Hab/Rec Fall Open - October 3

[buckley]

The 8th annual Hab/Rec Fall Open is approaching! Once again, the event is presented by Next Adventure, and it takes place on the first Saturday in October -- Oct 3, 2009. As always it's a one-day event.

Registration is now open.

You can go to http://nextadventure.net/ for registration details. You can sign up online at next's website, or print up the flyer on the website and mail it in, or sign up in person at Next Adventure, corner of SE Stark & Grand.

See you at McIver!

[Bullseye]

The 8th annual Hab/Rec Fall Open is approaching! Once again, the event is presented by Next Adventure, and it takes place on the first Saturday in October -- Oct 3, 2009. As always it's a one-day event.

Registration is now open.

You can go to http://nextadventure.net/ for registration details. You can sign up online at next's website, or print up the flyer on the website and mail it in, or sign up in person at Next Adventure, corner of SE Stark & Grand.

See you at McIver!



On the same day as the Willamette Open??? Not cool. :angry:

[Trozzle!!!]

Honestly I like the idea of it being on the same day as the WO. since the WO is doing qualifier tourneys this year, it will most likely be filled before any online registration can be opened. Hab Rac on the same day will give those who dont qualify, or who wont make it in for any online registration another chance at a tourney. I know I am gonna get some heat from saying this, but I dont care, I can take it.

[Magilla]

On the same day as the Willamette Open??? Not cool. :angry:

Id have to agree...VERY BAD move.

Im hoping that it is an oversite..??. :o AND that the date will be adjusted.
It is quite possible that they looked at the ORS website and didnt think it would be a conflict.

Knowing the relationship that NextAdventure has with Stumptown.. :whistler: .. someone, just might be able to "fix" the problem with a little care in the right direction.. :kissflowers: :whistler:

:cheers:

[Sam]

Yeah. Would have to go to WO which would suck. Sorry, Patrick...

[Flash]

The Hab Rec is not a Stumptown event, Patrick Buckley is the owner of the event and has run it for as long as I can remember. If the event has run on the first Saturday of October since it was first run it would bullish to ask Patrick to move.

I am sure something can be worked out, if they end up on the same day so be it!

[TreeLove]

I too hope one of these 2 events changes dates!

Mike's seemingly arbitrary reasons for bouncing the WO date around have never made sense to me. Football games? Historic weather patterns? So what?

On the flip side: Calendar event creation dates:

WO: Created: 2009-01-09 21:14:15
Hab/Rec: Created: 2009-08-17 23:46:57

I hope this gets worked out amicably.

[Matt B.]

The 8th annual Hab/Rec Fall Open is approaching! Once again, the event is presented by Next Adventure, and it takes place on the first Saturday in October -- Oct 3, 2009. As always it's a one-day event.

Registration is now open.

You can go to http://nextadventure.net/ for registration details. You can sign up online at next's website, or print up the flyer on the website and mail it in, or sign up in person at Next Adventure, corner of SE Stark & Grand.

See you at McIver!

Same day as WOXI....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:smash::s mash::smash::headbang::headbang::headbang::shocked ::shocked::shocked::smash::smash::smash::waaah::wa aah::waaah::waaah::waaah::waaah::angry::angry:

I had so much fun at my first Hab/Rec last year, but I'm definitely playing WOXI as it is one of the best tournaments of the year. Please please please.

[Bullseye]

The Hab Rec is not a Stumptown event, Patrick Buckley is the owner of the event and has run it for as long as I can remember. If the event has run on the first Saturday of October since it was first run it would bullish to ask Patrick to move.

I am sure something can be worked out, if they end up on the same day so be it!

Regardless of whether Hab-Rec has always been on one particular date or not, the Willamette Open has been on the schedule for a long time. This conflict could have been EASILY avoided since the Hab-Rec date was only announced YESTERDAY.

[Magilla]

Regardless of whether Hab-Rec has always been on one particular date or not, the Willamette Open has been on the schedule for a long time. This conflict could have been EASILY avoided since the Hab-Rec date was only announced YESTERDAY.

Dont ya just love it when the Disc Golf community works together....

:headbang::bricks: :nono: :pullhair: :nahnah:

:explode:

[Flatroc]

I could be mistaken but I think there's a thread out there that pertains to this discussion. :whistler:
I'm a firm believer that if a gig has had a specific date/weekend for more than a few years that event should NOT have to change.
New events and bounced around event dates should try and fit in as they can.
If not, oh well choice is good, it's the choosing that's tough. :chinscratch:
Are you writing all these dates down Mike? :posting:

[Scott]

I could be mistaken but I think there's a thread out there that pertains to this discussion. :whistler:
I'm a firm believer that if a gig has had a specific date/weekend for more than a few years that event should NOT have to change.
New events and bounced around event dates should try and fit in as they can.
If not, oh well choice is good, it's the choosing that's tough. :chinscratch:
Are you writing all these dates down Mike? :posting:

How on earth is a TD in Albany supposed to know that Hab/Rec in Estacada is always the first Saturday in October if it was not on the calendar?

[all2common]

I'll be at the Willamette Open.

[TreeLove]

If an event is held on the same date/weekend each year, it should be easy for the TD to submit the event date well in advance.

