Horning's course #3

[Bob Horning]

Hi all, here's an update. Right now all holes except for 6, 7 and 8 are playable, and we're working on 6 and 7 today. We've got the tee pads (dirt right now) and targets area marked with cones, and do have maps at the house by the lake, so if anyone wants to play and give input that's great! Total length on the course now looks to be 7,054 feet, with gold tee ratings of two par 4s and one par 5. When we get it all set we'll also list the rating as a blue tee course, which will list four par 4s and possibly the par 5 being a par 6. We're moving right along!!:cheers:

[sillybizz]

That's so awesome, I was there yesterday for the first time as I live four hours away from there and the two courses in place I just fell in love with and I can only imagine how great the new long one is going to be. Horning's Hideout is the best destination in the country for disc golf in my opinion because of how great the courses are, camping, fishing and all of the other things available to you onsite. The amount of work put into the two courses so far with making the baskets and putting the courses in and the daily/weekly/monthly maintaince required to keep the course is prestine condition is absolutly outstanding, keep up the great work out there Bob, I will be making another trip down there very very soon!

[JMan]

Ah, that 10 minute drive from my driveway, brutal

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Ah, that 10 minute drive from my driveway, brutal

Does the J in JMan stand for JERKman? :nahnah:

Bob:biggrin2:

[SMOKIN JOE]

I know, what nerve, It takes me 10 seconds to go from my couch to the 12 tee at my home course, at least he gets to drive:slapface:

[Eric Olson]

two par 4s and one par 5.That was my takeaway after one round through the 15 holes that were set up. This will probably end up being my favorite of the three courses on the property.

Thanks and great job!

[TreeLove]

Please, do not blasphemize the game of golf by setting a par of 6. The game has done just fine for centuries with pars 3, 4, and 5. Nothing wrong with having a difficult par 5 that rarely gets birdied.

I am delighted to hear about the 3rd course! Bob, if you hold a work party, I bet a lot of people would show up....

[SMOKIN JOE]

actually it started with one long hole, par being how many shots were taken in the round, the shots being from a fifth of scotch, don't recall how many that was, they probably didn't either by the time they were done, but I do agree, make it a par 5,(hey for all you people out there, I found the spellcheck icon, it's got a million other ones too, I bet one is for punctuation,
there's so many ,no wonder I threw the book away):cool2:

[JMan]

Shot The Highlands yesterday, but before we headed out Bob and I drove up to the T for #8...Oh baby. Can you say 400+ feet from T to pin with 80 feet down. Clear routes on the left and right, with rough on both side and down the middle. This course is going to :rockon:

[Tennessee]

I noticed hole two's basket (cone) was really close to tee three,
other than that the few holes i played were fun.
Good work out there.
Mat

[ryanajanes]

so does "playable" mean that the baskets are there? or does it mean that the course is ready for the baskets and sleeves to be put in now?

[Adam Schneider]

I think "playable" means that the fairways have been logged out and there are ribbons or stakes marking the teepads and future basket placements.

[JMan]

correct, there are cones at the pin placements and flags at the Ts. Bob is hoping folks will play it and give some feedback before concrete goes in for collars and Ts. Headed out there now...

[ryanajanes]

im going to be out there on wednesday and i dont know if i should play the course without baskets, is it still fun? or should i stick to just playing the courses with baskets?

[TreeLove]

The game existed long before the basket was ever invented, and yes, it was still fun.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyNClPDlxUY

[johnny lamotte]

The game existed long before the basket was ever invented, and yes, it was still fun.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyNClPDlxUY



do u guys know when the baskets will be put in???

[Bob Horning]

do u guys know when the baskets will be put in???

We're working on the baskets now, should be pouring cement with-in about two weeks, setting baskets in about three.:yay:

[Matt B.]

We're working on the baskets now, should be pouring cement with-in about two weeks, setting baskets in about three.:yay:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Horning
By the 25th of September we will have the new course up and running. It will a Gold tee course, with two par fours and a par five. The other course may or may not be upgraded with cement tee pads, but it will have the upgraded targets that will be certified for PDGA play (as in the new course). Just letting you know for an option. later, Bob

Bob -

What are the upgraded targets like?

[Sam]

(hey for all you people out there, I found the spellcheck icon, it's got a million other ones too, I bet one is for punctuation,
there's so many ,no wonder I threw the book away)

:confused:

:slapface:

[Bob Horning]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Horning
By the 25th of September we will have the new course up and running. It will a Gold tee course, with two par fours and a par five. The other course may or may not be upgraded with cement tee pads, but it will have the upgraded targets that will be certified for PDGA play (as in the new course). Just letting you know for an option. later, Bob

Bob -

What are the upgraded targets like?

PDGA came out with actual specs this year instead of the very loose definitions. Basically our targets meet the new specs, except for a smaller ring on top that holds the chains. We're swapping these out, in addition adding another set of bars on top that hold chains so we can change the position of some inner chains, and lengthening the chains a bit. Also there is a total of 24 chains (like the highland course, not the canyon course with 18).

[snap7times]

so sweet...

[Trozzle!!!]

We played most of the new Hornings course today and Go damn its brutal!!!!! It is a sick ass course for sure!!!!

[Hippy007]

play the whole thing and man one very long and hilly and supper sick. I will live on this course love it playing it all the time this winter. It took us about 4 hours to play the whole course.

hippy007

[Trozzle!!!]

we only played 1-9 i think and the long hole 16. lost a disc on my second throw on the left just inside the tree line. Rick was showing us the course and playing with us, so he pretty much knows where it went in. I have to say right now my favorite hole is #8. The long downhill one. I ont know the distance, but way long. and that huge downhill shot through the very narrow lines in the trees. I thought i lost mine, but i found it only about 50 ft from the basket. A very fun hole!!!! cant wait for the pads to go in and of course the baskets. those cones are hard to hit, lol

[Hippy007]

Ahh #8 the first of the 420 foot holes. but it is all down 30 to 40% grade.

I like #12 the second 420 foot hole you are just standing going, "man how am i going to make it there." It is much more open then it looks at the tee though.

there are a couple holes where you want a spotter.

[grant]

looking to head up there today with the little one and am wondering if the new course has baskets in and how kid friendly or stroller friendly is it. Thanks

[Trozzle!!!]

I wouldnt say it is kid friendly or stroller friendly at this point. No baskets in either as of last Sat. I think Rick said they had 9 or 10 made. There is small cones at the tee area and the tall skinny cones in the basket locations. There is also some poison ivy they are killing off on holes 6-9. None of us got affected by it on Sat, and I was wearing shorts.

