Captain's Meeting Summary

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Here's a quick summary of what went on at the captain's meeting last
night. Please chime in with corrections, clarifications, and additions.

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

4. Much gnashing of teeth was done regarding how to achieve a better
split of teams between Sat/Sun. Here are some proposals:

A. Leave the split at 10/6 and use the following schedule:
Sunday teams play every other team once;
Saturday teams play every other team (except one) twice.

One unresolved issue here is that Team Skinny "has" to play on
Sunday yet there is another new team (3 C's & a D) that has more
"seniority" and also wants to take that last Sunday spot. The
remaining 9 Sunday spots are taken by teams from last year.

B. Force one or more Sunday teams to move to Saturday even if
that means those teams will have to replace players that
can't play on Saturday.

C. Each week have two teams from Sunday play on Saturday to make
an 8/8 split. This would allow mingling of teams from both
days which otherwise won't happen expect on Dec. 6th at
Horning's and the final at Milo.

The problem with this proposal is that some teams have players
that absolutely can't play on Saturdays.

D. Get two (or four) new teams to sign up for Saturday to help even
the days out.

One point regarding an uneven split that no one has raised yet is: how
do the year end championships get arranged? Historically the two
divisions have been evenly split and the first plays first, second
plays second, etc. With an uneven number of teams we can't do this.
One idea is to still have the two firsts play off for the championship
and then seed all the remaining teams by their point totals and have
3rd/4th play, 5th/6th play, etc.

[LegoRules]

Here's a quick summary of what went on at the captain's meeting last
night. Please chime in with corrections, clarifications, and additions.

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

4. Much gnashing of teeth was done regarding how to achieve a better
split of teams between Sat/Sun. Here are some proposals:

A. Leave the split at 10/6 and use the following schedule:
Sunday teams play every other team once;
Saturday teams play every other team (except one) twice.

One unresolved issue here is that Team Skinny "has" to play on
Sunday yet there is another new team (3 C's & a D) that has more
"seniority" and also wants to take that last Sunday spot. The
remaining 9 Sunday spots are taken by teams from last year.

B. Force one or more Sunday teams to move to Saturday even if
that means those teams will have to replace players that
can't play on Saturday.

C. Each week have two teams from Sunday play on Saturday to make
an 8/8 split. This would allow mingling of teams from both
days which otherwise won't happen expect on Dec. 6th at
Horning's and the final at Milo.

The problem with this proposal is that some teams have players
that absolutely can't play on Saturdays.

D. Get two (or four) new teams to sign up for Saturday to help even
the days out.

One point regarding an uneven split that no one has raised yet is: how
do the year end championships get arranged? Historically the two
divisions have been evenly split and the first plays first, second
plays second, etc. With an uneven number of teams we can't do this.
One idea is to still have the two firsts play off for the championship
and then seed all the remaining teams by their point totals and have
3rd/4th play, 5th/6th play, etc.

That's about the jist of it Jeff except I want to clarify that our team was willing to give up our rank for the 8/8 spit, but not so much for a 10/6 split. Not sure how the other new teams feel, but it is kinda unfair for a new team to come in and get to play on the big fat Sunday league while the rest of us have to play with just 6 teams. Let's just beat the drum hard for team disc golf, and maybe we can come up with a couple more teams. That would be the easiest solution to make it a 8/10 split at least. If that does not happen I would vote for C in that each week some Sunday teams play on Saturday. Obviously that would make it way more complicated to make up the schedule though.

Cindy :)

[Celeste]

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.

[Pizzel]

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.Hey Cappy-

Can you expand on how doubles will be incorporated this year. Will it be similar to last year with the addition of the rule noted above?

Thanks.

JP

[Jet]

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.
Prego's can still play. :laughing:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.

Thank God for the new rule! If anyone is gonna need a replacement for JAIL time it's D&D. :cool2:

Bob

[Minordiety]

Thank God for the new rule! If anyone is gonna need a replacement for JAIL time it's D&D. :cool2:

Bob

Yeah, Bob, but how the heck can you replace a whole team?

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Can you expand on how doubles will be incorporated this year. Will it be similar to last year with the addition of the rule noted above?
Yes. The handicap will be based on the difference in rating between the highest rated player on each doubles team (same as last year).