[Sam]

I really hope Patrick decides to change his date. That said, I know that there are flyers out there already (saw one yesterday) and I am thinking that this will be a Hab/Rec that I will sadly miss. Fortunately, there are two other tournaments at Milo this fall. :drool:

[all2common]

You could look at it this way, Sam. If it rains, you won't have to worry about attending anyways.

[Sam]

That wasn't rain. That was some biblical kinda downpour. I don't do biblical.

[all2common]

Yes, we are all aware that you don't do biblical. Ha!

[LegoRules]

I had a blast at my first hab rec last year. It is a bummer I will miss it this year. I will be at the Willamette open.

Cindy :)

[rob smith]

damm have not missed one hab/rec since the begining!!! no. 8 maybe the one i finally miss.i have not sign up for the w.o. yet but have played a qualifer. crap, crap, crap. will have to make up my mind.

[Bullseye]

I talked to Buckley about the possibility of rescheduling Hab-Rec and he is adamant about not having to do so. His position is that he has run this event on the running on the first weekend of October for 7-8 years now and he rightly feels he should not have to reschedule.

Of course, I'm torn on the issue for selfish reasons. I want to play both. Yes, I wish Buckley would have rescheduled Hab-Rec to avoid the Willamette Open since the WO has been on the schedule for months, but he is the TD and since he is doing a ton of work to put the event together, it is his prerogative.

I do hope that TDs who are scheduling future events take into consideration the dates that long running events like the Hab-Rec have "staked out" via years of running on consistent weekends.

Its a real shame these two excellent events directly conflict with each other, but the upside is that there are two great events to choose from... unless the Willamette Open wants to reschedule ;)

I tried people... I really tried.


PS: Gawain put Hab-Rec down on the first weekend of October ad infinitum, so those guys running the Squatter Open in Corvallis don't force this on us again next year ;)

[TreeLove]

1. I don't officially add any event to the calendar unless someone requests it in writing. UNOFFICALLY, I am adding events all the time. I may stop doing that soon.

2. Patrick DID ask me to post the Hab/Rec during the BSF, but I forgot his verbal request.

3. Patrick DID just submit the Hab/Rec dates for the next ten years, and they are on the calendar.

4. The Willamette Open is notorious for changing its dates for rather arbitrary reasons.

5. There is nothing official about my calendar; I just try to keep it as accurate as possible.

6. I too hope the date of one of these event dates gets changed, for my personal benefit, but I am confident both will fill, even if held on the same day.

[Sam]

Neither event will change dates. I spoke with Brian the other day (not the religious one, the Next Adventure one) and he said that Patrick had asked him if they could change it and Brian said no. His reasoning being that this has been the traditional weekend for Hab/Rec, it's on his calendar and he doesn't want to change it. I do not fault him for that.

The crappy part is that you now have to choose which event to attend. The good part is that you now GET to choose which event to attend.

Let's stay positive and help both events be the best that they can be.

[essjay]

The only reason the Willamette Open has gotten changed the last few years is that the ORS staff habitually chose dates that were stupid for travel in this area. Anyone who lives in the Corvallis area can understand why a tournament the same weekend as a home game is a bad idea. If they had asked the TD each of those years before announcing a date, that never would have happened.

:cheers:

[sol]

Neither event will change dates. I spoke with Brian the other day (not the religious one, the Next Adventure one) and he said that Patrick had asked him if they could change it and Brian said no. His reasoning being that this has been the traditional weekend for Hab/Rec, it's on his calendar and he doesn't want to change it. I do not fault him for that.

The crappy part is that you now have to choose which event to attend. The good part is that you now GET to choose which event to attend.

Let's stay positive and help both events be the best that they can be.


I am definitely sad. Hab-Rec is my favorite one day tourney ever. But I have been to every Willamette Open since I started playing disc golf (and my doubles partner runs the tournament). WOXI must be my choice. Have fun at the Hab-Rec everyone, it is a FANTASTIC tourney.

[essjay]

I really love Hab/Rec too and I'm super sad we have to miss it this year!

[Trozzle!!!]

Im sure that lots of people are upset about not being able to play both. But I totally respect Patrick and Brian's plan to keep it on as scheduled. Many many people are not going to get into the WO due to the qualifier thing. This will give those new to tourney play, and those shut ouot of the WO to still play a tourney somewhere. Both are amazingly great tourneys and would love to play them both too. But, I doubt I can make the WO, and am very glad that Hab Rec is going to be there for me. This sport is growing huge, especially around here, conflicts are going to become more and more common.

[E Smith]

The Wash is hardly ever on the same date. I try not to schedule it on the same day as a Beaver game local festival event or a major local (Oregon) tournament. The way I find out when the tournaments are is by looking at Treelove's calender. I would never presume a tournament will be held the same day as the year before when tournaments (including long running) get canceled.

I think having a big one day tournament the same weekend as a big 2 day is a great idea. Some people can't commit to the entire weekend of golf.

The Willamette Open will be huge. I guessing that most of the participants will be people who can't make it to a qualifier. The only way you won't get into the Willamette Open is by not signing up. Or, sitting on your ass until the last minute. Send a check now and be one of the first people signed up after the qualifiers.

However, since this the Hab/Rec Fall Open thread, sign up for that instead.

