Lakewood Open

[GettinBetter]

Does anyone know what disc is in the player pack?

[Mystjava]

We'll find out on Saturday.. I have no clue.. ;-)

[Tim]

If you look closely at the Lakewood web site (http://www.lakewooddiscgolf.com/LKWD/Home.html), you might be able to figure it out. ;)

[GettinBetter]

Say it aint so??? Thats awesome!!! Ive been wanting to throw them for awhile.

[Cold Steel]

The innova discs he got are pretty sweet too- glow destroyers and TLs, Star Leos, some bosses, darts, dx driver aviars, and supposedly some pro rocs, although he didn't bring them, so I didn't see them, therefore, they don't exist.

[GettinBetter]

Is there still doubles thursday at 530?

[Mystjava]

Is there still doubles thursday at 530?

On one of the earlier post, it said that it was on. So - go have fun! ;)

[ChUcK]

Well, after 15 minutes of solid metal detecting, we found an ol' E can, part of a rusty metal bucket, a cement spike thing, and finally, the 3rd and final pin placement of hole 17.

[GettinBetter]

Good work! It seemed like it was pretty difficult to find.

[GettinBetter]

Ming won doubles all by his lonesome at -14. I think he walked away with $70. The next was -13, then -9.

[Mystjava]

Wow! At least Doubles was played last night..

Also - Congratulations on finding the 3rd and finial placement basket holder for #17!

[GettinBetter]

Looks like it's gonna be a little wet this weekend. Bring maybe a rain jacket, extra towels, and an umbrella. (Just incase)

[Mystjava]

I would agree.. it's been raining off and on over here on the island.. Sigh.. So -- boots for the muddy paths -- Umbrella (check!) Chair/Stool (check!) Extra Towel -- oh no!

[Cold Steel]

Circles painted by the good folks (Tim, Chuck, Eric, Aaron), everything is short and ready to go. What times this thing start?

[Mystjava]

915 am!!! I think!

[cefire]

Just a sprinkle in the morning for about 10 minutes and the rest of the day was perfect. Nate is in the lead shooting -10/-9. Tuffi leads the open women by a bunch.

[cefire]

Mike Werth shot a HUGE -12 final round gaining 7 strokes on Nate to propel him to the win. On the middle stretch of holes 6-11 he was -7 over 6 holes with an ace on 9 and a center chain ace run on 10 :shocked:

Tuffi continued her strong play and cruised through the final 18 holes for the win.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Mike Werth shot a HUGE -12 final round gaining 7 strokes on Nate to propel him to the win. On the middle stretch of holes 6-11 he was -7 over 6 holes with an ace on 9 and a center chain ace run on 10 :shocked:

Tuffi continued her strong play and cruised through the final 18 holes for the win.

How did Pinkals finish? Jason was in second yesterday mens Open, and Carie 3rd open women.

Congrats to all!

Bob

[ChUcK]

4th and 4th. (I think Carrie placed 4th?)

Tim and Edge changed the final 9 format a little, so 13 was the final hole this time...it was nice to have a nail biter as the last hole, where even trying to play it safe can lead to big trouble, and the guys in the chase can risk their way to a deuce (like both Nate and Big Mike did).

Nate, watching your drive on 18 skip off the island made a small piece of my soul die... I wanted to see you tie it up with the Big Dog for some sudden-death action. You'll just have to come back next year for another epic battle between you, Mike and Mike. (and possibly that Seth Drebick guy from Bremerton)

[Pizzel]

How did Pinkals finish? Jason was in second yesterday mens Open, and Carie 3rd open women.

Congrats to all!

Bob
Carie and I both struggled today. I am not sure why.....maybe fatigue.....maybe nerves....maybe both......but we both had a great time. The weather held out and the tourney ran smoothly. Thank you Eric and crew!!!

Congrats to Mike Werth on the win. He was a one man highlight reel today!! His run from holes 7-11 was amazing (-6 for five holes). He also laced a side arm rollers on hole 16 to get a bird.

