Matchplay for the Masses - Terrace - 11/14/09

[cefire]

Matchplay for the Masses

When: Saturday, November 14th - Players meeting at 9:00
Where: Terrace Creek
Cost: $5
Maximum # entries: 32
Divisions: One big, happy family division :cheers:


I'm realizing there is a matchplay void in Seattle so here is everyone's chance to play a super fun type of disc golf. This will run similar to an NCAA bracket - you will compete against only one player at a time and work your way up the bracket.

No divisions to speak of, its just $5 and since those who lose are placed into a separate pool (where they can still cash), we won't really need divisions. Everyone is guarenteed to play at least 2 matches (double elimination).

Sign up now by pm'ing me or posting and I'll start filling the bracket with a random number generator. Will add as an attachment if I can.


PLAYER LIST (will be randomly put into the bracket a few days before the tourney):
1. Andrew Rivers
2. Sheila Teves
3. Kyle Sutherland
4. Aaron Thornfinsson
5. Toby Cheff
6. Thomas Little
7. Jesse Ingram
8. Tim Coye
9. Robert LaPlaunt
10. ChUck
11. The Ombudsman (Michael ???)
12. Jason VanProyen
13. Ian Markussen
14. Bill Clark
15. Eric Mesford
16. Getty
17. Ken Smith
18. Aaron Holley
19. Ryan Bartell
20. Ming Vang
21. Wayne Whitney
22. Evan Troka
23. Jessie Westphal
24. Nate Bell
25. Rhett
26. Jens
27. Frank?

List Updated 11/13/09

[REDFIVE]

Great idea. If you are planning for 18 hole rounds that could be a lot of golf for a short day. If you get 64 that is 6 rounds to get a winner. I am in but suggest 9 hole matches I would rather not climb 6 rounds at terrace. You are the man andrew!

[cefire]

Ah yes I forgot, one more twist to this whole deal is that the rounds will run "turbo" style to make sure we have plenty o'daylight.

First round - 12 holes
Second - 12 holes
LUNCH
Third - 9 holes
Fourth - 7 holes
Fifth - 5 holes
Final - Sudden death

Maximum # of holes = 44 holes unless you go into overtime in any of your matches

[sillybizz]

I'm in Andrew!

[sillybizz]

So far everyone on the list is WAAAAAAAY better than me, time to get out and practice!!!

[cefire]

No biggie Thomas, I'm sure there will be a range of skill levels there and also:
1. Its for fun!
2. Its matchplay which is very different from stroke play
3.You da man
4. Its for fun!

[REDFIVE]

Having just played the format I recommend anyone that can come out. It is a much different feel than stroke play and is a lot of fun.

[BigBubbBelly]

Hey kats, Im interested. What needs to be done in order to get in on this? Let me know. Id be stoked to try out a new format. Its not based on your score for the round, but the number of holes you win, right? Great idea.

[sillybizz]

No biggie Thomas, I'm sure there will be a range of skill levels there and also:
1. Its for fun!
2. Its matchplay which is very different from stroke play
3.You da man
4. Its for fun!

All of these are very true, especially number three. :D

[sillybizz]

I will say though if I get pitted up against anyone on this list it will be money well spent, winning or losing doesn't matter, the vast amount of knowledge gained and the fact that it will be tons of fun will be well worth it, besides I'm the best turbo putter on this list so far, that I know of :p

[Joshua Olmsted]

I'm totally down for this!!! Sounds like a really cool tournament concept, sign me up. :cheerleader:

[Toby Puttzinski]

Not bad Adnrew, I think you're around %50 success rate in spelling names on the players' list.
I'd feel bad that you're cheating me out of one of my f's, but I think Sheila's missing an 'i', and not sure about Aaron's last name...
All jokes aside, I think you should do this at North Park!!

[Tim]

You know I'm down, Andrew!

