'Mugging' at Sea Tac

[The Ombudsman]

Last Sunday at around noon, Brent Smith was playing hole 11 when 3 young thugs on motorbikes began to harass him. One of them tried to get his disc out of the 11th basket but he fended the youth off. After he teed off on 12 there were words between them and then one of the thugs managed to grab Brent's bag of discs. Brent chased after him but only managed to pull his quad muscle.
The kid is described as a black youth, about 16 years old 6' tall wearing horned rimmed glasses. He was riding one of those ridiculous little motorcycles that only monkeys in the circus should be riding. The bike was hand painted blue.
Brent was alone, and does not carry a cell phone.

[Dr. Zaius]

that's bullsh*t! the seatac area is pretty sketchy though. sh*t like that happens nearly everywhere at random times and locations. hope brent's alright. :(

[TYVEK]

that's bullsh*t! :(


I TOTALLY AGREE!!! i hope that got reported to the police. that park needs more involvment from the city in alot of ways and that is a big one right there. the comunity cant let that park be taken over by thugs and wannabee gansters.

[LJ Jubner]

I would like to suggest that if anyone hears a small engine running throught the park call the cops. They are illegal for use in the park. These hoodlims probubly stole the " hand painted scooter" Keep your bags close to you and don't get rolled for a disc It's really not worth it.

[Bullseye]

Honest :cop: officer, I only carry this machete to help clear blackberries. :evilgrin:

[LJ Jubner]

Jeff I carry the new firebird machette from innova at 25' it's pretty effective

[snap7times]

Gosh that sucks, well, aside from the mugging, one thing we can all learn from this is a proper warm up and stretching before playing goes a longg ways - more than we can ever know, so if in the event of an emergency, our body cooperates.
I had a similar situation like this out at Rocklin about a month and a half ago. Me and a buddy unleash a couple long drives on hole #14, my disc gets caught in the tree wayy down. My buddy throws his 2nd shot and is 30 feet from the basket. However, there were 3 guys already on the hole, but like 100 feet off to the right of the dirt path and were taking forever down in the trees, prob smoking up or something stupid so we played through. While we were getting my disc out, the 3 guys finished out the hole and went to hole 15 tee. We went up to finish out 14 as well and my buddy's disc is missing, my buddy is like 6 foot 215 pounds and immediately takes off after the 3 guys who dont seem to be interested in playing disc golf anymore and are acting suspicious like they are handing something to eachother. The 3 guys have no where to run after my buddy is screaming with his deaf voice that booms across the entire course and grabs at least another 5-10 DG'ers attention. He confronted them and he ordered them to open their bags up and sure enough his disc is sitting right there, he grabs it and the guys gave him shix for it, and he was like you really wanna mess with me and they just took off flashing stupid stuff to cover their fear for being busted so easily. The stupid part was trying to rip off a disc less than 100 feet from us in plain sight.
Sad that we need to start thinking about not disc golfing alone to protect ourselves more and more or choose a course that is not empty.

[Ken Smith]

I'm so sorry that happened to Brent. That just gets me depressed. I think the Sea-Tac "club" or a group of DGers should consider approaching the city as a united front to express the concern. What if this was another scenario: they were to take a woman's purse while she was walking a dog, with her 2 year-old daughter. Would they react more strongly to that? Again, very sorry to hear about this stuff!

[George]

They should make a special disc with razer blades for punks like that. What a way to ruin your relaxing day.

[captain jack]

I was there last Sunday. I played 36 holes.

There just wasnt alot of people out playing that day, the course was pretty much empty.

I saw the idiots on thier minibikes a couple of times, but they never got in my way, or even gave me a second look.
There was a few of them, maybe four or five.
I wasnt sure about the legality of scooters in the park, but now that I know, I will try to make a point of correcting the situation.

I'm sorry to hear about Brent. We gotta get him some new discs, hes gonna need a nice beat in Pro Destroyer for sure.

Its kinda funny though, there was people coming and going from the maintenance yard on Sunday, they must have heard the minibikes too, I wonder why they didnt call the cops ?

