boss

[REDFIVE]

I picked up a Boss with very low expectations since I cannot stand the excaliber and find the destroyer mediocre. I was and still am amazed. This disc is amazing. :bowing: I was throwing the wraith for distance and the Boss is adding 30-50 to my drives. The disc is very easy to throw(if you can get it up to speed). It reminds me of a Valk in the way it picks up and pulls itself to the right and as long as you get enough height on it when it slows down it will crush back. I can throw it farther with less effort. I recommend this disc to those who throw a comfortable 375-400. It is amazing!

[Sam]

Well, I wouldn't call it a comfortable 375-400 but I am convinced that the disc is worth a try, now.

Thanks! :cheers:

[Pizzel]

I really, really, really didn't want to jump on another "new disc band wagon", but I have been impressed with the Boss. Anybody have feedback on how well it holds up in windy conditions?

[Brody Cannon]

Mine is really flippy... like a wraith.

[zippyboy]

I really, really, really didn't want to jump on another "new disc band wagon", but I have been impressed with the Boss. Anybody have feedback on how well it holds up in windy conditions?

I completely understand this sentiment. Gotta have this, gotta have that. This does this, this does that. What I want to know is, what standards are in place to rate a disc's speed? The Boss is supposedly a speed 13 disc. Ok. Great. So if Ol' Bob ever makes a disc, can we arbitrairily give it a speed of 42? Stupid new discs, and their shineyness, and my lack of willpower. Yeah, I ordered one. I am a dumb human. :slapface:

[Ol' Bob]

Rating 'speed' cracks me up. I would posit that any disc of a certain weight, thrown identically by the same arm would have a similar innitial speed. Now if they rated 'drag,' then speed, after a given interval, should inversely vary to the drag number. I know the speed of all my discs: slow.

[proto something or other]

I would posit that any disc of a certain weight, thrown identically by the same arm would have a similar innitial speed.

A few years ago, Theo would bring the radar/speed gun out to every tournament. He measured the speed really, really close to the release point. I saw Avery get into the 70mph range with various drivers, with a putter, and into the high 60mph range with an ultimate disc.

I think your theory on initial speed is probably right.

[Adam Schneider]

The Boss is supposedly a speed 13 disc. Ok. Great. So if Ol' Bob ever makes a disc, can we arbitrairily give it a speed of 42?
Only if the rim is about 8cm wide. Turns out Innova's "speed" rating for distance drivers is basically a factor of the wing width.

[zippyboy]

Only if the rim is about 8cm wide. Turns out Innova's "speed" rating for distance drivers is basically a factor of the wing width.

Seriously?!?! This is the main component in rating the disc's speed? Its wing width?!?! God damn I hate disc manufacturers (most often, Innova). Bob, lets start working on that disc...

[Eric Olson]

pulled from Disc Golf Review:
(The numbers are referring to cm.)

here is the "secret" of speed in case there is someone on the planet that does not already know this...
Speed =rim thickness (+/- 0.1 in the case of overstable or understable discs) -1, then move the decimal place one space to the right. Call it Innova math. Laughing

Fairway drivers are defined by Innova marketing as Speed 5-7 discs
Raven, Rim 1.6, Speed 5 (large diameter, makes a disc slower)
Viper, Rim 1.6, Speed 5 (large diameter)
Leopard, Rim 1.6, Speed 6
Cheetah, Rim 1.6, Speed 6
Gazelle, Rim 1.6, Speed 6
Whippet, Rim 1.7, Speed 6
TL, Rim 1.8, Speed 7
Eagle, Rim 1.7, Speed 7
Pegasus, Rim 1.7, Speed 7
TeeBird, Rim1.7, Speed 7
Banshee, Rim 1.8, Speed 7

Distance Drivers are defined by Innova marketing as Speed 8 discs or above
Archangel, Rim 1.9, Speed 8
Dragon, Rim 1.8, Speed 8
Roadrunner, Rim 1.8, Speed 9
Sidewinder, Rim 1.8, Speed 9
Valkyrie, Rim 1.9, Speed 9
Viking, Rim 1.9, Speed 9
FL, Rim 1.9, Speed 9
Firebird, Rim 1.9, Speed 9
Beast, Rim 2.0, Speed 10
SL, Rim 2.0, Speed 10
Orc, Rim 2.0, Speed 10
Starfire, Rim 2.0, Speed 10
Monster, Rim2.0, Speed 10
Wraith, Rim 2.1, Speed 11
TeeRex, Rim 2.2, Speed 11
Max, Rim 2.2, Speed 11
Destroyer, Rim 2.2, Speed 12
XCaliber, Rim 2.3, Speed 12

So it is really that easy. Big rim, fast disc.

[zippyboy]

pulled from Disc Golf Review:
(The numbers are referring to cm.)

Thankfully the original post you quoted from was worded condecendingly enough that I feel like a moron for even having asked. That being said, thanks for the info Eric.

[Ol' Bob]

Speed is a sexier word than fatness. What else would we expect from a disc marketing company? They know we're mostly idiots. Every day I'm more convinced that I've somehow gotten off on the wrong goddamned planet. Time to drink a Red Bull, drop an Enzite, and say "f*@! it all."

[Ol' Bob]

I saw Avery get into the 70mph range with various drivers, with a putter, and into the high 60mph range with an ultimate disc.

Makes perfect sense. A disc with significantly higher drag or weight would slow arm/release speed.