[cefire]

Not bad Adnrew

Funny guy, right here! However, I'm not sure where to add an extra "i" to Sheila's name :nahnah:

Yeah, I'd love to do this at North Park but the rumor is that we can't take over the park for tourney's. We'll see how this one works out but I think North Park would be a great venue for matchplay.

[LJ Jubner]

I am curious why all these events are suddenly so numerous and time constrainted? It's not like it's gonna snow anytime soon.

[ChUcK]

In like Flynn. SillyBizz, I'll see you in the "B" bracket! :wink2:

[gwillim]

Ah yes I forgot, one more twist to this whole deal is that the rounds will run "turbo" style to make sure we have plenty o'daylight.

First round - 12 holes
Second - 12 holes
LUNCH
Third - 9 holes
Fourth - 6 holes
Fifth - 3 holes
Final - Sudden death

Maximum # of holes = 40 holes unless you go into overtime in any of your matches

I would offer a suggestion that you do at least five holes for the fifth round. 3 holes for match play could be VERY arbitrary depending on which hole you're playing, and could be quite unfair.

Also, you might want to stick with odd numbers, so you don't have to deal with any ties along the way. I would suggest...

RD1 - 13 holes
RD2 - 11 holes
RD3 - 9 holes
RD4 - 7 holes
RD5 - 5 holes

That said, sounds like a fun event!

[JasonVP]

Count me in the last name is Van Proyen.

[cefire]

I would offer a suggestion that you do at least five holes for the fifth round. 3 holes for match play could be VERY arbitrary depending on which hole you're playing, and could be quite unfair.

Also, you might want to stick with odd numbers, so you don't have to deal with any ties along the way. I would suggest...

RD1 - 13 holes
RD2 - 11 holes
RD3 - 9 holes
RD4 - 7 holes
RD5 - 5 holes

That said, sounds like a fun event!


I hear you on the 3 holes part, it will definitely increase the luck/randomness factor but at the same time I want to a) pump up the pressure a bit for the final rounds, b) encourage those who get knocked out to watch a bit of the last matches (but not have to sit around for a lot of holes), and c) finish before dark while giving as many as possible a chance to play a lot of holes.

If everyone was paying and playing for lots of money - I'd say 9 holes would be the minimum. I'm open to suggestion if people have a big problem with it, but my inclination is to leave the short matches. My plan is also to have short matches do a little bit of a safari course for that round and the finals and it sounds like it might be wise to make it as fair as possible.

Odd numbers unfortunately do not solve the tie problem as for example in a 3 hole match you can both win a hole and push (split) one hole which leaves the score tied at the end.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I LIKE THIS FORMAT:

RD1 - 13 holes
RD2 - 11 holes
RD3 - 9 holes
RD4 - 7 holes
RD5 - 5 holes

BUT ILL PLAY EITHER WAY.........COUNT ME IN FOR SURE........EVEN THOUGH I HATE MT. LAKE TERROR. I MEAN TERRACE.......BAD MEMORIES.

[ChUcK]

I LIKE THIS FORMAT:

RD1 - 13 holes
RD2 - 11 holes
RD3 - 9 holes
RD4 - 7 holes
RD5 - 5 holes

BUT ILL PLAY EITHER WAY.........COUNT ME IN FOR SURE........EVEN THOUGH I HATE MT. LAKE TERROR. I MEAN TERRACE.......BAD MEMORIES.

Sissy Boy! :nahnah:

[gwillim]

Odd numbers unfortunately do not solve the tie problem as for example in a 3 hole match you can both win a hole and push (split) one hole which leaves the score tied at the end.

Yes, of course, you are correct. Missed that!

I still think that have a minimum of 5 holes would be a good idea though. It won't add too much time, and it will do a lot toward the fairness of the event. For example, I am left handed, and if I was doing well going into the final 3 holes, and happened to have to play those three holes on three dominant righty hyzer oriented holes, I would be a little irritated, considering the skill separation from throwing an excellent anhyzer to an excellent hyzer.

