This part of the forum is DEAD

[GettinBetter]

Why is that....poor poor washington :yawn:

[sillybizz]

Well there is the tournament in Skyline at the ball/disc golf course there on the 20th anyone going?

[TYVEK]

this thread is just about dead because the washington state series is on life support right now. it was dying very quickly right before the Aloha Sushi Classic, but a few different people got together and are trying to nurse it along this season.

[Sam]

It's a pandemic. See Jeff Mittl and Mike Phillips for the cure. :cheers:

[Scott]

It's a pandemic. See Jeff Mittl and Mike Phillips for the cure. :cheers:

Nice post.

Very true.

:cheers:

[Tim]

this thread is just about dead because the washington state series is on life support right now. it was dying very quickly right before the Aloha Sushi Classic, but a few different people got together and are trying to nurse it along this season.

Yeah, while people had to kind of do a last minute scramble to get things going, there IS still a state series happening this year (not everyone can say that :whistler:).

You can see the standings here. (http://www.discgolftacoma.com/waseriespoints/2009/2009waseriespts.pdf)

[Scott]

You can see the standings here. (http://www.discgolftacoma.com/waseriespoints/2009/2009waseriespts.pdf)


There sure are a lot of Oregon players in this Washington series. :whistler:

[snap7times]

3 of 4 ODDGA's officers live in Vancouver... it's just better down in Oregon... Even Lucky Mudd and Leverich are trying to change their address to be in Oregon... ;)

[Mystjava]

Also you should say that 2 of the 4 WDDGA officers also live in Vancouver area! (Mike G, Scott M and I swore I thought more lived down there.. maybe it is just "hopeful!")

[REDFIVE]

The people that run tourneys or the series up here aren't on the site. It would be nice to get more WA players on the site to get more info out there. It is just better to be a golfer in oregon. That sucks being that I am up here but I am not in a position to do anything about it. I thank the people that do what they do for washington golf but it would be nice to have another place to get more info from the source not just another person putting up info for a TD. I could always move to portland!

[Garrett]

I'm just an old noob with disc golf, but as time goes on and I gain more experience, I would love to get more involved in events and such.

I'm actually a bit disappointed in the state of affairs for disc golf in my area. Unfortunately, there's a big side effect to a sport like this that is free, and that is money. Money makes the world go 'round and 'round and it's hard to make something move along when there's little to money flowing in to keep it moving.

I've only been playing for maybe 3 months now, but I do so love playing and can honestly say I'm addicted for sure.

I play at the Fort Steilacoom course and have not played any other course in the Puget Sound area yet, but plan to eventually. My initial impression of the Fort Steilacoom park was a bit of a shock as I've seen run down neighborhoods in the Hilltop area of Tacoma look better than the Fort Steilacoom course. I can only hope that this an isolated example of what courses are like, if not and it's more widespread, then it's a very big shame.

My first shock was the amount of litter throughout the course... I asked my friends why there were no trash cans. I was told that there used to be trash cans, but that someone or several people or different groups were vandalizing the trash cans to the point that they had to be taken out. The "Pack it in, pack it out" idea is of course a great idea, but then again, those who vandalized the trash cans are not going to heed such a thing. If they were more than willing to vandalize, what makes anyone think they'll pack their trash back out with them to the dumpster at the parking lot.

The general condition of the course itself as a course seems really bad to me also. It's hard to distinguish one lane from another, baskets missing, benches busted up and or missing, signs vandalized, painted on or missing. Though I do enjoying playing there, I feel almost as if I need to apply for Welfare to play there.

My point is, if this is what the majority of courses are like in Washington, then no wonder it's events are falling on hard times.

Add to that another ill effect I recently felt with Disc Golf at the Fort Steilacoom course. My son's friend who's been playing since he a very small child loaned his disc to his cousin back in February and his cousin lost that disc. Now the person who currently handles the losts disc for this course has some (what I think are odd) odd management styles of taking care of lost discs. He does at least put a list of what has been found, offers a number to call, but states that you may not leave a message if you do not get a hold of him. The information goes on to state (now, as it's been updated recently) that they will only hold discs for 30 days before selling them off. What is not mentioned is that if you are not a member of the club for this course, they will not call you if they have your disc, even if your name and number are clearly printed and visible on your disc. Maybe, just maybe there's something legitimate behind this, but thus far, I do not see it and feel that this just plain and simple bull shit. To further my dislike of this particular situation is that this person is rarely ever seen at the course. In my 3 months of playing, 3 or 4 days a week, I've only seen this person once. I've many other also complain about this. You can't leave a message, he won't call you and he's rarely ever at the course. This just doesn't seem to be the way to handle such things. Lastly to top off the bad experience is the elitist attitude the man had toward this young man looking for his lost disc. The man simply just talked down to him as if he were nothing, unimportant and nothing but a waste of his elite time. The crowd that was also with this man, whom I assume were all part of this regions club were also a bit rude to others around the area. Such an attitude and actions will not gain new paying members to the club for this region, also furthering the possible demise of others wanting to participate in events or anything else.