[snap7times]

Anything with a motor is not allowed in public parks past the parking lot...
People in general are getting lazier about calling the cops on certain things. It's up to us to take up the task.
In my expirence, the majority of mainteance workers in parks are not of the majority culture and mind their own business as much as possible and dont really care for the parks as much as the users do, like us... I've had my issues with them at certain parks before...
As for Brent, time to get armed and dangerous! yes...

Wish this happened to someone with karate skills like Dion or something, hiah, kowwweah, swoosehah... *3 "tough" teenagers squirming in pain on the ground thinking WTH did they just try to do*

[tedanner0326]

this is why i play lakewood at 9 in the morning when the hoods are still nursing their hangovers and passed out from a night of heroin and pills

[Bigpipes]

I was out at Seatac yesterday braving the heat and spotted a dude that met the description of one of the guys that mugged Brent. African American kid, about 6', heavier set...about 200-220lbs I'd guess, with glasses riding a blue minibike through the park. Tried to get a photo on my cell but missed him. Everyone keep on the lookout. I'd love to see these guys get caught!

[Ken Smith]

If this dumb turd is a tweaker, he'll be making some mistakes in this heat. Our former neighbor's grandson (meth boy) is in prison again after more stolen cars, and his brother (who has a restraining order I believe) actually was walking into their neighbor's open garage and was caught. Be careful ... people are really squirelly out there in this heat. Ken

[Brian]

*cocks his gun*

Don't worry, I am ready :)

[sillybizz]

Seatac and Lakewood are the only courses I have played where I felt the need to take my pistol out of the safe and carry it with me while playing there. I agree with what someone said earlier we need to call the police when we see illegal activites such as this going on while playing.

[erp]

I used to live half time in Tacoma and gave up on Seatac because it was so sketchy, and there was NOONE out there mid-week evenings.

The bulk of the people I saw were not disc golfers, and the roar of overhead planes is sufficient to cover any yelling you can muster will be drowned out every 5 minutes or so.

Like Pier in Portland, I believe more golfers will have a great effect making the park less dangerous to all users once there's sufficient traffic.

However, since I didn't have a concealed carry permit and a .50 Kimber I took it to Lake Fenwick - also remote, but fewer sketchy people and I met cool folks nearly every round. Kinda miss it.

I'd still make the trip up to do Fenwick/Seatac and Lakewood, but I'd make sure someone in the group had a concealed carry permit for Seatac!

I'm no gun nut, but hey, if it comes down to me and my ability to chase frisbees like a Labrador in peace, and some tweaker's next thrill, well, I guess I've made my position pretty clear...I welcome back Darwin in the case of the Meth addict.

[Ol' Bob]

The wheels of justice and evolution both grind too slowly.

[sillybizz]

I used to live half time in Tacoma and gave up on Seatac because it was so sketchy, and there was NOONE out there mid-week evenings.

The bulk of the people I saw were not disc golfers, and the roar of overhead planes is sufficient to cover any yelling you can muster will be drowned out every 5 minutes or so.

Like Pier in Portland, I believe more golfers will have a great effect making the park less dangerous to all users once there's sufficient traffic.

However, since I didn't have a concealed carry permit and a .50 Kimber I took it to Lake Fenwick - also remote, but fewer sketchy people and I met cool folks nearly every round. Kinda miss it.

I'd still make the trip up to do Fenwick/Seatac and Lakewood, but I'd make sure someone in the group had a concealed carry permit for Seatac!

I'm no gun nut, but hey, if it comes down to me and my ability to chase frisbees like a Labrador in peace, and some tweaker's next thrill, well, I guess I've made my position pretty clear...I welcome back Darwin in the case of the Meth addict.

I have a carry permit and I carry my .25 caliber Beretta and backup magazines with me almost anytime I go out but most of the time if I am playing a neighborhood course or anytime going to a state that does not honor our permits then I don't carry it. I refuse to play Seatac without my gun or without others around as well. I don't play Seatac much because of all of the problems there, and the fact it's too far from my house.

By the way last time I checked Kimber doesn't make a .50 caliber, largest is a .45 ACP

[erp]

Yeah - don't pay much attention to guns anymore - down to a O3-A3 and a .38 S&W revolver that is actually at my parent's place in Minnesota.

