Is it discourteous to tell someone their score if they do not ask for it?

[TreeLove]

Is it discourteous to tell someone their score/position if they do not ask for it?

[D-Walk]

Is it discourteous to tell someone their score if they do not ask for it?

I would say it is. When I am playing in a tournament, most of the time I don't want to know what my score is. If I want to know what I am shooting then I would just ask for the scorecard, but definitely would not want someone to just tell me what I'm shooting. Not cool. :nono:

[zippyboy]

Agreed. Especially today. My second round was awful. I didn't need extra reminders. Having to say 4 or 5 repeatedly was bad enough.... :headbang:

[Trozzle!!!]

I would say its not very courteous if the person doesnt ask first, "Who wants to know their score?" I personally dont care to hear my exact score. I have a pretty good idea how Im shooting most of the time.

[TreeLove]

Dudes, you're telling me! After shooting 2 bogeys and 27 pars on the day, and starting round 2 with 11 straight pars, I was misinformed of my position without my asking to know it, and I proceeded to finish the day with 7 straight bogeys! :shooting: :shooting:

Granted, I obviously need to work on my own mental issues, but I would just like to know if I would have been justified in issuing a courtesy warning.

[Trozzle!!!]

I dont know if any PDGA rules apply to this situation, so a "courtesy violation" may not really apply. But, a "hey be courteous and dont tell me my score" warning should have been sufficient.

[douglaselvis]

I agree with the rest. If I don't want to hear it don't tell me.

I'll even go as far as saying "I don't want to hear YOUR score"! Whether your playing lights out or sucking wind. Thats why its yours. Please keep it that way. "Dude, I'm -27!!!" or "F*ck, I'm +27!!!" I could care until the scores are up.

[E Smith]

If I have the cards I will sometimes give an accounting of scores at the end of a 9 (front or back) but I try to remember to ask first. I don't care if I know my score or if other people know my score, I will try my best on the next hole anyway. Treelove just about popped a cork once when I told him his score but I really think he was pissed because I was crushing him.:nahnah:

No it is not a courtesy violation unless it is clear (after asking not to be told) that the person with the cards is doing it intentionally just to cause trouble. Of course that would probably fall under some other courtesy rule for verbal abuse or something. It may be a courtesy violation to whine about doing poorly after being told your score or blaming someone for you hitting a tree because they said "nice".:waaah:

I have very little patience for people who get upset at or blame other players because of their own mental hang ups or superstitions.:yawn:

Let it go, just let it goooo......:cool2:

E:cheers:

[NWDiscer]

:nono::nono:

i know where i am at or at least close enough that i do not need to be told.

If i am in the final couple of holes and i know its tight i might ask to see the cards, but even when i am keeping score i do not pay att. to how i am doing.....:kissflowers::cheerleader:


:cheers:

[Sausage Fingers]

It is only discourteous to tell someone their score/position if you do so AFTER they specifically ask you NOT to do so. If you THEN go ahead and tell them, you might get a second on that violation. I'd second it in my group.

But as a TD, I got schooled today on the rules by a player, and I feel that my grasp of the rules is not concrete or complete. But it did come down to being my fault as the TD. I am just glad that we reached a consensus on a final ruling. But I sure learned something today.

See you all out at Trojan tomorrow...:pirate:

[Nathan]

anybody that cares exactlly what their score is, knows it in their head.

[papatart]

[QUOTE=TreeLove;... I was misinformed of my position without my asking to know it, and I proceeded to finish the day with 7 straight bogeys! :shooting: :shooting:

[/QUOTE]

Gawain, I am confused. Are you saying that you thought you were doing much worse than the person said, and then felt bad for being so far ahead of everyone else? In fact you felt so bad that you had to take seven straight bogeys just to make it close? I can't think of anything else that would make you decide to take seven straight bogeys to finish a round.

Damn, you are one REALLY nice guy....

Later,
Papa

[TreeLove]

I guess I will add to my pre-round routine asking the players in my group "please don't discuss any scores (totals) during the round". Or, I will just learn to toughen up so that something so minor does not affect me. (FYI: I was misinformed that I had taken the lead, which I had not.)

[tomw]

NO to the Q regarding a courtesy violation warning' IF U' did'nt state" I don't want to hear my score" during the round of play. Kind of wierd how something basic like that can affect you play, like Nice-ing someones thrown disc.