E

[RonTheWhip]

Well I personally hate the Hab/Rec and think its a crummy event! Haha, gotcha. I actually really like the H/R a lot as well, but for obvious reasons I am committed to the WO. Hope everything goes well with both events, I'm sure they will both be great successes!

Dion

ps - How many years has the Hab/Rec been played? This is WO11 :)

[snap7times]

Actually it's WOXI, how do you pronounce that, that prob be a cool rap thing to say during the tournament... woxi woxi... playing at the woxi woxi, woxi bounce woxi... ahhh dang Deaf people can rap too... just not very good...

[Dave Pittman]

I talked to Buckley about the possibility of rescheduling Hab-Rec and he is adamant about not having to do so. His position is that he has run this event on the running on the first weekend of October for 7-8 years now and he rightly feels he should not have to reschedule.

Of course, I'm torn on the issue for selfish reasons. I want to play both. Yes, I wish Buckley would have rescheduled Hab-Rec to avoid the Willamette Open since the WO has been on the schedule for months, but he is the TD and since he is doing a ton of work to put the event together, it is his prerogative.

I do hope that TDs who are scheduling future events take into consideration the dates that long running events like the Hab-Rec have "staked out" via years of running on consistent weekends.

Its a real shame these two excellent events directly conflict with each other, but the upside is that there are two great events to choose from... unless the Willamette Open wants to reschedule ;)

I tried people... I really tried.


PS: Gawain put Hab-Rec down on the first weekend of October ad infinitum, so those guys running the Squatter Open in Corvallis don't force this on us again next year ;)

The Oregon Series final event (Willamette Open since 02) has always been on the first weekend of October or the second weekend of October (except for last year - 08). :nono: The WDGC does not want to hold the event on a weekend where there is an Oregon State home football game and that is the principal reason the date has ever been changed. :cop:

First weekend of October 01,03,04,06,09
Second weekend of October 02,05,07
Last weekend in September 08 (OSU home football games first and second weekend of October last year) :cheers:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

The Oregon Series final event (Willamette Open since 02) has always been on the first weekend of October or the second weekend of October (except for last year - 08). :nono: The WDGC does not want to hold the event on a weekend where there is an Oregon State home football game and that is the principal reason the date has ever been changed. :cop:

First weekend of October 01,03,04,06,09
Second weekend of October 02,05,07
Last weekend in September 08 (OSU home football games first and second weekend of October last year) :cheers:

It seems a lot of conflicts could be avoided if only OSU would check with the TreeLove Calendar before scheduling their stupid football games. :laughing:

Bob

[Harpua_OR]

I too love the Hab/Rec and am glad I will be playing again this year!

[Sam]

Im sure that lots of people are upset about not being able to play both. But I totally respect Patrick and Brian's plan to keep it on as scheduled. Many many people are not going to get into the WO due to the qualifier thing.

Uh... this shows a blatant misunderstanding of what is actually happening.

Expect about ~110 people to fill up the WOXI with pre-qualified people - and figure about 80 people will get their money in by the end of September. That still leaves 136 spots open for the WOXI.

[TreeLove]

Instead of "Qualifier" let's call it "Opportunifier"!

[erp]

Sounded good in here!

Actually it's WOXI, how do you pronounce that, that prob be a cool rap thing to say during the tournament... woxi woxi... playing at the woxi woxi, woxi bounce woxi... ahhh dang Deaf people can rap too... just not very good...

[Magilla]

Uh... this shows a blatant misunderstanding of what is actually happening.

Expect about ~110 people to fill up the WOXI with pre-qualified people - and figure about 80 people will get their money in by the end of September. That still leaves 136 spots open for the WOXI.

Huh.....That must be how the Dodgers (Dodgers SUCK) do the math to figure out how many games will be left when they once again disappoint their fans with a "Crumble", as always......


So if 110 people sign up at the "Qualifiers" and there are still 136 spots......

That would say that WOXI can hold 246 players? not counting the other 80 by end of Sept. ?????


:chinscratch:

[Trozzle!!!]

I was trying to figure out that math too, but gave up. There was 162 players last year at the WO. unless another course is added this year, there is no way 246 people could play this event.

Regardless of the numbers, the event is going to be close to full with the qualifiers, and will easily fill up completely once online reg is open, so therefore, another tourney up here in the Portland area on the same day is not a big deal at all. Both tourneys are great and many including myself would love to play both, but that cant happen.

[REDFIVE]

Is hab-rec going to be sanctioned?

[Sam]

216 at the WOXI this year, I believe. About 110 people will attend qualifiers. Of those 110, say 80 people pay by the deadline for qualifiers. That still leaves 136 spots for the tournament.

[Trozzle!!!]

ok, i se how your math works now. thanks Sam. Regardless, the WO is gonna fill, leaving many no tourney to play that weekend, and since this thread is about Hab Rec, I hope to see both tourneys fill up.

[Sam]

I bet they both do.