It was great to meet a few new faces: Big Mike, Gibson, Kevin, Gordy and Heath. Hope to meet up with you all on the course in the near future.

[Mystjava]

The results are up..

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9159&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Open

Thanks to Eric and his crew for making this a wonderful weekend..

[gwillim]

How long has it been since a Washington resident won the Pro division in a Washington tournament?

I wonder if this spells the end for Oregon's total domination on Washington turf?....









(probably not :shocked:)

[Sam]

SMOBRO!!! 2nd in the Crusties?! SWEET! :cheers:

I knew you had it in you. :laughing:

[Ken Smith]

Thank you Eric, Tim et al for your hard work. The course was about the best I've ever seen it, and the flow (for the most part) went very well.

I was very glad to finally play with Mr. Treelove (and I did see some tree love in action, so his name is apropos), SmoBro, The Colonel (aka Todd Saunders), and local boy Brian Hayes (I've played with causually, but not in a tourney). Sandy, Todd, Robert (the Modesto Enforcer) enjoyed the rounds. I have to say, playing with all the Adv. Masters ... who are all really great guys to play with, makes these so much more fun to play.

Also, wanted to thank my wife and daughters for letting me do this tourney on father's day (they don't really get the disc throwing thing, but I appreciate that they know I like it).

And a final thanks to The Coach, Nate Sexton (I promised him I'd give him kudos, which will be on another thread). Ok boys, go replenish your Ibuprofen bottles.

[smobro]

SMOBRO!!! 2nd in the Crusties?! SWEET! :cheers:

I knew you had it in you. :laughing:

Thanks brotha. It was fun to play a new course for me and fun to hang with Ken Smith, Gawain, Jeff, and all the adv. crusties. Gawain was on fire most of the rounds. He has mad skills. Very fun to watch. I got some lucky putts here and there to keep me hanging around. Jeff is so smooth to watch. and Ken Smith is the mac daddy putter. Silky. Coleman and Pinkal were kind enough to put up with me all weekend. The washington crew rocked! cant wait till next year.

[Carie CPink]

How did Pinkals finish? Jason was in second yesterday mens Open, and Carie 3rd open women.


Bob

To say that I shanked the last round would be an understatement :cheers:

It was great to play with some new golfers. Tuffi rocks harder...that lady can toss an R-Pro Boss like nobody's bizness! Thanks for a great weekend of golf, Open Ladies. Hope to play up in Washington in the future.

[ChUcK]

How long has it been since a Washington resident won the Pro division in a Washington tournament?

Way to represent Oregon, Ryan. Will you make some remark of equally poor sportsmanship if Sam wins your Bad Monkey Open?





(probably :shocked:)

[Scott]

Way to represent Oregon, Ryan. Will you make some remark of equally poor sportsmanship if Sam wins your Bad Monkey Open?





(probably :shocked:)

I really read this in the spirit of rivalry. Didn't you?

:cheers:

[Sam]

Poor sportsmanship? Dude... you don't even know me and you think I am a poor sport? Is it because I criticize the absolutely shitty things I read about the tournaments you guys have up there?

Baby need a bottle, Chuck?

[gwillim]

Way to represent Oregon, Ryan. Will you make some remark of equally poor sportsmanship if Sam wins your Bad Monkey Open?



I'm sorry Chuck. The comment was not in any way meant to be a serious jab, just some friendly rivalry speak at my neighbors. Please retract my statement, the last thing I want is for people to think I show poor sportsmanship. Damn forum communication falter!
-Ryan

[Sam]

Chuck and I exchanged PMs and all is good. I misunderstood his comment as being directed at me and me being a poor sport when I think that the exact opposite is true. He clarified it for me and I now better understand his comment. Sorry about that, Chuck. :cheers:

And I second Gwillim's comment about forum communication!

[Tim Price]

Back to the Lakewood Open......