[E Smith]

I guess I will add to my pre-round routine asking the players in my group "please don't discuss any scores (totals) during the round". Or, I will just learn to toughen up so that something so minor does not affect me. (FYI: I was misinformed that I had taken the lead, which I had not.)

You mean of course "please don't discuss MY scores (totals) during the round" don't you Gawain? It would pretty unreasonable to ask other players not to discuss their own scores amongst themselves. :cop:

It is true that sometimes the head game will affect a round. I think that if you show a mental vulnerability at the beginning of a round that you not only give the rest of the group ammunition but you also separate yourself from the group as people will likely not talk to you at all out of fear of hurting your feelings. :waaah:

Gawain, for future reference we have 2 holes to go and I have you by 3 strokes! :yay:

Wait! Never mind, you're still bagging. :pullhair:

E :cheers:

[gwillim]

people will likely not talk to you at all

Is that all it takes?? I've been trying to come up with a clever way of getting ppl to stop talking to me during the round FOR YEARS!

Fantastic!

[LJ Jubner]

New Term Rub of the Green
Means whatever happened you need to cope with the results

Scott , As a Magazine contributing columnist this would make several GREAT articles. The mental side of the game is severely overlooked and the number 1 issue is POOR SELF IMAGIE. Self image being the way you evaluate yourself. I like to think that instead of... "I sucked"... I try to think that ..."I was not prepared".... I try an manage only my bag because it is the only thing I have complete control of. I really don't care what others throw Just how often they throw. And Yes I have a real good idea of what my score is all of the time so It makes little difference to me personally whether I hear my score or not.

Jordy, You got schooled? On the Rules? Really? Was it done professionally or just someone who blew up at you? If it was not professionally (in a calm manner not intended to belittle or embarrass) then that player should have received a warning for abusing the TD. In my opinion This is much more grievous than just about any other thing out there. Yes, even worse then telling me my score for which I am acutely aware of

[JMan]

I know my score, that plays enough with my head + or -. I don't need it discussed among the group. If in a tourney it is asked for it is recited, not discussed. A few folks I no longer play with use it to intentionally get in others heads, "hey you're 2 down aren't you?" How 'bout a big cup of SHUT THE F**K UP? Then put dog poop in their bag.

[Garrett]

Wow, this I would not have known at all. We usually play for fun, but every few holes we like to compare to see who's ahead.

In all other sports, the score is always known to everyone in real time, not at the end of the game, but throughout the entire game so that all players involved know what the score is at all times.

If they were spouting out your score in order to make you look or feel bad, then that's just morally wrong. But if the person was just trying to be helpful by letting each player in the group know their score, I don't see how something like that could be wrong.

But I could be wrong... I'm still just a noob to DG and learn something new every so often when I'm out there. :-)

[smobro]

I agree with the last post that most sports the score is always there. This is, however, not most sports. It is this one. Anyone who has played in more than a couple PDGA events or even a weekly doubles tournament knows that there are very strong superstitions involved. This is a game which can berate a player mentally through very obscure ways. We all have them. Whether it is having your score mentioned, having another player comment on your game, too much wind, forgot your best disc, never played the course, didn't practice enough, getting carded up with a talky-talkerson, the pissed off player (self effacing comment there), the whiner, the happy-happerson, the cocky player, the player that takes forever, the "I always birdie this hole" guy, the talky-talkerson (did I mention that twice?), the polluter (leaves his crap all over the course), and the ist goes on................

The point is we are all emotionally frail to something that happens out there on most days. Every now and then, we get a day or two where we don't want to tie our bag to the back of the car and drive so fast we set the the whole thing on fire . The days, or rounds, or holes where we were magnificient are the reason we continue to torture ourselves.

I would like to give a huge shoutout to Matt Roller this weekend as to me, he is the very gentleman that this sport needs more of. He has practiced very hard and was mentally ready. If you have not played disc with him, I recommend it. Way to go Matt!

"Hey Matt, you shot a 1000+ rated round. Sorry dude I didn't mean to tell your round rating out loud." I hope it doesn't mess with your head. I know it won't.

[Maidenrules]

I agree with the last post that most sports the score is always there. This is, however, not most sports. It is this one. Anyone who has played in more than a couple PDGA events or even a weekly doubles tournament knows that there are very strong superstitions involved. This is a game which can berate a player mentally through very obscure ways. We all have them. Whether it is having your score mentioned, having another player comment on your game, too much wind, forgot your best disc, never played the course, didn't practice enough, getting carded up with a talky-talkerson, the pissed off player (self effacing comment there), the whiner, the happy-happerson, the cocky player, the player that takes forever, the "I always birdie this hole" guy, the talky-talkerson (did I mention that twice?), the polluter (leaves his crap all over the course), and the ist goes on................