I have played in quite a few match play events, and I've never played with less than 7 holes, and even that was pushing it, giving me very little time to catch up after a couple of unfair holes.

[REDFIVE]

I agree that a min of 5 holes would be fair. Eventhough at terrace most all holes are righty holes.

[JR Stengele]

Not bad Adnrew, I think you're around %50 success rate in spelling names on the players' list.
I'd feel bad that you're cheating me out of one of my f's, but I think Sheila's missing an 'i', and not sure about Aaron's last name...
All jokes aside, I think you should do this at North Park!!

You would Toby! I hopefully can do it and if so I want you first Toby!!!!:trophy:

[cefire]

Sounds like there is some consensus out there, I'll switch it to 5 holes.

[gwillim]

Sounds like there is some consensus out there, I'll switch it to 5 holes.

Thank you for being pliable. I'll look at my schedule and see if I can make it up. I really enjoy match play and a one day $5 match play event sounds really fun.

[cefire]

Of course, I appreciate that people out there are willing to offer feedback - its how events get better! Hope you can make it

[thebakedone]

Sign me up please. I'll see if I can get the other boys to join us as well.

[SPIDER-DAN]

sissy boy! :nahnah:

ha.........thanks chuck.........ill be looking to battle you........lol.

[Toby Puttzinski]

Chris is RIGHT, Terrace is mostly righty holes(I know, I know, whaaaa)-- not the fairest of courses for those side-armers.... not to mention us left-handers with no side-arm drive. If you held it at Lakewood or Seatac it would be easier for the guys from the south to attend, and in my opinion these courses would be better suited for this type of event... just a thought.

Regardless of where it's held it sounds like alot of fun!

p.s. Drew, I thought perhaps Sheiila's last name was missing an eye(i).

[sillybizz]

PLAYER LIST (will be randomly put into the bracket a few days before the tourney):
1. Andrew Rivers
2. Sheila Teves
3. Chris Waugh
4. Aaron Thornfinsson
5. Toby Cheff
6. Thomas Little (Sillybizz)
7. Jesse Ingram
8. Joshua Olmsted
9. Tim Coye
10. Robert LaPlaunt
11. ChUck
12. Dan Lilly
13. Jason VanProyen
14. John Stengele
15. Bill Clark

Why is my name the only one with my SN next to it? :chinscratch: hmmm I smell conspiracy! My first round opponent will be Avery Jenkins, lol.

[SPIDER-DAN]

HEY, MY LAST NAME IS SPELLED LILLEY. WHY IS THE 'U' IN CHUCK CAPITALIZED ANYWAY..........IS THAT FOR LUCK? :nahnah:

[cefire]

Damn you all and the letters and such in your names...:headbang:

[ChUcK]

Cause it's all about U... but I'm not sure what that U is... Unleash the fury, perhaps...

[sillybizz]

Damn you all and the letters and such in your names...:headbang:

awwwwww poor Andrew! :waaah: :rolleyes2: :laughing:

[aaron]

Add Eric Mesford to the list

[Getty]

Andrew, please add Getty.

[ChUcK]

I want to see some more names!

[Ken Smith]

Andrew ... count me in. This will be great. I think there should be a decent group to watch the last few matches!

[cefire]

OK y'all I'm off on vacation for a week so I'll update when I get back in town next Tuesday.

Hold down the fort will ya? :cop:

[sillybizz]

This is looking like it's going to be a nice turnout and be lots of fun!

[cefire]

OK, I'm back so keep the names rolling in...
Once I get a few minutes, I'll put together a little flyer for the local courses.

[Toby Puttzinski]

Please add Aaron Holley to this if he's not already on the list.

[killa]

bump

[REDFIVE]

Set

[JR Stengele]

match?

[REDFIVE]

Spike, c'mon man! You are officialy cut from this volleyball team! Go home practice and come back next time. Remember jordan was cut at one time also, you may be great oneday. But today you ruined it for everybody.