[Bob Horning]

I wouldnt say it is kid friendly or stroller friendly at this point. No baskets in either as of last Sat. I think Rick said they had 9 or 10 made. There is small cones at the tee area and the tall skinny cones in the basket locations. There is also some poison ivy they are killing off on holes 6-9. None of us got affected by it on Sat, and I was wearing shorts.

I just took 19 baskets in this morning to be sand blasted (one is going to PDGA for certification). Also picked up enough boards to make cement forms for 9 pads, or 1 full truck load of cement. I figure to do the easy to get to pads first, which a couple of us can do, but then do the hard to get to pads a day or two later. Will be priming the baskets this evening after I pick them up, and be setting forms up this week to pour next, so it's all coming fast. I will let everyone know when we pour if they want to help. Also if you want to grab a paint brush this evening I'll have the baskets being primed and some beers out!
later

[Jet]

I just took 19 baskets in this morning to be sand blasted (one is going to PDGA for certification). Also picked up enough boards to make cement forms for 9 pads, or 1 full truck load of cement. I figure to do the easy to get to pads first, which a couple of us can do, but then do the hard to get to pads a day or two later. Will be priming the baskets this evening after I pick them up, and be setting forms up this week to pour next, so it's all coming fast. I will let everyone know when we pour if they want to help. Also if you want to grab a paint brush this evening I'll have the baskets being primed and some beers out!
later
Do you have paint brushes we can use or do we need to bring them?

[Bob Horning]

Do you have paint brushes we can use or do we need to bring them?

I've got about 8 paint brushes.

[jabberjawsteve]

this is great! I can't wait to play!
keep up the hard work- it will come back to you in droves!!!

[jabberjawsteve]

Also if you want to grab a paint brush this evening I'll have the baskets being primed and some beers out!
later


man I'm on my way- oh wait... Blast!

[TreeLove]

Steve! :chug::chug::chug:

OK, you're better now...

[Trozzle!!!]

Jet and I went out tonight and helped prime the baskets. when we left they only had 5 left.

[Jet]

Jet and I went out tonight and helped prime the baskets. when we left they only had 5 left.
I'm pretty sure I got more rustolium on the baskets than me but it's a close call.

Bob please post when you will be painting the baskets.

[Trozzle!!!]

a couple pics i took tonight of the Priming party, lol

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/09-08-09_2029-1.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/09-08-09_2030.jpg

[Bob Horning]

Jet and I went out tonight and helped prime the baskets. when we left they only had 5 left.

Thanks so much to Troy and Jet for their help tonight! We finished priming the targets, which will keept hem from rusting after the sandblasting. We will give it a full day to set and then start painting them yellow in a bit. While the weather is good I'm going to start working setting up the forms for pouring concret. Again, thanks so much to Troy and Jet!!!!!!:cheers:

[Hippy007]

The pour will be wed and fri. with friday being the big day going after all the far and high pad. Bob asked me to spread the word. The baskets are also getting a seccond yellow coat tonight.... soon...

Hippy007 :cool2:

[Trozzle!!!]

Threw a bunch of putts tonight on the new basket. Bob has changed up the change configuration and these things catch so much better than the original basket. Will Odom was throwing some putts with the power of a drive from about 10-15 feet out, and these things were still stopping them. even on the weak side :)

[ryanajanes]

so is everything poured now?

[Hippy007]

No not yet, still have more tee pads to pour and pins too..

[emmarose]

Threw a bunch of putts tonight on the new basket. Bob has changed up the change configuration and these things catch so much better than the original basket. Will Odom was throwing some putts with the power of a drive from about 10-15 feet out, and these things were still stopping them. even on the weak side :)


Ooooohhhh...I am so glad to hear this...I haven't played horning's very much and am such a novice on baskets...but I really felt like the discs bounced out more on those baskets than other ones...not that I'll spend much time on the big arm course, but I'm sure I will play it just to see what it's like...and then go back to my comfort zone in the canyon and on the highlands...

Just want to say thanks, also, to everyone for all the work that is being done, it is very exciting and very much appreciated!

peace threw disc golf,
emmarose

[Bob Horning]

No not yet, still have more tee pads to pour and pins too..

We poured the final nine tee pads today on the new course. We also had enough cement to go back and put a gentle slope on the front of 12 of the tee pads. The next few days will be digging holes and pouring concrete target placements and hanging chains on the new targets. Thursday hopefully we will be placing the targets on the course, so this weekend it will be playable, except no signage. Next week will be measuring final length and elevation changes, along with mapping this all out and sending this info to Houck design where they will make our signs.

So yes, the course should be playable this weekend, and in a few weeks when we get our signage we will have a grand opening for the course :cheers:

[D-Walk]

We poured the final nine tee pads today on the new course. We also had enough cement to go back and put a gentle slope on the front of 12 of the tee pads. The next few days will be digging holes and pouring concrete target placements and hanging chains on the new targets. Thursday hopefully we will be placing the targets on the course, so this weekend it will be playable, except no signage. Next week will be measuring final length and elevation changes, along with mapping this all out and sending this info to Houck design where they will make our signs.

So yes, the course should be playable this weekend, and in a few weeks when we get our signage we will have a grand opening for the course :cheers:

You are the man Bob! :bowing: Seriously, thank you for everything you do. You have built it, and we WILL come.

[Twitch]

Bob,

When do you think you can post some pictures or video of the new course? It would be great to see the fairways and layout now that the teepads are in.

Also, are any improvements coming to the other two courses sometime soon (like signage you mentioned)? It would be great to see improved baskets and signs on Canyon for example - not to mention teepads but I'm going for low hanging fruit here. I've been thinking of volunteering if you need any help, but Friday day might be the only time I have available. Need an extra pair of hands for a few hours?

Thanks for all your hard work. I was out there Friday morning and saw all those wonderful new yellow baskets in your workshop. It was a wonderful site all by itself.

-Mark

[Hippy007]

Bob,

When do you think you can post some pictures or video of the new course? It would be great to see the fairways and layout now that the teepads are in.

Also, are any improvements coming to the other two courses sometime soon (like signage you mentioned)? It would be great to see improved baskets and signs on Canyon for example - not to mention teepads but I'm going for low hanging fruit here. I've been thinking of volunteering if you need any help, but Friday day might be the only time I have available. Need an extra pair of hands for a few hours?

Thanks for all your hard work. I was out there Friday morning and saw all those wonderful new yellow baskets in your workshop. It was a wonderful site all by itself.