The new rule can be simply stated as: You must play singles if you're going to play doubles. If a player plays doubles in the morning round with the intent of playing singles in the afternoon but doesn't for some reason then we agreed that their team will forfeit the morning doubles result (as if they didn't field a doubles team at all).

[Pizzel]

Yes. The handicap will be based on the difference in rating between the highest rated player on each doubles team (same as last year).

The new rule can be simply stated as: You must play singles if you're going to play doubles. If a player plays doubles in the morning round with the intent of playing singles in the afternoon but doesn't for some reason then we agreed that their team will forfeit the morning doubles result (as if they didn't field a doubles team at all).Got it.....but can you expand on the overall format? For example, will there be four singles matches in the morning and afternoon and only doulbes matches if teams have enough players (like last year)? Spanks!

[jevon]

Got it.....but can you expand on the overall format? For example, will there be four singles matches in the morning and afternoon and only doulbes matches if teams have enough players (like last year)? Spanks!
Yes. You must have your four singles players before doubles can be played. One team MUST have at least 6 people in order to play doubles. If both teams only have 5 then there is no doubles match. You can't have two people playing Cali.

[kel]

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.

[jevon]

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.

Ha! Yeah, I'm pretty sure George was against it. Maybe Jeff didn't have his hearing aid turned up?

[Darr]

Ha! Yeah, I'm pretty sure George was against it. Maybe Jeff didn't have his hearing aid turned up?
He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule :rolleyes2::rolleyes2:

[D-Walk]

He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule :rolleyes2::rolleyes2:

So now the question is which team will be the first to club their weakest player like a baby seal to be able to replace them? :biggrin2:

Maybe we can get Tanya Harding to start up a Saturday team. :laughing:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!
OK, OK, so maybe I got the exact numbers wrong. It was a pretty lopsided vote. I wasn't taking notes so it's all from memory and we all know (especially Jevon) how bad my memory is, getting on in years like I am...

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.
Damn it Kel, can't you keep a secret! :o

["Over the Hill" Bob]

He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule :rolleyes2::rolleyes2:

Why does it always have to be about YOU, Darr? :nahnah:

Bob

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

There is one other solution to the Saturday/Sunday problem, and that is to go back to playing all the matches on SUNDAY like TDG was originally meant to be. This could easily be accomplished by alternating courses between the A and B leagues and I would be happy to help run the paperwork on the alternate course. I know there is ONE team that cannot play on Sunday, and I am sorry, but we are trying to find a solution that is for the better of ALL the teams and this might be the easiest. I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way. If that is the case this issue will rear its ugly head again next season. If we play two different courses every Sunday with the two opposing team captains contacting each other ahead of the match to confirm the location I think even the D and D's could show up to the correct course. I have volunteered to help out with running the deal at the alternate course, and I know there are others that would help also. I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

[Scotty B]

There is one other solution to the Saturday/Sunday problem, and that is to go back to playing all the matches on SUNDAY like TDG was originally meant to be. This could easily be accomplished by alternating courses between the A and B leagues and I would be happy to help run the paperwork on the alternate course. I know there is ONE team that cannot play on Sunday, and I am sorry, but we are trying to find a solution that is for the better of ALL the teams and this might be the easiest. I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way. If that is the case this issue will rear its ugly head again next season. If we play two different courses every Sunday with the two opposing team captains contacting each other ahead of the match to confirm the location I think even the D and D's could show up to the correct course. I have volunteered to help out with running the deal at the alternate course, and I know there are others that would help also. I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

Playing all the matches on sunday would eliminate some teams that can only play on saturday unless that is your intent. I will be more then happy to learn everything that it takes to run TDG and next year we can keep the 2 days seperate and hopefuly we can grow to be like the traditional sunday crew keep all your teams on sunday the solution was said in a post on this thread above. I believe that it stated to have both days first place teams play for the chamopionship and then it goes from point totals from the season seems easy enough that way we don't have to disrupt the sunday tradition cool.

[NWDiscer]

I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way.
Just who have you SPOKEN TO? Really i want to hear who these LONG TIME players are??

