I'm enjoying it!

[DanZ]

It sounds like a 1st run boss.

[Bruce]

The first run bosses were much more overstable than this is.

[Pizzel]

Anybody know if Next Adventure has these in stock?

[Bruce]

They are Japan Open fundraiser plastic, so I doubt it.

[REDFIVE]

Anybody know if Next Adventure has these in stock?

There is no official release date yet. The runs for the japan open were the test models.

[sillybizz]

You can get Katanas here (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/index.php?searchStr=katana&act=viewCat&Submit=Go)

[Bruce]

Or save 10 dollars a champion disc and get them from herodiscusa.com

[erp]

These folks have more and cheaper options (including the two discs on the page you mention) as well http://www.herodiscusa.com/

Just to throw another option out there - nothing against dg values - I've bought from them several times and would do so again...

They have some Japan open Pro Bosses as well, although the weights seemed light for people with power - sadly I don't suffer that particular affliction.

You can get Katanas here (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/index.php?searchStr=katana&act=viewCat&Submit=Go)

[Scott]

Anybody know if Next Adventure has these in stock?

I'm planning on heading down there today at lunch. I'll let you know.

[Scott]

There is no official release date yet. The runs for the japan open were the test models.

That would explain why none were found at Next Adventure today.

[REDFIVE]

The goal is a december release of pro katanas.

[kokaneeninja]

I went out and threw my new pro katana today! seems like it will be very useful for me. makes me think of a super fast valkyrie or sidewinder!!! oh yeah the japan stamp is gorgeous!!!

[Brian]

I got all my Katanas in and I haven't had a chance to get out before it is dark yet. I am dying to give them a try.

[REDFIVE]

I got all my Katanas in and I haven't had a chance to get out before it is dark yet. I am dying to give them a try.

that's what lunch breaks are for.

[DMajor]

I treat my breaks at work like recess. 15min in the morning half hour for lunch and 15 at night. On days I bring my lunch with me I go out and throw the whole time. I have acouple of short object courses worked out and there is a nice straight walking path that's about 10 feet wide with blackberry bushes and trees on the sides and about 400 feet long slightly uphill. Perfect for forcing yourself to throw very straight putter and roc shots. My coworkers laugh at me when I come back from the woods on my break with leaves, trees, and spider webs adorning my business casual attire. But I laugh at them as they sit on their breaks at the same desk they work at all day long staring at the same computer. Hahahahahahaha

[REDFIVE]

I used to work 5 minutes from lake fenwick. Not the best course but there are 6 baskets right out front and with an hour lunch it was perfect time for daily practice.

[REDFIVE]

I threw one of these today and they are weird. If you throw 450+ they are very uncontrolable. I would release with massive hyzer and it was anybodys guess if it would come back or just flip over into the ground. I don't throw understable discs so I could just not be used to throwing this style of shot. They fly a long way but if thrown fast enough they are very understable. The speed makes it odd because when it is thrown high enough it flips over and appears as if it will continue straight but it comes crashing back like a boss. It rolled pretty good which would be what I would buy it for.

People that throw sidewinders or valks will love this disc. I threw it with extreme hyzer and it picked up turned over and sometimes came back. This will add some distance for people that throw in the 300-350 range, I would expect.

[Adam Schneider]

This will add some distance for people that throw in the 300-350 range, I would expect.
I dunno. I think people in the 300'-350' range shouldn't even be going near a disc advertised as "speed 13."

[REDFIVE]

I dunno. I think people in the 300'-350' range shouldn't even be going near a disc advertised as "speed 13."

I would usually agree but this disc doesn't need 13 speed to get a good helix.

[ryanajanes]

if anyone bought any extra katanas i would love to buy one if anyone would be willing to part with one

[Wakemaster137]

I picked up a handful of champ blems, sold all but one, and have been throwing it. I happen to like it. I think the champ versions are much more stable than the pro and r pro.

I think these discs are getting alot of flack from pros. I think for the most part, pros are throwing too stable of discs most of the time. so, naturally people are calling these garbage. because they flip over, when you yank on them too hard. I feel opposite. If thrown correctly with some finesse and late stroke applied power their really isn't many discs that will fly like the katana. they can start flipping over at 300+ if thrown slight hyzer.. if thrown full hyzer, they will pop up to straight and fly forever! I think I have thrown the farthest hyzers of my life with this disc. 465+ on a full on tall hyzer? Isn't that an advantage? With so many high speed discs on the market now, people are learning that discs can be forced into the flight path they want. Not good habits.

