Flippin ze disc

[Moedawg]

So far i haven't seen anything up here about flippin ze disc this weekend.
Does anyone have an exact address for the course that is being set up.
Ski hill doesn't tell me to much, should it ?

[olydiscgolf]

It sounds to me like, "if you can find Leavonworth, you can find ski hill".

[LakeStevensBA]

Here's how I was told to find Ski Hill.

Take highway 2 into Leavenworth
Turn left at the Wells Fargo bank. This is Ski Hill Drive.
Follow until it takes a 90 degree turn. Don't take the turn, go straight and the course is on that road.

I also heard there is a lot of German beer in Leavenworth.
:chug:

[tikidiscer]

Well done AVDG group!! Great courses, great peeps, and excellent weather!! Highlights for the weekend were Barsby's -15 in the 1st round and then Chandlers 900' crush down the mtn during the final nine. Most excellent!!

[Nate Sexton]

I'd love to know who ended up in the top 4 and if the payout was as big as advertised. Wish I could've been there this year, sounds like it was a great event. Looks like a pretty sick round by Gregg and a great day one for Colin and Chandler.
Nate

[tikidiscer]

I'd love to know who ended up in the top 4 and if the payout was as big as advertised. Wish I could've been there this year, sounds like it was a great event. Looks like a pretty sick round by Gregg and a great day one for Colin and Chandler.
Nate

1st Barsby
2nd Chandler
3rd Orum
4th Colin

[tikidiscer]

1st Barsby
2nd Chandler
3rd Orum
4th Colin


Oh yeah, the payout was not as good as advertised.

[chanman]

Does anyone think that the ratings for the last round are a little low? I was just wondering...:confused:

[gwillim]

Does anyone think that the ratings for the last round are a little low? I was just wondering...:confused:

I think Haley Konrad would probably disagree with you. ;)

[Pizzel]

Does anyone think that the ratings for the last round are a little low? I was just wondering...:confused:Did the entire field play the same course?

[olydiscgolf]

Pro and Advanced played the same course, Am's played another course.

[Gordy #21004]

Oh yeah, the payout was not as good as advertised.

Well then how good was it? I Know there were only 16 Open Pros, so whatever was added to the purse must have been a real piece 'o frosting for so few to chase. BTW, my highlight was Sat. afternoon when the Bavarian band wafted German melodies up through the canyons and heights . I thought I'd attained Disc Gollfen Himmel. The Free bier at Onkel Ule's brought me back down to Earth by mid-night though. Remember; "What's not taken from the purse is ultimatly added to it"

[Gordy #21004]

Did the entire field play the same course?

The answer simply is 'no'. On Sat. AM the Open Pro pool played the easier Alpine course while the other pool played the slightly more difficult Black Forest. I say the 'other' pool because there were also Pros in it; the Open Women. In the afternoon we all swapped courses. Sunday morning the Open Pro pool played the Black Forest again and we followed thw Pro women around again on the Alpine. I'm hoping the TDs are accurately filling in their PDGA report so that the ratins for each round are being properly credited. Fellas? #21004

[Tennessee]

Barsby said he was promised a thousand for first and got a little over five hundred, he was not happy :pullhair:
DONE!

[Gordy #21004]

Barsby said he was promised a thousand for first and got a little over five hundred, he was not happy :pullhair:
DONE!
And so, Sir, Considering this a second hand allegation; what is your relationship to the source of the accusation? #21004

[Sam]

I think Barsby and Tennessee have been hanging out quite a bit recently, actually. I would say that they are friends.

I think that the better question would be who told Barsby that and why didn't it come true. I know that if I had been told one thing and it was off by double, I would be a little pissed.

[LakeStevensBA]

I didn't win $500. In fact I lost my 3rd place trophy in a playoff hole to the tournament co-TD..that SOB Prosser. However, I want to still thank the crew that pulled off the Flippin ze Disc tourney. It was an incredible weekend. The weather was great, and the scenery in Leavenworth can't be beat. Free beer, great camping, people getting zip-tied into their tents all made a great weekend.