I tend to just avoid places where I need one...to be honest, if you said Kimber only makes baby strollers these days I wouldn't have but google to learn any different...

I have a carry permit and I carry my .25 caliber Beretta and backup magazines with me almost anytime I go out but most of the time if I am playing a neighborhood course or anytime going to a state that does not honor our permits then I don't carry it. I refuse to play Seatac without my gun or without others around as well. I don't play Seatac much because of all of the problems there, and the fact it's too far from my house.

By the way last time I checked Kimber doesn't make a .50 caliber, largest is a .45 ACP

[Toby Puttzinski]

Guess I haven't played Seatac in a bit, but I have never had any problems there or at Lakewood that would require carrying a gun... I run into Grandma walking her dog more than the notorious mini bike gangs of the southside. What are we going to do-- pull out a gun to keep a teenager from stealing a disc? It's not like people are getting attacked, raped, robbed, or intimidated regularly... this was a very isolated incident-- no need for kevlar bags by Gorilla Boy!!

[sillybizz]

There was no need for a gun this time Toby but the point is it is a bad enough area of town that something could happen that might require one some day. I hope I never have to be in that situation and to make a decision like that but I am prepared to do so. I have had many issues at Seatac in the handful of times I have played there with drunk homeless people making fires right next to the basket to feeling uncomfortable with another person in the park to seeing two people in the bushes making what looks like a drug deal.

[captain jack]

I play Seatac almost every week, and have never had any problems there.
Homeless people making campfires ?
Drug deals in the bushes ?
I must have missed those golden moments.

That black kid with glasses on the mini bike is funny looking, he's way too tall to be riding it, he looks like a Shriner on one of those teenie tiny motorbikes they ride in parades.
At least one of the notorious gangsters lives right across from the park, by the 10th hole.

If I want to get scared of the other people in the parking area, and start doing a Paul Kersey style cleanup, I just go to Lake Fenwick.

[Tim]

I gotta agree with Toby and Captain Jack here, I've never felt threatened at SeaTac. A group of us did get to witness a sketchy looking woman making some kind of pick up on hole 17 one day, but she was actually aware of us playing golf and waited for us to take our drives before doing her tweaker strut across the fairway to pick up the stash.

At Lakewood, I've seen some gang members (or at least wannabes) skulking around mad dogging everyone, which is a little creepy, but I haven't seen them mess with golfers at all.

[DMajor]

I have played seatac 10 times in the last couple weeks mostly by myself and have never been worried about or had to deal with a situation having to deal with anything other than a very hard golf course. I've come across a few homeless beds and some kids smoking weed in the trees but I always say hello and have never gotten anything but a positive response from anyone out there. I do keep my bag closer to me these days after reading that story and considering there is usually no one out there at all it's good to be careful.
I've never had any problem at Lakewood either but I was a little scared one day when I was walking up to hole 13 at lakewood and there were four 25-30 yr old heavy set all dressed in blue and heavily gang tatted mexicans sitting on the bench and smoking weed. As I got closer to them I realized they had discs with them so I asked them if I could play through and one of them was like sure and the other three were staring me down like they wanted to stab me. I ended up throwing a perfectly straight buzz that skidded right up to the basket and all four of the guys were like OH SHIT!!! and cheering and laughing. I talked to them just for a minute about disc golf and then went on my way. Later when I was walking by fourteen on my way to seventeen I saw one of them drop a forty footer and he was staring me down like that's right bitch. It was pretty funny. We should give these kids with just a little interest and some time on their hands some discs whenever possible as it just might keep them out of trouble for a little bit.

[Sam]

Wow... another reason to not go to SeaTac... golfers with guns. GREEEAAAAT! :rolleyes2:

[sillybizz]

Wow... another reason to not go to SeaTac... golfers with guns. GREEEAAAAT! :rolleyes2:

I think it's funny how someone with a permit to carry a pistol, which is legal, is more insulting/less accepted then people drinking and smoking weed in the park which is illegal.

[Scott]

I think it's funny how someone with a permit to carry a pistol, which is legal, is more insulting/less accepted then people drinking and smoking weed in the park which is illegal.

I think it has more to do with violence breeding more violence.