-Mark

The new Signs from Houck (platinum signs) (http://www.houckdesign.com/platinum_tee_signs.html) will be on all three courses. The Canyon course will get the new baskets and concrete tee pads. Will take some pictures after the baskets go up and will post them when I get back home.

Hippy007 :cool2:
Andy...

[Adam Schneider]

I took some photos a couple weeks ago... I can post 'em. (Here's a sample.)
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=218&stc=1&d=1253596937

By the way, Bob, did you consider my suggestion about getting a laser rangefinder? That way you could be sure about the distances on all three courses. And hell, maybe you could even rent it out to people...

[Bob Horning]

I took some photos a couple weeks ago... I can post 'em.

By the way, Bob, did you consider my suggestion about getting a laser rangefinder? That way you could be sure about the distances on all three courses. And hell, maybe you could even rent it out to people...

A neighbor of mine has one, was not impressed at all, more a pain than not. Got a new, but good old fashion 300' measuring tape that I can guarentee is accurate.
Andy's right, after we're done with the new course and get the signage turned in to be done we will start right onto the canyon course and pour concrete tee pads there, then come back and upgrade the targets. We'll also map out both that on and the highland course for new signs too. The highland will remain gravel for now, just because it's short throw and for most it does not seem to matter on that course.
later

[Adam Schneider]

Photos...

- Hole #2, right dogleg
- Hole #6, steep uphill
- Hole #7, long right dogleg, starts uphill
- Hole #8, very steep downhill through trees
- Mt. Jefferson as seen from #8's teepad

[Adam Schneider]

More photos...

- Hole #10, tree tunnel and double dogleg (right/left)
- Hole #12, downhill through firs
- Hole #16, 800 feet through a meadow to a backtracking mando left turn
- Hole #17, across a field then uphill into trees


Oh, and: Map of course #3 (http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_3.html)

[Trozzle!!!]

#8 is my favorite hole so far. my first ever drive through the $hit put it within 50 ft of the basket :)

[Adam Schneider]

The highland will remain gravel for now, just because it's short throw and for most it does not seem to matter on that course.
I agree... although if you have any concrete left over, it might be nice to have a pad on Highland #5, since it's a substantial throw, and a slip there can have worse consequences than elsewhere on the course.

[Trozzle!!!]

# 5? the pond hole? you have troubles making it across? that hole is nothing compared to Dabney hole 2.

[Adam Schneider]

# 5? the pond hole? you have troubles making it across? that hole is nothing compared to Dabney hole 2.
No, I've never had any trouble, but a lot of discs do end up in that pond (and on it, in the winter). I assume at least some of those splashdowns are from a loss of footing, since beginners get psyched out by the water and feel like they need to really wind up there. But even a lot of experienced players do need to take more than one step on that hole; it's 240' and uphill, which is a full drive for most people.

[SMOKIN JOE]

the only one I saw go in their came from hole 7, but it was neat last year seeing the way some of the discs stuck in the pond in the middle of the winter with snow on the ground, :cool2:

[Scott]

I don't think cement teepads on the Highlands course is the highest priority (although I do agree with Adam on hole 5), but it would be really nice to have them. Cement teepads give a course a very nice, professional, and finished look.

[Twitch]

Thanks Adam for the pictures and the map.

Looking at the map I believe (if I'm reading correctly) that the approaches break down:

Right to Left:
1, 5, 6, 11, 12 14, 15, 16, 18

Left to Right:
2, 3, 7, 9

Left to Right to Left :chinscratch::
10

Straight:
4, 8, 13, 17

To me this would seem to favor right-handed backhand or left-handed forehand. Are there alternate approaches? Looks pretty tight in the pictures you posted.

Thanks,

Mark

[Adam Schneider]

Most of the holes are so long and/or wooded that the map can be misleading.

For example, #18 has an uphill left turn at the end, but first it's 300'+ across a meadow and into a wooded clearing. That doesn't really favor anyone, unless they can throw 400' uphill. Similar story with #1 and #12. The end of #16 certainly favors RHBH or LHFH, but to get there you've got to get through several hundred feet of open meadow. #6 starts out straight up a hill. Other holes are such long, gentle turns (e.g., #2, #7, the beginning of #10) that they probably favor the "other" hand, with a turnover shot.

What was striking to me about the course was just how few holes are straight. Almost every hole breaks one way or the other, but I don't see a righty or lefty bias out there.

[Twitch]

Almost every hole breaks one way or the other, but I don't see a righty or lefty bias out there.

Cool Thanks Adam.

Oh, and great news about the improvements coming soon to the other courses. I did play for the first time last week at Horning's and I was impressed with the overall experience. I appreciated the fact that there were signs at the teepad no matter how primitive and other markers that pointed either toward the basket or the next tee.
-Soap Box-
That is what drives me crazy at Pier is the lack of signage and in my opinion what keeps it from being a excellent course.
-End Soap Box-
I thought that Canyon played shorter than the yardage because of number of teepads where elevated. My driver went back into the inner bag pocket after 1 and most holes I was using my Cheetah. I wanted to use my new Buzzz but I had yet to mark it which I did as soon as I got home. Anyway, even though I did not need a full windup for most tosses, I did find myself looking up for vines above the teepad pits and I caught myself once or twice making that old Activision 'Pitfall' pit swinging yodel.

Thanks,

-Mark

[DanD]

Can't wait to play Horning's... Thanks Bob (we say that a lot), Adam (not enough) and everyone else who keeps making this such a killer place to live!

[Hippy007]

To me this would seem to favor right-handed backhand or left-handed forehand. Are there alternate approaches? Looks pretty tight in the pictures you posted.

Thanks,

Mark

I would have to say it favors people that can miss trees. You will hit some before a round is over. I think the elevation is more of an issue on most holes. Only one or two have no real big elevation in them. From 6 basket to 13 basket is a long way down the side of a big hill (maybe it is a Mt. but not sure), I would guess a couple hundred feet or more.

Hippy007 :cool2:
Andy

[Adam Schneider]

The lowest point is the #16 basket, and the highest point is the #8 teepad. There's almost 200 feet of elevation between them. (Hagg Lake, by the way, covers about 250'.)

Here's a link to the map with the topo layer selected by default (contour interval = 40'): http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_3.html?gv_force_maptype=USGS_TOPO _TILES

Hole #8 alone drops about 100'.

[Sausage Fingers]

-Soap Box-
That is what drives me crazy at Pier is the lack of signage and in my opinion what keeps it from being a excellent course.
-End Soap Box-
PLEASE!

Feel free to make and install all the tee signs that you want!

We need a good betting pool on how many hours pass before the last sign is either stolen or demolished...:pirate:

PS I am NOT Ol Bob but I DO digress from time to time.