It was a blast! I even played well enough to be on the leader card. I think it was my first time being under par at a tourney. That was until i decided to not pay attention to where I was standing and ended up dislocating two joints in my foot and twisting my ankle. Needless to say my last rounds really went down the drain. I am just glad I was able to finish and meet some good people. I would recommend coming up to play this next year as the course was great. We had a nice Oregon showing up there and it is always fun hanging with the Pinkals, Smothers, the Elliots, Gawain and Nate.

[TYVEK]

I also agree that this was a GREAT tournament!!! Eric and Tim did a fantastic job organizing everything and the people that volunteered their time also were awesome! It was cool to see so many Oregon people here! In fact one of the top highlights for me was watching Jason Pinkal put his drive a few feet away from the basket on Hole #5. the crowd loved that!

Thanks to everybody that helped with the tournament!!!:yay:

[GettinBetter]

The tournament was awesome! Some of the best tee signs Ive seen, there was always different pin placements, TONS of CPTs, and just a great overall "feel" to the tournament.

Awesome job!

Oh, and referencing tyvek's post. I had a 13 yr old in my group and he put his drive on #5 (long) a couple feet from the hole and putted easily for birdie. It was crazy.

[ChUcK]

Oh, and referencing tyvek's post. I had a 13 yr old in my group and he put his drive on #5 (long) a couple feet from the hole and putted easily for birdie. It was crazy.

Is that Spencer you're talking about? 5 long? Are you sure? That hole is >400ft...

On the other hand, it looks like Washington has fired a return salvo that reads as:
Jason Pinkal was outdriven by a 13-year old :nahnah:

[GettinBetter]

no his name is kyle huber. Yeah he drove it about 10ft pass the 410 ft hole with a discraft surge.

[JR Stengele]

Tim and Eric did an amazing job and it was obvious to see how much work was put in to it. I will be sure to be back next year and it was great that the course had so many pin placements. The beach hole was great as well, especially once the wind picked up.

[Gerardo]

I write to you in recognition of Eric Edgerton. Since Saturday, I have been played a first PDGA tournament of Lakewood Open. I found Eric to be a great, generous person at the tour. Thank you, Eric and his group for hosting the great tour. My hands are waving to them. Clapping is part of hearing culture all over the world. Handwaving is part of Deaf culture all over the world. I take my hat off to players did great at Lakewood Open. At last, many thanks, Crystal aka Mystjava for interpreting ASL to me. Handwaving!

[Mystjava]

I write to you in recognition of Eric Edgerton. Since Saturday, I have been played a first PDGA tournament of Lakewood Open. I found Eric to be a great, generous person at the tour. Thank you, Eric and his group for hosting the great tour. My hands are waving to them. Clapping is part of hearing culture all over the world. Handwaving is part of Deaf culture all over the world. I take my hat off to players did great at Lakewood Open. At last, many thanks, Crystal aka Mystjava for interpreting ASL to me. Handwaving!

:yay::yay: you too! You did wonderful also and I'm very impressed with your score! :yay::seeya::seeya:

[Pizzel]

Jason Pinkal was outdriven by a 13-year old :nahnah:Yah, but I was only throwing Superclass discs......

P.S. Chuck: Your mama!

[Tim]

Those crazy Dalaiwood kids...they've got some game. Once they get their consistency down, Olalla, WA is going to be like the next Springfield, OR.

[Flash]

Is that Spencer you're talking about? 5 long? Are you sure? That hole is >400ft...

On the other hand, it looks like Washington has fired a return salvo that reads as:
Jason Pinkal was outdriven by a 13-year old :nahnah:

Anyone can throw past that basket that takes no skill at all, its the ones that throw with just enough power on it to get there and touch the pole that you need to worry about! Throwing past the basket is just a bunch of wasted energy!!!

[GettinBetter]

I disagree with you that anyone can throw 400 ft, and I dont think you can find a 13yr old that can either. This hole is not wide open either you have to put it through a pretty narrow spot about 300 feet out. And finally I dont think throwing 10ft past a basket is wasted energy.

[cefire]

I put together a bunch of video clips as a preview video for the Lakewood Open. I've also got final 9 video which I'll be putting up soon.

Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqCWnhTeGDc

[Flash]

I disagree with you that anyone can throw 400 ft

That is your right but I think you are thinking too narrowly

I dont think you can find a 13yr old that can either
Wrong, David Wiggins Jr check him out Innova Link (http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/david.html). Oh by the way he was achieving that distance at age 11

This hole is not wide open either you have to put it through a pretty narrow spot about 300 feet out.
Awesome sounds like a great hole, but someone hit the window right so it just comes down to someone with the proper amount of power and trajectory to hit that shot. How many times did this individual make this shot one time or multiple times. Why do I ask, well because I am a statistician and I would like to know if the kid got lucky on the trajectory because we know he obviously has the power to acheive the distance

And finally I dont think throwing 10ft past a basket is wasted energy.Well my guess is that you have never studied the concept of energy and the conservation of energy. Because if the disc went 10 feet pasted the basket it was 10 feet further then it needed to go. By the way before you said it was a couple of feet from the hole and now it is 10 feet past the basket, which one is it?

Oh and by the way I was having fun with my previous post something along the lines of sarcasm and I am assuming that you were not with your reply so that is why I went all specific with this reply!

[Kenny B]

Oh, and referencing tyvek's post. I had a 13 yr old in my group and he put his drive on #5 (long) a couple feet from the hole and putted easily for birdie. It was crazy.

I disagree with you that anyone can throw 400 ft, and I dont think you can find a 13yr old that can either. This hole is not wide open either you have to put it through a pretty narrow spot about 300 feet out. And finally I dont think throwing 10ft past a basket is wasted energy.

Well, I personally know this 13 year old who can drive 400 ft, and he's not the only teen out here in Kitsap county with some serious game!

West Side!!!!!!!!!

[GettinBetter]

Kyle only took one shot at that hole not multiple

I am a mathematics major also, and maybe if the wind was stagnant then it might have been a "waste" of energy. But since that is not the case this wasted effort is negligable.

I know who wiggins jr. is Ive known about him since he was 9.

i think you need to be more specific when you "anyone can throw 400ft" I know a lot of anyones who wish that were true.

Maybe you should start your own line of discs and the tag line should be "anyone can throw 400ft"

Shoot I would prolly even buy one.

[snap7times]

Hey,

I am going to make this short and to the point, I received some information about the Lakewood Open and the behavior of some hearing players toward the Deaf players at this event. I want to make it clear that being Deaf does not mean that we are completely Deaf and noises do not bother us as they would bother anyone else when it is their turn to throw. Also, common sense, a Deaf person's line of sight is much more wider than a hearing's disc golfers line of sight as our eyes are more sensitive to anything in a 180 degree angle, which means there needs to be more sensitivity to their line of sight and move to a place where it will not bother the thrower.
I know at least 90 percent of us get along just great and we respect eachother's needs for quiet and clear lines of sight for the thrower, but it is the few players that need to be educated on courtesy for eachother during tournaments. This is in no way pointing fingers at a certain person or group, just want to make it clear for anyone that might have thought differently.

[ChUcK]

which means there needs to be more sensitivity to their line of sight and move to a place where it will not bother the thrower.

I was unaware of any part of the rulebook that says some players get to be treated differently than others.

Deafness doesn't keep a competitor from calling a courtesy violation. What's the problem here?

[snap7times]

I was unaware of any part of the rulebook that says some players get to be treated differently than others.

Deafness doesn't keep a competitor from calling a courtesy violation. What's the problem here?

Let's just say that the players on the same card did not respect their repeated request to get out of their line of sight and they didn't know it was a firm rule under courtesy violations so they didnt call it. And they were yapping away thinking they were being unheard while it was their turn to throw.. that paint a better picture?

[GettinBetter]

A sad thing is that some people are just naturally assholes.

[ChUcK]

Let's just say that the players on the same card did not respect their repeated request to get out of their line of sight and they didn't know it was a firm rule under courtesy violations so they didnt call it. And they were yapping away thinking they were being unheard while it was their turn to throw.. that paint a better picture?

