First Time Discraft Buyer

[eric25]

And I could use a little help. So far these are the discs I'm going to buy.

Pro-D Cyclone 160-169
Elite-Z Avenger 170-172
Elite-X Buzzz 173-176
Pro-D Hawk 160-169
Pro-D Magnet 160-169

I'm wondering what a good recommendation for a third driver would be. So far the Elite-X XL sounds appealing to me, but I figured people that actually throw Discraft would be able to provide better information then the internet.

If this helps, I throw hard, but I can't throw very far (I just found out today that I can throw a little over 300 feet on a flat surface) and I'm pretty weak. I throw left-handed forehand/sidearm, and I'm learning right-handed backhand (it's what feels natural).

Thanks in advance for any input.

[Scott]

And I could use a little help. So far these are the discs I'm going to buy.

Pro-D Cyclone 160-169
Elite-Z Avenger 170-172
Elite-X Buzzz 173-176
Pro-D Hawk 160-169
Pro-D Magnet 160-169

I'm wondering what a good recommendation for a third driver would be. So far the Elite-X XL sounds appealing to me, but I figured people that actually throw Discraft would be able to provide better information then the internet.

If this helps, I throw hard, but I can't throw very far (I just found out today that I can throw a little over 300 feet on a flat surface) and I'm pretty weak. I throw left-handed forehand/sidearm, and I'm learning right-handed backhand (it's what feels natural).

Thanks in advance for any input.

Just out of curiosity, why the sudden switch to Discraft?

The only d-craft I regularly throw is a Z-wasp. Feels and throws like a champion roc for a fraction of the price. Very nice.

[sillybizz]

Well are you looking for a sidearm or backhand disc? For sidearms I love my Elite Z Flick, very overstable, and it is great for sidearm or backhand headwinds or hyzer flex shots, I can't recommend the ESP ones they seem to fly different for some reason. The Surge is very similar to a Wraith if you are looking for that. XL is one of my favorites, I have an Elite Z, it seems a little more understable that the 1.5 it's getting. If I was to move around the five discs you plan to buy I would do this instead:

Instead of the Pro-D Cyclone I would get a FLX ESP Avenger SS or an Elite-Z Avenger SS.
Instead of the Elite-Z Avenger I would get a FLX ESP or Elite-Z Surge or Surge SS.
You can't go wrong with a Buzzz but I would get an Elite-Z or a FLX ESP for a longer beat in period, personal preference here though.
You can't go wrong with a Hawk really either but I would pick up a Comet in Elite-Z.
The Magnet is a wonderful disc, if you want another putter for windy days and is a little more overstable go with a Challenger, I love mine in FLX ESP.

The other discs I mentioned could fit in here very easily as well, hope this helps!

[Adam Schneider]

The Cyclone and XL might be somewhat similar to each other, flight-wise, but you'll find that they FEEL very different. If you want a more understable driver, maybe try an Avenger SS.

Also, why a Buzzz and a Hawk? What do you think the Hawk will do that the Buzzz won't? Consider a Comet if you want a straight-to-understable mid-range, or a Stratus if you want one that will REALLY turn over.

[eric25]

At Scott:
I'm not really completely switching to Discraft, I just want to see how the brand is. I hear that their descriptions on the website are extremely accurate to their description, and I want to get more discs in general, and I want to see what I like better myself. I'll still use my Innova discs. Too much money to be throwing away, haha.

At sillybizz:
Thanks for the input I'm mainly looking for something to use with sidearm, but I want something I can learn with also. Unfortunately, I can't change any of the Pro-D discs because they all come in a bundle for $20. Thanks for the info about ESP plastic, and I'll definitely look into the Avenger SS. I already have a beat up Star Wraith that I still plan to throw so I think I'll pass on the Surge. I'll look into the more durable plastic on the Buzzz too, I use my discs for way to long, haha. I'll look into the Flick.