I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

And you presented this at the Captains meeting??

naw lets wait till after then bring it up again.......:whistler:

THERE WILL BE Sat/Sun of TDG

Here is a scenario for you if my team goes to the Dalles in week 1 and we have 70 sunny blue skies, then 2 weeks later your team goes to the Dalles and it is 35 with the winds blowing at 50 mph that is fair right??

[NWDiscer]

I will be more then happy to learn everything that it takes to run TDG and next year we can keep the 2 days seperate and hopefuly we can grow to be like the traditional sunday crew keep all your teams on sunday the solution was said in a post on this thread above.

Thanx for the offer Scotty

Keith Shupp and myself will be Co-TD-ing the Sat. version of TDG and between us we have 20+ years TDG under are belts...

So i think this will become way more fun than those on Sunday's could ever think of having.......:headbang:

:cheers:

:cheerleader::trophy::kissflowers::cheers:


:pirate:

[LegoRules]

I think that from here on out it any new teams that form for team disc golf should be for Saturday only. Also though there should be a path to Sunday's for Saturday teams who want to move to Sunday's in that if a spot opens up on Sunday Saturday team will have the opportunity to fill that spot based on seniority as to when the original time and date they posted their rosters.

Cindy :)

[NWDiscer]

I think that from here on out it any new teams that form for team disc golf should be for Saturday only. Also though there should be a path to Sunday's for Saturday teams who want to move to Sunday's in that if a spot opens up on Sunday Saturday team will have the opportunity to fill that spot based on seniority as to when the original time and date they posted their rosters.

Cindy :)


:yay::trophy:

Until we reach a balance. :cheers:

I think that it would have to be bal. each year from there on out at least 1/1

[Jet]

When I play on the Warped Rubber Putters in 2005/2006, we played some Saturday and some Sunday games.

[jevon]

Keith Shupp and myself will be Co-TD-ing the Sat. version of TDG ...So i think this will become way more fun than those on Sunday's could ever think of having.......:headbang:

Looks like Saturdays are gonna be a hoot! Breakfast at IHOP at 4am, quaffers of Geritol and prune juice, changing the Depends at lunch, clearing the mud out of your walker's wheels every other hole... Oh boy can I change days?!?!

[NWDiscer]

Looks like Saturdays are gonna be a hoot! Breakfast at IHOP at 4am, quaffers of Geritol and prune juice, changing the Depends at lunch, clearing the mud out of your walker's wheels every other hole... Oh boy can I change days?!?!

There ya go again Jev, you gotta quit hanging around with Hammerloins and his Team.....:cheerleader:

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

NWDiscer Posted this...
"Just who have you SPOKEN TO? Really i want to hear who these LONG TIME players are??"

First off why does it matter who the people are that want to keep TDG on Sunday are? Do you want to attack them on the boards? Of the people I have spoken to on this topic not one person wants to switch from Sunday to Saturday. Let me ask you, will your team move to saturday? If you will then thanks, if your answer is no then you just made my point.

"And you presented this at the Captains meeting??

naw lets wait till after then bring it up again.......:whistler:"

I did bring it up at the meeting, I guess you missed it. (insert icon here making you look like an idiot)

"THERE WILL BE Sat/Sun of TDG"

I find it interesting that not ONE established team wants to move to Saturday, yet you all are arguing for Saturday because three people on ONE of the new teams cannot play on Sunday. Let me repeat that in case you didn't catch it. Only ONE team has a few people that said they cannot play Sunday, and that is the Crazy 18 team.

"Here is a scenario for you if my team goes to the Dalles in week 1 and we have 70 sunny blue skies, then 2 weeks later your team goes to the Dalles and it is 35 with the winds blowing at 50 mph that is fair right??"

Your final point fails logically also as we all know the weather can change day to day in Oregon, so even if you played the dalles on Saturday in the sun, we could be playing the very next day in sideways rain and wind. So either scenario has the same possibility of what you say is "unfair."

I am making this point only as a solution for everyone, not because it is what I want. If we did move it to Sundays only I might need to replace a team member, and there is a chance I could miss one week. I just want to keep all options open that is all.