Where else do you get to throw off the base of a towering ski jump, or have to lay up a putt due to a rattlesnake sunning itself 30 feet from the basket.

The tourney was very well put together and most everyone I talked to had a great time. Thank you Todd and Kevin and everyone else who worked so hard to turn this nice park into a great tournament course. You rock!
:cheers:

[Gordy #21004]

Ya, you SOB. Why wasn't I promised $1,000? For my money it was Parsely the rookie handing out the K-note rumors. Thanks you guys. I saw alotta smiles. Gordy.

[Tennessee]

I think Barsby and Tennessee have been hanging out quite a bit recently, actually. I would say that they are friends.

I think that the better question would be who told Barsby that and why didn't it come true. I know that if I had been told one thing and it was off by double, I would be a little pissed.
Exactly.....
Picture a 22 year old kid driving across the country trying to make enough for gas and food being told that..... Sorry but thats not cool.
Other than that i had a great time.
MATHEW SCOTT CRIDER #34977 BORN 11/15/82

[ChUcK]

Picture a 22 year old kid driving across the country trying to make enough for gas and food

He should probably be ok, then. Five hundred bucks will get him back to Sacramento in a hummer limo while nibbling on rare delicacies.

[Tennessee]

He should probably be ok, then. Five hundred bucks will get him back to Sacramento in a hummer limo while nibbling on rare delicacies.

??? And what world do you live in?

[Tim]

For my money it was Parsely the rookie handing out the K-note rumors.

Ahh yeah. I try to only listen to Rosemary. She's got some sage advice if you've got the thyme.

[ChUcK]

A world in which subtle hyperbole is often misunderstood by the bitter masses. Barsby will be just fine. :nahnah:

[snap7times]

Gregg is from Grass Valley, not sacramento, sacramento is the ewwwww.... That is why I don't live there heh... and about the first place prize... As a TD myself who tried to get the top players on the west coast to go to ODDGC, I made alot of promises and was able to keep them, barely... There is added cash and there is money expected to be added from entry fees and when a low number of entry fees actually comes in, then there are alot of issues. I am sure the committee for the flippn ze disc were hoping for at least 20-30 more players and that itself would have pushed the payout way up.. Same for ODDGC, I had over 12-13 people drop at the last minute and that is over $400 that is now not in the payout... sucks it wasn't a thousand, but at least it was over $500.

[KP65]

Here, is the truth of the matter the forest service stepped in on the friday, the day before the tournament and said if the tournament was going to happen on their land. Then we had to pay 5% of all entry fees ,disc sales, and on the BBQ sales. They had never discussed that with us before. Along with making us change 8 holes at the last minute as well. So the pro payout was not as good as expected. The other truth is that there was $4200 dollars added to the tournament. Not just to the 16 open players. The other truth is that nobody ever promised Barsby $1000.00 Dollars!!!!!!!!!
It was mentioned to him and others that we thought it could be possible that the winner might get $1000.00 dollars. Beacause that was our goal. However that is far different than promising him a $1000.00 dollars. And had the extra $600+ dollars gone into the tournament and not to the forrest service , etc. And the tournament actually filled that probably would have happened.
Furthermore, Barsby should have been man enough to talk to us about it directly instead of bad mouthing us to everyone else. And having his buddy's post stupid crap like this.
And still more I spend over 200 hours getting sponsorships and put up $700 dollars of the cash myself. As well get all the banners, tee signs, and artwork done at no cost to the tourament. We also provided free camping and all the beers that they could drink saturday night at uncle uli's.
I guess next year we should charge all campers $ 10.00 per night camping and we should make them pay for the beers, all so one guy can take home 25-50% of everything that was added to the tournament.
And by the way I had committed to giving up another $1500 this year in sponsorship of other tournaments here in Washington State. However after hearing you pro's cry about how much more you feel your do, I'm pulling all of my sponsorships, I had committed already to these tournaments off the table. Someone else can sponsor their Depends diaper and kleenex.