At Adam Schneider:
All the Pro-D discs come bundled. I found that I could get 5 select discs, or 6 discs and choose three of my own for a dollar more, so the Hawk costs a dollar, haha.

Thanks for all the info.

[sillybizz]

At Scott:
I'm not really completely switching to Discraft, I just want to see how the brand is. I hear that their descriptions on the website are extremely accurate to their description, and I want to get more discs in general, and I want to see what I like better myself. I'll still use my Innova discs. Too much money to be throwing away, haha.

At sillybizz:
Thanks for the input I'm mainly looking for something to use with sidearm, but I want something I can learn with also. Unfortunately, I can't change any of the Pro-D discs because they all come in a bundle for $20. Thanks for the info about ESP plastic, and I'll definitely look into the Avenger SS. I already have a beat up Star Wraith that I still plan to throw so I think I'll pass on the Surge. I'll look into the more durable plastic on the Buzzz too, I use my discs for way to long, haha. I'll look into the Flick.

At Adam Schneider:
All the Pro-D discs come bundled. I found that I could get 5 select discs, or 6 discs and choose three of my own for a dollar more.

Thanks for all the info.

You are welcome, have fun throwing and learning your new discs, and if you don't like them for some reason, you can send them to me. :D

[Adam Schneider]

All the Pro-D discs come bundled. I found that I could get 5 select discs, or 6 discs and choose three of my own for a dollar more, so the Hawk costs a dollar, haha.
I don't entirely understand the "bundle" deal, but can you get a Stratus instead? Those come in Pro-D, and they're dead useful.

[eric25]

I don't entirely understand the "bundle" deal, but can you get a Stratus instead? Those come in Pro-D, and they're dead useful.
http://www.discgolfstore.com/product.php?productid=6491&cat=0&page=1

If I could get a Stratus I would. It sounds like an awesome disc.

[Parks]

An ESP or Z Predator is the best overstable disc on the market. Fights everything but hurricane headwinds, and always has this beautiful straight flight with a solid fade. They thumb accurately, too.

The Drone is a nice overstable mid, similar to a Gator.

Their new Wizard knock-off Ace Race disc sounds cool, too, but I've never thrown one.

The Stalker sounds like a good fairway driver, but I've never thrown one either.

Cyclones are amazingly versatile discs, but Pro D plastic generally beats in too fast. I've heard good things about ESP Cyclones (avoid Z Cyclones, they're too overstable to have that workable Cyclone flight).

Flicks are solid thumber discs if you don't like the grip of the Predator.

Avenger is much like a faster Teebird, which is a good thing.

[Adam Schneider]

http://www.discgolfstore.com/product.php?productid=6491&cat=0&page=1
If you buy from http://www.discgolfcenter.com/, Pro-D discs -- any model you want -- are only $7.49 each, and you get to pick your exact weight and color, and you don't pay shipping.

[Kris Hagner]

I'm new to the Discraft as well. I recently bought a Z Glide, an understable mid range disc. I don't throw very far either, the glide seems to get just as far as my drivers, but is easier to throw and more predictable. Like a stingray that doesn't come back left. A friend of mine throws a Discraft meteor, another under stable mid range, and that disc will hold a sweet anhyzer shot! I'm getting a new ESP Discraft Meteor soon!

[Parks]

Pick your discs 5-pack of Pro D/DX for under $6 a pop.

http://gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/build-your-disc-golf-pack-dxpro-p-354.html

[Iowa]

ESP CRUSH! That is all I have to say.

[Tim]

An ESP or Z Predator is the best overstable disc on the market. Fights everything but hurricane headwinds, and always has this beautiful straight flight with a solid fade. They thumb accurately, too.

The Drone is a nice overstable mid, similar to a Gator.

Their new Wizard knock-off Ace Race disc sounds cool, too, but I've never thrown one.

The Stalker sounds like a good fairway driver, but I've never thrown one either.

Cyclones are amazingly versatile discs, but Pro D plastic generally beats in too fast. I've heard good things about ESP Cyclones (avoid Z Cyclones, they're too overstable to have that workable Cyclone flight).

