Differences in the roc?

[black mamba]

I do believe this conversation happened before but I am curious as to what each roc does (dx, kc-pro, ontario, etc.)

[Brian]

I am sure someone who is bored will go extensively into the nuances of the different Rocs. I can give my personal experiences but I don't' have time this minute.

[REDFIVE]

Dx roc-out of the box decent stability beats in to a hyzer flip disc in about 4 to 6 months give or take.
KC pro- out of the box a bit more stable than dx and will beat into hyzer flip in about 8 to 12 months give or take (money!)
Ontario- a bit more glide out of the box very easy to throw straight with a bit of come back at the end.
Champ- overstable out of box hyzer flip in years.
Star- similar to champ out of the box not sure how long they stay stable.

All in all the roc is the shnit. I recomend throwing dx until you learn the flight and moving to kc. Champ and star are a total different monster and can be used in their own way.

[Brian]

I use a star and a KC and an Ontario. The Ontario is crazy straight with a very floaty feel to the flight pattern. It really seems to float longer and farther than the other Rocs. I really like mine.

[Scott]

What type of plastic is the Ontario Roc?

[erp]

I use 2 ontarios (Star and DX) The star is as Brian describes - floaty and longish.

Occassionally I throw in a champion Ontario in the summer for longer shots with more turn at the end of the flight than the other plastics - the flight is a bit less floaty, but wicked straight!

The so-far unmentioned roc that I wouldn't play without carrying is the super roc. If I throw all my rocs equally in a field, these are usually 20 feet past the Ontarios particularly my super-beat, 'cancer' roc that is losing the top layer of plastic and is super under-stable. I can put this on an anhyzer line and it will carry it throughout the flight, flattening out and landing straight and flat.

I've lost count of the strokes that disc has taken off my games...

[CarlitosBonitos]

If I throw all my rocs equally in a field, these are usually 20 feet past the Ontarios particularly my super-beat, 'cancer' roc that is losing the top layer of plastic and is super under-stable. ...

Is the Cancer roc the Xout that I dyed for you??? THat is a perfect name for it if it is, made me laugh pretty hard... Did I just admit to laughing at cancer? Oopps my bad.. we need to get together for a round ERP.. what are you doing tomorrow?

[Iowa]

Don't forget the classic roc! I have never thrown one so I can't tell what they are like.

[Scott]

Don't forget the classic roc! I have never thrown one so I can't tell what they are like.

Doesn't really factor into this discussion because it is an entirely diffent mold.

[erp]

And, having thrown one, I can tell you that my experience was entirely forgettable...there are a few people that swear by them, but I don't have a need for them in my ~12 disc bag...

Doesn't really factor into this discussion because it is an entirely diffent mold.

[Ol' Bob]

I think "Classic Roc" was just too good a name for Innova's marketing department to pass up. They probably just put it on the next mold they tried out.

[olydiscgolf]

KC Rocs have a differents sound when you flick them, a little harder sounding. Flat top glow rocs are my roc of choice, I do carry both a DX and KC in my bag, but FT Glow is the most stable and most predictable for me. Predictability is the main reason for throwing rocs anyway. If you throw hyzer, they hyzer. If tyou throw an-hyzer, they anny.

[erp]

Similar condition, different disc - I'm on a hiatus from throwing until I can walk without a limp...I've got a lower back issue that shoots pain and numbness down my left leg and I have to fight the urge to throw for a few weeks to let things get back to normal.

That or go get treated for sciatica and pay a couple thousand dollars and wait a few weeks to throw.... but once I'm off the bench, I'm there...

Is the Cancer roc the Xout that I dyed for you??? THat is a perfect name for it if it is, made me laugh pretty hard... Did I just admit to laughing at cancer? Oopps my bad.. we need to get together for a round ERP.. what are you doing tomorrow?

[Ol' Bob]

Sciatica can be a pain in the ass: mine, right now. I'll probably play through the pain and hope it gets better. Walking usually helps. Sitting in a computer chair usually doesn't. Neither does mowing the course, which is overdue. Maybe I'll run over a Roc with the mower and get back on topic.

[olydiscgolf]

When my sciatic nerve acts up I try stretching the back of my legs. Its not a cure all, but it definetly helps. Im sure your doc has said the same thing. Oh yea ROC, there Im back on topic!

[erp]

Were it merely the ass - it's numbing and shooting pain down past the knee and everywhere in between.

I can't even contemplate rocs since that makes me think, " I can just go throw the West 9 at Rooster!"

Next day I'm getting out of bed feeling like I need a new hip.


Sciatica can be a pain in the ass: mine, right now. I'll probably play through the pain and hope it gets better. Walking usually helps. Sitting in a computer chair usually doesn't. Neither does mowing the course, which is overdue. Maybe I'll run over a Roc with the mower and get back on topic.

[Sam]

Flat Roc - those that have been stamped with a color stamp tend to lose the domey-ness. Stable out of the box and beat in to super straight to flippy even. I swear by this Roc - and never at it.

In my opinion, if I had two Rocs and only two Rocs, it would be a DX Ontario Glow (beat) and a Flat Roc.

Bottom line: The Roc is - to this point - the apex in disc manufacturing. There simply is not a better disc on the market.

[TYVEK]

Bottom line: The Roc is - to this point - the apex in disc manufacturing. There simply is not a better disc on the market.