If this is also a copy of the attitude from other clubs in Washington, you have yet another reason why events and loyalty to disc golf maybe diminishing.

But as I said, I really want to get involved eventually, but the course is a bit depressing and my first contact with the local club left me with a bitter taste that will be hard to sweeten any time soon.

Before I possibly get thrashed for saying these things, I do not have any suggestions to resolve any of the situations. I'm not part of the problem nor am I part of the solution at this time. But I believe something needs to be done to try and turn such things around.

It could be also that due to my lack of experience and time in the Disc Golf community, that maybe I'm not seeing things as they are. If so, do not be too harsh on me for my current view of things. Given more time, I'll gain more experience and also maybe have a different point of view, or still see the same things, but by then maybe have some suggestions to resolve some things.

~Garrett

[TYVEK]

It could be also that due to my lack of experience and time in the Disc Golf community, that maybe I'm not seeing things as they are. If so, do not be too harsh on me for my current view of things. Given more time, I'll gain more experience and also maybe have a different point of view, or still see the same things, but by then maybe have some suggestions to resolve some things.

~Garrett

hi Garrett,

You are right. The way you see things is most likely the way that the public that doesnt play see's things as well. and if what you say is true then the local club is not working towards the goal that they are claiming "to grow and progress the sport of disc golf". that is a problem. alot of people at stilly are "old schoolers" and thats just how it has been. i know that there are people that are trying to change things, but at a course as old as stilly it really takes time.

the only suggestion i have is that join the club, and when elections come by again that you run for an office. i think that would be the greatest way for you to go about having a voice in getting change happening.

thanks for your post, we all need to know what fresh eyes are seeing and how things are being percieved by others.

come down to Olympia sometime and we can play a round at Yauger park.

[Garrett]

the only suggestion i have is that join the club, and when elections come by again that you run for an office. i think that would be the greatest way for you to go about having a voice in getting change happening.

Hmmmm, soon maybe. Right now it's still a bit too early for me to get that involved.

come down to Olympia sometime and we can play a round at Yauger park.

I may do that some time, but still need to check out Sumner, Auburn and Fed Way. I'm still learning too, so maybe by the time I get down there, maybe I'll actually put up a good game for ya there :p Right now, I'm still at the stage of trying out different discs and griping, reading tutorials and such.

Thanks for the offer too, as I would like to start meeting other disc golfers other than my two boys and their friends.. I always feel like the odd one out since I'm the old fart amongst the younger fella's in the group. Even if you are one of them young whipper snappers, it'd still be good to start meeting others, so when my boys are burned out, I can still find someone else to hit the courses with. :-)

Thanks,
~Garrett

[Wog]

Just for the record 2 of the 5 Stumptown Disc Golf board members also live in Washington. Vancouver residents love our little secret, that the best place to live in Portland, isn't really in Portland. Many of us live closer to Portland (or the Portland Airport) than most people who live in Portland! I also love the shock of those Portlanders when they come over to play in The 'Couve and they are amazed that this Washington course is closer to many of them than any Oregon course!

[Wog]

P.S. All you Washington Disc Golf players are welcome to come down and play at one of Washington's newest disc golf courses, Leverich Park!

Currently Oregon Players total 46 and Washington Players total 21. I would love to have a Oregon VS Washington rivalry for bragging rights at Leverich!

[Mystjava]

Garret -- I can understand how you feel also, which is what happened to me about seven years ago when I "dropped" disc golf. But since meeting up with the Washington Deaf Disc Golf, I've been going crazy. Another way to feel part of the disc golf community is to be active in the up-keeping (work parties) as well socializing among some of the other dgers. It takes some time -- I've recently started up again in October of last year.
Keep working on it and don't worry if you're a lousy player or not -- everyone has room to improve! That's how we learn and grow from our sport! Go for it!