[Sausage Fingers]

Here's a quick summary of what went on at the captain's meeting last
night. Please chime in with corrections, clarifications, and additions.

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

4. Much gnashing of teeth was done regarding how to achieve a better
split of teams between Sat/Sun. Here are some proposals:

A. Leave the split at 10/6 and use the following schedule:
Sunday teams play every other team once;
Saturday teams play every other team (except one) twice.

One unresolved issue here is that Team Skinny "has" to play on
Sunday yet there is another new team (3 C's & a D) that has more
"seniority" and also wants to take that last Sunday spot. The
remaining 9 Sunday spots are taken by teams from last year.

B. Force one or more Sunday teams to move to Saturday even if
that means those teams will have to replace players that
can't play on Saturday.

C. Each week have two teams from Sunday play on Saturday to make
an 8/8 split. This would allow mingling of teams from both
days which otherwise won't happen expect on Dec. 6th at
Horning's and the final at Milo.

The problem with this proposal is that some teams have players
that absolutely can't play on Saturdays.

D. Get two (or four) new teams to sign up for Saturday to help even
the days out.

One point regarding an uneven split that no one has raised yet is: how
do the year end championships get arranged? Historically the two
divisions have been evenly split and the first plays first, second
plays second, etc. With an uneven number of teams we can't do this.
One idea is to still have the two firsts play off for the championship
and then seed all the remaining teams by their point totals and have
3rd/4th play, 5th/6th play, etc.

I am pretty sure that the scoring for TDG was changed too. We are switching to a Win/Loss/Tie method of determining the winners in each division with Match Points being the tiebreaker between even WLT records.

Currently the teams are split 10/6 by days and then will divide into 2 divisions. Saturday teams will be Locasta & Glinda while Sunday teams will be Sally & Elphaba. Division placement will be by result of the prelims like last year.
The Day League champions will be determined by the best record between the top two teams in each division. The Day League champions will play each other in the Championship match while the other division winners play for third place. This will continue down the line until the last two teams from Sunday play each other for DFL.

:yay::cheerleader::rockon:There is still time for players who want to join but don't have a team to show up on Saturday! If we get enough we could form two more teams! I still have hope! Keep hope alive!:yay::cheerleader::rockon:

:pirate:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I am pretty sure that the scoring for TDG was changed too. We are switching to a Win/Loss/Tie method of determining the winners in each division with Match Points being the tiebreaker between even WLT records.
I recall this being discussed but not finalized or voted on. Sounds like you're making an executive on this issue: fair enough. I personally would prefer to use all match points in the standings as in years past. You usually make at least one rule change each year that I hate so here is it.:mad: I'll get over it...

[Sausage Fingers]

I recall this being discussed but not finalized or voted on. Sounds like you're making an executive on this issue: fair enough. I personally would prefer to use all match points in the standings as in years past. You usually make at least one rule change each year that I hate so here is it.:mad: I'll get over it...

This was going to be named the Asshole Casserole rule. It makes the match point discrepancy when 1 team stops showing up have a little less impact on who wins TDG. At least I hope that it does/will...

Besides, it's not Team Disc Golf if Hemmy's panties aren't in a bunch...:pirate:

[NWDiscer]

Besides, it's not Team Disc Golf if Hemmy's panties aren't in a bunch...:pirate:



or at least getting damp......:shocked::puke:
:yawn:

[keith_shupp]

or at least getting damp......:shocked::puke:
:yawn:

There is no Damp just dust coming out of something that old.:explode:

[Darr]

I am pretty sure that the scoring for TDG was changed too. We are switching to a Win/Loss/Tie method of determining the winners in each division with Match Points being the tiebreaker between even WLT records.


Is the tiebreaker on a split match still total strokes. Under this new method will the seven man point not count, or will it be used as a tiebreaker additionally? This seems to have potential for :rockon::rockon: or :headbang::headbang:

[Sausage Fingers]

Is the tiebreaker on a split match still total strokes. Under this new method will the seven man point not count, or will it be used as a tiebreaker additionally? This seems to have potential for :rockon::rockon: or :headbang::headbang:

Nothing has changed to the order of deciding match points.
1)Players compete for points in morning rounds and afternoon rounds.
2)The team that won the most match points gets awarded a Bonus Point.
2a) If the totals of the match points awarded for play are tied then total strokes decides which team gets the Bonus match point.
3)Then all teams are awarded the 7 Player Bonus point that qualify.
4)The result gives you a win/loss/tie outcome that we are basing TDG on this year.
4a) If at the end of the season 2 or more teams have the same win/loss/tie record total Match Points will be the tiebreaker.:pirate:

[D-Walk]

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.