PPS Thanks for all the hard work out there Bob! Can't wait to play the new course in Team Disc Golf this winter.

[Ol' Bob]

Ol' Bob is without adequate signage at Mud at the moment. It ain't my fault, but it looks like it's become my job (in my spare time). I'll get on it right after I have new posts under my cabin and the last of the wood is split and stacked.

[Twitch]

PLEASE!

Feel free to make and install all the tee signs that you want!


Please enough with the exclamation points. I am not trying to ruffle any feathers and purely outlined that this was my opinion. Pier, of course, is a great place to play and everyone that I have brought with me has always left with their mouth agape. I just feel frustrated seeing new players look for teepads 7, 10, and 15. Also, I remember well, that even with the map finding the tees and pins was still a little challenging at times - especially when the baskets are in all the far locations. If the course location and vandals prevent the placement of signs, then it is still to the detriment to the course. Albeit outside everyone's control who really does care about DG.

Peace and have fun and sorry for the off topic trek,

Mark

[PDX_Stu]

Sorry, I have not been paying too much attention to these posts. Are baskets installed on all courses now?

Thanks

:chug:

[Bob Horning]

Sorry, I have not been paying too much attention to these posts. Are baskets installed on all courses now?

Thanks

:chug:

We're pouring cement today for the targets, and also hanging chains today and tomorrow, with the baskets going out in theory tomorrow too. So by Friday the new course will be playable, but with out signage yet. We will upgrade the other course after we're done with the new course.
later!

[Scott]

Sorry, I have not been paying too much attention to these posts. Are baskets installed on all courses now?

Thanks

:chug:

We poured the final nine tee pads today on the new course. We also had enough cement to go back and put a gentle slope on the front of 12 of the tee pads. The next few days will be digging holes and pouring concrete target placements and hanging chains on the new targets. Thursday hopefully we will be placing the targets on the course, so this weekend it will be playable, except no signage. Next week will be measuring final length and elevation changes, along with mapping this all out and sending this info to Houck design where they will make our signs.

So yes, the course should be playable this weekend, and in a few weeks when we get our signage we will have a grand opening for the course :cheers:

Here's your answer.

[Hippy007]

The lowest point is the #16 basket, and the highest point is the #8 teepad. There's almost 200 feet of elevation between them. (Hagg Lake, by the way, covers about 250'.)

Here's a link to the map with the topo layer selected by default (contour interval = 40'): http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_3.html?gv_force_maptype=USGS_TOPO _TILES

Hole #8 alone drops about 100'.

At the top of Tee pad #8 is a picnic table so you can sit and take a break once you get up there. very nice view from the table that we poured the legs for when we did the pad up there.

Hippy007 :cool2:
Andy

[ryanajanes]

if it is playable on friday, i will be there on friday....

[Hippy007]

if it is playable on friday, i will be there on friday....

That is what it sounds like and should be. Will be there my self alot over the next couple days

Hippy007

[Adam Schneider]

At the top of Tee pad #8 is a picnic table so you can sit and take a break once you get up there. very nice view from the table that we poured the legs for when we did the pad up there.
There won't be any Mt. Jefferson views until this smoke blows out of here, though...

[Twitch]

Where is the parking for the first tee? Is it the standard place and you simply have the long walk down the road?

Thanks,

Mark

[Trozzle!!!]

Park where you normaly would. follow the road up towards the house where you pay. a road goes right, take that. folow that until you see another road go right, the tee pad is to the left, up above the road. maps are available at Ma's house

[Hippy007]

Where is the parking for the first tee? Is it the standard place and you simply have the long walk down the road?

Thanks,

Mark

yup you get the long walk up the hill to the first tee but 18 is on the lower road so the walk out is not that bad. Also on disc course review I posted score cards fr hornings and it has a 3rd couse score card with first measurements so you have some idea. I will be playing on both fri and sat about 10 if you want to tag along and have a guild that knows the course.

Hippy007 :cool2:

[Twitch]

Also on disc course review I posted score cards fr hornings and it has a 3rd couse score card with first measurements so you have some idea. I will be playing on both fri and sat about 10 if you want to tag along and have a guild that knows the course.

Hippy007 :cool2:

Cool,

I found the Scorecard and 10am on Friday works great for me.

Thanks again all,

-Mark

[Adam Schneider]

Once Bob gets the final measurements, I'll put them on the on-line map, and I'll also make a printer-friendly version.

[Hippy007]

Cool,

I found the Scorecard and 10am on Friday works great for me.

Thanks again all,

-Mark

I'll be warming up at tee one of the canyon course waiting for all to show. should be a couple of us playing that day.

Hippy007 :cool2:

[Bob Horning]

Well folks, we put the last target in place about 45 minutes ago (8 PM, in the dark), so the course is now playable, but without signage. Our next step is some clean up, and then next week we'll measure everything out and send in the diagrams for the signage. Sometime in October we'll have the official grand opening with everything in place. It does look good now, with 5'9" wide X 12' tee pads (tee pad 16 is 16' long), and all the targets up through the hills. It's been a long time coming and afterwards I sat down with some friends and had a beer. Going back out to join them. :cheers:
later

[LegoRules]

Well folks, we put the last target in place about 45 minutes ago (8 PM, in the dark), so the course is now playable, but without signage. Our next step is some clean up, and then next week we'll measure everything out and send in the diagrams for the signage. Sometime in October we'll have the official grand opening with everything in place. It does look good now, with 5'9" wide X 12' tee pads (tee pad 16 is 16' long), and all the targets up through the hills. It's been a long time coming and afterwards I sat down with some friends and had a beer. Going back out to join them. :cheers:
later

Cheers to you Bob & your awesome crew :cheers:

[Adam Schneider]

Note that the distances on here are from my GPS, so they may be off a bit. Bob, let me know when you get the tape measurements.

http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_3_printable.jpg (http://www.oregondiscgolf.com/course_maps/Hornings_Hideout_3.html)

[grant]

Holy crap that is going to be a fun course to play. Thanks Bob and crew! It is really an awesome experience to play out there and now it is just going to be the bee's knees as my 2 1/2 year old would say. Can't wait to play out there again soon. Thanks again to all that have helped and thanks again Bob for doing this for all to enjoy. :yay::bowing::yay:

[D-Walk]

Do we have a par set for this course yet? :chinscratch:

[Bob Horning]

Do we have a par set for this course yet? :chinscratch:

As designed and at Gold Tee par lengths, holes 10 and 14 are par 4s, hole 16 is a par 5. The rest are par 3s. If you were playing it as a Blue tee course, hole 7 would also be a par 4. :cheers:

[Adam Schneider]

If you were playing it as a Blue tee course, hole 7 would also be a par 4. :cheers:
I'd think #18 might be too.

