Slightly understable midrange??

[TYVEK]

Hey all,

I am looking for a midrange that is understable, but not so understable that it just turns over straight out of my hand. I am looking for a Discraft or possibly DGA disc. From what i read it seems like a meteor might fit the bill, but i wanted to get other peoples opinions.

I want a disc straight of the shelf that i can throw flat and have it go out for 200-300 ft with a slight anhyzer line to it without me having to put anhyzer on the disc any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

:cheers:

[zippyboy]

If you want Discraft, you would do well with a Meteor. The Comet might also work for you as well, but it is slightly less understable than the Meteor. When you can find one, a Buzzz SS isn't bad, either. I traded out the Meteor in my bag for the Buzzz SS. Good luck!

~Z

[Bullseye]

You clearly need a Jeff Larson Signature Breeze!

Hey all,

I am looking for a midrange that is understable, but not so understable that it just turns over straight out of my hand. I am looking for a Discraft or possibly DGA disc. From what i read it seems like a meteor might fit the bill, but i wanted to get other peoples opinions.

I want a disc straight of the shelf that i can throw flat and have it go out for 200-300 ft with a slight anhyzer line to it without me having to put anhyzer on the disc any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

:cheers:

[all2common]

You clearly need a Jeff Larson Signature Breeze!

That's what I would say...

[Sam]

Roc. Roc. Roc.

But have fun with your non-Roc. :laughing:

[Adam Schneider]

The Breeze has been discontinued, which might be a problem.


Zippy, I think the Comet might actually be more understable than the Meteor -- although it might depend on weight, plastic, etc. X-Comets are more understable than ESP or Z. The Comet has a surreal amount of glide, and it requires butter-smooth form to really make it do what it's supposed to. But either the Comet or the Meteor would be a good choice.


I'll throw in one other nomination: the Pro-D Buzzz. Sure, it'll take a little breaking-in to make it understable, but I swear to god I beat mine to flippy in a single day, simply by intentionally throwing it at a tree on each of the 18 holes at Pier Park.

[Scott]

You clearly need a Jeff Larson Signature Breeze!
I'm starting to have some success with the Larson Special. Nice disc. Not sure if I would classify it as "slightly understable". I have a pretty weak arm (RHBH) and I can flip it pretty easy.

[snap7times]

A beat up Z buzzz in the 160's will work so beautifully for those must turn late in the throw and not so early... A meteor is a close 2nd...

[Tim]

Roc. Roc. Roc.

But have fun with your non-Roc. :laughing:

hehe, true, a roc could fill that role, but it'd have to be seriously worked in. And the only person I could see willingly getting rid of one of those would be a double amputee. :biggrin2:

It's probably not as flippy as you're looking for, Orion, but I've got much love for the Impact. Quite possibly the most versatile disc in my bag. I've heard good things about the Comet and Meteor, but haven't thrown either of 'em.

[Adam Schneider]

It's probably not as flippy as you're looking for, Orion, but I've got much love for the Impact.
I was going to mention the Impact, but it's really more of a fairway driver; it probably won't flip on throws under 200'.

[Joshua Olmsted]

It might be too understable for what you're looking for but if you want something that's understable right off the shelf, you could give the stratus a try. I love the feel on the rim and it holds flipped lines very well.

I personally use a beat in Supercolor ESP Buzz for turnover approaches but it takes a fair amount of beat before it gets very flippy.