I don't need the picture painted, not with 4th hand knowledge of the event. I talked to both parties concerned and the issue seems simple to me.

You said that deaf players deserve preferential treatment, and I said yeah right. The only way any different treatment is necessary is when recording scores. I would have to change the way I sign the number three from the way I normally would, with an OK sign, to what is actually three, thumb/pointer/ring finger. Otherwise, I would give you the exact same courtesy as anyone else, and expect the same in return.

Oh, I guess a more aggressive approach to avoid incoming discs could be in order, as well.

[snap7times]

I never mentioned preferential treatment, just stating the obvious since it just isn't obvious to some people. One person's common sense is another person's ignorance.

[ChUcK]

there needs to be more sensitivity to their line of sight
I never mentioned preferential treatment

You should probably edit one of those posts, just so they match up with one another.

[Trozzle!!!]

Its common knowledge that a loss of one sense or another leads to better use of the other senses. I am not saying that because a player is deaf that you need to stand farther back out of sight than you would for a hearing player. I dont think Snap's biggest problem was because of that.

I already knew, but found out more when working at the 2009 ODDCG. Many deaf people can actually hear. They may be medically "deaf" but with the use of hearing aids, or actually being able to hear some what naturally, they are still considered deaf.

Just because they are "deaf" doesnt give anyone the right to just keep on talking normally because the person who is throwing is "deaf". There is a chance that he or she can still hear you, and it could throw off their throw. I think this is what Snap was most concerened with.

[Mystjava]

I might as well as try to clear things up a bit here.. It might offend some but then it might shed some light on what's going on. When a deaf (or hard of hearing - hoh) person comes up to the tee to play, it is respectful to give them the same benifit of "slience" which would be visual as providing silence (no talking) for the hearing person as well. Yes, some of us do have hearing aids to aid in understanding things and with communication. But our aids are not always the answer - I can't hear when someone is behind me - I do prefer to read lips and have someone speak clearly - not loudly, but clearly. If I am not wearing my hearing aids - I cannot hear you.. I won't be able to understand the lip reading either - so I would revet back to using ASL. However, I am still sensitive to some sounds and to visual cues.

I'm sure that some of us are uncomfortable when someone smokes while playing disc golf, so it is usual customs to move away from the group so the smoke doesn't bother the other players. Common sense? Yeah, I thought so, so in respect - it would be common sense to be "silent" in all forms. Some of us are more sensitive than others, but also some of us have a hard time trying to explain why we need to be respectful without much fingerpointing.

Thirdly and finally - if you're a new player who is going to play for the first PDGA tournament, please to take the time to read the players' manual (PDGA rules and guidelines) so you're aware of what to expect and when to expect it. Please do stand behind the tee - regardless if your disc is way up to the left about twenty feet ahead of one players' disc.. It is respectful to wait behind the "tee" (invisible or not). Please use your eyes to see where everyone else is - who's up, who's next? Use common sense - in a tournament - we need to be ready at all times. Get your disc out and be ready to go.

As if the offense was regarding how slow the round went - sorry - there is nothing I can do about that. I am not going to come up with excuse, but I will say - some of us just walks slower than others - think about it -

I do appreciate you learning the simple signs for the numbers, when it came down to recording the information. The same can be done when we're trying to show who's first, second, third, and so forth. Again .. I hope this will become a learning experience for all of us.

[snap7times]

You should probably edit one of those posts, just so they match up with one another.

pffllltttt, in general, slight movements anywhere in the 180 or 178 degrees to be exact of the view of the Deaf person will most likely become an eyesore and will disrupt focus as most of the time a hearing person will not even notice something to the side.
I've played enough tournaments to notice the dramatic differences in visual courtesy in PDGA and DDGA tournaments, and I do mean dramatic... Only reason I bring it up is because it happened at lakewood repeatedly, being in the 178 degrees of vision for a certain player and the group didnt think it was such a big deal even when asked to move out of the view... Anyone that has played with me knows this, get out of my vision and I stay out of yours... Not asking for preferential treatment, its in the rules in the handbook, 801.01, period... bending it just cuz it dosent seem to bother you is just not cool...

now let's move on, didn't think anyone would debate it...