Lame sauce! This shoud seriously be looked at before next season. :slapface:

[Jonesy]

how about just followed too the letter.
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[motherhucker]

As long as people don't have the ability to see into the future, the rule should stay in place. Or you could have the alternate rule that if a player moves, gets injured or gets a different job, then the team is short a player, but still gets a 7 man point if the rest of the team shows up.

For example, Player Y gets a new job, leaving his team Stinky Cheese short one player for the rest of the season. Under this proposal, as long as Stinky Cheese fields 6 players (and everyone plays singles), Stinky Cheese gets the 7 man point.

Would that be a bit more fair?

[LegoRules]

As long as people don't have the ability to see into the future, the rule should stay in place. Or you could have the alternate rule that if a player moves, gets injured or gets a different job, then the team is short a player, but still gets a 7 man point if the rest of the team shows up.

For example, Player Y gets a new job, leaving his team Stinky Cheese short one player for the rest of the season. Under this proposal, as long as Stinky Cheese fields 6 players (and everyone plays singles), Stinky Cheese gets the 7 man point.

Would that be a bit more fair?

I don't think D-Walk's comment had anything to do with the 7th man point. The injury replacement rule is what D was referring to I believe. The rule is fine, but it needs to be more defined. Seems like teams have been replacing players willy nilly lately, and using it too liberally. Also teams should not get to a match to find out that the team they are playing had replaced a player. This information should be known in advance, so that replacement players can have official team golf ratings. I mean some of us take the time to figure out the handicaps for each of their players ahead of time. Just something that maybe can be discussed before next season. Like I think it was said earlier in the season it just keeps getting better and better, and we all appreciate all that the volunteers, (Jordan, Keith, Jeff, Cindy, Antonia, .....) do to make team golf possible. :yay:

Cindy :)

[Maidenrules]

I don't think D-Walk's comment had anything to do with the 7th man point. The injury replacement rule is what D was referring to I believe. The rule is fine, but it needs to be more defined. Seems like teams have been replacing players willy nilly lately, and using it too liberally. Also teams should not get to a match to find out that the team they are playing had replaced a player. This information should be known in advance, so that replacement players can have official team golf ratings. I mean some of us take the time to figure out the handicaps for each of their players ahead of time. Just something that maybe can be discussed before next season. Like I think it was said earlier in the season it just keeps getting better and better, and we all appreciate all that the volunteers, (Jordan, Keith, Jeff, Cindy, Antonia, .....) do to make team golf possible. :yay:

Cindy :)
I just thought it was funny that someone who hasn't thrown a disc since September stirred up such a controversy.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I just thought it was funny that someone who hasn't thrown a disc since September stirred up such a controversy.

You're just BAD ASS! :rockon::rockon::rockon:

Bob :)

[Jet]

I just thought it was funny that someone who hasn't thrown a disc since September stirred up such a controversy.
You just like to stir up controversy everywhere you go. :laughing: It was great to see you out playing in your off season. :yay:

[Celeste]

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.



This was discussed during Jeff's nap time and the rule was actually replacements due to moving out of state, not Vancouver, or injury that prevented someone from playing for the remainder of the season not just a couple matches. The rule could possibly be ammended next year to have a cutoff date.

Who was replaced this time? What was the situation?

PS- Saturday teams- chill out and quit breaking yourselves.

[Will of Doom]

This was discussed during Jeff's nap time and the rule was actually replacements due to moving out of state, not Vancouver, or injury that prevented someone from playing for the remainder of the season not just a couple matches. The rule could possibly be ammended next year to have a cutoff date.

Who was replaced this time? What was the situation?