Chris, in years past Hab/Rec has not been sanctioned. I do not believe it is this year, either, though NA is throwing a C-tier this weekend I am enjoying very much. :cheers:

[Trozzle!!!]

lead card huh Sam? very nice :cheers:

[Sausage Fingers]

Well the flip-flop of WOXI this year has placed it on a weekend that I am unable to be out of town. Lucky for me that I will finally get to play the Hab/Rec tourney since it is only one day AND on Saturday.:pirate:

Did anyone sign up for this online? Did you pay the $5 shipping charge? :headbang: I sure won't, although I probably wasn't very nice to the webmaster about the whole deal...:posting::smash::smash::smash:

[REDFIVE]

What is the course layout 27, two 18 courses, or one 18 layout played twice? I have only played the course in BSF form.

[Bruce]

Past few years it has been set up as two 18's just like the bsf.

[gwillim]

What is the course layout 27, two 18 courses, or one 18 layout played twice? I have only played the course in BSF form.

Yeah, come down so I can take some 990+ Rated Washington money!! :whistler::shocked:

[REDFIVE]

Yeah, come down so I can take some 990+ Rated Washington money!! :whistler::shocked:

Thems fightin' words!

I plan to make the trip but I will be bringing 1000+ rated washington money with me also. That money is crisper than mine.

[gwillim]

Thems fightin' words!

I plan to make the trip but I will be bringing 1000+ rated washington money with me also. That money is crisper than mine.

They all fit the same into my pocketbook, the more the merrier!

[buckley]

To answer some questions:

Hab/Rec is non-sanctioned.

There is NOT a $5 shipping charge when you sign up online. Thanks to whomever brought that to the next adventure webmaster's attention.

The course layout is two 18-hole courses, east and west. Play one in the a.m. and the other in the p.m. The 36-hole tourney layout was first played at the 2nd annual Hab/Rec in 2003. The BSF began using the 36-hole layout in 2004. I designed the 36-hole tourney layout with significant help from others, and I've tweaked the design a bit over the years with help. 2 pin placements and 3 tee positions were added by the BSF folks to maximize the pro settings, and that's an ongoing process, but the configuration has remained largely unchanged for the past 3 years. Now I think it's set on an optimized configuration, with some room for more pins. Enjoy.

[TreeLove]

Hab/ROCKS!

[buckley]

Here is a list of pre-registered players so far:

REC
Randolph King

AM WOMEN
Jenette Mundlin
Amanda Prange

AM
Brian Pelowski
David Walker
Matthew Haenny
Matthew Moule
Rich Raymond
Ben Johnson
Justin Gross
Louie Daue
Joshua Newman
Brian Provost
Dustin Shepherd

ADV WOMEN
Celeste Scandiffio

ADV MASTERS
Jeff Elliott
Stuart Hicks
Stan Herzog
Jeff Hemmerling

ADV AM
Tim Helgeson
Jay Wood
Dan Zents
Jason Abell
Russ Heitkamp

PRO MASTERS
Doug Saulter
Jeff Cox
Kel Carver
Lance Redfern
Keith Shupp

PRO
Rich Ray
Jeff Mittl
Coury Coates
Jeff Browning
Danny Wortz
Joe Garrettson
Mike Gillespie
Jeff Hagerty
Eric Heitzinger
Dustin Milbrodt

[smobro]

Wow you got some big names playing that one. I am glad to see the interest but sad to see that the guys I want to beat are not going to be at the Willamette Open this year. It might even give me a chance to cash in the crusties division. On second thought.............................. Have fun at the Rec crusties. see ya next year. Wish these weren't on the same weekend. I guess we have beaten that horse to death.

[hyzer_sosa]

Recs and Ams shoot from the am pads? ...Or everybody shoots from the same pads?

[buckley]

Pro divisions and Advanced Men division play from the pro tees. Everyone else plays from the am tees.

[Trozzle!!!]

just signed up. havent played this for about 2-3 years now, so glad to be back :)

[hyzer_sosa]

Im in, +1. :rockon: Stopped in at NA to check out the big discounts (and register).

Any chance for an update on that reg list? Curious as to how deep the rec division is currently.

[runnaman]

Registered and looking forward to next weekend.

[Brody Cannon]

+2 for advanced
+2 for intermediate
We're all going to next adventure to sign up today

[buckley]

There should be a current reg list up on next adventure's website by the end of tomorrow (tuesday) I just sent them one tonight. About 100 players so far.

[Susie Sunshine]

Anyone know when the extra baskets will be in place? I'd like to get out there and practice the layout one morning this week...

[hyzer_sosa]

Anyone know when the extra baskets will be in place? I'd like to get out there and practice the layout one morning this week...

Baskets are in place. So is the foul weather. It was nice this morning but turned nasty as I was leaving.

[Susie Sunshine]

Thanks!!

I almost hesitate to say it, but the weather can't get much more foul than last year's Hab/Rec, can it? :)

[D-Walk]

Thanks!!

I almost hesitate to say it, but the weather can't get much more foul than last year's Hab/Rec, can it? :)

Oh boy, time to go buy that umbrella now!

[Susie Sunshine]

No worries; I bought my first golf umbrella specifically for last year's Hab/Rec. Haha!! Eric and I laughed at ourselves for buying them the night before. During the first round we were extremely grateful that we had them.

[rob smith]

No worries; I bought my first golf umbrella specifically for last year's Hab/Rec. Haha!! Eric and I laughed at ourselves for buying them the night before. During the first round we were extremely grateful that we had them.