I think even for pros, if thrown correctly with hyzerflip, it could be a serious distance machine. Think about sandstrom, the record still sits with a valk.

I think this disc has an excelent place in my bag, albeit only the champion version thus far. haven't tried it as a roller.. maybe in the summer time.

[Darr]

Anybody know if Next Adventure has these in stock?

Rainy Day Games has star Katanas in stock. They still had 3-4 after I bought a couple for my "stocking".

[Pizzel]

Rainy Day Games has star Katanas in stock. They still had 3-4 after I bought a couple for my "stocking".

Thanks for the "heads-up"!

[erp]

Jerry Miller has them in stock for $20 - you should check them out!


Thanks for the "heads-up"!

[Darr]

Jerry Miller has them in stock for $20 - you should check them out!
Save a penny and a LONG drive. They're 19.99 at Rainy Day... :cop:

[GettinBetter]

I have 3 brand new star ones (white 175, bright yellow 168, yellow 175) if any body needs one.

[Fridgecat]

There were about 4 or 5 Star Katanas left at Next Adventure as of Yesterday around 4pm (12-21-09)

[erp]

Where's Rainy Day?

I'm in Portland and hadn't been out to Disc Golf Depot in a while so today was about time.

Bought the last 2 169 katanas and there are 5 or 6 others left from 168 to 166 I believe.

Slightly more flip new than the 175 pro katanas that I'm throwing, but straight, consistent distance shots.



Save a penny and a LONG drive. They're 19.99 at Rainy Day... :cop:

[putter anonymous]

Play your game and let other people play theirs, variety is the spice of life.

[LegoRules]

People that throw sidewinders or valks will love this disc. I threw it with extreme hyzer and it picked up turned over and sometimes came back. This will add some distance for people that throw in the 300-350 range, I would expect.

I love my valk, so I am looking forward to giving a katana a try.

Cindy :)

[bryan_luoma]

Where's Rainy Day?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rainy+day+games+portland+oregon

[Adam Schneider]

http://lmgtfy.com/...
That is awesome.

[TreeLove]

Wow, that takes the place of my old favorite: www.jfgi.com (http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/)

[Matt B.]

That is awesome.

New. Best. Site. Ever.

[erp]

If only I new what town, state, and that the word 'games' appeared in the name of the company my search wouldn't have led me to a flower shop...

Either way, I live in near NE and while Jerry's is a bit of a haul, the penny I saved would not have covered the gas burned waiting in traffic to get to (and then be lost in) Tualitin.

Although this sounds like a guy that I had on my card at Hab/Rec a couple years ago...pretty nice geekish fellow...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rainy+day+games+portland+oregon

[bryan_luoma]

Just having some indoor fun since I can't be out golfing.

Cheers!
:cheers:

[Adam Schneider]

Okay, how about this then?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rainy+day+disc+golf+oregon

[erp]

OR how about just ASKING the f-ing HUMAN that mentioned it in the first f-ing place?

DERRRRRR...




Okay, how about this then?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rainy+day+disc+golf+oregon

[DiscnRN]

Bought my friend a 167 for a Christmas/New Year present. He was getting some mad distance with the thing and birdie'd a few holes that that he has previously only parred. Best thrown by those with experience but well worth it.:)

[erp]

If you snap it, it will go...

Bought my friend a 167 for a Christmas/New Year present. He was getting some mad distance with the thing and birdie'd a few holes that that he has previously only parred. Best thrown by those with experience but well worth it.:)

[LegoRules]

I got to throw my new R-Pro Katana today in team disc golf, and I was getting some mad D from the very first throw. :rockon: This disc has definatly found a place in my bag for sure, and I plan on getting a couple more to take to the Memorial. :yay:

Cindy :)

[erp]

Have you thrown a similarly weighted R-Pro Boss? what's the difference if so?

I really want to throw an r-pro katana...once...but after buying R-Pro bosses, I'd prefer not having to pay for it...