[Bluedisc]

As designed and at Gold Tee par lengths, holes 10 and 14 are par 4s, hole 16 is a par 5. The rest are par 3s. If you were playing it as a Blue tee course, hole 7 would also be a par 4. :cheers:

Par 58? Nice...:)

[Adam Schneider]

Added to DGCourseReview.com (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3578).

I'll be out there bright 'n' early tomorrow...

[Twitch]

yup you get the long walk up the hill to the first tee but 18 is on the lower road so the walk out is not that bad. Also on disc course review I posted score cards fr hornings and it has a 3rd couse score card with first measurements so you have some idea. I will be playing on both fri and sat about 10 if you want to tag along and have a guild that knows the course.

Hippy007 :cool2:

Thanks to the Horning's group for the round today. I was 34 over which minus two holes that I got 10's, I will take being an intermediate player.

Number 8 is an awesome for many reasons. First that the target is 100 ft below the pad and 400 ft down range. It also has a grand view and a very narrow wicked fairway.

Almost all holes offer real challenge and skill. The adage of the day was if you could see the basket from the tee, you where most likely looking at the wrong basket. If you could see the basket, the shot was, as my group mate said, just plain mean.

I think I personally will wait to go back until maybe next spring. Not because I did not enjoy the course, but simply to wait for all the signage to go up and for me to practice a little more. I also expect the fairways and landing zones to get worked in making the course more enjoyable as you will not be slogging through the holy bushes or needle as much.

I do encourage all intermediates and above to go out and have fun on the course. It is definitely an experience to play at least once now.

Thanks again Bob and all your crew.

-Mark

Warning:
Expect to lose plastic as this course is not worked in yet of course. Between our group of four we lost five discs. I lost a red Cheetah above and back of 14. I also lost an orange wraith 175ft off the 16th teepad to the left and down the hill.

[ryanajanes]

awesome course. i played it today and was probably 10 over, but it was still fun. good job on the course bob. im going to play it again before i make my final ruling, but i think this is my new favorite course.......i felt good about my par on 8.....that hole is crazy

[gwillim]

Played the course today. I think that the course should be a par 59. Hole 7 is a par four in my opinion. I shot a 61. I think the course record will get set at about 56 and stay there for a while.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Played the course today. I think that the course should be a par 59. Hole 7 is a par four in my opinion. I shot a 61. I think the course record will get set at about 56 and stay there for a while.

So I can expect to shoot a steller 100+? :shocked:

Bob

[gwillim]

So I can expect to shoot a steller 100+? :shocked:

Bob

Lol, I'm thinking you'll shoot in the mid to high 80s.

[JMan]

6801 feet with Adam's measurements, that of course does not include walkouts and searches.

[Adam Schneider]

I shot 67 this morning. Would have been 65 except that I tossed one over the road on #18. FYI, that is one O.B. you do NOT want to end up in... it's a near-vertical cliff.

One birdie on #15, and I very nearly got one on #4.

And Gwillim's right,#7 should be a par 4. If you make a good clean shot to the first landing zone, you're still looking at a longish dogleg right with a steep hill behind the basket. The other pro pars (4 on #10 and #14, 5 on #16) make sense.


By the way, note that the "yardage" on #15's tee sign is way off. The sign says 290', but if you take that on faith, you'll find yourself way past the basket. Scout it out first (it's completely blind from the tee). My map says 247', and I think that's closer to the truth.

[gwillim]

Shot a 59 today. I think someone will shoot 55 in the next few days. I'm pretty impressed with the new basket design, catches better than the Mach II New baskets at Pier. Also, the concrete tees are very roomy, even for Hagerty!!

[Hippy007]

I just got back from 3 days out there, 2 playing and one finish the basket and putting them out. Thanks from the Crew for coming out and breaking in the new course. It was very fun watching all the groups play the course we had put in the day before. This is by far the hardest and most fun course that beats me up.

I birdied 14 today with a 60 foot putt it was so nice and made the weekend all that much better.

Mark it was fun meeting you and playing with you.

Hippy007 :cool2:
Andy

[Trozzle!!!]

For some reason new course openings at Hornings seems to time it right with me being hurt and not getting to enjoy them. When the Canyon opened, I had a cut tendon, had to play it lefty. I got lucky wit the Highlands. Now that the Gold course is "open", I dont know when I will get to play it. Got a jacked up rt foot now, can barely walk. The doc's dont know whats wrong, took blood samples to test them. Possibly Gout, possibly an infected Bunion? they dont know, lol

Cant wait to play this course. I heard my name is set in concrete there? havent seen a pic yet.

[Bob Horning]

For some reason new course openings at Hornings seems to time it right with me being hurt and not getting to enjoy them. When the Canyon opened, I had a cut tendon, had to play it lefty. I got lucky wit the Highlands. Now that the Gold course is "open", I dont know when I will get to play it. Got a jacked up rt foot now, can barely walk. The doc's dont know whats wrong, took blood samples to test them. Possibly Gout, possibly an infected Bunion? they dont know, lol

Cant wait to play this course. I heard my name is set in concrete there? havent seen a pic yet.

Yep, on hole 8 I inscribed the names of the folks who came out and helped, though I did miss one person, he came out on Wednesday to help pour and I couldn't for the life of me remember his name, though I think it was John, so sorry. Figured it was a good spot for it, a place to take a break for a bit, catch your breath and enjoy the view. Glad everyone likes it, it was a long time coming. :trophy:

[Trozzle!!!]

Yep, on hole 8 I inscribed the names of the folks who came out and helped, though I did miss one person, he came out on Wednesday to help pour and I couldn't for the life of me remember his name, though I think it was John, so sorry. Figured it was a good spot for it, a place to take a break for a bit, catch your breath and enjoy the view. Glad everyone likes it, it was a long time coming. :trophy:

Sweet Bob!!!!! Thanks. cant wait to be able to play again and come see it :trophy:

[Bob Horning]

I shot 67 this morning. Would have been 65 except that I tossed one over the road on #18. FYI, that is one O.B. you do NOT want to end up in... it's a near-vertical cliff.

One birdie on #15, and I very nearly got one on #4.