2nd round they did not help too much with the sideways rain:nahnah:

[D-Walk]

No worries; I bought my first golf umbrella specifically for last year's Hab/Rec. Haha!! Eric and I laughed at ourselves for buying them the night before. During the first round we were extremely grateful that we had them.

Yeah I thought I was all sly with the waterproof pullover I bought the night before last years event. Did exactly what it was supposed to do...all the water balled up and rolled off. Unfortunately the landing pad for that water was my cargo shorts. They must have weighed 40 pounds by the end o the round. :slapface:

If I remember correctly though, the afternoon round was awesome. We had the best and the worst of it that day. :yay:

[murray the brit]

i cant find the reg list mu be dumb:blush::blush: can someone post it

[buckley]

Reg list just got posted on Next Adventure website under "this year's challengers"

as of 9/30 1:00pm:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap2HkQuMYLKydDc5QmhJdTFKeUxReDV0Vjd2Q19tb kE&hl=en



or just:

http://nextadventure.net/department/disc%2Bgolf

[TreeLove]

Anyone know how Jeff Elliott plans to play in both the Hab Rec (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap2HkQuMYLKydDc5QmhJdTFKeUxReDV0Vjd2Q19tb kE&hl=en) and the WOXI (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9477)?

[Brody Cannon]

Anyone know how Jeff Elliott plans to play in both the Hab Rec (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap2HkQuMYLKydDc5QmhJdTFKeUxReDV0Vjd2Q19tb kE&hl=en) and the WOXI (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9477)?

He's got experience... anything's possible I guess

[REDFIVE]

My mom is giving me the gift of hab rec for my birthday! Looking forward to getting out for a couple rounds of golf.

[D-Walk]

Anyone know how Jeff Elliott plans to play in both the Hab Rec (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap2HkQuMYLKydDc5QmhJdTFKeUxReDV0Vjd2Q19tb kE&hl=en) and the WOXI (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9477)?

He and Celeste have come up with some sort of time travel device. Looks like she's taking on all comers this weekend too. :cheerleader:

[Celeste]

Bring it!
Actually, I had sent in my check to Dion a long time ago. Decided to just play Hab/Rec and I just haven't been taken off the Willamette list yet.

[Sausage Fingers]

I will be playing the part of Jeff Elliott at Hab/Rec this year.:pirate:

[jevon]

I will be playing the part of Jeff Elliott at Hab/Rec this year.:pirate:

Is this the new Axis of Bagger I've been hearing about on the news?

[Par3]

It looks like an awesome field of players! Hab/Rec is a true Oregon tradition for those of us that don't care care for all the rules associated with PDGA events. What a great way to celebrate how great the Milo tourney layout is! Thanks go out to Buckley, Milpond and everyone else that makes this great event happen every year!

[hyzer_sosa]

I keep hearing that Hab/Rec is one of the best tourneys of the year.
What makes it so for you?
What sets it apart from the rest?

[RonTheWhip]

oops, i just removed celeste.

i e-mailed Jeff, but no response yet...

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Is lunch provided? I couldn't figure it out from the flyer. Thanks.

[Scott]

I keep hearing that Hab/Rec is one of the best tourneys of the year.
What makes it so for you?
What sets it apart from the rest?

Low key (non PDGA) on a couple of great courses.

[D-Walk]

I keep hearing that Hab/Rec is one of the best tourneys of the year.
What makes it so for you?
What sets it apart from the rest?

It's like 2 large casual rounds, for prizes, at Milo. :trophy:

[SMOKIN JOE]

If the was the only tournament that played the 36. I'd be there. But since their is the Fling. It makes it easier to play the W.O.. Wish it was more than 2 times a year. Wish it was all year. :cheers:

[NWDiscer]

Is lunch provided? I couldn't figure it out from the flyer. Thanks.

just bring an extra bottle of "Ensure" you will be fine.....:evilgrin: :whistler:

[ptld2001]

Is lunch provided? I couldn't figure it out from the flyer. Thanks.

Next Adventure said that burgers and dogs would be provided.

[keith_shupp]

What makes Hab/Rec one of the best events of the year to me is Mr. Buckley. He and the Portland Roc gang Have made Milo the best course in the NW and beyond. Also the event is always one day and Non-PDGA which helps him to give everyone a shirt and disc plus 150% payout no other event does that for us. So a big thank you to Mr. Buckley and Next Adventure for running the best event of the year. :cheers:

[Jet]

I keep hearing that Hab/Rec is one of the best tourneys of the year.
What makes it so for you?
What sets it apart from the rest?
It's fun!

[buckley]

Thanks for the kind words, folks.

Lunch is provided by Next Adventure.

It looks like payouts will be closer to 200% this year as they have been the past couple years, but always at least 150%. Next Adventure is to thank for this. When you see Bryan out there serving you lunch, big guy with beard, thank him for all he does for Hab/Rec and disc golf in general!

I'm out. See ya at Milo!

[sands.steven]

I am planning on being out there @ 7 for late reg.

any info on number of spots available in the mens AM would be helpful.

I will be baking EARLY AM then rolling out .... I would probably cry if it fills before I get there!!

