Dream Disc

[RonTheWhip]

I've laid awake many a nights wondering what it would be like to have influence at the Innova Factory or Discraft Factory. What kind of discs in various plastics would I make? What would you make?

Elite Z Eagle
Champion Predator
Elite Z Classic Roc
Champion XD

And so many more...but I'll let you guys pick some as well.

[zippyboy]

A champion TeeRex that flies like the 1st Star one that I ever bought. Hell, I'd even be happy with a Star TeeRex that flies like my first one. I agree with the Champion XD (because the Star one is NOTHING like the DX version). Maybe even Pro would work. I'd also like an Elite Z Avenger SS. Can't really think of much more than that...

[REDFIVE]

CE Wraith or Teerex.

[Adam Schneider]

Champion Cheetah.

[Scott]

CE Wraith or Teerex.

Oooh yeah..... :drool:

[Pizzel]

I agree with the Champion XD (because the Star one is NOTHING like the DX version). Maybe even Pro would work.Holly Cow.......Pro XD.......great idea!!!! I would love a Champ as well.

[proto something or other]

I'd also like an Elite Z Avenger SS.

I may be mistaken, but don't they make Z Avenger SS's? Or are they limited to ESP?

I would like a stack of DX Comets. A whoooooole stack of 'em.

[Bluedisc]

Champion Cheetah.
I don't know you, but I like the way you think...:wink2:

[zippyboy]

I may be mistaken, but don't they make Z Avenger SS's? Or are they limited to ESP?

I would like a stack of DX Comets. A whoooooole stack of 'em.


I'm pretty sure they make Pro D Comets - in fact, I think my dad just ordered himself one. I got him hooked on disc golf this weekend (as I did with my brother and his wife).

I will search again for the Z Avenger SS's. I swore it was just in ESP and FLX. Also, that CE Teerex would be AWESOME.

[Adam Schneider]

I'm pretty sure they make Pro D Comets - in fact, I think my dad just ordered himself one.
Nope, just X and ESP.

But they do indeed make Z Avengers: http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=73&PPQT1=45

[larsonjeff]

I don't know you, but I like the way you think...:wink2:

They made these, and you can still find them out there... gottagogottathrow.com had some recently.. they were X-outs.. but seemed OK to me.

[Eric Olson]

I'd start by ordering up some Rocs made from Gateway S plastic. I'd also take a Wizard in Cryztal.

[Tim]

I may be mistaken, but don't they make Z Avenger SS's? Or are they limited to ESP?

They make Z avengers, no SS's though. They DO however, make the SS in Cryztal, only available as CFR discs of course, though.

I agree on the Gateway S for discs across the board, particularly the superglow plastic.

I'd also like to see star/champ gazelles--that fly like DX gazelles, that is.

[zippyboy]

Ok. Per Discraft's site:

Avenger SS's: Only available in ESP and FLX
The original Avengers: Available in X, Z, ESP, and FLX

Also, the Comet is only available in X and a limited run ESP

Hopefully this clears up any confusion. :headbang:

[DexterHawk]

I have a couple crystal Avenger SSs that I would trade... for San marino rocs... KC aviars or Bosses

[zippyboy]

I have a couple crystal Avenger SSs that I would trade... for San marino rocs... KC aviars or Bosses

Are they CryZtal Z Avenger SS's or are they Cryztal ESP or FLX discs? Not that I have what you're looking for necessarily. However, I do have a really light KC (champion) Aviar, (it is marked with my contact info, though). :o

[Mace]

Star Cheetah!
Star Gazelle?
FLX Pigs!?!?!?
:explode:

[DexterHawk]

They are crystal... I don't think I would use a champion putter (just too slick and too hard to beat in)... what else you got?

[Leftybagger]

I have a couple crystal Avenger SSs that I would trade... for San marino rocs... KC aviars or Bosses

I have a couple of these. Haven't thrown one yet. I got them from the AK State Championships I went to. Cryztal Z Avenger SS. I am not even sure what they do!!

[zippyboy]

The thought of them makes me happy. Unfortunately, I am more or less new to the sport, so I don't have a bunch of unmarked discs that I got for scrip or anything. And I have very little that would be considered collectible.

[Micah]

10X KC San Marino's would be nice.

[user name]

Star/Pro X2

Pro Gator (both in the driver and the softer Pro materials)

[Bruce]

I want a Star Boss already :( That's all. Maybe....some new champion Gazelles too...

[Pizzel]

I want a Star Boss already :( That's all. Maybe....some new champion Gazelles too...
Ooohhhh, I would love a Pro Boss if it flew like the Champ Start Stamp Boss. Those would go really, really far!

[CarlitosBonitos]

Bring on the Star Boss! That would be sick at about 173 grams, S's for days.:rockon:

[sillybizz]

Found this thread and I thought I would bring it back. Some of them on your guys lists have been put into production! I would go crazy for a FLX Starfire, my favorite Innova driver or a FLX Aviar would be pretty cool. Also a Star Flick! mmmmmm

[runnaman]

I have literally had a dream where I've found a Opto line/FLX/Champ Core. An interesting mix, but it sounds/looks awesome in my dream.