PS- Saturday teams- chill out and quit breaking yourselves.
But it's fun! :D

[motherhucker]

I don't think D-Walk's comment had anything to do with the 7th man point. The injury replacement rule is what D was referring to I believe. The rule is fine, but it needs to be more defined. Seems like teams have been replacing players willy nilly lately, and using it too liberally. Also teams should not get to a match to find out that the team they are playing had replaced a player. This information should be known in advance, so that replacement players can have official team golf ratings. I mean some of us take the time to figure out the handicaps for each of their players ahead of time. Just something that maybe can be discussed before next season. Like I think it was said earlier in the season it just keeps getting better and better, and we all appreciate all that the volunteers, (Jordan, Keith, Jeff, Cindy, Antonia, .....) do to make team golf possible. :yay:

Cindy :)

Cindy, I was referring to the injury replacement rule. I said that it should remain. Or offer the alternative of abolishing it, but not penalizing the rest of the team.

In years past, there was no replacement rule. If a player was injured, they played, or the team didn't collect the 7 man point. If a player got a new job or moved away, then the team was penalized because 1) they can no longer field a team of 7 and therefore can't collect the match point, 2) all remaining players are forced to play both rounds and 3) it reduces the maximum number of points a team can earn.

For example, in Bob's first year playing team golf, his team only collected the 7 man point once (the first match of the season). After that, work schedules, disinterest and such caused other team members to stop coming. At one point, Bob was the only member of the team to show up. So not only did the team lose the 7 man point, but they could only potentially win 2 match points (assuming my hubby won both his matches.) That's basically an automatic win for the other team.

There are two big controversies this year, IMHO. The first is the injury replacement rule, the second is the 7 man point being used to determine the outcome of matches.

Should there be a cutoff? I don't think so. If an NBA team were to go into the playoffs with only 8 men available for play, I'm sure they'd be allowed to recruit an additional player to replace them.

Should the other team be given notice? Again, I don't think it's entirely necessary. And sometimes, it may well be a last minute decision made by either the player (the one leaving or the one coming in) or the captain. Starting lineups in the NBA and NFL often change. I rather doubt that the opposing teams are always informed of these changes ahead of time. (Though they may find out about it on ESPN.)

My proposal then, might help solve both of these controversies. The replacement rule is eliminated, but the team is not penalized for being short a player for valid reasons. (injury, relocation, work).

I might also propose that moving be further amended not to 'moving out of state', but moving more than X number of miles. If a player moves to Grants Pass (4.5 hours one direction) , it would definitely be more difficult for them to come play in Team Golf every week.

Just my .02 American.

[Jonesy]

if you change the extra point rule then every team that shows up with 6 people will whine till they get the extra point and those of us who "give a shit about the rules" will be right back here. lets not complicate it with more "ifs" and "whens". the rules are simple as they stand. the issue is compliance! you may replace a player if someone is unable to playout the season for 2 reasons, injury or distance from portland. you get an extra point for playing 7 people in singles. why is this hard? "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"
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[LegoRules]

if you change the extra point rule then every team that shows up with 6 people will whine till they get the extra point and those of us who "give a shit about the rules" will be right back here. lets not complicate it with more "ifs" and "whens". the rules are simple as they stand. the issue is compliance! you may replace a player if someone is unable to playout the season for 2 reasons, injury or distance from portland. you get an extra point for playing 7 people in singles. why is this hard? "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

What he said :yay:

Cindy :)

[Minordiety]

This was discussed during Jeff's nap time and the rule was actually replacements due to moving out of state, not Vancouver, or injury that prevented someone from playing for the remainder of the season not just a couple matches. The rule could possibly be ammended next year to have a cutoff date.

Who was replaced this time? What was the situation?

PS- Saturday teams- chill out and quit breaking yourselves.


Celeste,

Who's breaking themselves? Most just want to play and have some fun just like D&D (who may not be broken but are definitely cracked.):biggrin2:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Wow! Talk about MIRACLES, I ran into James Moore at Milo today, and his ankle has healed up. Seems MAYBE VT replaced him too soon? Just saying! :bricks:

Bob

[Sausage Fingers]

Wow! Talk about MIRACLES, I ran into James Moore at Milo today, and his ankle has healed up. Seems MAYBE VT replaced him too soon? Just saying! :bricks:

Bob

Yeah and Will Odom shot a 980+ rated round out at N Bonne, so what is your point? They were both replaced, big whup. I really don't get the big deal out of replacing players. Why is everyone so bent out of shape over this new rule?