[ChUcK]

Spike, c'mon man! You are officialy cut from this volleyball team! Go home practice and come back next time. Remember jordan was cut at one time also, you may be great oneday. But today you ruined it for everybody.

To be fair, it is a thread about "match"play...

Hey Andrew, will there be a method for placement in the lower bracket, or will it be random as well?

[DMajor]

I fear that questions about the lower bracket could turn into a self fulfilling prophecy for you

[cefire]

Yeah, placement into the lower bracket will be done randomly as well although it will be predetermined (kind of) based on your initial placement into the upper bracket

[sillybizz]

Andrew could you please add the following names to the list:

Ming Vang
Wayne Whitney
Evan Troka

[olydiscgolf]

To be fair, it is a thread about "match"play...

Hey Andrew, will there be a method for placement in the lower bracket, or will it be random as well?

Its usually pretty random for me to get any placement in the lower bracket, but there is a method!

[JR Stengele]

To be fair, it is a thread about "match"play...

Hey Andrew, will there be a method for placement in the lower bracket, or will it be random as well?

I feel so sad right now!!!!! I am off the team. :waaah:
Just when I thought I had it I miss the spike and go straight for the win. Apparently I thought the chicken came before the egg too. Or did it?:D

[ChUcK]

I fear that questions about the lower bracket could turn into a self fulfilling prophecy for you

There's nothing to fear except fear itself. That, and not knowing the rules of a competition for others' cash.

[j_mardis]

I am driving into town from Boise on Friday and I will hopefully be playing the match play event at terrace, but I need a place to crash the night before. Does anyone have room for Friday night? Please pm me if so.

Thanks,
Jordan

[Toby Puttzinski]

Jordan, if you haven't found a place to crash yet, you're welcome to stay at my place Friday night... I'll be playing Saturday & live less than ten minutes from Terrace, and we have plenty of room downstairs for guests.

[killa]

Saturday is supposed to have pleasant weather, with rain stopping Friday evening.

We should have a good turnout -- the more the merrier!

[sillybizz]

Saturday is supposed to have pleasant weather, with rain stopping Friday evening.

We should have a good turnout -- the more the merrier!

I'm just hoping my back is better by then, went out to throw yesterday and I couldn't throw a drive without hurting myself and throwing straight into the ground.

[cefire]

Hope you feel better soon!

Yeah, the weather does look good - crossing my fingers we don't see any big changes. Based on the list of those planning on attending, it looks like we'll more realistically have a bracket of 32 rather than 64. All this means is that I'll probably have slightly longer matches AND probably have more consolation brackets so people can keep playing. Payout will still go only to those who place highly in the top brackets though so even if you win the really low brackets - probably more for pride.

I'll think about it a little bit and see how it might pan out.

:)

[sillybizz]

Did Mr. Waugh back out of the 11 spot? Chris I know you are afraid to get me first round I can understand that, you must be afraid of winning that round too fast.

[LakeStevensBA]

Can we show up the morning of this event and enter and if so what time? Will I have fun? Will I get my ass handed to me? Will I fall down on hole 3?

[sillybizz]

Can we show up the morning of this event and enter and if so what time? Will I have fun? Will I get my ass handed to me? Will I fall down on hole 3?

Yes, yes, yes and yes. hehe. Hole 18 is where I fell, it and number 3 are dangerous right now. Players meeting is at 9am so show up a little earlier than that. Hey Brian I'll be out there early if you want to play a little before hand, I need to warm up the back.

[killa]

1) Longer matches -- :yay:

2) If I am eliminated twice, I would personally prefer to spectate matches between some top golfers, rather than play matches myself in a bracket where I can no longer win money.

I know ChUcK is with me on that... others?

[The Ombudsman]

1) Longer matches -- :yay:

2) If I am eliminated twice, I would personally prefer to spectate matches between some top golfers, rather than play matches myself in a bracket where I can no longer win money.

I know ChUcK is with me on that... others?