[REDFIVE]

Champ glow aero or KC mako.

[Iowa]

FLX Crush. That would be amazing!

[General Scales]

Z Avenger SS Stability: 0.5 Max Weight: 174 gm
This should stop this silly debacle of people saying there aren't elite z avenger s.s. I should know cause I have three and have lost 3.

As for dream discs. Bring back the MRV! In Flx
FLX Leopard
FLX Core (Lat 64)
FLX Dart would be cool too. Although the new blend of star for putters and midranges is pretty much flx.

[Nathan]

Z Avenger SS Stability: 0.5 Max Weight: 174 gm
This should stop this silly debacle of people saying there aren't elite z avenger s.s. I should know cause I have three and have lost 3.

As for dream discs. Bring back the MRV! In Flx
FLX Leopard
FLX Core (Lat 64)
FLX Dart would be cool too. Although the new blend of star for putters and midranges is pretty much flx.
Ya. The Z Avenger SS's have been out since well before this thread was started. Dream Disc= ESP APX, Z Pulse and for Discraft to bring back the swirl plastic. (not happening)

[captain jack]

I love my Star Light Boss, the combination of lighter weight with high stability makes it a great disc to throw.

I wish Dave would make some Star Light Destroyers, and Xcalibers.
I can only imagine how far I could toss an Xcal if were maybe 10 grams lighter, like around 164 grams, but super stable.

Star plastic is by far my favorite,if there was only one plastic out there, this would be my choice.

I do like Elite Z plastic better than Champion, I could see a couple of fun discs from Innova in Elite Z, like a Gazelle, or an Eagle maybe.

[smobro]

any disc that goes exactly where you want it to each time. Or, a Super Soft Breeze!

[Toby Puttzinski]

Which manufacturer is it that's experimenting with the use of two plastics in one mold?
... I read something about this, and I thought it'd be great to have a putter with a stiff flight plate and soft edges.

[prospect]

CE Destroyers and Xcals, 172g

[Huk-DMC]

FLX Gators(big bead champ mold)
Star Wasp
R-Pro Breeze

this is fun...:jumpspin: thats all for now.

[KCrabtree]

Champ glow aero or KC mako.

hopefully climo wins 2010 worlds for that kc mako then

[REDFIVE]

C'mon kenny!

[cefire]

An R-Pro Thumbtrack-less Birdie would be sweet...

[Will of Doom]

My dream disc is one that isn't damaged when i hit a tree.
Proline spiders and monsters are also sweet! :D

[Pizzel]

Star XD

Champ XD

Special Blend XD

Eco XD

Pro XD

[Trozzle!!!]

I agree with Pinkal, XD's :drool:

[snap7times]

opto stalker
flx leopard
Z glo Gazelle

[GettinBetter]

Star Gazelle
DX Boss
Pro Classic Roc
ESP Stalker (coming soon I think)
X Zone

[Toby Puttzinski]

One more vote for the FLX Leopard.

Elite Swirl Wizard.
Champion APX Swirl.
Supersoft Buzz.
R Pro Storm.

[RonTheWhip]

Ya. The Z Avenger SS's have been out since well before this thread was started. Dream Disc= ESP APX, Z Pulse and for Discraft to bring back the swirl plastic. (not happening)

I asked Discraft if they'd ever make a Z Pulse and they I don't believe the demand is sufficient. Which is too bad since it is one of my favorite drivers and the Z plastic is the best plastic ever. I also think that the Z plastic would look sweet with the Pulse mold, the same way the champ monarch looks cool when the light gets refracted through the groove.

[Parks]

I'd just like to see more consistent plastic.

It seems like we have more variation in our standard equipment than any other sport.

[cefire]

I'd just like to see more consistent plastic.

It seems like we have more variation in our standard equipment than any other sport.

I'd have to disagree with that, it seems when you play any sport competitively for a long period of time, you'll figure out the nuances in the equipment.

Billiards is the only sport I've played for a long time where the equipment (balls anyway) still seem consistent. Tennis balls, tennis rackets, soccer balls, curling rocks all have variation in the way they fly/move even though they are "branded" as the same product.

[LJ Jubner]

SE Panther

[sillybizz]

I asked Discraft if they'd ever make a Z Pulse and they I don't believe the demand is sufficient. Which is too bad since it is one of my favorite drivers and the Z plastic is the best plastic ever. I also think that the Z plastic would look sweet with the Pulse mold, the same way the champ monarch looks cool when the light gets refracted through the groove.

Tell Discraft there is one more who wants a Z Pulse! I would buy at least five of them like I did the Stalker. I'm with you Dion the Pulse is awesome, now I just need to learn to throw it more than 300 feet! :headbang:

[D.L.]

yellow CE rainbow foil Circle Stamp Gator
heated grip FLX Electroglo Rattler with built in micro torch/bottle opener

[Ol' Bob]

The Dude and I are both Rattler uses? I bet we both like our Credence too.