[Tennessee]

Not once did he bad mouth any of you guys he was just disappointed in the pay out and thats what i posted previously.
I think you should keep the kleenex for yourself friend.
Now i'm Done!

[Sam]

Furthermore, Barsby should have been man enough to talk to us about it directly instead of bad mouthing us to everyone else. And having his buddy's post stupid crap like this.

What would that have accomplished? Judging from your ridiculous response here, it would have accomplished nothing.

And by the way I had committed to giving up another $1500 this year in sponsorship of other tournaments here in Washington State. However after hearing you pro's cry about how much more you feel your do, I'm pulling all of my sponsorships, I had committed already to these tournaments off the table. Someone else can sponsor their Depends diaper and kleenex.

Wow... you've got some serious "I am going to take my ball and go home" issues. Did mommy not love you enough or something? Not enough hugs at home?

Were you to drop off of the face of the planet and never TD another event, it sounds like you would be doing the sport a huge favor. There will be plenty of adults to step up and more than fill your child-sized shoes, I am sure.

By the way.. I wasn't at your event, I will not attend any of your events and I do not play pro. I do not like people who set up false expectations that they cannot deliver on. Perhaps you should have taken the sponsorship you had planned to donate to other events and paid the park since you clearly didn't have all of your ducks in a row before the tournament? Sounds like you should have bitten the bullet on that one and not left people thinking that you're a liar. Just a thought...

[TYVEK]

whooaa now. hold on.

KP65 is a good guy. he has been supporting disc golf in many ways for a long time now. the post he put here might have been a little dramatic, but i dont think anybody should be jumping down his throat here. that was his first post and he just joined today. he could be a great assett to this forum, but not if you roll out the welcome mat with all the barbed wire on it like you are doing.

[Sam]

Yeah... he makes a great first impression. :rolleyes2:

Let's see... set up false expectations that you can't or won't deliver on and then act like a 4 year-old when someone expresses their disappointment. Classy. Doesn't sound like much of a TD if he can't take open and honest criticism.

[Scott]

Yeah... he makes a great first impression. :rolleyes2:

Let's see... set up false expectations that you can't or won't deliver on and then act like a 4 year-old when someone expresses their disappointment. Classy. Doesn't sound like much of a TD if he can't take open and honest criticism.

No need to fight anger with more anger. :nono:

[Wobbly Bob]

Hey KP35, the same thing happened the first tournament I ran. It was the Inaugural Lilac City Open in Spokane. There was a statement made by ??someone?? that we were gonna pay 1st place a $$GRAND$$. That was my goal and I failed miserably and disappointed Dave Feldberg by only paying 1st Place $490. He may never play in Spokane again, although I hope some day he will. I like you only had 15 or 16 Pro Open players.

Anyone that has run a big money tournament knows that you need over 40 Pro Open competitors, paying $80 each and at least $1750 added to the Pro Open division to make 1st Place worth a $1000.

It would seem to me that the Pro Open competitors would also know that you can't have a $1000 1st place prize with 16 competitors paying $50 to play. That's only $752 paid into the purse by the players themselves. As the TD you would have to come up with and additional $4,010 added cash to make 1st Place worth $1000. And that's only the one division, added cash has to be spread across all the pro dividions.

KP35, I think that you did an excellent job running your first PDGA event. I've never been to a tournament where they take you to the bar and buy drinks. Or had free camping, or had Bavarian music played. I believe that a great time was had by 99% of the people.

Oh, and one other thing, there not supposed to be any whining in disc golf!! If all disc golfers would remember this one fact every tournament would be fun for all.

So you'll just have to understand that people will be disappointed even when you run a great tournament and that most disc golfers have no idea what it takes to put together a sanctioned PDGA event, God Bless Them.

Remember that these Forums are just a whipping post or maybe a whining post for the unhappy players as well as place for Thank you post or atta boy post for the happy players. Most of the people who post on these sites hide behind an avatar.

So Kevin, don't get caught up in everyone else's negativity. And for sure don't listen to Sam's B#LL SH*T because I'm sure that he or she hasn't taken the time to get to know you and could care less about anything you accomplished or how you feel.