[ChUcK]

I think what Tyvek is looking for is a disc that fits his specs straight off the shelf. I'm pretty sure he's not looking for people's recommendations for a disc that needs to beat into the required flight path. I could be wrong, of course, so keep the I-love-my-10-year-old-money-disc stories a-comin'! They never get old!
:slapface:

[Bluedisc]

Go get a Glide.:wink2:

[Sam]

hehe, true, a roc could fill that role, but it'd have to be seriously worked in. And the only person I could see willingly getting rid of one of those would be a double amputee. :biggrin2:

KC Pro Rocs beat in very quickly but even if not they are still a disc that you can turn over for short distances. And, if not, throw it into a tree a lot. Worked for me pretty quickly. :laughing:

[Scott]

Go get a Glide.:wink2:

Great disc, but slightly understable? :chinscratch:

[Bluedisc]

Great disc, but slightly understable? :chinscratch:
Hey, someone else mentioned a Breeze...:whistler:

[snap7times]

Sam, honestly? A KC pro roc for a understable shot? Ontario Roc or San Marino would be more understable, a KC pro roc wont be understable for a long time, unless the person hugs trees as much as you do...

[Flash]

I just picked up a new Z-Comet to compliment my ESP version and it flys out of the box similar to what you are asking for. I was throwing it at about 70% power and it was right around 300 feet, with 20 foot of elevation. It slowly faded right on a very nice glide pattern.

I would agree that form is key with any disc that is understable. Oh yeah and mine is a see through blue work of art!

[Pizzel]

The obvious choice is a seasoned DX XD!!!

[snap7times]

:slapface::puke:

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Skee-ter! Skee-ter! Just started throwing a 168g Star Skeeter and it's a thing of beauty. Holds whatever line you put on it. I like seasoned Rocs but I'm losing them faster than I can beat them in!

[TYVEK]

Thanks to everybody that has given me input so far.

KC pro roc's are the reason that I switched from Innova to Discraft, so it stands to reason that i wont be picking up any rocs to fill this need.:biggrin2:

ChUck was right that i am looking for a disc that i dont have to break in. i have been trying to get my Z buzzz broken in enough to fly as i described in my first post, but then yesterday i got to thinking "if i lose this disc then i will have to break in a new disc and that could take some time!" i want a disc that if i lose it, i can go buy another one and dont have to worry about breaking it in so it will fly like i want it to.

i have never tried a breeze, but it sounds sort of popular. but if it is not being manufactured anymore that could be a problem in the long run.

the stratus is way to understable, i got one of these when i signed up for the PDGA.

i never even heard of a glide, i will have to check that out.

so it looks like i will have to go track down an impact, meteor, comet, and a breeze.

thanks again!

[Greg_R]

A KC pro roc for a understable shot? Ontario Roc or San Marino would be more understable,That would have been my suggestion as well: An Ontario Roc. They will turn over when new and don't need any breaking in.

200-300 ft is Putter territory for a lot of people... how far are you throwing your drives?

[Greg_R]

BTW: Breezes are no longer made.

You may also want to try an Innova Coyote.

[TYVEK]

That would have been my suggestion as well: An Ontario Roc. They will turn over when new and don't need any breaking in.

200-300 ft is Putter territory for a lot of people... how far are you throwing your drives?

I am getting my drives 350'-400' and occasionally over 400'. i dont throw my putters. my putters are for putting.






Please no more innova suggestions, i dont throw innova anymore so it doesnt help me to see what innova discs i should be throwing.

[Nathan]

the breeze seems like it might be a little more understable than what your looking for. plus you'd have to find one on ebay or somewhere and then if you lost it you would have to try and find another cuz they are discontinued. my very first thought when i read your first post was to get a comet. the Z and ESP are great right out of the box. i think that would suit you well

[ChUcK]

Unless I'm mistaken, the glide is also discontinued. I regularly throw 2 Z glides and they are more understable than what you described...and they just keep getting flippier and flippier.

[Adam Schneider]

Unless I'm mistaken, the glide is also discontinued. I regularly throw 2 Z glides and they are more understable than what you described...and they just keep getting flippier and flippier.
No, they haven't officially discontinued the Glide yet... but the Storm is now DCed.

[Sam]

For Discraft only, get a Glide. I have two Glide aces and the disc is pretty sweet. It's not a Roc, though, which is why I no longer have it in the bag.