And Gwillim's right,#7 should be a par 4. If you make a good clean shot to the first landing zone, you're still looking at a longish dogleg right with a steep hill behind the basket. The other pro pars (4 on #10 and #14, 5 on #16) make sense.

the trouble is that PDGA Gold Tee par guidlines call for a par 4 being at least 475 ft in a heavily wooded area, and at least 600 ft in a lightly wooded area. In a Blue tee rating system the distance calls for at least 400 ft in a heavily wooded area. The leagth of the hole is about 440 ft, so calling it a Gold tee par might be a streach, vs when I post the signs it will also have a par 4 Blue tee rating on the sign. In this case I would need some more expert opinion that it is a par 4 in gold tee before I list it that way on the sign (no disrepect for Greg of course, just that I want it to be very official so there are no issues in the future for any tournaments). I do have the option of taking out a tree or two to make it more fesable and fall under the guidelines, either way, though I'm not sure if folks like that idea or not. Any comments?

[Bruce]

Bob, I didn't get a chance to track you down out there, but some of those baskets near tee pads are dangerous. We had at least 3 drives land on teepads in our one round out there today, that were near baskets.

But I hope you folks enjoy this course, I personally didn't but there is potential out there.

[Adam Schneider]

Bob, I didn't get a chance to track you down out there, but some of those baskets near tee pads are dangerous. We had at least 3 drives land on teepads in our one round out there today, that were near baskets.
I did notice that the #2 basket was a bit close to the #3 pad.

[gwillim]

the trouble is that PDGA Gold Tee par guidlines call for a par 4 being at least 475 ft in a heavily wooded area, and at least 600 ft in a lightly wooded area. In a Blue tee rating system the distance calls for at least 400 ft in a heavily wooded area. The leagth of the hole is about 440 ft, so calling it a Gold tee par might be a streach, vs when I post the signs it will also have a par 4 Blue tee rating on the sign. In this case I would need some more expert opinion that it is a par 4 in gold tee before I list it that way on the sign (no disrepect for Greg of course, just that I want it to be very official so there are no issues in the future for any tournaments). I do have the option of taking out a tree or two to make it more fesable and fall under the guidelines, either way, though I'm not sure if folks like that idea or not. Any comments?

Bob,
I totally understand what you're saying, and I appreciate the research you did. I think the keyword from the PDGA is "guideline". Their guideline is not a mandate, just a suggestion. I would like to think that my opinion on the matter should be "expert", regardless, if you took a poll of all the professional golfers that play that hole, I would venture a guess that 80% of them would consider the hole a par four. I feel the same opinion would be held with most modern course designers.

I think it's one of the best holes on the course, and I would hate to see any trees come down, with the exception of perhaps the tree in the middle of the fairway right at the bend. Even without that tree, however, I would still consider the hole a par 4.

Sincerely,
Ryan Gwillim

[Jet]

Thanks to the Horning's group for the round today. I was 34 over which minus two holes that I got 10's, I will take being an intermediate player.
34's rule. I got the same score. Lost one disc. Fun course!:yay:

[Jet]

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[Jet]

If you play the new course it will take several hours so bring snacks and something to drink.

[Twitch]

I birdied 14 today with a 60 foot putt it was so nice and made the weekend all that much better.

Mark it was fun meeting you and playing with you.

Hippy007 :cool2:
Andy


Andy,

Good to hear about your birdie on 14 :yay:. I think that was where you had that great shot on Friday that landed just at the base of the approach, was it not?

Anyway, I had a blast on Friday playing with you all. I got a call from Horning's this morning that my Orange Wraith had been found. Now I just need to find that Cheetah of mine that went left on #10 down the side before the #14 basket.

Thanks again,

-Mark

[Hippy007]

Andy,

Good to hear about your birdie on 14 :yay:. I think that was where you had that great shot on Friday that landed just at the base of the approach, was it not?

Anyway, I had a blast on Friday playing with you all. I got a call from Horning's this morning that my Orange Wraith had been found. Now I just need to find that Cheetah of mine that went left on #10 down the side before the #14 basket.

Thanks again,

-Mark

not sure, I am sure your disc will be found if the number of people playing stays close to the same. I watched many more people throw there.


hippy007 :cool2:

[Bob Horning]

Bob, I didn't get a chance to track you down out there, but some of those baskets near tee pads are dangerous. We had at least 3 drives land on teepads in our one round out there today, that were near baskets.

But I hope you folks enjoy this course, I personally didn't but there is potential out there.

Hey Bruce, when I built the course I knew peoples reaction would be you'd either love it or hate it, I'm just glad most folks love it. As far as close tee pads, I know there is a couple I was concerned about, with possible solutions of making out of bound areas, better signage, and even a net guard for tee pads areas if it is still an issue. #3 pad is close to #2 target, though because of the angle of the throw, distance from the #2 tee pad and the uphill from the target I thought it would be safe, though a net would insure that. What tee pads were you concerned about? I do want any and all feed back, to make the course the best possible. Also, what didn't you like about it?
Thanks

[Bob Horning]

Bob,
I totally understand what you're saying, and I appreciate the research you did. I think the keyword from the PDGA is "guideline". Their guideline is not a mandate, just a suggestion. I would like to think that my opinion on the matter should be "expert", regardless, if you took a poll of all the professional golfers that play that hole, I would venture a guess that 80% of them would consider the hole a par four. I feel the same opinion would be held with most modern course designers.

I think it's one of the best holes on the course, and I would hate to see any trees come down, with the exception of perhaps the tree in the middle of the fairway right at the bend. Even without that tree, however, I would still consider the hole a par 4.

Sincerely,
Ryan Gwillim

Hey Ryan, I too would hate to change anything on that hole, it was just an option. If the community of professional golfers do believe that to be a fair par 4 then I would be comfortable going with it, I just need to hear it, that's all. I'll start a thread on the Horning's Hideout forum site and work it as a poll. Also next time you're up here point out that tree and we'll talk about it.
later,

[gwillim]

Hey Ryan, I too would hate to change anything on that hole, it was just an option. If the community of professional golfers do believe that to be a fair par 4 then I would be comfortable going with it, I just need to hear it, that's all. I'll start a thread on the Horning's Hideout forum site and work it as a poll. Also next time you're up here point out that tree and we'll talk about it.
later,

Sounds good Bob. Thanks for being so receptive to our comments!

[Scott]

and even a net guard for tee pads areas if it is still an issue. ...... though a net would insure that.
I hope that all options are explored before installing nets. I've seen these elsewhere, and IMO it really cheapened the course; kind of gave it a putt-putt golf feel.

[snap7times]

I hope that all options are explored before installing nets. I've seen these elsewhere, and IMO it really cheapened the course; kind of gave it a putt-putt golf feel.

Umm I would have to strongly disagree here... nets protecting a tee box from a fairway/basket that is adjacent is a good idea and I see them often, never seems to cheapen the course, but gives off the safety vibe. What courses have nets that seem to cheapen the course that you are talking about?