["Over the Hill" Bob]

P.S. All you Washington Disc Golf players are welcome to come down and play at one of Washington's newest disc golf courses, Leverich Park!

Currently Oregon Players total 46 and Washington Players total 21. I wo uld love to have a Oregon VS Washington rivalry for bragging rights at Leverich!

So can we consider this as the challenge officially being made? If so, as Vice President of Stumptown Disc Golf Club, I'll recommend at our meeting next week, that we accept the challenge and sponsor the "Clash Across the Columbia". :shooting: I think I'll get the support of our President since he's the one throwing down the challenge. :whistler:

Bob

[Trozzle!!!]

I think WA, with the many greaqt courses and the many great discers, the WA scene could be just as big as the OR scene has become. I would love to see WA get more like the OR scene, so that the entire NW area will become the disc golf mecca of the world!!!!!

[Mystjava]

Another good reason to be living in the Northwest!!! I just love how we take care of our courses, of course, I know we can do more.. but think about it.. We have the beautiful trees, plants, ferns, wildlife, etc! It's amazing to be able to play disc golf up here in the Pacific Northwest! (Now, will someone please put up a new disc golf course in the Olympic Mountains?!)

[ChUcK]

Ray Antoon doesn't want to run the WA series anymore, and it really shows. I have pitched in to keep track of the series points this year (and future years, until my services are no longer necessary), but someone with more cojones/organizational skills than me needs to step up and run it.

Well, keep coming to our tournaments, you silly beavers. You are welcome in WA any time, and I still enjoy competing with you, despite the jaundiced views displayed by some of your representatives.

The funny thing is, this thread bashing our series was started by some dude from Puyallup, WA. I suppose he thinks that he, by posting this stuff, is taking an active, enthusiastic role in WA disc golf. I think he needs to turn his awe-inspiring statesmanlike skills towards drafting new course proposals. I hear that's all King County needs- an uninformed, unintelligent statement followed by a smiley. They just start forklifting cash/land right to your door.

[Garrett]

Garret -- I can understand how you feel also, which is what happened to me about seven years ago when I "dropped" disc golf. But since meeting up with the Washington Deaf Disc Golf, I've been going crazy. Another way to feel part of the disc golf community is to be active in the up-keeping (work parties) as well socializing among some of the other dgers. It takes some time -- I've recently started up again in October of last year.
Keep working on it and don't worry if you're a lousy player or not -- everyone has room to improve! That's how we learn and grow from our sport! Go for it!

I plan for sure on going out there either by myself or with anyone else willing and cleaning up trash.

And I'm not worried about looking bad when I play. I play for fun, not for fame and fortune.

[Scott]

The people that run tourneys or the series up here aren't on the site.

That's a crying shame.

There are a few TD's in Oregon that stay away as well, and I could never understand it. If you are a tournament director, why would you turn away free and effective advertising?

[Garrett]

You would also figure that using these forums would help TDs pass on ideas that have worked for them to other TDs who might be struggling with their events... It's also great for up and coming or new TDs to get ideas from either other TDs or from a wealth of players who are very active.

It's a win / win situation using forums such as this.

[bvdisc]

You would also figure that using these forums would help TDs pass on ideas that have worked for them to other TDs who might be struggling with their events... It's also great for up and coming or new TDs to get ideas from either other TDs or from a wealth of players who are very active.

It's a win / win situation using forums such as this.

The one thing that I see keeping people away from these forums is that they can become intensley negative. For people who are working really hard to make an event happen/put in a course/etc. it can be very discouraging and frustrating so they stay away.

[all2common]

Perhaps they shouldn't be so sensitive.

[Tim]

The one thing that I see keeping people away from these forums is that they can become intensley negative. For people who are working really hard to make an event happen/put in a course/etc. it can be very discouraging and frustrating so they stay away.

I don't know, though there is negativity to be found here for sure, by and large when it comes to events and work parties and such, I've found the community to be mostly supportive. (When it comes to the "controversial topics" section, well, that's a different matter). Most of the negativity I hear in relation to disc golf are grumblings through the grapevine about somebody doing or not doing something for some purported reason.