[Sam]

I think it's funny how someone with a permit to carry a pistol, which is legal, is more insulting/less accepted then people drinking and smoking weed in the park which is illegal.

Yeah... and the next time someone gets killed by a joint or a beer, you might have approached the realm of logic. As of now, however, you sound like the Republican that you are.

[sillybizz]

I think it has more to do with violence breeding more violence.

I have had my license for many years now and I have never even been in a fist fight in my entire life, I have never taken my gun out in anger and I have never shot anything besides paper and dirt. The difference is Scott that I have a means of protecting myself, not to start anything with anyone else or rob a bank, etc. so your violence breeds violence saying doesn't work for citizens like me that follow the law and only have guns for a way to protect ourselves from someone that would want to hurt us or our families.

[sillybizz]

Yeah... and the next time someone gets killed by a joint or a beer, you might have approached the realm of logic. As of now, however, you sound like the Republican that you are.

20,000 people every year die from alcohol related car crashes there Sam, and countless more than that die from liver failure due to chronic alcohol abuse. 10,000 people die every year from gun related shootings, I am not sure how many are from illegal or legal guns. Next time you see someone getting wasted and smoking weed playing disc golf and then go and drive thier car home think about that, it could be one of your friends or family that die because of that person.

[Sam]

It's crazy that this country - which allows any yokel to own a gun - has such problems with violence whereas other countries that don't allow ANYONE to own a gun have almost no problems with violence. CRAZY, I tell you.

They should all be confiscated and melted down into plowshares. Hey... it's almost biblical.

[Sam]

20,000 people every year die from alcohol related car crashes there Sam, and countless more than that die from liver failure due to chronic alcohol abuse. 10,000 people die every year from gun related shootings, I am not sure how many are from illegal or legal guns. Next time you see someone getting wasted and smoking weed playing disc golf and then go and drive thier car home think about that, it could be one of your friends or family that die because of that person.

Yes, yes... I have heard the NRA gobbeldy-gook on this subject and find it all very unconvincing.

But excellent use of the emotion-laden argument. Did you hear that on Faux News or something? Maybe it could be YOUR BABY! YOUR BABY! YOUR BABY! :puke:

Here... let me try...

With a gun in your house, there is a chance that one of your children will find it and kill someone else or themself. YOUR CHILD! YOUR CHILD! YOUR CHILD!

Without a gun in your house, there is absolutely zero chance of this happening. Think about that the next time you uh... fondle your piece.

[sillybizz]

Yes, yes... I have heard the NRA gobbeldy-gook on this subject and find it all very unconvincing.

But excellent use of the emotion-laden argument. Did you hear that on Faux News or something? Maybe it could be YOUR BABY! YOUR BABY! YOUR BABY! :puke:

Here... let me try...

With a gun in your house, there is a chance that one of your children will find it and kill someone else or themself. YOUR CHILD! YOUR CHILD! YOUR CHILD!

Without a gun in your house, there is absolutely zero chance of this happening. Think about that the next time you uh... fondle your piece.

I don't trust any news program as you can't trust journalist period no matter where they work, they used to work for the people but that was many years ago before all of our time. I looked it up on my own thank you very much. I am not a nut Sam, I am a pretty rational person, I believe that guns get into the hands of people that shouldn't have them waaaaaaay too often, on most social issues I have liberal views. Republicans say less government, less government, the government should stay out of peoples hair etc. but when it comes to stem cell research or weed or gay marriage all of a sudden big government is the way to go and they want to run your life, they don't have that right IMO. I have always had a more Libertarian view on those style of issues and I think the religious right are a bunch of idiots and the Bush years were horrible (I voted for Gore, then in 2004 I didn't vote because both candidates to me were idiots) so please don't see me as your regular run of the mill Republican spouting the most popular answers and on the issue of guns I again take the more Libertarian approach. There is already a great system put into place for checking the backgroud of people wanting to purchase a firearm and there needs to be more done but please don't limit my right and the rights of people that have proven them self resonsible enough to own and operate a firearm.

OK I think I am done, although I probably forgot something, oh well...

[sillybizz]

Oh I guess my point is that people cry about gun related deaths and it's a major political argument but drunk driving is somehow not as important and to me they both have serious issues and both can and should be prevented.