The point is we are all emotionally frail to something that happens out there on most days. Every now and then, we get a day or two where we don't want to tie our bag to the back of the car and drive so fast we set the the whole thing on fire . The days, or rounds, or holes where we were magnificient are the reason we continue to torture ourselves.

I would like to give a huge shoutout to Matt Roller this weekend as to me, he is the very gentleman that this sport needs more of. He has practiced very hard and was mentally ready. If you have not played disc with him, I recommend it. Way to go Matt!

"Hey Matt, you shot a 1000+ rated round. Sorry dude I didn't mean to tell your round rating out loud." I hope it doesn't mess with your head. I know it won't.

Wow! Thanks for the love. I look forward to more rounds with you in the future. It felt good to keep giving the positive vibes to everyone even if the cards didn't fall my way. I just wish I could have seen Scott Hill's putt on Pier #11. I had to duck behind a tree to get out of his sight. He was so pumped!

[Scott]

I would like to give a huge shoutout to Matt Roller this weekend as to me, he is the very gentleman that this sport needs more of. He has practiced very hard and was mentally ready. If you have not played disc with him, I recommend it. Way to go Matt!



The wheels came off my game in the second round this weekend quite quickly - I was +4 after 4 holes. I fully credit Matt's easy demeanor and relaxed attitude for helping my right the ship.

:cheers:

[overstable, underthrown]

It's those same people who tell you your score during the round who blurt out the results of last night's game or what happened last night on (insert favorite tv show) without checking to see if someone DVR'd it. :mad: But how mad can you really get at them for it? Most people have done it before on accident and feel dumb for doing it. :blush: Only if you are doing this deliberately to mess with someone could this be considered a courtesy violation. Great poll...I am going to be much more mindful of talking about scores til after the round! :cheers:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Gaawwwwwwwwdddd I can't wait till some bonehead shouts out that I"M in the lead. :rockon:

Bob

[Wes Hansen]

Interesting...
Unlike years past, I'm now making an effort to NOT know OTHER people's scores during the first 3/4s of a tourney. Even better is when I manage to forget my own score.
HOWEVER, each player is required to know their own score is correct. How can someone be upset by being told what they should already know?
I understand the superstition aspect though. I would have played much better at RCO had I been able to find the correct combination of proper mini, tournament underwear and socks, correct DG hat and had a sausage egg mcmuffin instead of a sausage mcmuffin Sunday morning. I even drove a hole with my mini in my right front pocket once (everyone knows that's asking for a bad drive).
But would I think it discourteous if someone told me my score? That's silly.

[Brian]

I like to be told the score every few holes. I had no idea it would be taboo. I think it is correct that DGers are a supersticious bunch though. Most serious DGers seem obsessive compulsive when it comes to their throws. You can see how serious someone is in DG by what part of their throw they have begun to ritualize. I find that it starts out with putts first. They go through their 15 practice throws in their mind, they pump their arms out 10 or so times. They squat down to the ground as though they were playing leap frog and if they hear a sound from 5 blocks away they start it all over as though somehow that will make them miss. Then it moves to the dozens of arm pumps and multiple fake-out run-ups on their drive. Then if it is a REALLY serious player you get the mid-range fakies too. Where you think they are about to throw but it is just cruel joke intended to get your hopes up. Some players I am not sure if they are having an epileptic fit or just doing their time intensive (was going to say time-wasting but don't want to offend anyone ..) shot set-up.

With me, I don't care if everyone around me is having a conversation and firecrackers are going off. I step up to the tee-pad and shoot the disc. When I put I walk up and do a Kem Climo. I just pick it up, size up the basket for about 1 second and throw.

And Wes Hansen speaks the truth above also.

[zippyboy]

Regarding "knowing" ones own score, I have a record of my own personal current score on me during a tourney round. I keep it in a program in my phone. However, the program only asks for my scores on hole at a time, and does NOT show me what my overall score is for the round until the end (or unless I otherwise check the score on my own).

For whatever reason, the best rounds I have ever thrown are without knowing what my score was, despite still keeping track of it.