[Garrett]

The one thing that I see keeping people away from these forums is that they can become intensley negative. For people who are working really hard to make an event happen/put in a course/etc. it can be very discouraging and frustrating so they stay away.

To a point true. I've been using forums or the earlier form of forums known as your local BBS since the very early 90's(ahhhhh, the days of 9600 baud dialup modems) and in specialty places like this, there is rarely any negativity, not that the occasional bout doesn't happen, as it always will, on forums or even in person, it's going to happen when two people don't see eye to eye. It also depends greatly on those who manage the forum. If they let the place become the wild wild west, then yes, it would discourage people from being more active.

I can tell already that the users of this forum would not tolerate a forum troll and that anyone who's constantly negative would likely either snap out of it and become a part of the solution or quietly fade away.

If they are discouraged into coming to a very useful forum, then they'll be discouraged in person as well, which means they may not have what it takes to tackle events. That's not just for DG either, that's for life in general. If one can't take a little heat on a forum, then how in the world are they going to react to someone in front of them bashing their idea to their face personally.

Personally, I think a TDs only section would be a great idea on the forums where TDs can get together privately to help each other out. They already have a way to talk to players in the form of this forum which I believe is an outstanding tool for them to gauge their ideas and potential events. A private TDs only section would allow them to hone their events down even further.

Another possible reason why some may not be using this forum or any other form of online tools is plain and simple they're not computer savvy at all. Many of the old school players may not even own a computer, or if they do, it's like an Apple IIe or an 8086 with GEM on it, which means they don't have internet access and likely don't use their computers for much of anything.

Alrighty... Old man obviously rambling on here.. sorry about that. /ramblingoff :p

[AchimbaProphet]

Many TDs talk by phone when they need to communicate with each other.

I tried to make a TD resource center previously but the effort was not going to be put to use.

[GettinBetter]

No, "chuck" the reason i started this thread is because I was curious about why this part of the forum had no activity. But thanks for the sarcasim anyways.

[ChUcK]

Well, you certainly succeeded in generating some activity in the WA Series section but...
I can think of a few hundred more positive (though less ironically titled) threads that could have been started in its place.

Don't worry, Scott, the Oregonians dominating the standings at the moment will be dropping off once they don't attend enough tourneys (or break a tibia).

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if Nate takes it this year though- he only needs another tournament (Lakewood this weekend) to qualify. Mike Werth could steal it from Nate if he places high in the last three, once the Ironman points are added in. I've got my money riding on the Big Dog...:nahnah:

[Ol' Bob]

ChUcK, shouldn't it be, "cHUcK?"

[ChUcK]

ChUcK, shouldn't it be, "cHUcK?"

That would be assuming I could do anything that closely resembled a HUK. I mostly just spray and pray.

Soooo, about the WA series... Hopefully we will have the Terrace Creek Open back in the lineup next year. Heck, the way things are shaping up around there, it would have been plenty functional for a late-summer tourney this year.

[Tim]

Hopefully we will have the Terrace Creek Open back in the lineup next year. Heck, the way things are shaping up around there, it would have been plenty functional for a late-summer tourney this year.

Gettin' there, gettin' there. Still got a little ways to go before it's suitable for a tournament, IMO. 18 is still a beast that needs to be tamed with some serious weed eating (not to mention a couple other areas that could use it.) 16's tee is still a danger zone. And 14 is still an awful, smelly, mess of a hole...plus it's just plain embarrassing for non-locals to have to see. Things are moving in the right direction though. I don't want to make any promises I can't keep, but I do have plans for at least one tournament before the end of the year.

As for TCO in the lineup, I may be open to having it in the series next year, but definitely would want to do it for a different date. Spending months in advance trying to get the course into shape for one weekend is not an experience I particularly want to go through again.

[GettinBetter]

Also, sumner is getting out of control. I love that course and would love to see it in the series. I have no tools or anything. If there was a work party there I would def. be there.

[killa]

I know of one way to infuse some life into this WA series forum: move the Lakewood Open thread here from "Upcoming events." It may not be necessary, but it would help us northerners look a hair less latent and (a)pathetic.

[ChUcK]

What's a Hairless Latent? Some sort of chinchilla?

Speaking of the Lakewood Open, I was out there with Edge moving all the baskets to the shorts yesterday, and we had a bit of an issue with finding the other two collar positions for hole 17. If anyone is practiced up in divination, dowsing, or is able to use the force, it would help to find the pins before Saturday...