By the way Sam no hard feelings and I would love to play a round or two with you sometime if I ever come down your way. I would leave the gun at home of course. :shooting: jk. :)

[Sam]

Oh I guess my point is that people cry about gun related deaths and it's a major political argument but drunk driving is somehow not as important and to me they both have serious issues and both can and should be prevented.

And both should be. Using one to justify the other, however, is not helpful to the actual guts of the argument. Red Herring is what we call that.

By the way Sam no hard feelings and I would love to play a round or two with you sometime if I ever come down your way. I would leave the gun at home of course. :shooting: jk. :)

As long as the gun is really at home, any time. :)

[sillybizz]

As long as the gun is really at home, any time. :)

Of course, I would never want to put someone in a situation where they feel uncomfortable, I understand the hesitation to be around someone who is carrying a gun, besides I can't take it to Oregon anyway, that's illegal. Not that I need to, it's not Seatac! 99% of the time playing disc golf it is left at home.

[Sam]

Heh... we have courses here that make SeaTac look like Augusta. Rockwood comes to mind.

[sillybizz]

Heh... we have courses here that make SeaTac look like Augusta. Rockwood comes to mind.

Its ok Sam I will protect you!

[Sam]

No thanks. I saw a guy bring a knife to a knife fight at Rockwood and he was chased away by a short guy holding nothing but a Pro-Line Monster. I have one of those so I am protected, already. :laughing:

[sillybizz]

No thanks. I saw a guy bring a knife to a knife fight at Rockwood and he was chased away by a short guy holding nothing but a Pro-Line Monster. I have one of those so I am protected, already. :laughing:

I would have brought out my Boss, no one messes with the Boss (not just Springsteen either)

I would probably get some Champ plastic out, even a knife doesn't penetrate that stuff! :)

[Toby Puttzinski]

It is NOT that bad that you need a gun to protect yourself out at Seatac.

Real Danger vs. Perceived Threat...

Was your life really in jeopardy, silly, when you approached the homeless guy sitting by a campfire on the green? This just in... homeless people don't carry guns.

Carry your gun if you want to, but don't try to tell me that it's dangerous out there--
PUHH-LEAZE... the only thing that is going to cut you is the blackberry bushes, when you're looking for that forth shot of yours...

[sillybizz]

It is NOT that bad that you need a gun to protect yourself out at Seatac.

Real Danger vs. Perceived Threat...

Was your life really in jeopardy, silly, when you approached the homeless guy sitting by a campfire on the green? This just in... homeless people don't carry guns.

Carry your gun if you want to, but don't try to tell me that it's dangerous out there--
PUHH-LEAZE... the only thing that is going to cut you is the blackberry bushes, when you're looking for that forth shot of yours...

That's not the point Toby, the point is you never know when you are going to need it, they just as easily could have had a knife or a gun on them and this poor fellow who had his discs stolen could have been in much worse trouble then replacing a few stolen discs. I have no idea if homeless people have guns or not and niether do you because when I walk into a grocery store with a gun on no one knows that I have a gun either. I'm not saying everyone who plays Seatac needs to bring a gun, there are other ways of making yourself less of a target like playing in groups and having cellphones with you which Brent did not have. I am not willing to run the risk of losing my life when I can prevent an attack when it occurs.

[captain jack]

:laughing:

You're an idiot.

I can see the defense trial play out now.

[Judge]
"So you shot a minor ? " (which those minbike riders are.)
[You]
"Yes your honor"
[Judge]
"Because you felt your life was threatened ?"
[You]
"Yes your honor, he touched my Roc."

Please leave the gangster gat at home before you hurt someone, like one of us. If you need somewhere to blast away at targets, I can get you into the police range in Tukwilla, maybe 10 minutes from the course.

[LJ Jubner]

Ok Ok already This thread is about SeaTac not about the social issue of gun control.

Lets face it the hoodlums wanted what was in the Bag not to hurt the player just steal his stuff. (wink wink nudge nudge say no more). Yes they sized him up. I just thank god they did not get the a fore mentioned gun

In a previous post about the player at Lakewood/hoodlums, you have a good point we should try and get them interested in our sport. it might be to late for the current crop but the 3rd -5th graders are still uncommitted. So try volunteering at your local grade school, Boys and Girls clubs (sorry sam but) scouts with a DG Demonstration/Clinic. I personally would like this thread to be moved to the Contr. thread so the civil right discussion can continue.