Damn... thinking about it, I have 4 Discraft aces: 2 with the Glide and 2 with the Drone. :chinscratch:

[dan]

i dont throw my putters. my putters are for putting.
Just out of curiosity, why is that? If you can get your drives out to 400, the odds are pretty good that your most accurate throws inside at least 200 feet would be with a putter. If it's an issue off not banging up your putter, you could carry a "putting" putter and a "throwing" putter.



Please no more innova suggestions, i dont throw innova anymore so it doesnt help me to see what innova discs i should be throwing.
Again, just out of curiosity, why is that? If Innova made the disc closest to what you were looking for, why wouldn't you throw it?

[TreeLove]

No more suggestions? No more suggestions? I can't think of anything else you could have posted to prompt MORE suggestions!

"Try a really beat DX Gator!"

[Sam]

:laughing:

[gwillim]

I would vote for the Comet. The only issue with the Comet is that it's one of the more difficult discs to master, which seems quite counter-intuitive, but I believe it to be true.

[Minordiety]

Thanks to everybody that has given me input so far.

KC pro roc's are the reason that I switched from Innova to Discraft, so it stands to reason that i wont be picking up any rocs to fill this need.:biggrin2:

ChUck was right that i am looking for a disc that i dont have to break in. i have been trying to get my Z buzzz broken in enough to fly as i described in my first post, but then yesterday i got to thinking "if i lose this disc then i will have to break in a new disc and that could take some time!" i want a disc that if i lose it, i can go buy another one and dont have to worry about breaking it in so it will fly like i want it to.

i have never tried a breeze, but it sounds sort of popular. but if it is not being manufactured anymore that could be a problem in the long run.

the stratus is way to understable, i got one of these when i signed up for the PDGA.

i never even heard of a glide, i will have to check that out.

so it looks like i will have to go track down an impact, meteor, comet, and a breeze.

thanks again!

Try a lighter weight X Buzzzzzzzz. Slightly over stable with little fade at the end. A truly wonderful disc. I have one that is 166 and I could flip it immediately with no break in period.

[Joshua Olmsted]

If you like the feel of the Z Buzz I'll put forth the suggestion of supercolor ESP buzzes, I love the flat top feel and with just a little beat they get understable, but because it's a Buzz I find once I flip it to the right it just holds that line forever. It's also nice if you already throw a Z Buzz because then you can have the same mold for two different shots, I carry two 179 Z Buzzes for overstable shots and two 174 Oregon State championship ESP Buzzes for understable, I know they can be a bit expensive sometimes, but if you can find a good source I'd recommend it strongly.

[Ken Smith]

Out of the box, slightly understable. How about an Xpress or Status? Am I the only one who throws these? That'd be my suggestion.

[snap7times]

Got a full color 2009 deaf nationals of obama and abraham lincoln signing on a esp buzzz on the way heh, ordered it off springfield dg website. I already throw a 168g z buzzz for those awesome long slow turn overs, esp flx buzzz for the line you want in the woods-do anything, and cryztal buzzz for those super straight with a fade.... BUZZZZZZZ

[Adam Schneider]

Out of the box, slightly understable. How about an Xpress or Status? Am I the only one who throws these? That'd be my suggestion.
I throw both of them... but the Xpress is definitely not a midrange, and the Stratus is more than "slightly" understable.

For what it is, the Stratus is awesome; no other disc will turn right with so little effort.

[TYVEK]

Just out of curiosity, why is that? If you can get your drives out to 400, the odds are pretty good that your most accurate throws inside at least 200 feet would be with a putter. If it's an issue off not banging up your putter, you could carry a "putting" putter and a "throwing" putter.
when i have my putter in my hand, my body sort of automatically knows to start up my putting routine. thats because of repitition of putting and i dont want to introduce any other body motions than my putting routine when i have a putter in my hand. it almost sounds silly, but that is my reason for not throwing my putters.

Again, just out of curiosity, why is that? If Innova made the disc closest to what you were looking for, why wouldn't you throw it?