Thanks,

Steve

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I am planning on being out there @ 7 for late reg.

any info on number of spots available in the mens AM would be helpful

The last reg list showed about 105 entries so there is room for 40 more. You should have no problem getting in.

I will be baking EARLY AM then rolling out .... I would probably cry if it fills before I get there!!
Hey Steve, I don't know if it's a good idea to let everyone know you like to wake 'n' bake! :D

[sands.steven]

hahahaha

It is Literal and Figurative hahaha

[Trozzle!!!]

is it time to tee off yet? I cant wait

[chris7graham]

what tim e does it start and is anyone going out there from gresham???

[Bruce]

149 people played (sorry to those that were turned away), and it was a stellar event as always. Coates took home the win in Open, Salty dominated Pro Masters and would have won open by 6 (An amazing 51 on the west course) I'm fairly exhausted right now from the work out there and tourney play over the last few days so that's about all the first place finishers I can remember.

By far one of the best HabRec's yet!

[Trozzle!!!]

I played like $iht, but had a great time. I love this tourney, but Milo always tear me up. I coulnt make a putt if I wasnt within 15 ft.

[Jet]

Thanks to Buckely, Bruce, Dustin and everyone for another fun HabRec.

I couldn't stay to pick up my ctp, can I get it latter?

["Over the Hill" Bob]

149 people played (sorry to those that were turned away), and it was a stellar event as always. Coates took home the win in Open, Salty dominated Pro Masters and would have won open by 6 (An amazing 51 on the west course) I'm fairly exhausted right now from the work out there and tourney play over the last few days so that's about all the first place finishers I can remember.

By far one of the best HabRec's yet!

Wow, Hab/Rec filled on the same day as the Willamette Open? We CAN have two major events running the same weekend. Cool! :yay:

Bob

[Bruce]

And Hab/Rec had 29 Pro's (not counting Pro Masters) While the WO had 28, woot!

[REDFIVE]

I had a great time at a fantastic course. I am glad I had some cool guys to hang out with at the tees during the first round. Thanks to everybody that put in the time to make it a great event. Well gwillim I guess crap talk gets us our own money. Thanks again!

I hope all of you wake up in the morning and give thanks for milo because it is a very special track. This Washingtonian is jealous!

[runnaman]

Just wondering. Is there any way to guesstimate what the round ratings would be?

I had a great time at my first Hab/Rec and can't wait to get out there to play next year and for years to follow. Thanks to everyone who put it together.

[Bruce]

If you played from the Pro tees, you could look at past Fling round ratings for what you shot. The East course played maybe 1/2 stroke easier in this layout so ratings should be fairly comparable. The west course on the other hand probably played about 2-3 strokes easier.

Saulters 51 on the east course is still an amazing round!

[REDFIVE]

Just wondering. Is there any way to guesstimate what the round ratings would be?

60 is about 985, 58 right around 1000 or so, give or take.

[runnaman]

60 is about 985, 58 right around 1000 or so, give or take.

Are those for the Pro pads? How much difference do you think there is from the Am pads?

Thanks

[Matt B.]

And Hab/Rec had 29 Pro's (not counting Pro Masters) While the WO had 28, woot!

Hey, the Open pools were diluted at both - awesome! :slapface:

[Brody Cannon]

Just wondering. Is there any way to guesstimate what the round ratings would be?

I had a great time at my first Hab/Rec and can't wait to get out there to play next year and for years to follow. Thanks to everyone who put it together.

check the round ratings during the BSF. if you look at the AMs in the BSF, just know that the 1st and 3rd round were on the east course and the 2nd round was the west course

EDIT: Just kidding... i forgot you played the AM pads

[smobro]

How did everyone else do? Looking forward to seeing the full results.

[gwillim]

Well gwillim I guess crap talk gets us our own money.

...and a little bit of everyone else's as well! :yay:
Great playing with you, Chris. I look forward to throwing with you in the future.

[Scott]

Are those for the Pro pads? How much difference do you think there is from the Am pads?

Thanks

A LOT. The AM pads play much easier than the pro pads.

[Amber]

Thanks to Buckely, Bruce, Dustin and everyone for another fun HabRec.

I couldn't stay to pick up my ctp, can I get it latter?

I grabbed your CTP prize. It is a no weight, no name disc with a towel. People thought maybe a starfire but really I have no clue. It has a tourney stamp, can't remember which tourney. I gave it to John Gorman to give to you at team golf on Saturday. Not 100% sure that we will be there this weekend but I will see you soon.

[Sam]

Did Saulter shoot a 51 on the west or east? Bruce's post say both. Which was it?

Either way... :shocked:

[Bruce]

Read post again!

"Saulters 51 on the east course is still an amazing round!"

[Sam]

Ahem. Which one? The one you just posted about or...

"Salty dominated Pro Masters and would have won open by 6 (An amazing 51 on the west course)"

:D

So... east? That is smoking hot.

[kel]

Ahem. Which one? The one you just posted about or...

"Salty dominated Pro Masters and would have won open by 6 (An amazing 51 on the west course)"

:D

So... east? That is smoking hot.