[Eric Olson]

Thankfully the original post you quoted from was worded condecendingly enough that I feel like a moron for even having asked. That being said, thanks for the info Eric.You should feel smart for asking the right questions instead of feeling like a moron. It's a good question to ask, and I'm not sure why the post I quoted was worded in way to make it sound like something everybody already knows.

[Adam Schneider]

The problem with them calling it "speed" is just that it's not a measure of the disc's speed out of your hand; it's more like "this is the speed at which you need to be throwing in order to make this disc do what it's designed to do." I don't understand the physics of it, but obviously a wider rim is affecting some variable that's speed-sensitive.

[jevon]

According to discgolfcenter.com, speed is "How quickly a disc slows down as it moves forward. Low numbers lose speed quickly, high numbers lose speed slowly."

[Ol' Bob]

According to discgolfcenter.com, speed is "How quickly a disc slows down as it moves forward."

IOW, drag. The numbers just function inversely.

[Ol' Bob]

The problem with them calling it "speed" is just that it's not a measure of the disc's speed out of your hand; it's more like "this is the speed at which you need to be throwing in order to make this disc do what it's designed to do." I don't understand the physics of it, but obviously a wider rim is affecting some variable that's speed-sensitive.

It's obviously drag that's being affected. I wouldn't doubt that the sharpness of the edge has an effect in this department as well.

The amount of snap/spin will probably also affect the speed at which a given disc works best, as well as the airspeed.

[zippyboy]

It's obviously drag that's being affected. I wouldn't doubt that the sharpness of the edge has an effect in this department as well.

The amount of snap/spin will probably also affect the speed at which a given disc works best, as well as the airspeed.


See now, this makes quite a bit more sense. However, as Bob noted in one of his earlier posts, they are in the business of marketing discs. Discussing a disc's drag does not have the same effect as discussing its speed. Maybe the Boss has electrolytes. Its what disc golfers want.

[jevon]

Maybe the Boss has electrolytes. Its what disc golfers want.BRAWNDO!!!

[Darr]

BRAWNDO!!!

The fairway mutilator!

[Bruce]

Okay, so after another 40 some holes spent at McIver, throwing my new Bosses (yes all 6 of them) Sometimes up to six times per hole I will make a recommend something: If you do not throw in the upper 300's with EASE, do not buy this disc. I'm not talking about yeah I can wrench on a disc and hit 400 feet from time to time. I'm talking about consistent upper 300's without really thinking about it.

If you are looking for a disc that you can torque on, and it stay overstable the entire length of its flight, this is not the disc for you.

It took me all of 6 throws and some consistent 500+ foot drives to have me hooked. I played around with some slower arm speed throws and at slow speeds it reminds me of a champion destroyer. But once you power up on this disc it does turn over, out of control turnover? No.

Keep this disc low to the ground and it flat out halls ass. You guys all know the long island hole at McIver, the temp hole. I threw a drive about 8 feet off the ground and was inside jump putting range. This disc glides, a lot. Is it what I was expecting? No. But after playing around, and throwing some 100 + drives with it, my destroyers are gone, save my flippy one.

These are my thoughts and my assumptions only, read into them at your own wishes and or desires. Hell ignore them for all I care. But this is a solid disc for people with higher armspeeds.

Feel free to ask me any questions if you have them as I continue to demo my new loves.
P.s. The wider rim, at least to me is easier to throw than a Destroyer or Wraith...T-bird, Mosters, Boss, the only drivers that will be in my bag, save my sexy SE Leopard. Until Innova comes out with something else new and sexy that, I will buy way more than I need....

[Micah]

Are all six of your boss's similar to each other in stability? I assume they are all max weight, what colors are you using?

[Bruce]

Alright, I have a clear, day glow yellow, autumn is orange/brown, a blue first run champ, another blue and a purple. The blue first run being the most stable of the batch, a bigger dome than the rest. the day glow yellow being the flattest and least over stable. I threw the first run more than most but it will never get thrown near a tree. I liked the yellow one...alot as well. Added about 50+ feet to my sidearm over some of my best destroyer side arm drives. had a few push into the 430 range.

P.s. The weights on EVERY boss I have picked up, all 150+ are wrong. So I weighed each one before picking out the dozen I had bought. All 12 weighed in at 174, ranging from 175-170 in Innova written weight.

[Bruce]

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[REDFIVE]

told ya.

[JMittl]

[QUOTE=Bruce;2619]
Keep this disc low to the ground and it flat out halls ass. You guys all know the long island hole at McIver, the temp hole. I threw a drive about 8 feet off the ground and was inside jump putting range. This disc glides, a lot. Is it what I was expecting? No. But after playing around, and throwing some 100 + drives with it, my destroyers are gone, save my flippy one.


Bruce, I'd be interested in your Destroyers.

[Ol' Bob]

...unless they are already Destroyees.

[Sam]

I threw Bruce's day-glow yellow one.

YUM!

[Micah]

I don't use the destroyer, I tried it out and decided that I didn't believe it gave me an appreciable advantage over my teerex's, They were similar in length but less controllable, less consistent (more nose angle dependent) and had less overall glide. The excaliber was similar, though controllable and more consistent it lacked glide and thus distance for my armspeed (420-440 average golf D). I had assumed the boss would be similar, and this was the case for the proto's I through. The actual release of the disc is a different animal. The stability is similar to my worked in teerex's more stable than a new wraith but not by much. I need to pick a few up and try them out more extensively at this point I could see them taking the place of my rex's, that would be fairly impressive. I can't wait to see them in star.