Splitting ace pots with your doubles partner

[Scott]

After the recent discussion in the aces thread I thought it would be fun to pose the question as a poll: Should aces-pots in doubles tournaments be split with the partner? Why or why not?

[aaron]

I voted yes but not a 50/50 split. If me and my partner have not set up a split before an ace is hit I will give them 10%.

[sillybizz]

I say yes if we decide on a split before we play but I voted no because if we don't agree on a split then there will be none. An ace is an individual achievement and I see no reason why you should be forced to split it with someone else. If we do agree on a split, the most I will ever go is 80/20 but in general I don't believe in a split.

[keys]

I voted yes because it allows for good park it, then run it strategy. It's also good sportsmanship and improves your chances of getting paid.

[Shaolintrained]

I voted yes. Most of the time, when the pot starts getting up there aways, someone will propose splitting the ace between all members on the card (perhaps a little disproportionately). This way there's an abundance of good vibes & your chances of walking away with a little cash is significantly greater.

[TYVEK]

yaeh yaeh yaeh, you all know i voted NO.


I voted that way because i believe that the ace is a personal acheivment and should be treated that way. if a hole is aceable then most likely it will be a easy birdie even if you dont ace it, so i dont think either person should park it. just GO FOR IT!! i would never split the acepot with the whole card! that is rediculous!! if people want some of the acepot then they shouuld go practice some more and hit some aces!

[Ol' Bob]

What if a player hits a black ace, does his partner split the beer payout?

I say split if your partner hits one on the round too.

[NWDiscer]

every single Ace i have gotten in a doubles event i have split with my partner 50/50 with the odd dollar if there was 1 going to me???

i can think of 4 right off the top of my head.....

as for the whole its an individual thing ????

what????? you are part of a team so what "you" threw it :waaah::waaah:

but if i am ever partnered up with any of you that wanna keep the whole thing for yourself say so ahead of time or i will expect half of it from you.......:puke::rolleyes2:


:kissflowers:

[Ol' Bob]

I have never played doubles where there was an ace pot. Without thinking about it, it just seemed to me that the person who hits it should get it. I'd say the chance of my hitting one is about one in ten thousand.

[Eric Olson]

I vote yes. It's a polite courtesy. I wouldn't want to force it on anyone who felt differently though.

[Brian]

Like Ol' Bob said, an ace is a personal thing. Your partner has just as much chance to hit it as you do. I would never have even thought of splitting a personal achievement with someone else. In every sport there is if you hit a personal achievement with a payout, it is yours to keep. You say in doubles DG that having the partner helps you feel more comfortable with ace runs so it is a team effort. Michael Jordan couldn't win a single game by himself without his team, but I am pretty sure he didn't share any of his cash form personal achievements with his teammates.

[olydiscgolf]

every single Ace i have gotten in a doubles event i have split with my partner 50/50 with the odd dollar if there was 1 going to me???

i can think of 4 right off the top of my head.....

as for the whole its an individual thing ????

what????? you are part of a team so what "you" threw it :waaah::waaah:

but if i am ever partnered up with any of you that wanna keep the whole thing for yourself say so ahead of time or i will expect half of it from you.......:puke::rolleyes2:


:kissflowers:

How can you EXPECT half of somebody else's ace? Splitting the ace pot isn't a written rule, granted different courses' have different implied rules that go along with the course. Maybe at your course, splitting the pot is the norm, but its certainely not universal! It would seem to me that no pre-ace arangement means no splitting the pot!

[Phatjay]

I was playing the 02 or 03 Whistlers Bend Doubles Shootout and there was this little 150 ft. hole with about a 25ft. elevation drop. The water was about 5ft. behind the basket so looking through the basket all you could see is water. My brother went first and wedged his putter under the wheel of the basket, if he went in the water there was no way i would have gone for it. He gave me the green light and I aced it and he got half or close to it anyway. I think he bought me a disc with part of it or something or maybe dinner that night. I cant remember that part but I sure do remember the ace.

[SMOKIN JOE]

no I don't believe they should, you don't pay in it as a team, most doubles tournaments i've been in we have said we would split it if that would happen but I wouldn't be offended if they didn't, it's hard to split a c.t.p if you win, most c.t.p.'s i've seen at doubles events have only one pearson in mind, if it was not said ahead of time than i would expect nothing, maybe a noble kickdown,:cool2:

[REDFIVE]

I have always thought that it goes without saying that aces are split. I would rather have 100% more shots at 50% the pot than half as many shots for 100% of the pot. In the long run it would even out but sharing makes you cool.

[Brian]

If someone even offered it to me I would say Heck no! You earned it not me!