I got to throw my new R-Pro Katana today in team disc golf, and I was getting some mad D from the very first throw. :rockon: This disc has definatly found a place in my bag for sure, and I plan on getting a couple more to take to the Memorial. :yay:

Cindy :)

[snap7times]

yesterday at the ice bowl, guy in my group was throwing 1st run champ katana and it just seemed to go forever. I know if I was throwing it, prob get an extra 50-75 feet, cuz my star boss was always ahead of the katana on the 3-4 400+ holes. I wanna try one out without having to buy one cuz not sure if i need it.

[maynard]

This disc screams... But like Innova states~finesse.

[LegoRules]

Have you thrown a similarly weighted R-Pro Boss? what's the difference if so?

I really want to throw an r-pro katana...once...but after buying R-Pro bosses, I'd prefer not having to pay for it...

Yes I have an R-Pro Boss too, and the boss is much more stable than the Katana. I find I can really control the Kantana more than the boss.

Cindy :)

[DiscGolfOregon3]

My example/test disc: Red 175 Star w/ fundraiser stamp (the denser red color beads making this example barely more stable and predictable than any lighter colored plastics)

My two cents (IMPO ) . . . The Katana is super fast just as "her" older brother the Boss . . . the inside lip of the Katana is much shallower than the Boss giving the disc an overall slimmer wing, allowing the disc to fly slightly faster, carrying that "beat-in" Boss turn-over line much longer and distinct . . . the Katana definitely requires finesse, this being my only difficulty with the disc; snap the hell out of it hyzered 45 degrees and watch 'er soar . . . FAR :eek:

I'm curious to see how my personal example flies after a good beating. I am very interested in picking up a Champion Katana or two, maybe a couple more Stars while I'm at it . . . :bowing: I am very impressed with this disc, being that I normally lean towards stabler plastic; I'm learning . . . slowly :blush: :chug:

I just may need a bigger bag . . . :slapface: workin on it . . . :chinscratch:

-Derek :cool:
www.discgolforegon.com

P.S. next disc distance record: Katana :wink2:

[DexterHawk]

I throw hard and I like this disc... Flippy out of the box... really fast... should be the first speed thirteen disc that anyone tries (for backhand)... great for uphill shots!

[mazza]

I throw hard and I like this disc... Flippy out of the box... really fast... should be the first speed thirteen disc that anyone tries (for backhand)... great for uphill shots!

i understand it a 14 speed disc... and i'm droolin to get a hold of one

[DexterHawk]

I think this disc is going to be super popular with newer players and smaller folks with less snap... as they will be able to access the speed 13 / 14 speed that we power players have been able to throw for the last few years... Can you pull into one of these discs with reckless abandon the same way you can a Boss? No Way... Can you throw one as far as a Boss? Yes!

[LegoRules]

I think this disc is going to be super popular with newer players and smaller folks with less snap... as they will be able to access the speed 13 / 14 speed that we power players have been able to throw for the last few years... Can you pull into one of these discs with reckless abandon the same way you can a Boss? No Way... Can you throw one as far as a Boss? Yes!

I would have to concur with this for sure. I have an R-Boss, and most defiantly I can throw my new R-Pro Katana much further than my Boss. It probably won't be the perfect disc for everyone, but for me it is. I LOVE my new Katana, so much so I have ordered several back-ups. :rockon:

Cindy :)

[SPIDER-DAN]

I bought several first run champion katanas, 2nd run champion katanas, first run pro katanas and a champion blem katana. So far i started out with the pro katana 168 and i flew really well and far. I do love to throw sidewinders and they are usually my farthest throwing disc, but now they have definitely taken a back seat to the katana. I also throw the champion blem katana 172 and it is becoming my favorite in my bag. If i snap the pro katana too much it will flip and take a long time to come back. The champion katana mainly flips up straight with a little 's' curve and goes 50-75 feet further than my other drivers.

The pro katana is great, but breaks in really fast (couple months easy). I think the champion is the best and less technique sensitive. I would like feedback on the stability between champion first run and second run and also how the star katana flies. I do want several of those.

[erp]

Deek and Bryan's got a shipment of first run, star stamp, pro Katanas the other day... I think they're $20 I'm going to go get mine now...

[JR Stengele]

If anyone has a champ katana they want to trade for a new Nuke let me know. I would also consider perhaps purchasing it for a reasonable price, just PM me. I would like it new if at all possible.

[SPIDER-DAN]

The star stamp pro katana is not the first run......it just has the proto star stamp on them. The first runs have the japan open stamp on them with the words "first run katana" stamp on the blade of the sword........pretty cool.