Personally You all know how much time I spend at the Tac and I have never ever once felt at risk there. Most all of us have cells and I am pretty sure 911 calls don't count against your minutes.

Sam anytime at the Tac, You and me Mono o mono Yes I am spotting you almost 100 ratings points but


Tim we need a neutral third party, interested?

[Brian]

I don't want to get into the argument about Guns, but I will say one universal truth. When you take away guns from the law abiding citizens, then only law abiding citizens will be without guns. Criminals will never give up their guns so the argument is moot. Carrying a gun to a golf course, which I do from time to time when playing night golf, is only a way to protect oneself in he event of a real threat. The mini-bikers stealing my bag would not have gotten shot. I also wouldn't have walked more than a foot away from my bag if I knew they were around. However, if I was chasing after them and caught up to one and knocked him off his crappy little bike and then they all surrounded me and tried to pummel me for hurting one of their comrades, i would have shot the lot of them. if they were big enough to do me harm and they have the intent to do so, then they are big enough to reap the rewards of their decisions. I have zero problem shooting gang banger wanna-be types, I just hope 1 bullet does the job so they can't sue me.

[Ol' Bob]

When a gun comes out, usually no one gets shot. When a second gun comes out, very often someone gets shot.

You is takin' yo chances, assumin' you has the only gun.

[killa]

When you take away guns from the law abiding citizens, then only law abiding citizens will be without guns.

This is not a universal truth; it is a truth of the United States of America. You should check out the gun laws for some other industrialized countries, and compare those to their statistics on gun-related violence and deaths. We are a rare breed, us of the New World, with our very unique history and roots.

[sillybizz]

I don't want to get into the argument about Guns, but I will say one universal truth. When you take away guns from the law abiding citizens, then only law abiding citizens will be without guns. Criminals will never give up their guns so the argument is moot. Carrying a gun to a golf course, which I do from time to time when playing night golf, is only a way to protect oneself in he event of a real threat. The mini-bikers stealing my bag would not have gotten shot. I also wouldn't have walked more than a foot away from my bag if I knew they were around. However, if I was chasing after them and caught up to one and knocked him off his crappy little bike and then they all surrounded me and tried to pummel me for hurting one of their comrades, i would have shot the lot of them. if they were big enough to do me harm and they have the intent to do so, then they are big enough to reap the rewards of their decisions. I have zero problem shooting gang banger wanna-be types, I just hope 1 bullet does the job so they can't sue me.

Exactly, everyone here thinks I would have "capped" those guys on the bikes, not the case at all, my point was that in the future if something worse happend then I would be glad to have it. If I go and nothing happens then no harm no foul on bringing the gun but if something does happen that is worse than this case then I will be glad that I did have it and dead if I didn't have it. I knew that this sport is a very liberal sport and most people on a forum for DG would be anti-gun and I figured I would be in the minority so thank you Brian.

[sillybizz]

When a gun comes out, usually no one gets shot. When a second gun comes out, very often someone gets shot.

You is takin' yo chances, assumin' you has the only gun.

I don't assume that Bob, that is why I carry a gun because ... OTHER PEOPLE HAVE GUNS OR KNIVES AND WANT TO HURT YOU. I can't be any more clear with my posts here I guess some of you just won't get it.

[Ol' Bob]

Don't assume I'm anti-gun. I was just stating an interesting fact about the gun thing. Just having one hand in a jacket pocket can be an effective deterrent at times.

[Ken Smith]

Well, Bush/Cheney and the neo-cons did one excellent job during their two terms ... domestically divided and conquered/started and maintained an internal war of cultural ideology. Red vs. Blue, Gay vs. Straight, God Believers vs. Atheists, Gun Advocates vs. Others Who Don't Want to Take Your Guns Away and Are Not Anti-Gun But Want Better Regulations on How to Get Guns. Honestly, if I was playing with Sillybizz and we were in a heap of trouble and he pulled out his gun, I would be very grateful that he had a gun! I don't own a gun and I doubt I ever will. Sizzybizz is probably a very good citizen who would never do something stupid, and we know Sam wouldn't harm a fly. There are those folks out there that (in Arizona?) can now bring concealed guns into bars. That is a disaster waiting to happen.