Oh boy, I DO NOT want to start any arguments here, (i covered this in another thread somewhere) so i will give the shortest and hopefully least "rocking the boat" answer i can. After trying some Discraft discs, I found that I liked what Discraft had to offer as a Disc manufacturer more than Innova. Since that time i have slowly converted my bag to Discraft .and for the time being i only throw Discraft. I have never had any problems with their discs, so that keeps me happy.:) if you want more details on this please send me a PM.


you know what i just realized as i am reading through the posts???!! Papa hasnt chimed in on this! I thought that he was Mr. Discraft and would have some opinions on this.

Xpress- have one of these right now and i find it more like a t-bird than a midrange.

It is very encouraging to me to see all the responses that people have given me on this! thanks for your input and it deffinately gives me some direction for discs to try out.

:cheers::rockon:

[Pizzel]

when i have my putter in my hand, my body sort of automatically knows to start up my putting routine. thats because of repitition of putting and i dont want to introduce any other body motions than my putting routine when i have a putter in my hand. it almost sounds silly, but that is my reason for not throwing my putters.
How about putting with one putter mold and throwing with another? For example, putt with a Soft Magnet and throw with a Challenger. Then your brain doesn't have to associate the throwing motion with your putter. I guarantee that learning to throw a putter will help you game.

[Ol' Bob]

Fifty percent of this game is half mental, eh?

I like my selection of FLX Buzzzes. What flips for me might flip too much for someone else. Let your experience be your adviser.

[TYVEK]

How about putting with one putter mold and throwing with another? For example, putt with a Soft Magnet and throw with a Challenger. Then your brain doesn't have to associate the throwing motion with your putter. I guarantee that learning to throw a putter will help you game.

you know, i hadnt even thought of this. that is a good idea, but i have a question. what advantage would i have with using a putter as a approach disc instead of using a midrange disc?

[Scott]

what advantage would i have with using a putter as a approach disc instead of using a midrange disc?

Control.

One piece of advice I heard that makes a lot of sense to me - Change the disc, not the throw. Use the slowest disc you have that will still reach the target. That way, you still have to throw as if you were throwing a driver and you won't have to think about body mechanics, etc..

[Ken Smith]

I throw both of them... but the Xpress is definitely not a midrange, and the Stratus is more than "slightly" understable.

For what it is, the Stratus is awesome; no other disc will turn right with so little effort.

You're right, Adam. Xpress is a driver. The stratus I love, particularly because it suits my game (fairly weak arm, the disc does the work for you, and it's great out of the box).

[papatart]

Woohoo...okay, I have been fairly busy lately and missed this thread so sorry about that. As for that turnover midrange to long mid etc, the Meteor is probably going to be the disc I would suggest checking out. It has a very comfrotable rim and is great for holding that turnover line. The Comet is really built to be that straight throw but definitely turns for me when you give it the power. It does have a more old school style rim which throws some people off, but it is a great disc.

I carry the ESP Comet as opposed to the Meteor for the fact that I use it for a slow turn at high speeds. It was also my money straight disc before the Buzzz SS. This is now the straightest disc I have ever thrown and with such a low profile rim it is ungodly easy to control. A great compliment to the Buzzz.

Oh yeah, the great thing about any of these discs is that they fly this way out of the box, no extra salt or other seasoning needed. I like it when discs do what you want them to when you buy them rather than have to wreck their flight characteristics that they are molded with to make them throw the way you want. It seems like a pretty good idea to me!

Later!
Scott Papa

[TYVEK]

i just wanted to give everybody a big thanks for your input on this and give an update.

over the weekend i tried out 5 different midrange discs, and i ended up buying a meteor. it came down to the meteor or comet and the meteor edged out the comet very slightly.

also i FINALY found a disc to replace my T-bird!! i am now switching to an XL, what a great disc!

[Iowa]

i know im a little late but a z hawk is also a good one