I will use these for example; Orangevale hole 3, Anderson hole 2/8 I think, and Tom Pearce hole 6.

[Scott]

Umm I would have to strongly disagree here... nets protecting a tee box from a fairway/basket that is adjacent is a good idea and I see them often, never seems to cheapen the course, but gives off the safety vibe. What courses have nets that seem to cheapen the course that you are talking about?

I will use these for example; Orangevale hole 3, Anderson hole 2/8 I think, and Tom Pearce hole 6.

Mineral Springs in Seattle.

I didn't say that the teepads shouldn't be protected. I merely said I hope all options are explored before nets are used.

[Tim]

I hope that all options are explored before installing nets. I've seen these elsewhere, and IMO it really cheapened the course; kind of gave it a putt-putt golf feel.

Heh, I wonder which course THAT could be? I assume you're referring to North Park, but I don't think the nets are the main issue with any putt-putt feel people might associate with it. They contribute to it, but I think it has more to do with the fact that it's "18" holes on less than 3 acres. That, and all the metal poles throughout the course. I know people have complained about the nets, but there's been more than one occasion where those nets have saved me a possible trip to the ER.

I agree that other options should be explored before hanging nets (for one thing, they're expensive), but if done properly, I don't think that nets would necessarily "cheapen" the course.

[Scott]

Heh, I wonder which course THAT could be? I assume you're referring to North Park, but I don't think the nets are the main issue with any putt-putt feel people might associate with it. They contribute to it, but I think it has more to do with the fact that it's "18" holes on less than 3 acres. That, and all the metal poles throughout the course. I know people have complained about the nets, but there's been more than one occasion where those nets have saved me a possible trip to the ER.

I agree that other options should be explored before hanging nets (for one thing, they're expensive), but if done properly, I don't think that nets would necessarily "cheapen" the course.

Yes, I am talking abou THAT course. :biggrin2: And yes, there are many reasons why a player often leaves the course wondering why he didn't see a windmill or a clown's mouth. And finally, yes, I'm sure nets could be tastefully done.

But.... I think they would still take away some of the natural appeal of the course. And there might still be other opportunities to make the hole safer without them, such as moving the basket, moving the teepad, or creating a mando.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Yes, I am talking abou THAT course. :biggrin2: And yes, there are many reasons why a player often leaves the course wondering why he didn't see a windmill or a clown's mouth. And finally, yes, I'm sure nets could be tastefully done.

But.... I think they would still take away some of the natural appeal of the course. And there might still be other opportunities to make the hole safer without them, such as moving the basket, moving the teepad, or creating a mando.

I talked some golfers who THOUGHT they DID see a clowns mouth out there. I let them know it was just SCOTT. :biggrin2:

Bob

[Scott]

I talked some golfers who THOUGHT they DID see a clowns mouth out there. I let them know it was just SCOTT. :biggrin2:

Bob
Big words, coming from a guy who just got beat down by an 11 year old.

[Bruce]

Bob, I'm going off memory hear so I hope I don't get the holes/tee pads wrong.

2 basket 3 pad

4 basket 5 pad? (The hole were the tee is 4/5 feet below ground level and you are throwing up hill, with the basket nestled on the hill side. There are two trees where a net would work perfectly to protect the tee pad from the fairway, and we talked about this as soon as we saw it on Saturday)

14 basket 15 pad (The hole where you shoot down off the hillside into the field, and then along the road, my upshot while granted was long was near the pad and Skelli's was on the pad.)

And the mando on 16... It's not needed, please remove that! (Though I think it would be much prettier hole if the basket was on top of the last rise through the field)

Those are just the holes off the top of my head, and I would like the second Ryan's comment about you being open to suggestions!

[Bob Horning]

Bob, I'm going off memory hear so I hope I don't get the holes/tee pads wrong.

2 basket 3 pad

4 basket 5 pad? (The hole were the tee is 4/5 feet below ground level and you are throwing up hill, with the basket nestled on the hill side. There are two trees where a net would work perfectly to protect the tee pad from the fairway, and we talked about this as soon as we saw it on Saturday)

14 basket 15 pad (The hole where you shoot down off the hillside into the field, and then along the road, my upshot while granted was long was near the pad and Skelli's was on the pad.)

And the mando on 16... It's not needed, please remove that! (Though I think it would be much prettier hole if the basket was on top of the last rise through the field)

Those are just the holes off the top of my head, and I would like the second Ryan's comment about you being open to suggestions!

All of these holes can be easily netted off if nessary. Moving the targets from these spots would be more difficult because of the way things are laid out. I'm going to try to use better signage that will show out of bound areas so folks are aware first off (coming in a few weeks), and if that doesn't help solve any issues then I'll go to the netting. The netting I have in mind would blend with the landscape and not be intrusive. I am surprised that tee pad 5 is of concern just because of the hard throw uphill and how high the pad is from target #4, but it is something we'll watch.

As far as the mando on 16 there are two reasons we need it: one is to make the hole a true par 5 for without the mando we loose at least 120 ft and it would not qualify for par 5. two is that we don't want people cutting down the steep hill where you first can see the target. So sorry, the mando stays.:slapface:

The course is meant to be a gold tee course, with par settings that are tough. A short cut without the mando there would only allow a par 5 rating if it was a blue tee course.

Thanks for the input, I really apprieciate it!

[Adam Schneider]

Yes, please don't take out the #16 mando; it's unique.

[Bullseye]

Yes, please don't take out the #16 mando; it's unique.

Agreed. But add one on the big downhill (8?) to prevent sidearms and lefties from throwing outside the treeline (and over the next teepad) to easily get down to the basket. Someone's gonna get thumped.

[Bob Horning]

Agreed. But add one on the big downhill (8?) to prevent sidearms and lefties from throwing outside the treeline (and over the next teepad) to easily get down to the basket. Someone's gonna get thumped.

We've placed that area out of bounds, have a sign now saying that, though if that doesn't work we will do a mando there too. You're right, folks should not throw there because of the next tee pad.

[gwillim]

Agreed. But add one on the big downhill (8?) to prevent sidearms and lefties from throwing outside the treeline (and over the next teepad) to easily get down to the basket. Someone's gonna get thumped.

Thanks Jeff...thanks a lot...jerk.

[Scott]

Thanks Jeff...thanks a lot...jerk. :laughing:
Agreed!

[Bullseye]

Thanks Jeff...thanks a lot...jerk.

You just had to gloat didn't ya. Last laugh = mine.