[sillybizz]

Well, Bush/Cheney and the neo-cons did one excellent job during their two terms ... domestically divided and conquered/started and maintained an internal war of cultural ideology. Red vs. Blue, Gay vs. Straight, God Believers vs. Atheists, Gun Advocates vs. Others Who Don't Want to Take Your Guns Away and Are Not Anti-Gun But Want Better Regulations on How to Get Guns. Honestly, if I was playing with Sillybizz and we were in a heap of trouble and he pulled out his gun, I would be very grateful that he had a gun! I don't own a gun and I doubt I ever will. Sizzybizz is probably a very good citizen who would never do something stupid, and we know Sam wouldn't harm a fly. There are those folks out there that (in Arizona?) can now bring concealed guns into bars. That is a disaster waiting to happen.

I couldn't agree with you more Ken and not just because you are giving me compliments. :wink2: I have never drank with a gun on my person and guns in bars are a bad bad bad bad idea and I am %100 against that and am very happy it is not legal in Washington. I totally agree that more needs to be done to keep guns out of the hands of people who don't deserve them, infact when they passed the law that makes people with domestic abuse convictions inelligible to have carry permits I thought that was a great move, I am not a "gun nut" who doesn't want regulations on guns. Thank you Ken that is a perfect posting. By the way the Bush years were horrible and this is coming from a Republican.

[Brian]

I didn't like Bush either. I don't care where you ban guns .. in a bar, a school, a courtroom, a post office or a church. Criminals don't follow the rules anyhow so a ban makes no difference.

And as far as our culture being all American and that our gun ownership status in America being singular in the world is correct. The problem is we are living in a country that has guns everywhere. They aren't going away and they never will. My dad went to Beaverton High and he used ot bring his rifle for shooting class. No one ever got shot, because kids were taught common frigging sense back then. Now kids are not supposed to be told "NO" and not supposed to be disciplined in anyway besides sitting in a corner sulking and getting madder. If parents still expected their kids to obey and to subjugate their feelings for the greater good and to be a part of something larger, then we wouldn't have people who grow up thinking that everything in the world revolves around them. When kids grow up nowadays they are expected to be raised in a child centered home. This concept has failed and our results are kids that get disenfranchised when they meet all the other child centered kids who demand THEIR own way and the weaker willed child doesn't get what he wants like he is used to at home. These kids have never been taught to sacrifice, or to subjugate or, for that matter, to even care about anyone else because their parents came running everytime the child whined for a goodie. So in the real world they can't cope and they explode and boom, they shoot up a school.

Guns didn't do that, Parents did. The change in society where people no longer are held responsible for actions. There are no consequences and everyone else is to blame. There were guns more readily available in 1930's than now and you never saw a school shooting back then. You never saw a postal employee go crazy and shoot everyone up. You can blame guns if you would like, but since the 80's when they banned the sale of machine guns (machine guns made after the date in the 80's, I think it was 1984) to private citizens crime has only gone up. Since they made it almost impossible to carry a handgun in New York many decades ago, there has been no decrease in gun related crimes because criminals DON'T FREAKING CARE about the rules. Please! How do people not see that? No gun related laws will affect criminals... none. No matter how strict. The only people they punish are those who wish to protect themselves.

I hate to use a cliche', but it rings very true. When they come for my guns they will get them but they will get the bullets first. It's not about me keeping a $400 gun, it's about the fact that once that right is gone ... America is finished.

[tomw]

Good Luck with your event Jubner, & Guy. I know you and others have put a lot of work into the Seatac course over the years. Hopefully the muggie can get some new/used disc's and get back out there and play that challenging course. TW p.s. Sound like a new Jubscam needs to get started!!

[GettinBetter]

I dont want to stir up anything more on this thread but just wanted to throw some info out there.

Me and my wife were playing a Lakewood. When we got there we could hear yelling by the houses along #3's fairway, but no big deal right?