I would much rather play fo no money than watch some other schmucks play.
If you wanna be a groupie, go ahead.

[sillybizz]

I would much rather play fo no money than watch some other schmucks play.
If you wanna be a groupie, go ahead.

I'm not playing to win money, I never go to tournaments/events for that purpose. I come for meeting and playing with new people or people I haven't played with much. To me the first two matches would be the same as any match after that, so I would rather be playing. $5 for a disc golf lesson. :)

[RIVETER]

2) If I am eliminated twice, I would personally prefer to spectate matches between some top golfers, rather than play matches myself in a bracket where I can no longer win money.

I know ChUcK is with me on that... others?

If I get eliminated and you happen to be one of the top finishers... I'd rather play more disc golf. :nahnah:
If ChUck is still playing then I might reconsider.:laughing:

[sillybizz]

If I get eliminated and you happen to be one of the top finishers... I'd rather play more disc golf. :nahnah:
If ChUck is still playing then I might reconsider.:laughing:

Just pray you get matched up with me, that is a bye match, lol, my back is still killing me, I'm hoping lots of Tylenol, eggs and bacon for breakfast tomorrow will do the trick.

On a side note to Ryan AKA RIVETER: Terrace Creek!!! :rockon:

[ChUcK]

You and me in the finals, Ryan. Then you'll be forced to watch!

[Toby Puttzinski]

Matt Wood can't make it, but Frank would like to play... I will be there to donate my $5-- bringing my C game -- sore thumb-- no grip and no confidence... see you in the losers' bracket Chuck, Kyle and Tom...


Actually, I'll take Chuck to win... who'll give me 100-1 on that action? Just kidding obviously, we all know that there's zero chance of Chuck winning, but it'd be fun to make some side bets on the outcome...
my prediction--Andrew Rivers beating Aaron Holley in the final round... taking action up until 9 am... pm me if interested... I take paypal.

[killa]

If I get eliminated and you happen to be one of the top finishers... I'd rather play more disc golf. :nahnah:
If ChUck is still playing then I might reconsider.:laughing:

HAHA Ryan, you done got me good! See you out there, buddy.


If you wanna be a groupie, go ahead.Pfffttph. Wow, I don't see why a friendly, down-to-earth guy would jump to such an insulting conclusion. I know you've been around the disc golf block a few times, so how is it that you can't appreciate a less-experienced golfer's interest in seeing how some skilled players (schmucks, if you will) approach the course that just got the best of him twice?

And sillybizz, we're both thinking of it as a $5 lesson, but we're at odds over how to make the most of the opportunity. I feel as though I'll learn more watching the best than by playing with someone else who, like me, ended up in the second consolation bracket. :chinscratch:

I guess most people are of a different mindset than me... OK. :cheers: Let's have some fun!

[thebakedone]

Pfffttph. Wow, I don't see why a friendly, down-to-earth guy would jump to such an insulting conclusion. I know you've been around the disc golf block a few times, so how is it that you can't appreciate a less-experienced golfer's interest in seeing how some skilled players (schmucks, if you will) approach the course that just got the best of him twice?



Ha, you obviously don't know him well. I'm pretty sure we could all use some "coaching" from better players. I'm going with Aaron or Mr. Lewis to win. Just got home from a round with them and we got our work cut out.

[sillybizz]

Matt Wood can't make it, but Frank would like to play... I will be there to donate my $5-- bringing my C game -- sore thumb-- no grip and no confidence... see you in the losers' bracket Chuck, Kyle and Tom...


Actually, I'll take Chuck to win... who'll give me 100-1 on that action? Just kidding obviously, we all know that there's zero chance of Chuck winning, but it'd be fun to make some side bets on the outcome...
my prediction--Andrew Rivers beating Aaron Holley in the final round... taking action up until 9 am... pm me if interested... I take paypal.