Hey Sam (shaking your shoulder) Wake up sam, stop your dreaming. its time to get up out of bed. sounds like a really weird dream to me. :nahnah::laughing:

[Sam]

Hey Sam (shaking your shoulder) Wake up sam, stop your dreaming. its time to get up out of bed. sounds like a really weird dream to me. :nahnah::laughing:

Pffft... ye who throws plastic from an inferior manufacturer hath no place in this discussion about a disc you do not know how to throw.

:cheers:

[Scott]

Bottom line: The Roc is - to this point - the apex in disc manufacturing. There simply is not a better disc on the market.

The Roc is not a disc - it is a product line containing multiple discs. Hell, the Roc is almost a brand in itself.

[erp]

Yeah - the DX Ontario Glows are sweet, just a bit more stable than a DX of the same mold in my experience - sadly all mine were in lighter weights.

If I had to pick one disc to use for the rest of my life, I would be wondering which roc had the longevity...

Flat Roc - those that have been stamped with a color stamp tend to lose the domey-ness. Stable out of the box and beat in to super straight to flippy even. I swear by this Roc - and never at it.

In my opinion, if I had two Rocs and only two Rocs, it would be a DX Ontario Glow (beat) and a Flat Roc.

Bottom line: The Roc is - to this point - the apex in disc manufacturing. There simply is not a better disc on the market.

[Sam]

True, Scott... but you can find a Roc that anyone can throw and it will improve their game if they work with it and are dilligent in their practice.

[Scott]

True, Scott... but you can find a Roc that anyone can throw and it will improve their game if they work with it and are dilligent in their practice.

I agree 100%. I am not anti-roc at all (although I am not a sworn-convert, either). I throw a few and find them useful, but I'll admit to not knowing the finer points of all the different flavors.

I was just about to hit submit, but then I reread your post and just had to add this:

and it will improve their game if they work with it and are dilligent in their practice.

Can't this be said of almost any disc?

[Sean Phillips]

You guys are forgetting the best roc ever. The DX Santario flat bottomed rancho rocs. Freaking AWESOME!!

[TYVEK]

i have always wanted to know why there is so many different variations on the 'ROC' mold? Why cant a ROC just be a ROC?

I used to throw rocs, so i know how to "throw" them. but i hated the KC pro plastic. they were the first innova discs to be removed from my bag.

[Sam]

Can't this be said of almost any disc?

I don't think so. I think the versatility of the Roc is greater than any other disc made.

[JK_Aviar]

My vote goes for the 4x glo roc. Those babies are pretty overstable to begin with, but so far no other roc mold that I have had has been able to last the test of time. Mine is a yr. or so old and just starting to beat in to less overstable, and who doesn't love champ. glo plastic????

[SPIDER-DAN]

You guys are going to hurt yourself thinking about the many molds and plastic of the roc. Lets see how bad i can mess this up.

Dx rancho mold
dx rancho mold flat top (ching art)
dx rancho mold glow
star rancho mold
special blend rancho mold
champion rancho mold
champion glow rancho mold (seems to be the most overstable)
kc pro rancho mold
kc pro (soft) rancho mold (i love these.....soft and grippy)
* not sure the difference between 8x, 9x, 10x, etc. Though

dx ontario mold
dx ontario mold glow
star ontario mold
champion ontario mold

dx san marino mold
star san marino mold
echo star san marino mold
champion san marino mold
* there are the orginal dx san marino's from the 80's as well. Cant remember if there is a dx san marino glow mold...im sure there is.

Super roc mold........not sure all the kinds of plastic it comes in.

Dx classic roc
champion classic roc
*not sure if it came out in star or glow.

Well, let me know if I missed anything.......I'm sure there seven or so more different kinds out there.

[erp]

There are R-Wood rocs in Rancho and Ontario out this year - the Super Rocs are all 'super' plastic and Rancho mold, to my knowledge.

I've seen obscure notes on the innova site that say Super=Pro plastic, but I was skeptical as nobody proof reads their own fine print...


You guys are going to hurt yourself thinking about the many molds and plastic of the roc. Lets see how bad i can mess this up.

Dx rancho mold
dx rancho mold flat top (ching art)
dx rancho mold glow
star rancho mold
special blend rancho mold
champion rancho mold
champion glow rancho mold (seems to be the most overstable)
kc pro rancho mold
kc pro (soft) rancho mold (i love these.....soft and grippy)
* not sure the difference between 8x, 9x, 10x, etc. Though

dx ontario mold
dx ontario mold glow
star ontario mold
champion ontario mold

dx san marino mold
star san marino mold
echo star san marino mold
champion san marino mold
* there are the orginal dx san marino's from the 80's as well. Cant remember if there is a dx san marino glow mold...im sure there is.

Super roc mold........not sure all the kinds of plastic it comes in.

Dx classic roc
champion classic roc
*not sure if it came out in star or glow.

Well, let me know if I missed anything.......I'm sure there seven or so more different kinds out there.

[pop]

i have always wanted to know why there is so many different variations on the 'ROC' mold? Why cant a ROC just be a ROC?
.

The reason for this is that any one mold is only good for a certain number of disks, as the molds do wear out after about 50,000 disk are pressed with it. The fact that there are so many variations is a testament to the popularity of the roc mold. How many variations of the whippet have you seen?

Too bad that most of the posters seem to have not thrown a 180 gram San Marino Roc. That was the original mold (circa 1985) and it held its line throughout the flight. IMHO, there has not been another like it.

If you doubt this post, ask ten time world champion Ken Climo. Better yet, ask him what he has in his bag.