[JMan]

[QUOTE=Brian;25267]
With me, I don't care if everyone around me is having a conversation and firecrackers are going off.QUOTE]

I'm calling bull, and I know what to bring the next time we huk. :explode:

[Tim]

It's not about superstition, it's about psychology. One of the first tips I got about competitive golf was from a ball golfer friend (and apparently a pretty good one), was to think about each hole on it's own, not the previous or future ones. I think a lot of golfers employ this technique, or at least something similar, and having the scores reported to them involuntarily can throw that off. Somebody reporting all the scores may have only innocent intentions, BUT, it can also be a passive-aggressive way to f*** with somebody's head. While spoken words may be "Ralph is at 53, Edgar is at 54, Martin is at 54...etc." the subtext can be "Don't f*** up Ralph, or you'll lose the lead!" On the flip side, if you're shooting poorly, you probably want as few reminders as possible. Sure, a strong player can probably shake off any such head games, but it doesn't change the fact that it can be kind of a dick move in the first place.

I will say though, I've played with people who have done this, and when I asked that they don't tell me my score, they complied, and all was good.

[Brian]

Tiger Woods said his dad intentionally made noise when he was golfing so he wouldn't learn to need total silence when he was playing. If you just focus on your shot and not your environment, then when that ace comes on the next hole over and you're about to release your discs when everyone starts screaming, you won't be distracted because you will be focusing on your shot.

I also intentionally made noise when my kids were sleeping as babies and on up. Because there are some kids where you can't even walk around the house without them waking up. That is because the parents made them silent-only sleepers. If you train your kids and yourself not not get bothered by things it is way easier in the long run.

[JMan]

OK, get ready for the fireworks...LOL

[Brian]

OK, get ready for the fireworks...LOL


just don't throw it at me and I think we should be good LOL

The reason I am confident of this is because I used to play with a lot of rec golfers and they all run around and push you when you are setting up your shot and throw things in front of you as you go, and then laugh about it. You know, the kind that are there for fun and not to get a good score (and have fun). Here goes my disclaimer ... yes even competitive DG is about having fun, but we also like to play seriously and not try to pants someone as they are putting and things like that. *end disclaimer*

So after learning to play in those circumstances, I can handle most any distraction as long as it doesn't go in front of me or hit me.

[NWDiscer]

Tiger Woods said his dad intentionally made noise when he was golfing so he wouldn't learn to need total silence when he was playing. .



yes but i have seen some really big blowups from him over a camera click.....:shocked: :evilgrin: :nono: :pullhair:



I also intentionally made noise when my kids were sleeping as babies and on up. Because there are some kids where you can't even walk around the house without them waking up. That is because the parents made them silent-only sleepers. If you train your kids and yourself not not get bothered by things it is way easier in the long run.


oh yes this is true

i am so glad my son can sleep thru loud tv or even music at times.:trophy::dancing:

[SMOKIN JOE]

If you don't like your score announced out loud then you should let the group know before teeing off, it all seems a bit strange to me, I wish we had big reader boards, so people could see other scores not in thier group, oh that's the pga excuse me, I recalculate everyones score in my group in my head every hole, locals that play with me don't even look at the card they just ask what's my score , I'm also lucky that i've always taken my kids with me golfing so background noise or other things don't bother me, I'm always doing something to the locals who play other tournaments to get them in that don't let nothung bother you routine, yelling during swings, bouncing behind the basket while putting, people that takes more than 30 seconds to make a shot because a car is going by on the street, or a plane flies overhead, or a dogs barking, hurry up and shoot, your not at a private course where there is nothing but golf going on, your in a park, shoot already:shooting::shooting:
so no there is nothing wrong with sometelling you your score unless you have told them not too, :cool2:

[Swampthing]

Everyone is different when it comes to how they are wired. I would lose my composure if I was in the lead and someone let me know. Just because some guys can putt/drive when faced with distractions doesn't mean everyone can/should. I think its the heart of the matter that's important, if someone tells you your score to mess you up then thats wack. If its an accident, I could let it slide once but would let him/her know its uncool. It's about honoring people's differences. It's not wrong if someone doesn't want their score known.

Also I won't play with people who screw around even if its for fun in the park. Every putt/throw means something when I play. If the person I am playing with can't understand that, they can go home and play disc golf on their Wii. I know this sounds "Hard Core" but golf can be an emotional game, I just think the best golfer should win, not the guy with the best mind game/bully tactics.

[LJ Jubner]

Distraction Try a ball golf driving range and have some one shank the ball into the wood wall that divides each slot and then have it be the one right behind you.