Tim said:
I don't want to make any promises I can't keep, but I do have plans for at least one tournament before the end of the year.

:evilgrin:666:evilgrin:

[Cold Steel]

[QUOTE=ChUcK;22073]What's a Hairless Latent? Some sort of chinchilla?

Speaking of the Lakewood Open, I was out there with Edge moving all the baskets to the shorts yesterday, and we had a bit of an issue with finding the other two collar positions for hole 17. If anyone is practiced up in divination, dowsing, or is able to use the force, it would help to find the pins before Saturday...

We found long 17, can't find middle.

[REDFIVE]

Riverside is a wetland on both ends and we have not been notified how or if we can mow in some areas. The county will be coming through to mow the rest in the next couple of weeks and will do so once a week for the summer.

[Garrett]

I thought I had heard something about Riverside changing hands to the city of Sumner instead of being run by the County... Is that still in play, or did the County drop that idea?

[REDFIVE]

It is still a county park. If mark were on here he could give all the details, but I heard that guy is a dork.

[Garrett]

ROFL@The Dork

[Garrett]

As a follow up to my original comments in this thread...

Recently someone or many persons, have gone through the 'coom course and cleaned it up real good, as well, someone got some mowing done there and the place looks half way decent now.

Kudos to those involved in cleaning up the course recently and those who mowed that place. It looks so much better now. :-)

[killa]

What's a Hairless Latent? Some sort of chinchilla?

:laughing: ... take the hair off a chinchilla and you may as well listen to RATM without Zack de la Rocha. I for one do NOT want to look like that.

Speaking of the Lakewood Open, I was out there with Edge moving all the baskets to the shorts yesterday, and we had a bit of an issue with finding the other two collar positions for hole 17. If anyone is practiced up in divination, dowsing, or is able to use the force, it would help to find the pins before Saturday...

If this is an ongoing issue, I'm sure somebody on here has a metal detector.


:evilgrin:666:evilgrin:

I heartily second that!! :jumpspin:

[Ode]

I've seen run down neighborhoods in the Hilltop area of Tacoma look better than the Fort Steilacoom course.

My first shock was the amount of litter throughout the course... I asked my friends why there were no trash cans.

It's hard to distinguish one lane from another, baskets missing, benches busted up and or missing, signs vandalized, painted on or missing.


"lost and found"



~Garrett

As a Steili local, your post really made me angry. I know you probably dont care, but i'd like to address some of what you brought up.

Fort Steilacoom is an amazing disc golf course. possibly because you have not played else-where you dont have an appreciation of what you have, but it is amazing. While it may need some improvements, it remains one of the best washington has to offer. Where else can two 18 hole courses be played without ever crossing eachother so events can have the number of spots needed as the sport grows.

Trash is a huge problem, but trash cans WILL NOT solve it. If we put in trash cans, would you go and empty them when they fill up every 2 days? once they are full, people just throw the trash on the ground near the cans. Kids from the neighboring appartments love to come over to the course at night for some drinks and smash their bottles on the teepads and throw their cans in the bushes, but there really isnt anything we can do about it.

Unlike some courses which are lucky to have parks department aid in maintaining the course, Steili is completely player maintained. When you see the remnants of a bench, that was hard work some golfer invested to put a bench in. When people break them, that shows that we cant have nice benches and that such work is a waste. Before the Spring Classic, the course was cleaned up really well, probably the cleanest its been in a while, but it took less than a week for the litter to build up again. And its not the regular local golfers that trash the course, its the casuals who just come out because its a place to drink and hang out.

The layout problems are somewhat being addressed, and changes will be implemented soonly after the FSO (whether or not i agree with said changes).

I view the lost and found as a priviledge. You say that Mark was elitist, but i think you expect too much. The lost and found person should not be responsible for your plastic, remembering if yours was in there, or to call your number. As much as a hundred discs are put in the slot every month, and there is no way one person should be responsible for getting you back your plastic. The burden lies on you. I try to call the numbers on discs before i turn them in and tell the person that its in the lost and found, but im not obligated to. Mark is a golfer, its not his job to maintain the lost disc pile, he's doing it as a favor to the rest of us. When the plexiglass covering the lost and found slot was broken and not repaired for quite a while, i didnt get a single lost disc returned to me. Im thankful that there is even the drop box so there is a chance that a trustworthy golfer will return my plastic.

perhaps with time you will gain some perspective on the fort steilacoom disc golf course, but your comments are narrowsighted and it angers me to think that this is what people are reading about the course i love. I look on the course review websites and i see people bashing steili, i see its not even in the top ten in washington and i blame things like your post and people who come and play the course by themselves once and get lost and decide to post about it on the web. The course isnt perfect and we are always working to improve it, but your comments are unwarranted.