West

[Sam]

Kel, are you being difficult or was it west? :)

[Jet]

I grabbed your CTP prize. It is a no weight, no name disc with a towel. People thought maybe a starfire but really I have no clue. It has a tourney stamp, can't remember which tourney. I gave it to John Gorman to give to you at team golf on Saturday. Not 100% sure that we will be there this weekend but I will see you soon.
Thanks Amber and John! I need a new towel. I should be playing Pier this Saturday. Hope to you guys there.

[Bullseye]

Kel, are you being difficult or was it west? :)

Saulter shot a 51 on the WEST and a 55 on the East. Damned fine shooting indeed.

[smobro]

Who is responsible for sharing the FULL RESULTS with the rest of us?

[Bullseye]

Who is responsible for sharing the FULL RESULTS with the rest of us?


Technically.... no one. However, if he feels like it Buckley might oblige you when he has some time.

[smobro]

Technically.... no one. However, if he feels like it Buckley might oblige you when he has some time.

Cool. Does anyone remember who were some of the other top finishers in the other divisions?

[smobro]

Cool. Does anyone remember who were some of the other top finishers in the other divisions?

Would it be posted at Next Adventure? Brian and his staff have been such amazing advocates of the game and Hab Rec. I was thinking that would be a cool place to post some pics and scores. You know, for Posterity sake.

[Bruce]

Yeah, I went out to play today and started on the west course, and quickly felt like placing my foot in my mouth about the post I made before leaving. My bad!

[smobro]

Anyone know how to get a hold Buckley? shoot a PM if you can help.
Thanks

[Scott]

Anyone know how to get a hold Buckley? shoot a PM if you can help.
Thanks

You could send a PM to "Buckley". Just a thought.

[smobro]

You could send a PM to "Buckley". Just a thought.

It is my understanding that he doesn't check the forum much except in preparation for the Hab Rec. Get back to work Hill

[Scott]

It is my understanding that he doesn't check the forum much except in preparation for the Hab Rec. Get back to work Hill

It is my understanding that when you send someone a PM it also sends them an e-mail. Back atcha, Smo.

[Doug Saulter]

Sam Gibson. Give me a call please. 503-680-9616

[thadeouspage]

Does anyone know if the tournament baskets are still up, and if so, might they be tomorrow as well?

[REDFIVE]

Why isn't the 2 course layout the normal course layout?

[Sausage Fingers]

Why isn't the 2 course layout the normal course layout?

Because the 2 course layout has pins inside parking lot islands and in areas of the park set aside for picnic/fishing activities.

While this might not be such a big deal during the winter, it would be a major clusterF in the months of heavy park usage.:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

It is my understanding that when you send someone a PM it also sends them an e-mail. Back atcha, Smo.

Maybe he doesn't check the bogus hotmail account that he used to set up his account here...

[Scott]

Maybe he doesn't check the bogus hotmail account that he used to set up his account here...

People do that? :shocked:



Yes, I'm kidding.

[Scott]

Because the 2 course layout has pins inside parking lot islands and in areas of the park set aside for picnic/fishing activities.

While this might not be such a big deal during the winter, it would be a major clusterF in the months of heavy park usage.:pirate:

That could be easily remidied with alternate pin positions.

[Sausage Fingers]

That could be easily remidied with alternate pin positions.

Not on the east side where the course uses all of the land between the river and parking lot A...

Glance over there on a nice summer day, you will see many people using picnic tables, setting up volleyball, heading down to the river ect. The hole after the genius hole runs the length of that area, what part of the "day use area" will be left for the other park users?:pirate:

[Scott]

Not on the east side where the course uses all of the land between the river and parking lot A...

Glance over there on a nice summer day, you will see many people using picnic tables, setting up volleyball, heading down to the river ect. The hole after the genius hole runs the length of that area, what part of the "day use area" will be left for the other park users?:pirate:

I don't get over there very often, but I've never seen anyone over there other than disc golfers. in fact, I didn't even realize there was safe river access there. That certainly changes things.

[buckley]

Thanks to all the 149 players for making it to the 8th Annual Hab/Rec! That's the highest Hab/Rec attendance ever. (previous highs were 144) I don't believe anyone was turned away this year, unless some of the hopefuls who got there early left before the end of sign-ups. We were able to squeeze in those who waited it out til the end of sign-ups. Overall, this was the best Hab/Rec yet!

To clarify and/or respond:

The Hab/Rec East Course plays 2-3 strokes easier than BSF East.
The Hab/Rec West Course plays 1 stroke easier than BSF West.
The Hab/Rec am tees play 8-10 strokes easier than the Hab/Rec pro tees for 18 holes on each course, 16-20 strokes easier total for 36 holes.

Doug Saulter shot a 51 on the West course in the morning. WOW
And then he shot a boring 55 on the East in the afternoon. WOW

The temporary holes do not have baskets in the summer due to multi-use conflicts, and these conflicts are real and significant. Alt pins would not remedy. The winter is free of such conflict, so hopefully the park will keep the baskets in for the winter, but that is an Oregon State Park decision. I'm not sure if and when the baskets will be pulled as of now.

To add to the previous paragraph, the hole before the genius and the genius hole are both capable of being played without conflict; and tourney 18W with an alt pin would work by itself, although course flow would be problematic with 18W. It would be isolated from a walk-out perspective. Anyway, the park is not sure if they want to do this, but technically it is possible for those 3 holes, but only reasonable for the 2 holes in the genius corner. Don't hold your breath.