If you look at the emoticons, you'll see an almost exact representation of all the folks who come to a disc golf tournament. As the TD you should be this one:laughing: and let those that want to be this one:pullhair: be the one they want to be.

And that's my two cents for what it's worth. Which ain't much these days.

[Sam]

Man... why haven't I been to a Washington tournament (that was not at the Mudd) in over 3 years? Oh yeah... this would be one of the major reasons why right here.

[Scott]

Nominated for post of the year. I put my favorite parts, which were many, in bold.

Well done, Bob. :cheers:

Hey KP35, the same thing happened the first tournament I ran. It was the Inaugural Lilac City Open in Spokane. There was a statement made by ??someone?? that we were gonna pay 1st place a $$GRAND$$. That was my goal and I failed miserably and disappointed Dave Feldberg by only paying 1st Place $490. He may never play in Spokane again, although I hope some day he will. I like you only had 15 or 16 Pro Open players.

Anyone that has run a big money tournament knows that you need over 40 Pro Open competitors, paying $80 each and at least $1750 added to the Pro Open division to make 1st Place worth a $1000.

It would seem to me that the Pro Open competitors would also know that you can't have a $1000 1st place prize with 16 competitors paying $50 to play. That's only $752 paid into the purse by the players themselves. As the TD you would have to come up with and additional $4,010 added cash to make 1st Place worth $1000. And that's only the one division, added cash has to be spread across all the pro dividions.

KP35, I think that you did an excellent job running your first PDGA event. I've never been to a tournament where they take you to the bar and buy drinks. Or had free camping, or had Bavarian music played. I believe that a great time was had by 99% of the people.

Oh, and one other thing, there not supposed to be any whining in disc golf!! If all disc golfers would remember this one fact every tournament would be fun for all.

So you'll just have to understand that people will be disappointed even when you run a great tournament and that most disc golfers have no idea what it takes to put together a sanctioned PDGA event, God Bless Them.

Remember that these Forums are just a whipping post or maybe a whining post for the unhappy players as well as place for Thank you post or atta boy post for the happy players. Most of the people who post on these sites hide behind an avatar.

So Kevin, don't get caught up in everyone else's negativity. And for sure don't listen to Sam's B#LL SH*T because I'm sure that he or she hasn't taken the time to get to know you and could care less about anything you accomplished or how you feel.

If you look at the emoticons, you'll see an almost exact representation of all the folks who come to a disc golf tournament. As the TD you should be this one:laughing: and let those that want to be this one:pullhair: be the one they want to be.

And that's my two cents for what it's worth. Which ain't much these days.

[Tim]

Jeez. Is it just me or have things been blown WAY out of proportion here? It sounds to me that nearly everyone had a great time at this tournament, and that some of the pros just were disappointed that they didn't get as much as they were expecting. I don't get the impression that the TDs were claiming that the payout was going to be as large as the pros were expecting, but that the buzz hyped it up from being a "goal" to being a "guarantee". It's unfortunate that expectations got higher than the reality, but come on, lets keep things in perspective...$500+ for 1st place in a B-tier is a lot higher than most tournaments you'll find. Heck, look at GNO, one of the premier events in OR, right? And has been for many years. There was a field 3 times the size of FZD's and 1st place barely cracked $400. I'm not knocking GNO, just pointing out that to get the payout where it was for FZD took a huge amount of added cash--and all for a 1st ever event by newer TDs.

I wish I could have made it out there myself, it sounds like it was a great time. I would just suggest that in the future, keep your goals high, but keep them private, the rumor mill can be a formidable opponent.

[Wobbly Bob]

Amen to that part about the RUMOR MILL!!

[Sam]

I think that the response to the expression of disappointment set me off more than anything else. Like... it's not OK to express it for some reason?

I don't think that the winner of the GNO was disappointed with the payout because I don't think that the payout was advertised to be twice what it turned out to be.

[ChUcK]

I think an overlooked highlight of Kevin's post was the fact that Barsby wasn't promised anything.