Flicks are solid thumber discs if you don't like the grip of the Predator.

Avenger is much like a faster Teebird, which is a good thing.

+1.

I've heard that Discraft's Pro-D plastic has improved, but I haven't tried it. My experience with the couple discs I had was that it did indeed break in WAY too fast. I had a Wasp that broke in to a sweet spot ridiculously quick, but I stopped throwing it because I figured it'd break itself out of it's sweet spot too.

And yeah, the ESP Cyclone is a sweet, sweet disc. Old school technology with new school plastic FTW!

Oh yeah, saw a Stalker for the first time in person yesterday, it looked like an XL with a bead. Felt kinda weird in the hand to me. I think it's supposed to have similar flight to a Teebird, but for the feel, I'd rather stick with a Teebird.

[papatart]

And I could use a little help. So far these are the discs I'm going to buy.

Pro-D Cyclone 160-169
Elite-Z Avenger 170-172
Elite-X Buzzz 173-176
Pro-D Hawk 160-169
Pro-D Magnet 160-169



Sounds like a pretty good start given the parameters of your bundle. Nothing wrong with an X-Buzzz as it will still give you a long run. As for the Pro-D end of things, they now offer the Avenger SS and the Force in D plastic. The SS will help you learn that backhand game and the Force is a natural for the Forehand. The Z-Avenger will work well for both shots (as many others will) so nothing wrong there. A Surge will be almost the same stability but with a longer glide at the end of the flight. For a max distance for folks that don't throw far is often the Flash, as long as it has room to work its flight path.

No matter what, enjoy the new discs and have fun!

Later,
Scott Papa

[eric25]

Thanks again for all of the responses. I'll look at everything suggested.

[Iowa]

I'm going to say ESP Crush twice...because it's just that good.

[eric25]

Update!

I've made my decisions.

Elite Z Avenger 168, for a universal driver
ESP Crush 169, for something to use in the wind
Elite Z Force 170, for max distace
Elite X Buzzz 173, for a general mid-range
Pro-D Magnet 175, for putting

Thanks for all the help everybody. If anybody has any comments on the discs, or any other suggestions, feel free to post.

[Iowa]

Good choice with the Crush.

[JMan]

I loved the Crush, but they HAD to be in X plastic, then they discontinued the X. I switched to the Z Force; every bit a Crush and lots more. I throw all Discraft and your selections look good. I never cared for the Avenger, but if it works, it works. A buddy loves the X Buzzz, I prefer them in Pro D and CryZtal (a great 2 disc combo). I prefer my Magnets soft, but with tourney stamps as they tend to be between stock soft and regular Mags. One of the reasons quite a few folks are trying Discraft is that they are tired of innovaland's business model of planned inconsistency. Over time you will notice, and come to love, that Discraft run variations within a mold are significantly less than others. That out-of-the-box consistency is what has kept me coming back to the BIG D for decades. Have fun with this experiment.

[zippyboy]

I may have mentioned this somewhere else, but, the Stalker is an AWESOME disc! A good fit between a Buzzz and and Avenger SS (both of which are money discs in their own right).

I keep a Drone in the bag, too, along with a Buzzz SS. If I didn't own the Buzzz SS, I'd still have either my Meteor or Comet in my bag - the Meteor being the more understable of the two.

No matter your choices, enjoy throwing them. Once I opened up to a manufacturer other than just Innova, I started really finding discs the suit my style of throwing. Now I have a mix of Discraft, Lightning, Gateway, and Innova in my bag, and each disc in my bag I can throw fairly well.

Happy hucking!

[TYVEK]

Update!

I've made my decisions.

Elite Z Avenger 168, for a universal driver
ESP Crush 169, for something to use in the wind
Elite Z Force 170, for max distace
Elite X Buzzz 173, for a general mid-range
Pro-D Magnet 175, for putting

Thanks for all the help everybody. If anybody has any comments on the discs, or any other suggestions, feel free to post.