Hey jr, i do have some champion katanas. The first runs are quite a bit right now but, i do have some seconds runs that are a little bit lower in price. Let me know what you are asking. I did purchase a blem just for throwing purposes cause i knew the others would be high in price.

[erp]

Sorry - you are correct.

I picked up a red 170 today and it is far more stable than my copper first run 175...

The star stamp pro katana is not the first run......it just has the proto star stamp on them. The first runs have the japan open stamp on them with the words "first run katana" stamp on the blade of the sword........pretty cool.

Hey jr, i do have some champion katanas. The first runs are quite a bit right now but, i do have some seconds runs that are a little bit lower in price. Let me know what you are asking. I did purchase a blem just for throwing purposes cause i knew the others would be high in price.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I seem to notice that with innova discs.......most first runs are not as overstable as the next and so on. The stock champion katana line will more than likely be a bit more overstable that the first runs im sure........would be shocked if not.

Still.........the katana is my favorite for sure.

[maynard]

I have bought every run of the katana except the new eco presidents cup model. All my champs(1rst&2nd)runs i have left boxed up for now. The pro worlds star runs have a much more flat top and are more stable than the pro line. The other interesting thing is the star is slightly larger in diameter then my pro lines. Type of plastic or cooling process what im not sure. But iam a fan of this disc and it has when thrown correctly and quite a bit of distance to my drives. Fun disc and i will let you know my review of the champ runs after im done learning the pro line and star runs. Oh by the way the eco runs just came up on ebay and the are a limited # run as well.

[Scott]

Next Adventure has non star stamped Pro Katanas as well, for $12.99.
I bought a few. Too flippy for me to throw forehand, so I won't be using them a ton right now. Yeah, I'm starting to throw backhand more, but still sticking with Lepoards and TLs.

Matthew, on the other hand, loved it. He threw it forehand about 270'. About what he was getting with a beat in r-pro boss. Seemed to be very predictable. Like the r-pro Boss, he didn't have to throw very hard to get that distance.

[mazza]

well i finally got to throw one this weekend....the very first throw i really tryed to not put any kind of power or hella snap. it turned over to the right and almost dead center of the fairway(on hole 16 at white river and i teed off from 18 blue) so for now its a disc i will only throw in a wide open field till i can learn to control it. i can say that imo it has the potential to beat my personal distance best by a LONG shot. but here is my question.

what plastic would be best to get it in?

pro?
star?
champion?

[erp]

If you want to unload any of these I'd be happy to trade or buy them from you - I got the star stamp pro in red at 170 and Have started to use it instead of my pro boss for forehands because it is so much more overstable.

Send a PM if you're interested...

I really would like to get a pro katana that's in the 167-170 range that's as flippy as my first run pro at max weight.

I just know I'm going to lose the first run because the color is 'copper' (should be called 'Pier Earth' and the stamps are yellow and green. Overall effect is camouflage.

I'll probably go grab one from D& B's this afternoon anyways...


Next Adventure has non star stamped Pro Katanas as well, for $12.99.
I bought a few. Too flippy for me to throw forehand, so I won't be using them a ton right now. Yeah, I'm starting to throw backhand more, but still sticking with Lepoards and TLs.

Matthew, on the other hand, loved it. He threw it forehand about 270'. About what he was getting with a beat in r-pro boss. Seemed to be very predictable. Like the r-pro Boss, he didn't have to throw very hard to get that distance.

[Scott]

If you want to unload any of these I'd be happy to trade or buy them from you - I got the star stamp pro in red at 170 and Have started to use it instead of my pro boss for forehands because it is so much more overstable.

Send a PM if you're interested...



I'm going to hang onto these for a while. They are perfect for my son right now, and I hope to be able to throw them backhand by this summer.

[General Scales]

So I think everyone that has seen my posts has noted I am totally a Discraft guy. Well, the Katana is the first Innova disc I have bought in a very long time and it was worth it. First run star stamped orange one at 171 grams (my magic weight)

First instincts on this disc is wow :shocked:. It screams out of the hand. It's still too flippy for me to really crank one out but thats not the point of this disc anyways. It hyzer flips to straight at about 60 percent power and stays that way for 350 plus. I threw it @ Faragut this weekend as a roller and thats what I think I'll keep it for. That and a tailwind driver since it just wants to glide and glide. Threw my first roller over 350 this weekend with it!:yay: The only other disc I can get even remotely close to that distance was my Z S.S. Avenger (the ESP S.S. Avengers are too soft and flex hardcore for serious rolling). I think my furthest with my S.S. was 300 maybe. So, kudos Innova for finally making a disc that peaked my interest.