Thanks, Snap, I grew up in Auburn and know the area quite well.

[Sam]

And yet... Barsby felt like he was. What's weird to me is that it doesn't seem that Washington TDs care all that much if they piss off touring pros by not meeting the expectations they set. Kind of seems like they do not care if they come back or not nor care about the reputation they will get when these touring pros talk to other touring pros.

Lastly, there were even earlier posts commenting on the size of the advertised payout and how it fell short of what was put out there. Funny how that is now being swept under the rug.

[Tim]

I don't think that the winner of the GNO was disappointed with the payout because I don't think that the payout was advertised to be twice what it turned out to be.

That's just the thing though. I don't think it WAS advertised to be twice what it turned out to be. I'd heard that there was going to be a bunch of added cash, but never heard that there was going to be a "guaranteed $1000 to first place" or anything like that. If it had stated something along those lines on the flier, but then didn't meet that, then yes, that would be something to complain about. I don't think anything was advertised as such though...only that there was going to be $4000 of added cash. Sounds to me that the TDs wanted to be able to pay out $1000 to 1st, somebody caught wind of that, and somewhere in the mix that got interpreted to the DG community that yes, they would pay out $1000 to 1st.

[Sam]

But it clearly was advertised as being higher than it turned out to be, right? I don't think Nate Sexton made that up. I also don't think Chris Fry was making something up by saying it was lower than advertised. Do you?

I think that we agree that the TD made a BIG mistake by setting expectations this high - even if that was not his intention to do so. Had he simply said, "whoops! My bad" the whole thing would have been forgiven and done, I am sure. Instead, there is the implication that Barsby is lying and whining about something unreasonable and that is a completely dick move on the TD's part, in my opinion.

[Tim]

No, I'm not insinuating that anybody made anything up, simply that there seems to have been a misunderstanding.

[KP65]

It was a misunderstanding that even though there was 4200 dollars added. That in hindsight, not all of that actually goes to added cash to the pro's. There are other expenses that have to be deducted from what is add cash. Such as portable toilets, park fees(which we regret not knowing about in advance of the tourney), trailers to pick up and haul to borrowed baskets, etc. As a 1st time TD, it was unclear that by me saying there was that much money added. That it was was assumed and expected that was cash added just to the pro division.(my/our mistake) I will do my best to never confuse the two in the future. As far as Barsby goes I still wish he would contact me directly, so we might be able to work out something that is fair to him. we were never trying to mislead him or anyone else. He was amazing to watch throw, and we thank him for coming.

[snap7times]

As the TD for the recent ODDGC, which is the equivalent to BSF in Deaf to hearing comparison, I faced alot of the same issues that are being discussed on this thread. Pros will always bugggg the TD for how much to expect in the payout. TD's will let on what they hope for, and most of the time in these hopes, they have factored in a certain amount of registered players and can count on those entry fees to push the payout to the desired/hoped amount. Sometimes the TD gets lucky and everyone goes, sometimes you get a few superstars and the tournament dosent fill up. The players themselves have to figure out that since there is a low number of entrys, expect the payout to be what it is and accept what it is because the TD is the one working his or her butt off to make it as big as a payout can be.
Example; I tried to get at least 45 people to go, i had 30 pre registered and 12-13 verbals which put me up to near 45, which was my goal and would guarantee my advertised hopes of the cash payout amounts. I verbally said guarantee $300 to first and depending on entry fees could be well over $500. Now as you can see, those verbals never showed up, their loss, since they missed out on everything.
Now obviously since the turn out was the biggest ever, but still way less than expected, the payout will not be over $500 to first, especially with only 9 open men registered at $50 each. Now when I posted the minimum payout chart Saturday night and said that is the guarantee and could be more. First was $340, 2nd at $225, 3rd at $170, and 4th at $95 for only 9 players. First thing out of one of the pro players who flew in for this event was, oh man, wtf, only $340 for first, you promised $500. OFC a TD who has put in over 300 hours into this event in the last 9 months, i blew up right there in his face and said I never guarateed $500, I guaranteed $300 and said depending on the entry fees if we can get 45 players, we can get it over $500, now you can flippin see that people didnt show up and are missing out big time, and it says "MINIMUM" on the chart which means it can be more and shut the f*&# up and play hard tomorrow and win it. He didn't win, didnt even get 2nd place either cuz I got it...
Point is what, Pros can twist stories and dont think straight before commenting to someone who has put in more hours than the person commenting has gave to the sport in the past few years combined to the tournament.. Obviously you have to calculate the number of people in the event and all of that. THe last thing a TD deserves is any negative comments at all, because every good thing about the tournament, they made happen. Shut up and enjoy it.
Come sunday night, the pro who commented shut up once the real payout was announced.
1st $440
2nd $330
3rd $220
4th $110
Now if this were a 32 person event in the PDGA, this would be a SUPER EXCELLENT payout and added cash. Most of the players realized this at the awards and were thankful for everything, but the whiners are the ones who dont think about all the details the TD has gone through to make the event happen successfully.