We just finished hole 1 and walking to hole 2 when two guys and one girl went to sit out on the bench for hole 3.

I took out my starfire to drive on hole 2 but pulled it a little bit sending it in the general direction of the bench on hole 3 where they were sitting I yelled fore right away very loud a couple of times while they just sat there looking at me.

When the disc landed one of the guys started going absolutly ape shit trying to come after me, during this time the other guy and his girlfriend were trying to hold him back as he is falling on the ground, jumping and doing everything thing he can to get to me.

After he realized his friends werent going to let him through he yelled "Im going inside to get my gun and shoot your ass!"

Of course after this me and my wife called 911.

Needless to say that part of town is sketchy, never had any other problems there and still continue to go to both Lakewood and Seatac unarmed, and plan to keep it that way. The less guns the better, but I can understand if people want to have one on them just be responsible.

[sillybizz]

I dont want to stir up anything more on this thread but just wanted to throw some info out there.

Me and my wife were playing a Lakewood. When we got there we could hear yelling by the houses along #3's fairway, but no big deal right?

We just finished hole 1 and walking to hole 2 when two guys and one girl went to sit out on the bench for hole 3.

I took out my starfire to drive on hole 2 but pulled it a little bit sending it in the general direction of the bench on hole 3 where they were sitting I yelled fore right away very loud a couple of times while they just sat there looking at me.

When the disc landed one of the guys started going absolutly ape shit trying to come after me, during this time the other guy and his girlfriend were trying to hold him back as he is falling on the ground, jumping and doing everything thing he can to get to me.

After he realized his friends werent going to let him through he yelled "Im going inside to get my gun and shoot your ass!"

Of course after this me and my wife called 911.

Needless to say that part of town is sketchy, never had any other problems there and still continue to go to both Lakewood and Seatac unarmed, and plan to keep it that way. The less guns the better, but I can understand if people want to have one on them just be responsible.

Glad to hear your wife and yourself are ok. Being responsible with firearms is what it is all about.

[barbikes]

I dont want to stir up anything more on this thread but just wanted to throw some info out there.

Me and my wife were playing a Lakewood. When we got there we could hear yelling by the houses along #3's fairway, but no big deal right?

We just finished hole 1 and walking to hole 2 when two guys and one girl went to sit out on the bench for hole 3.

I took out my starfire to drive on hole 2 but pulled it a little bit sending it in the general direction of the bench on hole 3 where they were sitting I yelled fore right away very loud a couple of times while they just sat there looking at me.

When the disc landed one of the guys started going absolutly ape shit trying to come after me, during this time the other guy and his girlfriend were trying to hold him back as he is falling on the ground, jumping and doing everything thing he can to get to me.

After he realized his friends werent going to let him through he yelled "Im going inside to get my gun and shoot your ass!"

Of course after this me and my wife called 911.

Needless to say that part of town is sketchy, never had any other problems there and still continue to go to both Lakewood and Seatac unarmed, and plan to keep it that way. The less guns the better, but I can understand if people want to have one on them just be responsible.

So what happened after you called 911?

[erp]

Part of me thinks guns should be mandatory in bars...marshmallow guns at least.

I think you ought to be able to putt with a marshmallow gun, assuming you have a concealed carry permit and are outside of 30 meters.

[captain jack]

I took out my starfire to drive on hole 2 but pulled it a little bit sending it in the general direction of the bench on hole 3 where they were sitting I yelled fore right away very loud a couple of times while they just sat there looking at me.



They just moved the #2 basket to the left position, closest to the entry road.
That's a tough birdie from near the #3 bench, what were you doing waaaaay up there. :eek:

[GettinBetter]

it was in right position then

[michaelgood03]

been at seatac the last couple days and have seen these kids on the motorbikes. i sure wouldn't want to mess with them. and by the time i pullout my cellphone and try to call the police, i'm sure they would take it as well.

[snap7times]

wimp, call the police on their axx, those scooters arent allowed on there anyways, if they ain't hucking plastic, get out...

[michaelgood03]

wimp, call the police on their axx, those scooters arent allowed on there anyways, if they ain't hucking plastic, get out...

lol... i definitley will call the next time i see them.