Now if I can only somehow dye it to look like a Discraft disc, that way my hypocrisy is kept in check somewhat....:chinscratch:

[D-Walk]

There were a few left at Rainy Day Games as of Saturday.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I finally got my hands on a first run star katana with the 2010 worlds stamp and it is so far much more overstable than my champion katana.

I have first run pro katana that will flip over slightly if thrown with enough snap and wont come back for a long time if any.

I have a first run champion blem katana that will flip up and fly super straight for 90% of its flight and then fade a little at the end.

I have a first run star katana that will not flip over at all for me, but will hyzer for a long, long way and not too extreme. Of course i only have thrown it for one round and im sure it will start to get worked in. Just got at the wa team disc golf at lake Isabella (thanks eric from team white river).

[Chad_from_BC]

So the champ is more flippy than the star? Weird that's a little backwards.

[erp]

My first first run in pro at max weight is way less stable than my star stamp pro at 170. I want to get another that flies like that first disc.

Anyone know if any of the new production stamp run in pro are more or less flippy than any other by weight or color?

The last thing I need is to buy another only to find out it flies like my worn boss...

So the champ is more flippy than the star? Weird that's a little backwards.

[discgolf2009]

Deek and Bryan's got a shipment of first run, star stamp, pro Katanas the other day... I think they're $20 I'm going to go get mine now...

Disc golf depot has the regular pro line katana for 10.

[Chad_from_BC]

Having thrown the star katana a few times and seeing how understable it can be I'm not sure I'd want a broken in pro.

[General Scales]

I've thrown all the different runs of Katana's now and I can say that it's weird but true. The Star is more overstable then the Champion for once. I don't know how it happened but I'm glad I got the Star instead of the Champion. Although I am being a traitor to my Discraft roots by doing so.

Still, disc rules. Nothing like effortless 400 footers.

[Parks]

Although I am being a traitor to my Discraft roots by doing so.

Throwing brands instead of great discs is silly anyway.

It only makes sense for a few cases: You're sponsored, you personally know people that work for the manufacturer or they're local, if you agree/disagree with the business practices, and maybe some other special cases.

[Ol' Bob]

If Budweiser made discs, I wouldn't throw them.

[Parks]

If Budweiser made a disc that was better than similar offerings from other manufacturers then I would throw it.

If Budweiser made discs like they make beer, then I wouldn't throw it unless I really wanted to get drunk and all I had was four bucks and the store had a sixer of Natty Ice tall boys. Whoops, lost my train of thought there.

[grant]

If Budweiser made a disc that was better than similar offerings from other manufacturers then I would throw it.

If Budweiser made discs like they make beer, then I wouldn't throw it unless I really wanted to get drunk and all I had was four bucks and the store had a sixer of Natty Ice tall boys. Whoops, lost my train of thought there.

nice. :laughing:

[erp]

Sorry to drag things kicking and screaming back on topic, but I picked up a 172 champion with the Selinske stamp this weekend.

It's more overstable than even my star stamp pro!

Looks like I need to get back to Hero and buy up more of the first run pros...Innova apparently is intent on turning this thing into a boss...

[Adam Schneider]

172 champion with the Selinske stamp this weekend... It's more overstable than even my star stamp pro!
Wasn't that expected?

[erp]

Entirely, however I was hoping that the famous innova inconsistency factor would pop in at some point and the stability would go back to what those first champions apparently were.

The releases on this mold are marching steadily to the realms of the waaaay overstable.

Wasn't that expected?

[General Scales]

It's very weird the stability issues they are having with all the different runs. My buddies Pro is so much more overstable then his Champion yet a hell of a lot less high speed stable then my 1st run star stamp star one.

So this begs the question, which of the runs in which plastic is the most and least overstable.

[mazza]

my pro katana is nasty overstable(turns to the right) it just might be my new roller

[Scott]

my pro katana is nasty overstable(turns to the right) it just might be my new roller

Do you mean understable (flippy). Are you throwing RHBP?