[JMan]

Regardless of a separate buy-in, you and your partner become a team, a 50/50 split is just good form. After all if your team wins the day you split the pay-out 50/50 right? Or are you counting how many of your shots you take, and those of the partner, then splitting the pot based on that percentage? I doubt it. Yea guys, manners count.

[zippyboy]

Meh. My $.02

So, lets say that some touring pro, maybe Barsby for instance, comes to your weekly doubles event. He gets paired up with some guy who really only throws frisbees in a park. The two manage to go -18 for the round, and win first place that week. Should Barsby take the full purse since he was obviously carrying the other player all round? I mean, he could have thrown -18 all by himself...


* He did not take the full payout (though he was kind enough to let me putt out all 18 holes he parked). Now that I mention it, isn't there some N/A gift certificate we won, too? :biggrin2:

[kyle95]

i voted no, but for me it all depends on how big the ace pot is. If the pot is bigger than $200 i have no problem splitting it but if it is lower i wont split it.

[Trozzle!!!]

The only reason I could see not splitting the ace pot is if you were the first on your team to throw the hole and aced it. Your partner didnt throw first and park it, which gave you the chance at an ace run. This happened to me once at Tue 2's and Sam got his share of the pot. I did and still will split the ace pot with my partner, but truly, it wasnt a partner assisted ace.

[smobro]

If someone even offered it to me I would say Heck no! You earned it not me!

This is the right answer. I have never taken ace pot money from the one partner that I have had that hit it. :nahnah:

[Chuck Kennedy]

I usually suggest a 60/40 split with my partner before starting. I think some of you who feel it's an individual achievement are assuming the doubles format is Best Shot. However, in other formats like Alternating Shot, you or your partner may have more tee offs and ace chances in the round depending on how your alternating works out over the round.

[CarlitosBonitos]

I would probably kick down $20 bucks if its a larger ace pot, but I am not giving them half regardless of the format or who threw first, or our friendship status, or even our ratings as I have heard suggested. I am one that offers up a card split like Shaolin Trained mentioned. If the pot is over a $100, then I usually ask everyone if they agree to a 20% per non ace hitting player and they player who hits the ace wins the remaining 40%; or some creative split, but if we didnt talk about it, then that money is either all mine or all yours and either of us can buy beverages accordingly. :chug:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I would probably kick down $20 bucks if its a larger ace pot, but I am not giving them half regardless of the format or who threw first, or our friendship status, or even our ratings as I have heard suggested. I am one that offers up a card split like Shaolin Trained mentioned. If the pot is over a $100, then I usually ask everyone if they agree to a 20% per non ace hitting player and they player who hits the ace wins the remaining 40%; or some creative split, but if we didnt talk about it, then that money is either all mine or all yours and either of us can buy beverages accordingly. :chug:

So can I have the other 40%?

Bob :D

[Scott]

So can I have the other 40%?

Bob :D

Back to math class, Bob.

20% + 20% + 20% + 40% = 100%

[Uhlman]

I'd defiantly buy my partner a tasty beverage. No reason to be stingy with my good fortune.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Back to math class, Bob.

20% + 20% + 20% + 40% = 100%

Ok, that is IF he is talking 4 people on the card all splitting. If only he and his partner as I ASSUMED then there is 40% left over.

%20 Non Ace Partner
+%40 Ace Thrower
_____
=%60

Back to math class SCOTT!:nahnah:

Bob

[CarlitosBonitos]

Ok, that is IF he is talking 4 people on the card all splitting. If only he and his partner as I ASSUMED then there is 40% left over.

%20 Non Ace Partner
+%40 Ace Thrower
_____
=%60

Back to math class SCOTT!:nahnah:

Bob

Yeah Bob I was tlaking about a card of four... otherwise if we played doubles in cards of two there would be some really low scores and a pile of 40% of the pot laying on the ground

[Scott]

Ok, that is IF he is talking 4 people on the card all splitting. If only he and his partner as I ASSUMED then there is 40% left over.

%20 Non Ace Partner
+%40 Ace Thrower
_____
=%60

Back to math class SCOTT!:nahnah:

Bob


You read his entire post, right?

I am one that offers up a card split like Shaolin Trained mentioned.

Geeez..... kids today. :slapface:

[Flatroc]

I was playing the 02 or 03 Whistlers Bend Doubles Shootout and there was this little 150 ft. hole with about a 25ft. elevation drop. The water was about 5ft. behind the basket so looking through the basket all you could see is water. My brother went first and wedged his putter under the wheel of the basket, if he went in the water there was no way i would have gone for it. He gave me the green light and I aced it and he got half or close to it anyway. I think he bought me a disc with part of it or something or maybe dinner that night. I cant remember that part but I sure do remember the ace.