The course is looking great for the FSO and i hope alot of you make it out to play and support the club, Jason and disc golf in washington

[olydiscgolf]

Disc Golf is a DIY kind of sport. If you want to see something happen....DO IT YOURSELF! It takes a leader to step up and show the masses what to do. ONLY by individual people stepping up and doing what needs to be done, will the masses follow! Maybe we could spend a little more time on the course with a trash bag and a mower than sitting at a computer complaining about how bad OUR course is!

Oh yea, kudos to Rob Dean, he understands this logic!

[Garrett]

As a Steili local, your post really made me angry. I know you probably dont care, but i'd like to address some of what you brought up.

If I didn't care, I would not have even posted about this.

Fort Steilacoom is an amazing disc golf course. possibly because you have not played else-where you dont have an appreciation of what you have, but it is amazing. While it may need some improvements, it remains one of the best washington has to offer. Where else can two 18 hole courses be played without ever crossing eachother so events can have the number of spots needed as the sport grows.

If you read what I had posted, you will note that I did ask if this was what it was suppose to be, or if this was common or not.

Trash is a huge problem, but trash cans WILL NOT solve it. If we put in trash cans, would you go and empty them when they fill up every 2 days? once they are full, people just throw the trash on the ground near the cans. Kids from the neighboring appartments love to come over to the course at night for some drinks and smash their bottles on the teepads and throw their cans in the bushes, but there really isnt anything we can do about it.

I half expected that some trash is not from the players who use the course, but by far, most of it is. And I heard about what happened to the trash cans.

Unlike some courses which are lucky to have parks department aid in maintaining the course, Steili is completely player maintained. When you see the remnants of a bench, that was hard work some golfer invested to put a bench in. When people break them, that shows that we cant have nice benches and that such work is a waste. Before the Spring Classic, the course was cleaned up really well, probably the cleanest its been in a while, but it took less than a week for the litter to build up again. And its not the regular local golfers that trash the course, its the casuals who just come out because its a place to drink and hang out.

I disagree there. Sit and watch for an hour or less. Watch the players as they go by with the junk food and drinks, watch as they just toss it aside when they're done.

But regardless of who's to blame, it was really looking bad out there. But since then it was cleaned up and mowed and the place looked wonderful after that.

I view the lost and found as a priviledge. You say that Mark was elitist, but i think you expect too much.

Yes, his attitude to the person who was talking to him was that of an elitist, he talked down to the player. Maybe you find that acceptable, but I do not. What I do expect is people in such a position to treat other people with some respect.


The lost and found person should not be responsible for your plastic, remembering if yours was in there, or to call your number.

Then what is the point of the lost and found person if his/she is not going to be responsible for anything at all. That's a waste of time and utterly useless.

Especially since the lost and found person won't call you at all unless you are a member of the local club, and goes on to say that you are not allowed to leave a message when calling for your disc and is rarely ever seen at the course for people to get their lost disc back. Currently, the lost and found is only for the local club members only, as they are the only people who will actually get their lost disc back. Everyone else is just out of luck, or being extorted into becoming a member so when you do lose a disc, you actually get it back.


As much as a hundred discs are put in the slot every month, and there is no way one person should be responsible for getting you back your plastic. The burden lies on you. I try to call the numbers on discs before i turn them in and tell the person that its in the lost and found, but im not obligated to.

Again you point out that the burden is on someone else, but yet, the person who handles the lost discs has no responsibility at all? I don't understand how that works. If that person is to have no responsibility at all, then why are they even bothering with the lost disc at all. Pass it on to someone else who's actually willing to show some responsibility.

Mark is a golfer, its not his job to maintain the lost disc pile, he's doing it as a favor to the rest of us. When the plexiglass covering the lost and found slot was broken and not repaired for quite a while, i didnt get a single lost disc returned to me. Im thankful that there is even the drop box so there is a chance that a trustworthy golfer will return my plastic.

If it's not Mark's job to do this, then maybe someone else should be found that isn't an elitist and will actually have some respect for this situation and some responsibility.