[General Scales]

I'd also really love to see FLX or Elite X Ringers. Effin best putter ever made.

[Bluedisc]

Star XD

Champ XD

Special Blend XD

Eco XD

Pro XD
:chinscratch:

You know, I heard a rumor that Innova lost a crazy amount of money testing XD's with different plastics in third world markets.....probably because it's the worst mold ever created...:wink2:

[RonTheWhip]

I'd also really love to see FLX or Elite X Ringers. Effin best putter ever made.

I'm a beliver of the Ringer, I'd love to have any other type of plastic for upshots and drives. I think a Z Ringer would be amazing, but I'd settle for ESP or Elite X. The D plastic wears in far too quickly for the amount of use I put it through.

[General Scales]

I think a Z Ringer would be amazing, but I'd settle for ESP or Elite X. The D plastic wears in far too quickly for the amount of use I put it through.

I totally agree with that. Although my beat pro-d ringer is definitely my goto for turnover approaches in the wind. Keep a beat one, a slightly beat one and a new one. Slight beat for straight, super beat for turnover and new for hyzer.

This putter replaced my FLX Challenger and my soft apx. The only putter I now use. Thank you Discraft! :trophy:

[Parks]

Billiards is the only sport I've played for a long time where the equipment (balls anyway) still seem consistent. Tennis balls, tennis rackets, soccer balls, curling rocks all have variation in the way they fly/move even though they are "branded" as the same product.

Right, and some baseballs are more tightly wound than others and fly farther.

I didn't say that there was zero variation in the equipment of other sports, just that we have more variation than others.

Given two new tennis balls and the same power and spin on them, they will both go in roughly the same direction. One may have more spring than the other, but one won't go left and one won't go right.

On the other hand, I have a new Star Valkyrie that is 0 turn stable that goes straight and finishes left with a lot of power, when that same power will turn over a different brand new Star Valkyrie (same weight) quite a bit and fades straight or even right. The lines are completely different.

[Ol' Bob]

Innova -- No Two Alike!

[catalystdg]

that is the reason i started throwing gateway i can buy a new illusion and it flies exactly like one i bought 4 years ago

[Ol' Bob]

I really love the Innova discs I love. It's why it hurts so bad to lose one. Because it was the one you use. You grumble, get out the back-up, and cuss it because it's not the one you just lost. I stick with Innova for my longer drivers because I can drive them farther than the other companies' molds. I've never bought three or four new identical weight and mold drivers and had two of them be the same. And as far as their break-ins, they seem to shake out differently too. The good ones are gold, and the rest eventually get into the Club Mud box.

[Pizzel]

:chinscratch:

You know, I heard a rumor that Innova lost a crazy amount of money testing XD's with different plastics in third world markets.....probably because it's the worst mold ever created...:wink2:
Your mom makes a lot of money in third world markets and she is moldy!

[NWDiscer]

Your mom makes a lot of money in third world markets and she is moldy!


Oh-Oh it has done been brought...and so close to x-mas:eek:

[Parks]

Innova -- No Two Alike!

This holds for all manufacturers.

Yes, catalyst, even Gateway, and even Illusions :D

I remember a couple years back when Garrett Guthrie was bombing the Baby Blue Illusions for distance because they were superior on distance lines (and flippier) than others.

[General Scales]

Yeah, it's true that every company discs will have issues with being constant in their ratings vs what they actually do in play. The perpetual problem with Innova is they don't change their ratings for their discs in different plastics even though anyone who has played for any time at all knows they are different.

At least Discraft changes the rating depending on the plastic being used.

[Parks]

That's not really the issue.

The issue is that the same mold in the same plastic, same weight, and even same run can fly strikingly different from disc to disc, for all manufacturers.

One of the reasons I'm looking forward to Vibram's full on commitment to the market is because they have the ability to mold in a highly uniform manner.

[Tim]

Which manufacturer is it that's experimenting with the use of two plastics in one mold?
... I read something about this, and I thought it'd be great to have a putter with a stiff flight plate and soft edges.

That's the Ion. The company has the memorable name of Cam Realty.

Looks like they'll have a few available soon: http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15566

[captain jack]

Which manufacturer is it that's experimenting with the use of two plastics in one mold?
... I read something about this, and I thought it'd be great to have a putter with a stiff flight plate and soft edges.

Quest molded some drivers like that, I think they were Odysseys.
Rock hard domed flight plate, gummy rim.

[General Scales]

That's not really the issue.

The issue is that the same mold in the same plastic, same weight, and even same run can fly strikingly different from disc to disc, for all manufacturers.

One of the reasons I'm looking forward to Vibram's full on commitment to the market is because they have the ability to mold in a highly uniform manner.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Vibram holds up against the big boys. I have only ever seen one disc though. A putter and I can't remember what it was.

[Ol' Bob]

I want discs with locater systems.

[Tim]

I want discs with locater systems.

I remember our discussions on that topic before. I happened to hear about such a thing for bolfers: http://www.radargolf.com/ If they could drop the price a bit and just sell the chips, it could very well be a feasible product for discers.