[rob smith]

Thanks Jeff...thanks a lot...jerk.

I second that!! and i haven't played the course yet :waaah:

[Bullseye]

I second that!! and i haven't played the course yet :waaah:

Yeah, its actually an awesome shot to watch too, but the flight path drops in right over the next tee.

[T-what?]

Awesome course! Played it today and I love the new chain configuration. With the way I putt, I had 2 spit outs(weak side & dead center)the whole round.

[Twitch]

Yes, please don't take out the #16 mando; it's unique.

I have my own two recommendations.

First on 16, if the time comes for multiple basket locations, please place the new location so that the angle is not so acute. It is a whole penalty shot if you can't get the disc far enough beyond the tree. The current basket is fine for the pro tournament location, but for us non pros who enjoy playing the new course, it is a little frustrating to add another shot on an already long hole.

Next on #8, when I was up there on Friday with Andy, Scotty, and Bob; Bob Horning pointed out a LHBH alternate fairway. I saw the line and I had a concern that from the tee it seemed very difficult to get the disc over into the alternate line. You seemed to need to throw from four to six feet to the left of the teebox. Has anyone else who can throw better found this so? Perhaps people could comment about the success of the alternate line and if it needs to be tweaked.

-Mark

[Susie Sunshine]

Bob (and everyone else who had a hand in it), thanks for all of your hard work. I really enjoyed the new course, though I now know why you had that sadistic laugh when we talked about it over the Summer. Haha! I hope to play it again soon.

I love the new chain configuration and can't wait to play the other courses with them.

[Bob Horning]

I have my own two recommendations.

First on 16, if the time comes for multiple basket locations, please place the new location so that the angle is not so acute. It is a whole penalty shot if you can't get the disc far enough beyond the tree. The current basket is fine for the pro tournament location, but for us non pros who enjoy playing the new course, it is a little frustrating to add another shot on an already long hole.

Next on #8, when I was up there on Friday with Andy, Scotty, and Bob; Bob Horning pointed out a LHBH alternate fairway. I saw the line and I had a concern that from the tee it seemed very difficult to get the disc over into the alternate line. You seemed to need to throw from four to six feet to the left of the teebox. Has anyone else who can throw better found this so? Perhaps people could comment about the success of the alternate line and if it needs to be tweaked.

-Mark

Hi Mark,
As far as #16 goes, my options are probably this: make a blue tee route, which would eliminate the mando and allow folks to cut through before the pro mando but make sure they don't try to walk down that steep area (erosion), two is have a second placement very close to the current mando turn, or three list the hole as a blue tee par #6. I mentioned that last option before and there was an outcry from some saying there was no such thing, I don't know yet.

On hole #8 as a lefty you can make that shot from the tee pad, it's tough, almost a heiser from the beginning but not quite. There is one tree there I was not sure about that may be moved, but I can wait on that until the juries in, can't put a tree back up:slapface:

I do have a poll for hole #7 going on the Hornings Hideout thread if folks want to have input there, it would be appreciated.
later

[Twitch]

Hi Mark,
As far as #16 goes, my options are probably this: make a blue tee route, which would eliminate the mando and allow folks to cut through before the pro mando but make sure they don't try to walk down that steep area (erosion), two is have a second placement very close to the current mando turn, or three list the hole as a blue tee par #6. I mentioned that last option before and there was an outcry from some saying there was no such thing, I don't know yet.

On hole #8 as a lefty you can make that shot from the tee pad, it's tough, almost a hyzer from the beginning but not quite. There is one tree there I was not sure about that may be moved, but I can wait on that until the juries in, can't put a tree back up:slapface:


Thanks Bob,

I agree not to be hasty with the chain saws. It would be cool to make a map of the hole with the trees in their proper places to really understand the lines -- if one does not already exist. Anyway, I will keep practicing the default route with my midrange or putter. The cool thing is for us LHBH, the disc will turn back into the slope and not go out of bounds.

That reminds me, I know that all that young chaparral off to the left will quickly grow. Within a few years, the big hyzer shot out left and then back in, will no longer be an issue once the alder and other small trees top fifteen to twenty feet. In fact, that stuff will get really thick and no one who wishes to keep their disc will want to throw in that direction. Time will kill that view though. It is currently a pretty spot but the table will still be a welcome shady restbit when that time comes.

Thanks again,

Mark

[BSTM]

Good point, even though I think it'll be quite a while till the view is gone.

[Bob Horning]

Thanks Bob,

I agree not to be hasty with the chain saws. It would be cool to make a map of the hole with the trees in their proper places to really understand the lines -- if one does not already exist. Anyway, I will keep practicing the default route with my midrange or putter. The cool thing is for us LHBH, the disc will turn back into the slope and not go out of bounds.

That reminds me, I know that all that young chaparral off to the left will quickly grow. Within a few years, the big hyzer shot out left and then back in, will no longer be an issue once the alder and other small trees top fifteen to twenty feet. In fact, that stuff will get really thick and no one who wishes to keep their disc will want to throw in that direction. Time will kill that view though. It is currently a pretty spot but the table will still be a welcome shady restbit when that time comes.

Thanks again,

Mark

Actually because of the immediate slope you will be looking over trees for quite some time, at least 15 years. The clear cut is already re-planted in fir trees, and they grow about 3 ft a year after the first couple of years. The alder and maples will be sprayed out so the firs can grow. The picnic table will have a veiw for a few years, being it's less slope right there, though the fir trees will alow some viewing through for a while. :cheers:

[sol]

Played the course today. I think that the course should be a par 59. Hole 7 is a par four in my opinion. I shot a 61. I think the course record will get set at about 56 and stay there for a while.

I played Horning's 3 for my first time the other day, and think it is fantastic. Bob and whomever else was involved have done a great job using topography to create difficult holes. I felt like I played some pretty outstanding golf and shot a 54 (Four 4's including a monster putt on the par five, four 2's and the rest 3's - only one bogey). Felt like one of my more solid rounds ever, interested to see how it stacks up. I tend to agree with Ryan's sentiment, 54felt pretty lights out, but I would love to see some other pro's tear it up.

Hole 7 is definitely a difficult par 3, and will most likely only get two'd by throw-ins from 150 ft and out. In all fairness though, it will also be three'd probably more than it is four'd by most open players. I definitely would approve of some teepad protection on the holes like 3, but I do not think this detracts from the course. May just need some tweaking.

As an amusing side note I was amply rewarded for this good round with my car not starting and having to get towed. Hilarious. Anyway this course is definitely a fantastic challenge, and I am grateful to be able to toss discs on this wonderful property. Thanks to all who made this course happen.