I know that hole! :biggrin2:
Shaweet Ace. :cheers:

[snap7times]

I think it really just depends how much money it is... if it was the $1200 that a certain someone won during oregon series last year, then heck no dont split it, maybe buy everyone a keg or something.. If it's 75 bucks then, do whatever u want... just stirring the pot

[Scott]

I think it really just depends how much money it is... if it was the $1200 that a certain someone won during oregon series last year, then heck no dont split it, maybe buy everyone a keg or something.. If it's 75 bucks then, do whatever u want... just stirring the pot

I tend to agree. I'm all for splitting the ace pot, but I play doubles at Orchard where the pot seldom gets about $100.00. I think if it got much above $300 I would probably slide $100 to my partner and keep the rest for my greedy self. :biggrin2:

For the record, I've split two aces with partners, but I have never had a partner of mine get an ace.

There have been at least three instances in the last two years where someone has just hit their very first ace and somebody else comes up to me afterward and asks me to go explain to the person the protocol of splitting the pot. In fact, that happened just this week. I have no problem with doing that, but it seriously begs the question - why me? Am I really the most diplomatic guy you could find? Somehow, I doubt that. :laughing:

[keys]

For the record, I've split two aces with partners, but I have never had a partner of mine get an ace.


Thanks Scott. Didn't we four the hole right after your ace too. :headbang:

[Chuck Kennedy]

What if your partner paid your team's entry fee and you hadn't paid him back yet for your half. You hit the ace. Is it all his money to decide how it's handled between you? :chinscratch:

[CarlitosBonitos]

Am I really the most diplomatic guy you could find? Somehow, I doubt that. :laughing:

Now you come clean the diet coke off of my computer!

[Ol' Bob]

Now you come clean the diet coke off of my computer!

Man, that Aspartame can really make people sick all right.

[Ol' Bob]

How many cans of worms can one question open?

I understand the Lakota had a word for gold that meant, "the yellow metal that makes the white man crazy." I used to love to play pool, wanted to be the best, but hated to play for money. Then I stopped going into bars, or out in public in general, and was saved by disc golf. DG gave me that venue to hone a personal skill, independent of anyone else's scoring results, except where everyone keeps track. I pretty much always suck in tournament play. (I did win that CTP at GeezerGolf '08.) But anyway, I pretty much avoid doing anything for money. I found a long time ago that almost no one maintains a grasp on reality where a buck is concerned, myself included. I told my shrink that I was, "commerciophobic." Anyway, it's interesting to see that people seem to get to varying splits depending on the size of the pots. I have one ace in my career, and all I got for it was the Sausage Guy's and Steve's signatures on my FLX Buzzz. You know what, that was a really big deal.

[Scott]

What if your partner paid your team's entry fee and you hadn't paid him back yet for your half. You hit the ace. Is it all his money to decide how it's handled between you? :chinscratch:

Not around these parts. There is more neighborly (for lack of a better word) aspect to it. A resaonable solution to your scenario would be to give your partner 1/2 the ace pot, and then give him your entry fee.

But this really seems to be a local custom. It would be cool if the poll showed demographics - I strongly suspect the majority of the yes respondants are from Oregon.

[Bruce]

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but anytime I've hit an ace in tournament or doubles I've given half of it to my partner or the club or establishment hosting then venue (Fernburner/lucky mud for instance) I believe in good karma!

[Scott]

Thanks Scott. Didn't we four the hole right after your ace too. :headbang:

I thought we agreed not to talk about that. :nono:

[Brian]

Maybe it's just a personal thing, but anytime I've hit an ace in tournament or doubles I've given half of it to my partner or the club or establishment hosting then venue (Fernburner/lucky mud for instance) I believe in good karma!


See, I would rather give half back to the club myself.

[Greg_R]

An ace is an individual achievement and I see no reason why you should be forced to split it with someone else.If partner A parks the hole then you have a green light to run the chains (which normally would result in a difficult 2nd shot if you miss). IMO, having a risk-free run at the chains is an advantage that you gained by having a partner. Also, with a good partner on an easy course (say like Orchard Park) you can take more risks.

Having said that, I think there is a difference between a $50 Orchard ace pot and a $500 ace pot. For larger amounts, I would talk about it before hand (80/20 split, etc.). I view getting any cash from a partner's Ace as a thank-you... not an expectation.

[Ol' Bob]

... a thank-you... not an expectation.

Now that's very different.

The poll was quite limited in scope.