Howdy,

so i would say consider a ESP Pulse instead of the crush. the reason is because the crush and the force will be very overstable discs until they get beat in a bit. the pulse is less overstable than the crush and i think you will get better throws and distance out of it. if you are just trying out discraft discs there is no reason to have 2 out of your 3 drivers be extremly overstable discs. the other discs you have sounds great to start with. you cant go wrong with the XL if you start liking discraft. good luck and Great rounds for you!

[Adam Schneider]

the pulse is less overstable than the crush and i think you will get better throws and distance out of it.
Not according to Discraft, or any of the flight charts out there. The Pulse is very overstable and would overlap severely with the Force. (Tyvek, were you thinking of the Flash?)

In fact, Eric, I think you ought to drop the Crush and get an understable driver, which will come in very handy; nothing on your current list is going to turn over easily. Check out the Avenger SS.

[sillybizz]

Not according to Discraft, or any of the flight charts out there. The Pulse is very overstable and would overlap severely with the Force. (Tyvek, were you thinking of the Flash?)

In fact, Eric, I think you ought to drop the Crush and get an understable driver, which will come in very handy; nothing on your current list is going to turn over easily. Check out the Avenger SS.

Agreed.

[erp]

As a fellow ambidextrous player I was puzzled by your choice of Left Hand Fore Hand and Right Hand Back Hand as the throws you are setting off with - I throw back hands both sides, which gives me the option to hyzer the same disc with the same throw and get a mirror-image flight path.

What you're describing is going to give you throws with both arms, but less versatility than merely throwing fore and backhand with a single arm...

Just a though - I know how it can be learning forehands on the off arm - which is why I don't throw lefty forehands...

Best Luck!


Update!

I've made my decisions.

Elite Z Avenger 168, for a universal driver
ESP Crush 169, for something to use in the wind
Elite Z Force 170, for max distace
Elite X Buzzz 173, for a general mid-range
Pro-D Magnet 175, for putting

Thanks for all the help everybody. If anybody has any comments on the discs, or any other suggestions, feel free to post.

[eric25]

Not according to Discraft, or any of the flight charts out there. The Pulse is very overstable and would overlap severely with the Force. (Tyvek, were you thinking of the Flash?)

In fact, Eric, I think you ought to drop the Crush and get an understable driver, which will come in very handy; nothing on your current list is going to turn over easily. Check out the Avenger SS.
Good point. How much different would the Avenger and the Avenger SS be? From my understanding, the Avenger SS is the same as the Avenger, but it flies straighter. Is this correct?

Another question, how much can the plastic used change the disc? Would an Avenger SS in Elite-Z be any different from the same disc in ESP or ESP FLX?

[Adam Schneider]

Good point. How much different would the Avenger and the Avenger SS be? From my understanding, the Avenger SS is the same as the Avenger, but it flies straighter. Is this correct?
Well, "straighter" is just marketing copy. It's more understable than the original Avenger: when it's thrown hard, it will turn over much more easily. On a flat throw, that means it'll go right; when thrown softly or with hyzer, it may very well go "straight."

The important thing to note is that the Avenger SS is a very different disc than the Avenger. This isn't always the case; the Surge SS is only one notch less stable than the Surge -- but with the Avenger, it's a much bigger modification for whatever reason. And people say good things about the Avenger SS; supposedly it has tons of "glide," whatever that means.

Another question, how much can the plastic used change the disc? Would an Avenger SS in Elite-Z be any different from the same disc in ESP or ESP FLX?
Probably not too much difference when you're comparing the premium plastics, although the people on discgolfreview.com seem to think the FLX Avenger SS is a bit more stable. (But X plastic will usually be a little more understable. Discraft even acknowledges this with some molds; the Xpress, XL, and Avenger, for example, actually have different Discraft flight ratings in the various plastics.)

[eric25]

Snip.
Thanks man, I appreciate the help. I should have the discs ordered by tomorrow and I appreciate everybody's input.