I'm not glad for the drop box at all.. If I lose a disc and it gets put in there, I'll never get it back and it will be sold within 30 days.

In fact, I refuse to ever put a found disc in that box. I've been calling the owners of the lost disc myself and either meeting up with them or having them drop by my house to get their disc.

perhaps with time you will gain some perspective on the fort steilacoom disc golf course, but your comments are narrowsighted and it angers me to think that this is what people are reading about the course i love. I look on the course review websites and i see people bashing steili, i see its not even in the top ten in washington and i blame things like your post and people who come and play the course by themselves once and get lost and decide to post about it on the web. The course isnt perfect and we are always working to improve it, but your comments are unwarranted.

You can blame whomever you want, but if you do, maybe you should open your closed eyes first and actually look at things. You speak of me being narrow sighted, but yet, I was new to the course and people like you are the one's who gave me this perspective in the first place. Don't blame me, blame yourselves. You're angry, well instead of being angry and playing some blaming game, how about be part of the solution instead? You can point fingers everywhere all you want, but that will do nothing at all. The only thing you should be angry about is your lack of understanding of how you and others are seen by potential new players to that course and possibly not doing anything to change the perspective that myself and others are seeing there. I wonder how many people didn't come back to play there after experiencing such attitudes as yours and Mark's at the course...

At least I'm doing something about it myself. Hell, I was going to do a clean up party there, even a one man party if need be. Did you offer to help me out with that when I posted about it? No, you sure didn't, instead you'd rather blame people like me for the problems.

I'd even take on the *Responsibility* of the lost and found if I could. But currently I am not capable of doing so *Responsibly*. You see, it is a *Responsibility* taking on such a thing.

If you're part of the Tacoma club, that's one more reason that I wish to distance myself from that club. You're attitude towards this was really bad.

You want to change Fort Steilacoom's image? Then stop blaming people, stop being angry about it and do something about it... I want to change it, so I'm doing what I can about it.

I saw a guy who plays there who does care. He wear's a shirt that says "Pack it in, pack it out!" and he even says that to people he sees with stuff that might become trash on the course. I admire him and see him do this every time he's there. In fact, I took to this and started doing it also. The last time I saw someone throw some trash down, I asked them to not do that and even offered to take the trash for them and put it in my bag until I got to the dumpster. Now if this guy who wears that shirt is part of your club, then he's a good representation of the club, if he's not, I wonder why he's not.

You're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. I choose to be part of the solution. It's up to you whether you're one or the other.

The next time I setup a cleaning party, feel free to join me. If I grab my hammer and say "Let's go fix some benches", you grab the nails and join me there and we'll fix some benches together.

[Tim]

He wear's a shit that says "Pack it in, pack it out!"

I know that was a lot of heartfelt typing, and typos are inevitable with that kind of volume, but I thought that one was particularly funny.

As a side note though, I think those shirts are actually from the club.

[Garrett]

I know that was a lot of heartfelt typing, and typos are inevitable with that kind of volume, but I thought that one was particularly funny.

As a side note though, I think those shirts are actually from the club.

They could very well be and it's a great idea too. I just wish everyone who played there thought like that. That would make the course that much better.

And typo corrected.. LOL, I didn't even notice that either, and I even proof read that whole thing several times... Epic Phail on my part :-(

[olydiscgolf]

"They could very well be and it's a great idea too. I just wish everyone who played there thought like that. That would make the course that much better." Garrett

DING DING DING!!! Your Right! But, your also living in a fantasy world.


The reallity is... not everybody who plays there does their part to make it better, or even just not make it worse. 1% of the people doing 99% of the work. This is a huge park to maintain. I couldn't even guess the number of users this park has on a given day. There is no help from the parks or the city. There are parks a fraction of Stielly's size that have full time staff mowing and removing garbage. The club officers have live's, famillies, jobs, and they try to find a little time to play golf. They need HELP! Not Criticism! If you want to help, you can adopt a hole, you can organize work parties. You can go to club meetings and offer your abilities, either muscle, money, or brains.Or you can sit on a computer and complain!

Good job on contacting people about lost plastic, more people that took on that role would mean much more plastic returned. If you would like a phone call from the club...JOIN THE CLUB! I have been playing golf long enough to know if I get a lost disc back, its a gift, not the norm! If you are lucky enough for the club to get your plastic, YOU do the leg work to get it back, or write off the $10 and buy a new one, and support the club that way!