[ChUcK]

From what I gather, being a TD is rarely worth the effort. It sounds like the tournament was a great time with many highlights, but this is what people will remember. Human nature sucks.

[Sam]

I doubt it, Chuck. If the event was as much fun as so many have said, that will be what people remember. This is NOT the first event where something like this has happened. And hey... at least the winner got more than a Snickers' bar - king size or not. :whistler:

[Ken Smith]

I thought to myself ... "I better tread lightly here through the crossfire." For what it's worth, I'm sensing that Kevin felt stung/hurt and was probably sensitive about the issue (based on what happened), and reacted before thinking. Regardless of what did or didn't happen, I have played with Kevin in Adv. Masters and he is a really good, kind man. Anybody trying to start up an event and be TD is a good thing, period. This e-mail and forum thing can never accurately convey the subleties, body language, or tone of voice. The telephone or person-to-person is a much better way of communicating some of these feelings. I just wish we had Bill Gates or a wealthy sheik (who I'm sure would live in Leavenworth) getting hard core hooked on DG, and sponsoring the itshay out of our tournies.

[chanman]

I think both sides have valid points. It was a great tourney, no doubt. Personally, I was led to believe that the payout was much more than what was delivered. But I never heard it from the TD or anyone in the crew. I dont know who, but someone seriously made a huge mistake by saying that the pro payout was bigger than it was. I dont know who it was, but that person is a dick.

Sam, you should come to the Steilly Open. I miss you.

[Maidenrules]

[QUOTEAnd hey... at least the winner got more than a Snickers' bar - king size or not. :whistler:[/QUOTE] Did you play Fernhill back in the early 90's?:whistler:

[NWDiscer]

. And hey... at least the winner got more than a Snickers' bar - king size or not. :whistler:


there are maybe a couple of people on this forum that might get that..........but most will have no clue who the hell you refer to here. and he is not from Wa. at least not that i know of :D :rolleyes2::whistler:

but we do have him to thank for getting Milo rolling.....:bowing: as blah as it was when it 1st went in :blush:

[Flatroc]

What would that have accomplished? Judging from your ridiculous response here, it would have accomplished nothing.



Wow... you've got some serious "I am going to take my ball and go home" issues. Did mommy not love you enough or something? Not enough hugs at home?

Were you to drop off of the face of the planet and never TD another event, it sounds like you would be doing the sport a huge favor. There will be plenty of adults to step up and more than fill your child-sized shoes, I am sure.

By the way.. I wasn't at your event, I will not attend any of your events and I do not play pro. I do not like people who set up false expectations that they cannot deliver on. Perhaps you should have taken the sponsorship you had planned to donate to other events and paid the park since you clearly didn't have all of your ducks in a row before the tournament? Sounds like you should have bitten the bullet on that one and not left people thinking that you're a liar. Just a thought...