Jet, I believe your CTP is a reddish, see-thru-ish 168 Champion Sidewinder with a Hab/Rec logo stamp with no year, and a towel from Innova made of that high-tech chamois-type of material or whatever it is. It's a nice towel. Enjoy. I'm glad you made it to another Hab/Rec. Congrats on the CTP!

The Divisional Champions:
Nick Klemenhagen, Recreational Champ
Amber Cochran, Am Women Champ
Joel Jones, Am Champ
Erin Voelker, Adv Women Champ
David Traina, Adv Master Champ
Dan Zents, Adv Champ
Doug Saulter, former World Champ, current Hab/Rec Pro Masters Champ
Coury Coates, Mr. Consistency, Consummate Pro, overall Hab/Rec Champion

Scores and results will be posted on the Next Adventure website by the end of this week. I'll post a link here. Past years' results have been posted in other places, so I will eventually post all past years' results on the Next website as well.

Smobro, do you have a question? Post here or send me a PM. Once scores are posted, then I probably won't be on this forum til next year, but I'll check back when I post scores in a couple days.

[Eric Olson]

Does anyone know if the tournament baskets are still up, and if so, might they be tomorrow as well?As of tuesday afternoon they were still up.

Buckley, Thanks for the detailed explanation of the usage conflict with the tournament holes. It is true that during the summer many of the temp holes overlap with picnickers and river goers, but it is great to play the two 18s whenever possible. On occasion I have had to skip holes such as 1W when the area was reserved for group picnics.

[Jet]

Cool, I like Sidewinders. We had 4 players in Women's Intermediate. Two won script and the other two won ctp prizes. So we all won something besides a fun day of golf at Milo. :yay:

[buckley]

Results will be up next week.

I found a red Nike hoodie and a Hab/Rec long sleeve both at the base of a tree by tourney central.

[runnaman]

Just wondering what other people think. Going off of what Buckly said about the Am tees playing 8-10 strokes easier, I estimated my round ratings to about a 900 for a 61 on the East and about an 870 for a 66 on the West. Sound about right?

[Bullseye Disc Golf.com]

No way Am tees play 8-10 strokes easier. For people who normally play the Long tees, the Am tees are a different course. I have never played them before so for me they were harder. I would say the par 4 and par 5's play one stroke easier with the exception of 2 of them.

In many cases "shorter" to the pin does not equal easier. Many of those tees are more awkward than the long placements.

Also another factor that no one has mentioned is that most of the Am tees are way more slippery. They are not used as much and they played in that very awkward "in between" wet and dry texture. They have much more moss and mildew on them and since they don't get played as much they were way more slippery.

I would much rather play from a longer dry tee than a shorter slippery tee.

I would say the Am tees are only really 4-5 strokes easier.

[Bruce]

I'm going to have to disagree Steve, the am tees play much much easier than the pro. I can see many many more birdie ops from the am tees. And I have played most of them during casual rounds.

[runnaman]

I don't know, I didn't feel that the tees made much of a difference. But I do agree that shorter doesn't always equal easier and would think that the am tees played about 7-8 strokes easier. (Although I've only played 18 of the original 27 from the long tees.)

[buckley]

Steve, I've never noticed a difference in footing between am and pro tees, and I play them both equally as often. With the cold dampness in the air that day, I'm pretty sure all concrete tees could have had that awkward texture to them in the morning, or all day if in the shade. But just because I don't notice it doesn't mean it's not there. Perhaps that's a factor I should consider, especially from a maintenance perspective! For now, for the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to have to ignore it, especially since runnaman says he doesn't notice it either.

Also, I could see how inexperience from the am tees would be a factor in scoring, but when you're comparing the relative difficulty of courses, you have to approach it from an all-else-equal perspective. It's hard to assign a stroke value based on how many times you've played one course relative to how many times you've played the other.

Steve, you shot a 60 and a 62 from the am tees, averaging 61. You would have averaged about a 70 for 18 holes from the pro tees that day. Or maybe since you're more familiar with the pro tees, you would have averaged a 68. If you break down each hole and assess the difference between am and pro, each course comes out to 7 or 8 strokes difference (great estimate runnaman) A lot of the holes have a half stroke difference due to higher frequency of birdie ops from the am tees and/or less risky shot from the am tees. The distance itself is not the deciding factor. It's the average resulting score.

The reason it's actually 8-10 strokes difference is because the pro courses seem to wear you down more than the am courses, so a couple of ghost strokes just seem to add up along the way. I have a lot of empirical data to back this up, but don't ask me to post it because that would be a LOT of work if not impossible. It's not really compiled data, it's just from playing the different courses a lot with others and analyzing it. I'm telling you it's 8-10 strokes difference on average.

A good example would be Coury Coates, the pro winner who shot a 56 on each course. He is highly consistent, and I know he would have shot a 47 on each am course the way he was playing that day.

That would be cool if I could get more data points from others who play both courses. Maybe we could hone in a better number than my best 8-10 stroke estimate.

By the way, I emailed the results to Next, so they should be up as soon as the webmaster can do it. I'll post a link here.

[runnaman]

Sweet, thanks buckley.