[DexterHawk]

I threw such a sweet shot on hole 10 at adair with this disc @ Festivus...

Man it's weird but it has a spot in my bag...

My drive went left of the vertical tree under the downed tree and then flew 20 ft PAST the basket all about 10 ft off of the ground and thrown at about 75% power.... COOL

[Darr]

I threw such a sweet shot on hole 10 at adair with this disc @ Festivus...

Man it's weird but it has a spot in my bag...

My drive went left of the vertical tree under the downed tree and then flew 20 ft PAST the basket all about 10 ft off of the ground and thrown at about 75% power.... COOL

I am really liking this dics as well. 175 Star
The toughest of the extra holes (F) at the Scramble yesterday was about 375 or so maybe 400. The basket was not visible from the tee and at the end of a tight tunnel tucked behind TONS of blackberry bushes. My Katana flipped right about where the other 10 drives I saw flexed out and cruised straight down the tunnel nestling directly beneath the basket. I had to throw 90% :blush:
This disc flies like a faster beat Destroyer right out of the box :rockon::rockon:

[mazza]

Do you mean understable (flippy). Are you throwing RHBP?

yeah thats it

[Scott]

yeah thats it

That's what I've found, too. I was about to take them out of my bag because they only get me into trouble, but maybe I'll try some rollers.

[DMajor]

That's what I've found, too. I was about to take them out of my bag because they only get me into trouble, but maybe I'll try some rollers.

How about trying some Hyzer

[General Scales]

How about trying some Hyzer

I've found that it flies great in a gentle arcing hyzer. My buddy can actually get it stay on that line (Star Pro Worlds 168). I however can't. Even if I 60 percent in a hyzer line, it still flips to flat. It'll come down with a nice left turn but nothing like he can get it to do. He of course has a lot less snap and arm speed so my 60 percent is probably more like his 90 percent.

This disc will be a hyzer flip monster when they are beat just right. Threw one at 85 percent in a hyzer flip and it never wanted to stop. Was amazing but I wish I would've marked the distance. I'm guessing 430-450 which is by far and away my furthest controlled drive to date. Sad how much distance this disc has added to my game. Well, sad for my friends at least :laughing:

[Bruce]

After throwing my first run champion and the new release of champion Katana's, I've found them very similar, and NO where near the stability of the Boss. I enjoy them for rollers and long turnover shots. Have to keep in mind with these new speed 13 discs, disc speed makes these touchy. Though, that is my .02

[GettinBetter]

I finally got my hands on a first run star katana with the 2010 worlds stamp and it is so far much more overstable than my champion katana.

I have first run pro katana that will flip over slightly if thrown with enough snap and wont come back for a long time if any.

I have a first run champion blem katana that will flip up and fly super straight for 90% of its flight and then fade a little at the end.

I have a first run star katana that will not flip over at all for me, but will hyzer for a long, long way and not too extreme. Of course i only have thrown it for one round and im sure it will start to get worked in. Just got at the wa team disc golf at lake Isabella (thanks eric from team white river).

I love the star ones! Beat that thing in and it'll go like crazy. No problem man, glad I could be of service!

[erp]

How would you compare the champions to other plastics and weights?

You've got a bit of a reputation for throwing a long way, so it would be interesting to hear if the plastic changes I'm noticing are a result of not having 500' snap.

Any bit of wisdom helps...

After throwing my first run champion and the new release of champion Katana's, I've found them very similar, and NO where near the stability of the Boss. I enjoy them for rollers and long turnover shots. Have to keep in mind with these new speed 13 discs, disc speed makes these touchy. Though, that is my .02

[mazza]

the only way i can get any kinda of a good shot. is to pansy ass it. and with my arm there no putting hyzer on it.. i have to throw it alomst 6 o'clock. i have come to understand that the champion line is the most stable out of them all. then again i was also told the they fly like a beat boss. on noe ever said they fly like a whoop'd boss. i mean shit i think my 8 yr old can throw it better then i can and i try'd standing still with little body movement... and it still try'd to back hand roll for me. but i may need to trade my pro for a star or something

[General Scales]

the only way i can get any kinda of a good shot. is to pansy ass it. and with my arm there no putting hyzer on it.. i have to throw it alomst 6 o'clock. i have come to understand that the champion line is the most stable out of them all. then again i was also told the they fly like a beat boss. on noe ever said they fly like a whoop'd boss. i mean shit i think my 8 yr old can throw it better then i can and i try'd standing still with little body movement... and it still try'd to back hand roll for me. but i may need to trade my pro for a star or something

Definite need for a Star one. They are by far and away the most overstable of the runs. They will still flip if you have a good amount of snap but it's a flat flip. Good long gentle right to slight left at the end.