[ChUcK]

Mystjava, that pretty much sums up the way I think all golfers should treat one another, with equal courtesy and 'silence' in all respects, such as smoke, noise, and motion.

When it comes to being in front of another person's lie, hmmm. I've seen the best of them all gathered around the circle watching each other putt during sudden-death play-offs (stationary, of course) and I've seen the most hard-core 905-rated ams freak out with a competitor at the very edge of their peripheral vision during a weekly doubles match.

A crow will caw right as you reach back for your approach shot. A mosquito will fly up your nose sometimes. The wind makes the trees sway all over the place. The best golfers are able to remove those distractions with their impeccable control over their mind, not their impeccable control over the environment. Fellow competitors will always be distractions, it's impossible to not be one. Intentional distractions are disallowed by the rules, but unintentional distractions (like the next card walking down the fairway 300 ft ahead) are fine, and must be dealt with by you.

Besides, how can we ever expect to draw huge golf crowds if the gallery is required to always be in the rear 180 degrees of the current thrower? It would be a damn human stampede at each green as the spectators scrambled to get out of the way of the next putt, especially if the card had the basket surrounded. If there's motion in your field of vision that you can't control, then deal with it. If you can control it, then do. (something about the wisdom to know the difference.)

oh, and trozzle!!!, your post is not worthy of quoting and refuting.

[Mystjava]

When it comes to being in front of another person's lie, hmmm. I've seen the best of them all gathered around the circle watching each other putt during sudden-death play-offs (stationary, of course) and I've seen the most hard-core 905-rated ams freak out with a competitor at the very edge of their peripheral vision during a weekly doubles match.


This I can deal with because it is at the hole - it's the approaches from tee off to the basket is what bugs me when we cannot respect each other.


A crow will caw right as you reach back for your approach shot. A mosquito will fly up your nose sometimes. The wind makes the trees sway all over the place. The best golfers are able to remove those distractions with their impeccable control over their mind, not their impeccable control over the environment. Fellow competitors will always be distractions, it's impossible to not be one. Intentional distractions are disallowed by the rules, but unintentional distractions (like the next card walking down the fairway 300 ft ahead) are fine, and must be dealt with by you.

Besides, how can we ever expect to draw huge golf crowds if the gallery is required to always be in the rear 180 degrees of the current thrower? It would be a damn human stampede at each green as the spectators scrambled to get out of the way of the next putt, especially if the card had the basket surrounded. If there's motion in your field of vision that you can't control, then deal with it. If you can control it, then do. (something about the wisdom to know the difference.)


Those are part of the daily activities - it is to be expected - and I usually handle those alright, but when someone is disrespectful and have been told previously, then thats a different question all together.

Chuck - thanks for taking the time to listen and to be a voice of concern. I appreciate it! We need players who applies their common sense and wisdom/patience of understanding!

[snap7times]

rightttt... I was only speaking of the situations we can easily control.. Interesting enough is a PDGA final 9 with a huge gallery is wayyyy different than a DDGA final 9 in terms of spectator control. Both are exactly the same however different expectations are had of the spectators, we carry sniper rifles and pop anyone in sight of the throwers... nono just kidding... since trozzle is the only person on here to experience both pdga and ddga galleries for the final round, wonder if he noticed any differences or they the same?

[cefire]

It has taken much longer than I wanted, but here is a short video of this years final nine at the Lakewood Open:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waGcQjdbgWA

[Flash]

It has taken much longer than I wanted, but here is a short video of this years final nine at the Lakewood Open:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waGcQjdbgWA

Something is wrong with the video as it goes black at 4:56 of the 9 + minutes of listed video!

[cefire]

Oh thanks! Should be a pretty easy fix...

[cefire]

Fixed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFg_cJsncg