Wow Sam,
And you don't even know this fella? :chinscratch:
At your first attempt of running a gig did any of your goals/expectations slip through the chains? :whistler:
Was it a perfect gig? :rolleyes2:
If you answered yes then I say good job dude. :yay:
And then I'd suggest that perhaps you might try to share with others why and how you did it so that nobody complained :biggrin2:, instead of taking your time to bash a fella who IMO tried to do a good job as a 1st time TD.
I hope to cya at :whistler:'s this summer. :cheers:

KP65,
I've run more events than all the folks replying to this topic combined.
You don't need to apologize or justify any of this crap that is being slung at you. Although if you stick with it, be ready for the folks like Slam Bam who aren't afraid to call a spade a spade even if it's a club. :wink2:
Unless it's in writing at the gig table, how much the payout will be can lead to a lot of cheap talk.
At my last gig I mentioned to a lot of people that I was shooting for a $1,000. 1st place pro payout. So, needless to say there was lots of talk.
This was the actual payout, but if it were not and the winners "BestBerg" would've complained, I would've politely smiled and said "obla di obla da", life goes on.
As for pros going to gigs expecting something that wasn't "promised"....
maybe the "dollar signs" in their eyes get in the way of reality.
:chinscratch:

[Sam]

I think I stated my piece and don't really have to rehash it. What bothered me the most was Crider getting mocked and then slammed for stating what was obvious - not to mention Barsby getting slammed and mocked for the same thing. It is clear that those who did this haven't walked a mile in their shoes and couldn't even begin to understand why they would have been disappointed - and that was just lame.

[Ode]

The tournament was really fun and a great event. I know I'll be going back to Kevin and Todd's tournaments again, and ive only been spreading the good word about how fun it was. I think all this uproar thats been fabricated over the net really us making something out of nothing and people should look back on the tournament as a great weekend of golf. I applaud Kevin and Todd for an amazing first event and hope to see them running another soon, depsite all this unwarranted aggression from the interweb.

[Sam]

Unwarranted. :laughing:
Read the thread before commenting out the back side, friend. :cheers:

[LakeStevensBA]

Unwarranted. :laughing:
Read the thread before commenting out the back side, friend. :cheers:

Go to the event, meet the TDs who busted their asses, find out the facts before you sling mud, and think twice before you totally bash fellow disc golfers who may have done something a little differently than you would have.....friend..:cheers:

[Sam]

Where's the emoticon for someone just running their mouth...

I did find out the facts. The pros were disappointed with the payout as it didn't match what was advertised nor what was spread through the rumor mill. This is a fact... friend... one you clowns can't seem to get a firm grasp on.

Good luck with that. :laughing:

[olydiscgolf]

Thanks Todd and Kevin and Drew and Jaime and everybody else who busted BUTT to make this event happen, I had a great time, I will be back.

[Gordy #21004]

Where's the emoticon for someone just running their mouth...

I did find out the facts. The pros were disappointed with the payout as it didn't match what was advertised nor what was spread through the rumor mill. This is a fact... friend... one you clowns can't seem to get a firm grasp on.

Good luck with that. :laughing:

What is it from the rumor mill you are presenting as a fact you found out?When you say 'the Pros' you can't mean other than the 'Pros' as a whole. That means all the 'Pros'; the Masters, the Women and , yes, the Open Pros. Could the disappointment on the part of the Pros that you present as fact have anything to do with the 'fact' that so few of them participated? It can't be that all the Pros fail to understand that light participation results in a 'lighter' purse. How can you present these loosely connected suppositions on your part as short-comings on the part of the hosts? Not only is this NOT fun to wade through, its just plain unresponsible. Gordy. PS If Barsby could only throw 50' he would still be the funnest person I talked to all week-end and BTW Greg, I had you called and seconded. Try again. Thats how we do it in Adv. GrMasters.

[Eric whippet Brown]

There seems to be alot of crying over the payout and I think it's funny. I know I lost alot of sleep over it, wait I didnt play so Im sleeping fine. It must be some of the Pro's loosing sleep over it, you know shit happens payout might not have been that good but get over it. From what I heard it was a fun tourney unless your a top pro making a living out of your money you earn, but then again:waaah: Go have fun