[DexterHawk]

This disc is going to be a role player in most bags... a disc you can flip easy to run crazy tunnels and hit crazy sky roller lines with... I'll still throw my boss on a max distance shot, even on most long distance gap shots, but if it needs to fly a low s curve, this disc is the best in my bag.

[Chad_from_BC]

I've thrown my friend chris's star katana about a half dozen times. My throw isn't super predictable these days because I've been working on not 'rounding' so much and getting my elbow more into play. Regardless, on the few times I snapped it out straight I was in love. Managed to hit about 475 and keep it straight and 8-10 feet off the ground almost the whole way. We play at a pretty high elevation and stuff just simply isn't as flippy up here. It'll be interesting to see how much you need to hyzer it to keep it from folding closer to sea level. I havnt decided if I want a star or champ though. I can't see the pro being any good once it's beat up real good.

[Scott]

How about trying some Hyzer

Yeah, I've had some pretty decent hyzer-flips with both Pro Katanas and R-pro bosses, but that's part of my game that needs some work. My results vary. Right now, it's not a shot I can throw with a lot of confidence.

[DanD]

Big diff between Pro and Star Katana's. My Pro Katana is my flippiest disc, right out the bag. Think I'll check out the Star version.

[erp]

I've been working on throwing everything straight and flat to slightly hyzered and it's bringing up my control and distance with the two discs you mention below - I love the flippy stuff...

Yeah, I've had some pretty decent hyzer-flips with both Pro Katanas and R-pro bosses, but that's part of my game that needs some work. My results vary. Right now, it's not a shot I can throw with a lot of confidence.

[Ode]

i picked up a pro one last week. i think they fly great. not a power disc for sure, but a nice 50% throw with a touch of hyzer and maybe 20 feet of air and it flies far. right now its filling the slot of my beat to crap destroyer that i lost at yauger and i think its gonna stay in the bag. great tunnel shot disc and a nice reliable turnover as well.

[Chad_from_BC]

I havnt tried throwing it lightly yet. Only full rip drives with some hyzer or flat for big fades. I was actually kind of wondering what it would be like at 50%. It'll be the next disc I buy.

[maynard]

Ok so I finally have thrown each run(except the echostar). The 1rst run Pro is the least stable flipping at moderate arm speeds, the champ 1rst and 2nd run fly very similar flattening out with a some what nice fade at the end(Money!!!) and last the 1rst run star model has a flat top(slightly larger dia)and is the most stable. The runs seem consistent(I have thrown 2 of each)and all were the same weight 175g. I have not thrown any of the larger production run models yet or the R-Pro. But after seeing the d some people with less arm speed then me get Im sure the R-Pro(good thing they are inexpensive) will be a staple in some bags.

[Bruce]

Hey Erp, didn't see your request there.

So having thrown the first run champ, the new champ, first run pro, and the new production run, non star stamped pro. Each is more stable than it's first run counterpart. But I think the added stability is going to be a bit more friendly in most cases. It will let people beat the plastic in a bit more before it becomes that super flippy disc.

I am already excited to con someone out of a super beat pro katana. I am stoked to have on in my bag in that condition for those get out of trouble super quick touch down roller situations.

I see -nothing- but great things from this disc, it is the disc that most people who throw under 400 should be throwing, when they think they should pull out a Boss.

But we also need to keep in mind, as with we've already seen from the Boss. The way these discs cool, and how the plastic shrinks when it does cool, can drastically change the stability, or lack of in these discs.

[Chad_from_BC]

So I got an Echo Katana today. They made 250 of them as a one off run for the 2010 Presidents Cup. There were also 27 xouts from the batch and I nabbed one of those thanks to a friend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/madchad/2cf33952.jpg

[Chad_from_BC]

compared the echo katana to a star worlds fundraiser today and the echo has a way bigger dome, almost destroyer ish compared to the near flat star worlds.