But the most ironic post in this whole thread came from Darr way back in October:Is the tiebreaker on a split match still total strokes. Under this new method will the seven man point not count, or will it be used as a tiebreaker additionally? This seems to have potential for :rockon::rockon: or :headbang::headbang:
I'm pretty sure that would now be changed to :headbang::headbang::headbang:

There is always next year for rule changes. Maybe we should have multiple captain's meetings...:pirate:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Yeah and Will Odom shot a 980+ rated round out at N Bonne, so what is your point? They were both replaced, big whup. I really don't get the big deal out of replacing players. Why is everyone so bent out of shape over this new rule?

But the most ironic post in this whole thread came from Darr way back in October:
I'm pretty sure that would now be changed to :headbang::headbang::headbang:

There is always next year for rule changes. Maybe we should have multiple captain's meetings...:pirate:

Hey, all I'm doing is stirring the pot, I really could give a whoop-ti-dooooo! :laughing:I just show up and throw Frisbee's with whom ever Celeste matches me up against. :rockon:Since I don't drink, I can't be Drunker, so I stir the pot and be the Disorderlier one. :rockon:

Bob

ps...........:kissflowers:Luv ya man!:kissflowers:

[Jonesy]

if we all vote on a rule that says anyone can be replaced for any reason at any time then I'll defend that rule being broken. that is not what the rule we all voted on says.
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[Celeste]

Wow! Talk about MIRACLES, I ran into James Moore at Milo today, and his ankle has healed up. Seems MAYBE VT replaced him too soon? Just saying! :bricks:

Bob

Lame. First time a team does it I can kinda sorta understand an oops we didn't understand the rule. But this is just crap. VT isn't a new team and they certainly know better than this.
I'm leaning towards take the replacement rule away next year.

[LegoRules]

Lame. First time a team does it I can kinda sorta understand an oops we didn't understand the rule. But this is just crap. VT isn't a new team and they certainly know better than this.
I'm leaning towards take the replacement rule away next year.


I am with you Celeste also leaning towards voting that rule out for next year.

Cindy :)

[Sausage Fingers]

if we all vote on a rule that says anyone can be replaced for any reason at any time then I'll defend that rule being broken. that is not what the rule we all voted on says.

Funny how I never saw the printed ballot describing the exact wording of the rule that we all voted on. And other than this poor thread, there aren't really any printed rules for our league this year. All I remember from the captain's meeting was Jevon's fine hospitality.

On an unrelated note, TDG is looking for someone to help compile the rules...:whistler:

:pirate:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Funny how I never saw the printed ballot describing the exact wording of the rule that we all voted on. And other than this poor thread, there aren't really any printed rules for our league this year. All I remember from the captain's meeting was Jevon's fine hospitality.

On an unrelated note, TDG is looking for someone to help compile the rules...:whistler:

:pirate:

This should be all we need:

Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
I’ll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.

Bob:cop:

[Sausage Fingers]

This should be all we need:

Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
I’ll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.

Bob:cop:

O unrightful judge!
This forfeiture is set in iron law
As drawn by great authority of league.

Now the iron law of ninepins cannot be disputed, but the TDG rules are more like a soft tin. One hint might be that we don't really have a printed set of rules for this year.:pirate:

[motherhucker]

On an unrelated note, TDG is looking for someone to help compile the rules...:whistler: :pirate:

Being a relatively impartial party, I'm willing to help compile the rules.

And I'd like to say that my hubby reminded me that he'd brought up the concept of a reserve player pool. This would be a group of players not assigned to a team that would be used to fill in the ranks of a team missing a player for any reason (flaking, injury, work, illness) The team would NOT be awarded the 7 man point (they're effectively borrowing a player), but they would have the additional player and thus the potential of winning a match point that might have ordinarily been forfeited.

This could be used either in addition to or instead of the current replacement rule.