I would have put money on Chris Waugh but he chickened out! That's right next time we're at the course you are going down... could you spot me a stroke per hole? :D

Toby, I'll take Holley over Rivers, sorry Andrew I still got love for you. My wild card: Ming

[JR Stengele]

I'm out. I am sick and need my rest. Good luck to everyone, see you all on the flip side. Would love to get a round in soon at Terrace or Arlington perhaps next weekend if anyone is interested???PM me or leave a message on the board. My money is on Tim for the Win!!! Go get em dude. WEAR THE WIG AND IT WILL BRING YOU THE TITLE.

[sillybizz]

I'm in for either course buddy, just give me a jingle. Get better!

[cefire]

I've got to go with Ming for the big win here. He knows the course well and hits a lot of birdies when the putting is hot. Wayne would be another underdog pick who will probably be top 4 as well.

Insider tip to beat the vegas odds: Never bet on the TD (especially when the only time he has touched a disc in over a month was on a rolled ankle at Terror Creek :)

[Tim]

Yeah my money is on Old Man Whitney, unless he's under the weather...and then maybe. I wonder what his rating would be if he were actually PDGA....:chinscratch:

[ChUcK]

Wayne? 980-990. I'm going with Frank in the Bank.

[cefire]

I'll get the full bracket up in a little bit when I figure out how best to do that, in the meantime:

Wayne won it all in the main draw.
2 - Aaron Holley
3 - Ian M
4 - Alex

B Draw
1 - Thor
2 - Eric Mesford
3/4 - Jens & Ron B

C Draw
1 - Toby
2 - Ken S
3/4 -Mark B & Joe H




Seemed like people enjoyed the change of pace with the matchplay format - thanks for coming out everyone. It was nice to have near 32 players so that the bracket worked out evenly - although in the future, if I run another one, I'll have to do it pre-reg style so spots are guaranteed and I don't have to turn anyone away.

[Tim]

Ooooh, do I get a consolation prize for predicting the winner? If it counts for anything, I also foresaw that the Dude wouldn't hold up so well in a one-on-one with Gogo.

That was indeed a lot of fun, Andrew, thanks for putting it on. You're right, the Seattle area could use some more match play events. It was a great change of pace as well as a whole new perspective on competitive play. Can I prereg for the next one? :rockon:

[cefire]

I've attached jpegs of all the brackets to this post for those who are interested to see how it all went down :jumpspin: (FYI - You may have to hold CTRL while rolling up on the mousepad to zoom in to see the names well enough)


Tim: Hopefully you'll be registering soon - today was might prove to be a good test run for later. One of my favorite tournaments was a giant matchplay tourney in Madison called "Capital Cup". 128 people all in a giant matchplay bracket! Way fun, would be really cool to do something similar here over a weekend in the summer. Just an idea at this point, I haven't really thought about it yet.

[aaron]

the b bracket jpeg shows eric in 1st and i beat his old tired arse!!!! :biggrin2:

[cefire]

Fixed and enhanced just for you Thor! :)

[The Ombudsman]

Pfffttph. Wow, I don't see why a friendly, down-to-earth guy would jump to such an insulting conclusion. I know you've been around the disc golf block a few times, so how is it that you can't appreciate a less-experienced golfer's interest in seeing how some skilled players (schmucks, if you will) approach the course that just got the best of him twice?

Back in the olden days, there were no 'skilled players' to watch. I guess that is why I cannot appreciate your interest. We learned by throwing. I always had a disc in my hand or nearby. Playing catch is the single best thing anyone can do to learn how to throw. Period. Learn how to throw by throwing.
On a 150' or longer shot, all I think about is playing catch with the basket.

[Toby Puttzinski]

Come on Budsman, things have changed. Get with the program dude... it's the 90's!!

[killa]

I will be there to donate my $5-- bringing my C game -- sore thumb-- no grip and no confidence...

To be fair to the rest of us, you should have clarified that you meant your C-Bracket game, and that those "handicaps" were just meant to lull us all into false confidence... just joshin, nice work Toby.