If your looking for accolades and applause everytime you pound a nail in a bench or pick up a beer can, its not going to happen! You do it for yourself, because you can't not do it! The best you can hope for is that if you do it enough, maybe somebody will notice and follow suit.

Obviousely you must care if you have taken the time to write about it, now act on your passion! Good Luck and I hope to see your name on a tee sign!

[Ode]

While my post may have come off worse than i had intended, i stand by my opinion. Alot of the trash is from "players" but not the old, serious golfer, locals who care about the course.

the lost and found isnt only for club members. any name on the back of a disc turned in it put on the list in the kiosk. You may only get a call if your club number is on the back, but that is an incentive to join the club. We now have to pay thousands of dollars a year for insurance for the course and we must make that money, ontop of money for gas for mowers and other improvements, and along with weeklies and tournaments alot of that money is from club memberships.

ive spent some hours behind a push-mower already and hopefully will put in a few more before the FSO, but i encourage others to help out in any way they can.

im sorry you veiw the club as a bad thing, its really just the golfers who want to keep the course running, and if you have some innitiative you may be a greater help to the course once the avenues of the club are open to you. Just like your doing your part to help the course, perhaps the same is called for with the club.

sorry if you felt i was belittling you, i was only trying to inform you.

Hope to see you out there

[Garrett]

First impressions are a paramount thing in this world and can make or break something. As you can see, my initial impression of the club was horrible, which left me with no desire at all to join the club. This is counter productive to the club and it's intent to promote disc golf and maintain the course. I'm a 40 something who's been down the river and back so many times it'll make most people get dizzy. If I was scared off from the club, how do you think younger less experienced and traveled players would react to such a first impression of the club? I also wonder how many potential members have eluded the club now due to this sort of encounter.

Anyway, my initial post regarding this was food for thought, giving a possible reason for the lack of events in this state.

If the Tacoma club considers some of what has been said here, maybe something in that club can be done to change the impression being given off by the club. Then maybe people like me who are willing to put in not only some money, but some of their own time to help out would be less reluctant to consider joining the club.

[olydiscgolf]

I would encourage you to join the club and take on an active role. You don't have to be an experienced golfer to help organize a club, and organization is exactly what it needs. Maybe as an older person with "many trips down the river" your life experience could be used. There is a lot of members who are willing and able to take on active roles and help out, but there isn't somebody to recognize their talents and point them in the right direction. The club needs to become more formal and not so much of a clique. Outside influence may be the answer.

It is not my intention to bad mouth the club, I am a member and do attend meetings when I know of them, but I think change is necessary. A course that gets that many people playing it should be able to get more than 10 people to show up for a meeting.

[ChUcK]

First impressions are a paramount thing in this world and can make or break something.

Not trying to be a dick, but what about the club's first impression of you?

Garrett, your care and concern for steilly is obvious, and from an outsider's perspective (with no knowledge of you or the club except for what's been posted here) I'd vote for you if you ran for a leadership position within the club. I think there's a lot about WA disc golf that needs new blood and fresh ideas, not to mention non-burnt-out motivation. You're not going to beat 'em, but I bet you could join 'em and change 'em.

[AchimbaProphet]

This has been a very informative thread for me. I think that many people who have placed discs in the lost in found in good faith would reconsider if they knew the reality of what happened to them afterwards. Personally, I will never walk away from a disc at any course unless I accept the fact that it is gone for good and will not be returned.

Course maintenance will always be an issue for public parks. As far as I know there are no dedicated public disc golf courses in the region. Most if not all public course are placed in multi-use parks. Non disc golfers will be present and generally speaking I think that these park users are more likely to generate trash. There is a reason why ball golf courses cost the amount of money that they do. One part of that price is the cost of maintenance. I wish that some disc golfer millionaire would open up a private pay-to-play course in the area that was maintained full time in the same way that ball golf courses are. Some day...

[Garrett]

I'd vote for you if you ran for a leadership position within the club. I think there's a lot about WA disc golf that needs new blood and fresh ideas, not to mention non-burnt-out motivation. You're not going to beat 'em, but I bet you could join 'em and change 'em.

I appreciate the vote of confidence and the suggestion. Maybe after I get to know disc golf a bit more, the course and actually meet some other members of the club.