Perhaps the replacement rule could include the caveat that once the decision is made, the team is no longer eligible for the 7 man point. Or that both the player and the captain have to mutually agree to the replacement being made.

[Minordiety]

Being a relatively impartial party, I'm willing to help compile the rules.

And I'd like to say that my hubby reminded me that he'd brought up the concept of a reserve player pool. This would be a group of players not assigned to a team that would be used to fill in the ranks of a team missing a player for any reason (flaking, injury, work, illness) The team would NOT be awarded the 7 man point (they're effectively borrowing a player), but they would have the additional player and thus the potential of winning a match point that might have ordinarily been forfeited.

This could be used either in addition to or instead of the current replacement rule.

Perhaps the replacement rule could include the caveat that once the decision is made, the team is no longer eligible for the 7 man point. Or that both the player and the captain have to mutually agree to the replacement being made.

Why not just have an 8th man on the team who can act as a sub when he/she is needed? Still would have to be on the roster at the beginning of the season though. That might help clear up some of the confusion and griping.

Personally, I'm gonna bring my best game(theoretically) no matter who I'm playing and it really doesn't matter if I know who it is beforehand or not.

[Darr]

Personally, I'm gonna bring my best game(theoretically) no matter who I'm playing and it really doesn't matter if I know who it is beforehand or not.
You sound like you play on Sundays :wink2:

[olydiscgolf]

In WA TDG, we've had two people get injured and need to be replaced. I made the ruling that there may be an injury replacement made by the captain of the team. Also, the replacement must play out the rest of the season (unless of course he/she gets injures also). I've also asked the captains to substitute with PDGA rated players to help with an established rating. We also have the rule that a player must have at least two TDG rated rounds to compete in the final event. This eliminates a team from subbing out to an unrated ringer for the final event.

[Sausage Fingers]

In WA TDG, we've had two people get injured and need to be replaced. I made the ruling that there may be an injury replacement made by the captain of the team. Also, the replacement must play out the rest of the season (unless of course he/she gets injures also). I've also asked the captains to substitute with PDGA rated players to help with an established rating. We also have the rule that a player must have at least two TDG rated rounds to compete in the final event. This eliminates a team from subbing out to an unrated ringer for the final event.

And what?!?! no calls for the tar & feathering of the commish on theses intertubes? :shocked:

maybe you WA guys aren't doing it right yet...:pirate:

[jevon]

In WA TDG, we've had two people get injured and need to be replaced. I made the ruling that there may be an injury replacement made by the captain of the team.
Don't you guys start the season with 9 people per team? Why would an injury replacement be necessary if you already have extra people on the bench?

[DanD]

I've got an extra chill pill if anyone needs it....

[jevon]

I've got an extra chill pill if anyone needs it....
I'll take two!

[Minordiety]

You sound like you play on Sundays :wink2:

Is that kind of like looking California and feeling Minnesota?

[Kevin Madrid]

I've got an extra chill pill if anyone needs it....

No thank you... I'll take a couple of cookies instead or rice crispy treats :drool: :wink2:

:cool2:

[jevon]

That reminds me. I have a couple of those crispy treats in my trunk still. Looks like I know what I'm having for dinner!

[Will of Doom]

Yeah and Will Odom shot a 980+ rated round out at N Bonne, so what is your point? They were both replaced, big whup. I really don't get the big deal out of replacing players. Why is everyone so bent out of shape over this new rule?

But the most ironic post in this whole thread came from Darr way back in October:
I'm pretty sure that would now be changed to :headbang::headbang::headbang:

There is always next year for rule changes. Maybe we should have multiple captain's meetings...:pirate:

Actually I shot 2 980+ rated rounds :rockon:

[olydiscgolf]

Don't you guys start the season with 9 people per team? Why would an injury replacement be necessary if you already have extra people on the bench?

We do start with 9 and we also have a 9 man bonus point. Injury replacement keeps the bonus point alive for everybody.

[Bruce]

I'm a little flattered over all this fuss about me joining VT...even if I do play terrible golf in the wet seasons.

[jevon]

We do start with 9 and we also have a 9 man bonus point. Injury replacement keeps the bonus point alive for everybody.
Ah, I suppose I should brush up on your rules before I speak. :slapface: