new tradition

[Trozzle!!!]

Us crazy Hagg people started a new tradition out there. we started a penny tree on hole 9's tee pad. you will see it when you go out there. If you wish to contribute, go ahead and do so. take a penny, carve your initials onto your first one, and everytime you go out there, add another one below it. we just melt tree sap onto it to stick it to the tree.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/05-09-09_1055.jpg

[sands.steven]

I have never been to Hagg ... I'm sure it is a beautiful course!

As cool as this idea is, I wonder how it would be recieved by other groups IE environmental activists. This very group seems to be the biggest opponent to the new courses on the table at the moment like Harmony in Milwaukie. We as a group must do our best to be stewards of the land. We would be pissed if a group of hikers tallied their visits on our pads,signs,or baskets.

Just playing the DA right now

-Steve

[Trozzle!!!]

Hagg is remote enough that not that many visit it. as far as our penny tree goes, I doubt environmentalists would have a problem with it. sure we are sticking copper pennies to a tree, but we are using natural tree sap to stick them to the tree. we are not using some kind of glue to do it.

[LegoRules]

I have never been to Hagg ... I'm sure it is a beautiful course!

As cool as this idea is, I wonder how it would be recieved by other groups IE environmental activists. This very group seems to be the biggest opponent to the new courses on the table at the moment like Harmony in Milwaukie. We as a group must do our best to be stewards of the land. We would be pissed if a group of hikers tallied their visits on our pads,signs,or baskets.

Just playing the DA right now

-Steve

I agree this is a really bad idea. No different in my opinion than the redneck chandalars at Milo. I also wonder what the Parks people think about it. One of the things I like about disc golf in being able to enjoy the natural beauty the courses are set in this kind of stuff just detracts from that.

Cindy

[Adam Schneider]

I can see both sides. On the one hand, it seems harmless, especially if you're just gluing them on with sap/pitch. On the other hand, it IS technically littering, and I think the bottle cap especially emphasizes that fact.

[Carie CPink]

Remember the outdoor school motto?

Leave no trace.

[Joshua Olmsted]

I think that if this was Orchard or even Pier, some place with a lot of foot traffic, then this might be a bad plan, but I think out at Hagg it's not as big a deal, it's not obtrusive or hurting the trees, it's not going to block shots or be a garish detriment to the course. That's just my two cents.

[Trozzle!!!]

the parks people out at Hagg are cool with us. The main people pretty much give us the go ahead to do what we want with the course as long as it is out of our pockets. Also normally they would be pissed to drive along the road and see a bag of trash there, but they know that we go out there often to pick up trash. we just drop our bags along the road and they come pick it up later.

[Darr]

Us crazy Hagg people started a new tradition out there. we started a penny tree on hole 9's tee pad. you will see it when you go out there. If you wish to contribute, go ahead and do so. take a penny, carve your initials onto your first one, and everytime you go out there, add another one below it. we just melt tree sap onto it to stick it to the tree.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/05-09-09_1055.jpg
You should make a cool sign to stick them to. The tree is a bad idea.

[bvdisc]

Yeah, I have to vote against this. On a sign is one thing but sticking them to a tree I'm not so into.

[KenGilmore]

Hey, you could cut down that tree and turn it into a sign first! Then everyone is happy!

:chinscratch:

[Bruce]

While it is a cool idea Troy, just because this course is remote doesn't mean we should treat nature any differently there. Keep the litter off the course, even if it is a harmless penny. Make a sign or whatever, do something else creative to keep track of your tradition. If I found you doing this at Milo I would beat you senseless and then ask why. Much like if I caught the fishing ling and cans people.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Sticking pennies on trees is a bad idea. I appreciate your wanting a tradition but not at the expense of nature. Maybe a donation box where you drop in pennies each time out and when you collect enough spend it on a new tee sign.

Bob

[Wes Hansen]

Bad idea.

[Chuck Kennedy]

We've embedded a new penny with the year a course was installed in the cement on a tee or anchor sometimes.

[mine all mine]

What about the well known shoe tree that used to proudly stand at Morley Field in San Diego. I see no harm in a penny tree. There will never be enough pennies on the tree to cause any harm. Hanging chandeliers on the other hand could harm branches and new growth not to mention that if they fall off they are litter. If a penny falls off the tree it is not litter but currency that you or I could find and spend! How is that a bad thing?

[Sam]

Man... does everything have to be a debate around here?

:whistler:

[snap7times]

that's what I was going to say, I'm sure the Hagg crew never thought anyone would debate this and is taken back by what has been said...

[Ol' Bob]

Stick the pennies on the side of trees where discs are likely to hit, sort of penny mail armor. God, what's the big deal? I'm a hardcore tree-hugger and it doesn't bother me. Copper is very beneficial to many plants. Does anyone think this is going to catch on to the point of deforestation?

[RebaTela]

I think a sign or bulletin would be just as effective to mark your presence at the course. I don't think that permanently modifying a piece of the natural landscape just to show that your played there is a very respectable way to "mark your territory"!! One of the major draws to disc golf is that you get the privilege to play is such lush, perfectly natural conditions that you just can't find in other sports. Let's spend more time celebrating what we can't create and preserving it, while getting to enjoy one of our favorite pastimes!
Though I understand your purpose, I think there is a much better way to achieve what you're trying to do.

[Ol' Bob]

Have you ever noticed what discs can do to tree bark? Some trees can take disc hits and some are totally disc intolerant, losing a piece of their bark for every hit (cascaras and vine maples, for example). But here's the thing, not every tree gets hit and hurt. Some do, though, and that's a trade off. Protection can be put up, but what would be approved? Is this a tempest in a teapot?

[ChUcK]

What about the well known shoe tree that used to proudly stand at Morley Field in San Diego. I see no harm...

That tree collapsed under the weight of so many shoes. Bad example.

[Jet]

Cool Idea Trozzle!

If you are familiar with the culture at Hagg then you know a sign would be cut down and used as kindling for a fire. -That is what happened to some benches. You think Milo has a redneck community, at Hagg people keep axes and machetes in their trucks. (You never know when you might need to start a fire or clear a path.) :laughing:

Technically how is putting in a basket, a tee box, signage, and wearing a path "leaving nature as you found it".

[Scott]

Another vote for leaving the course exactly how you found it.

I don't buy any of the justifications, either. "It's OK because the course is out of the way." No, it's not. Still vandalism.

"The parks dept is OK with whatever you we doing out there." Really? Who did you ask? Were they aware of this specific act? Did you speak with a naturalist or arborist, or did you speak to the person taking money at the front gate?

"It's not that bad." I agree, but it's no reason to do it. What may be no big deal to one person may be an eysore to the next. You might as well error on the side of caution and leave nature the way it was intended.

A little vandalism is still a lot worse than no vandalism at all.

[ChUcK]

Technically how is putting in a basket, a tee box, signage, and wearing a path "leaving nature as you found it".

It's a controlled coexistence between man and nature. Littering is not.

Trozzle, I think that the pennies aren't necessarily a bad thing, but we all have different sliding scales of acceptability for that type of thing. The pennies are a beacon to other people who see it as a go-ahead for their own "leave my mark" project, which may or may not be acceptable to you. I can imagine a host of situations that seem innocent to the doer, but pisses everybody else off.

Leaving your initials on a penny stuck to the tree? It's on the same level as the guy who spraypaints his gang's name on the freeway signs. The only difference is in the severity.

[bvdisc]

Cool Idea Trozzle!

If you are familiar with the culture at Hagg then you know a sign would be cut down and used as kindling for a fire. -That is what happened to some benches. You think Milo has a redneck community, at Hagg people keep axes and machetes in their trucks. (You never know when you might need to start a fire or clear a path.) :laughing:

Technically how is putting in a basket, a tee box, signage, and wearing a path "leaving nature as you found it".

Yeah, playing disc golf is not a 0% impact sport. Having said that, I try my best not to step on plants, break limbs, leave trash etc. Just because we have some impact doesn't give us cart blanche to have more impact.

Spray painting a tree wouldn't hurt it either but I would consider it vandalism and uncool.

[JMan]

Is a lost disc littering?
As to the penny, naw, not a lot of impact agreed, except that others might deem your tradition the go ahead to start their own, like signing baskets.

[Ol' Bob]

My post in Is This Littering?:


Tee pads and baskets:littering?

Humanity itself: littering?

I maintain a course, and cigarette butts and candy wrappers are littering. I get to say, here. Give your brothers and sisters as much slack as you would yourself. No one I know walks without bending a blade of grass. I don't see the pennies, placed orderly on that tree, as an act of unconsciousness or disrespect. What it comes down to is personal taste, and the ability to inflict ours on others. At what great or petty precipice do we decide to regulate our contemporaries' art and expression, which is of course, at the sure cost of our own?

__________________________

[Ol' Bob]

Us crazy Hagg people started a new tradition out there. we started a penny tree on hole 9's tee pad. you will see it when you go out there. If you wish to contribute, go ahead and do so. take a penny, carve your initials onto your first one, and everytime you go out there, add another one below it. we just melt tree sap onto it to stick it to the tree.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/05-09-09_1055.jpg

Just looking at this again. The quality of this act sets it apart from littering and vandalism. Firstly, the pennies have the property of value. However trivial one might think of it, at least we can all afford one. Secondly, the display is unobtrusive. Thirdly, tree sap is the glue, and how could that be injurious?

All in all, I see this as respectful expression with little to call up disparagement beyond a religious sort of intolerance, based on fear of what could be. We should be willing to use our intelligence to control what needs controlling and accept this use of the commons as something less than the thefts that go on every day and are unabated under the powers that be.

[Joshua Olmsted]

This is a good point, how might we interpret what is tasteful art and what is harmful littering, is it really fair to judge all marks on the course as in the same vain. How about the dream catcher on Pier hole 15, it's certainly not a natural part of the landscape, it could easily be called littering by some of the definitions posted here, yet most people enjoy it because it is a) cool looking (or artful to use another word) and b) unobtrusive. And I don't think anyone would say it might inspire or encourage other tree hanging exploits like the beer chandeliers. I think that scale and intent matter in judging something like this, that's why a comparison to spray painting initials on a tree is completely unfair.

[Jim J]

Copper is very beneficial to many plants.

How about zinc? Since 1982 pennies are made of zinc coated with a only thin layer of copper.

That being said, the question is when does littering become art? At Dexter people have been folding bottle caps around a barbed wire fence behind the tee of 7. When it was only a few caps it looked like litter. Now the colorful caps cover enough of the fence to make it look like a form of folk art.

Pennies on the tree, bottle caps on the fence, it seems like an essential human need to tell others that, like Kilroy, we were here.

[Carie CPink]

Why is it that golfers are compelled to let others know that they played there and the number of times they played?

If we all left some sort of mark indicating the the number of times we played a specific course most of us would...well, hopefully you get the picture.

Again, what is the purpose of this 'tradition'?

[gwillim]

That tree collapsed under the weight of so many shoes. Bad example.

LOL, that's a pretty good comeback. The only problem is that the tree had been dead for many, many years. They were even holding it up with some 4x4s to brace it up. I don't know if it died due to the shoes or whatnot, but saying that the tree "collapsed under the weight" is not exactly accurate.

Still a smooth comeback, for sure!

[D-Walk]

http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=108

[Ol' Bob]

What if everyone tossed a rock into the Grand Canyon?

Tempests in teapots.

[Sam]

One word comes to mind:

Eyesore.

[Ol' Bob]

So many good arguments for the "No Having Fun Ordinance."

It looks like it would have been best if the red pennied sap stickers had never been spotted in the wild. They could quite possibly go extinct in our time.

[Sam]

How about "no having fun if it takes away from other people's enjoyment of the same space" as an ordinance? Doesn't seem that hard, really...

[Ol' Bob]

Trozzle fricked up by posting this. He should have gone quietly on, for what all this has been worth. That something so innocuous could stir so much sh*t is amazing. Religious fervor all about.

[Sam]

Agreed. It was dumb to post it. Now it will be easier to clean up the mess that most see this as.

Oh... and you seem pretty zealous in wishing to grant the Hagg folks the right to deface a tree, Bob. What's that all about?

[ChUcK]

LOL, that's a pretty good comeback. The only problem is that the tree had been dead for many, many years. They were even holding it up with some 4x4s to brace it up. I don't know if it died due to the shoes or whatnot, but saying that the tree "collapsed under the weight" is not exactly accurate.

Still a smooth comeback, for sure!

True, the tree had other problems besides the shoes, but they certainly caused it to collapse prematurely...

The article I read (when it finally toppled) stressed the fact that the shoes didn't kill the tree, it was dead before the first pair of Jordans ever graced a branch.

[Ol' Bob]

Agreed. It was dumb to post it. Now it will be easier to clean up the mess that most see this as.

Oh... and you seem pretty zealous in wishing to grant the Hagg folks the right to deface a tree, Bob. What's that all about?

Go back and read all of my posts. Pennies stuck up with tree sap won't be there all that long, and the pennies will be but pennies again. Where is the concern for the vine maples near death or gone from disc strikes at Pier Park and other places. I see that the vine maples and cascaras here at Mud that are in the way have lost chunks of bark, and have I have to accept that as a trade-off to have the course. There are many more cascaras, and unlike the vine maples, are not shade tolerant anyway, and so, die off in the woods.

I believe the trade-offs involved in disc golf are good and worth it because they get people into the woods to do something besides cut them down for some rich asshole. We share this earth in common. Those pennies took nothing from me. Certainly they won't kill a tree like disc strikes surely can. It's just that some of us don't like it with a religious enthusiasm. I feel that way about cigarette butts and wish those who toss them on my course would tell me how many butts they saw here before they tossed their own. The pennies aren't garbage and the application is, in my opinion, a respectful one, where the butts are garbage of a most unclean kind.

I'm sad that I can't seem to bring anyone around to my viewpoint, which is one that's long thought out, and I believe well considered. I think I've made plenty of good points in an argument that I believe should not even be one. Such a small passing impact, when compared to this sport we love, which is far and away, superior to say, going into the woods with rifles to collect trophies and meat at such cost.

Our species leaves far too big a footprint on our planet, not from our being here, nor even our inventiveness. The problem is in our motivations and our incomplete knowledge. "Because I say so" is not sufficient for any respectable limitations, and all of us should always balk at that. We should try to fathom the issues to the roots and get us a solution that will allow us to stay here and enjoy what we have in understanding. Ignorance just don't serve.

[Sam]

If we leave far too big of a footprint, why would we want to do something that adds to that footprint? Wouldn't it be best to NOT litter the course - even if it is with pennies? It has been voted on and the vast majority feel that this is littering. Can't you even begin to see that point of view?

[TreeLove]

Us crazy Hagg people started a new tradition out there. we started a penny tree on hole 9's tee pad. you will see it when you go out there. If you wish to contribute, go ahead and do so. take a penny, carve your initials onto your first one, and everytime you go out there, add another one below it. we just melt tree sap onto it to stick it to the tree.

You crazy Hagg people. That's just crazy. I wish I were that crazy. You're crazy!

(I, too, like to melt stuff. Like that kid on Friends.)

(I also like to carve. Whittle, actually.)

[Ol' Bob]

Like I said, it's a religious point of view, based on belief. The same zealots will chop a tree and put up an art gallery. It takes one to know one, and I too am a hypocrite in good standing. We have to look both ways when crossing, even on a one-way street.

[Jet]

After reading all the posts, I still like the tradition. :seeya:

["Over the Hill" Bob]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/Troy_g/05-09-09_1055.jpg


I had to go back and look again as I thought I saw something inconsistant in the picture. As mentioned somewhere in this thread this TRADITION might lead to further "traditions". There is already a bottle cap framing a pennie. How many more caps are to come? The pennies, may or maynot be environmentally bad but how many rusty bottles caps does it take? One thing leads to another and another and another. Best to not start in the beginning. How about if we sap stick a hub cap to a tree at each tee pad and then we can sap stick a bottle cap with a pennie sap stuck inside that. A true work of art, yes?

Bob

[Jet]

I had to go back and look again as I thought I saw something inconsistant in the picture. As mentioned somewhere in this thread this TRADITION might lead to further "traditions". There is already a bottle cap framing a pennie. How many more caps are to come? The pennies, may or maynot be environmentally bad but how many rusty bottles caps does it take? One thing leads to another and another and another. Best to not start in the beginning. How about if we sap stick a hub cap to a tree at each tee pad and then we can sap stick a bottle cap with a pennie sap stuck inside that. A true work of art, yes?

Bob
Good eye Bob, I missed the bottle cap. ;)

[Sam]

After reading all the posts, I still like the tradition. :seeya:

Alas... it will be gone sometime in the near future. :dancing::seeya:

[Flash]

the parks people out at Hagg are cool with us. The main people pretty much give us the go ahead to do what we want with the course as long as it is out of our pockets. Also normally they would be pissed to drive along the road and see a bag of trash there, but they know that we go out there often to pick up trash. we just drop our bags along the road and they come pick it up later.

I would be interested Troy in who you have been working with and if they are a representative of Washington County? According to my Grant Proposal meeting with the Washington County Recreation and Tourism Board, they indicated that the property is under the control of Washington County. (Hagg Lake (http://www.visitwashingtoncountyoregon.com/Play/Great%20Outdoors/10572.aspx)) Can you share some information on your contact?

Penny or not its littering, many businesses have in the past put signs up to not throw coins into fountains and ponds. Obviously currency is not always a good thing!

I would say Troy that you should ask for permission from a county parks representative and if they say its OK you go ahead and do it.

[erp]

Just to clarify, one of the posts up there seems to suggest that the redneck chandeliers are litter when they fall, and not when they are up in a tree.

They're litter in any situation and add nothing to the course.

I saw them in both situations yesterday at McGiver and wanted to eviscerate the knuckle-walking 'artisan' that inflicts their work on that course - luckily if I ever catch the dipshit in the act, there's a lot of space to hide a body :)

[Ol' Bob]

It's just the age of Zero Tolerance. With so many Junior Police Cadets on the job, order vill certainly be restored.

Have fun (but don't y'all get caught now).

Funny thing about zero tolerance: we think it's okay if we get to say what is and isn't to be tolerated.

[LakeStevensBA]

We had a problem with a group of people at the Lake Stevens course with their "tradition". They were pressing bottle caps into the stumps and logs all around the course leaving their mark. Some stumps would have 50 or more bottle caps pressed into it. Since the course has a NO Alcohol rule, this wasn't a real good public relations move.

We found out who was doing it and called them on it. They were nice enough to quit doing it and even cleaned it up.

Unfortunately it looks like this group moved to Arlington where you can now see their efforts at the tee box of hole 4.

[Ol' Bob]

Bottle caps are trash. Just my humble opinion. Don't leave them on the course at Lucky Mud. Just my dictatorial rule. It's good to be king.

Sun's out--back to work.

[erp]

You're right Bob - these are just copper-age petroglyphs left by some Oregonquin wood-dwelling tribe.

They're keeping future generations of archaeologists employed...

[Joshua Olmsted]

How about "no having fun if it takes away from other people's enjoyment of the same space" as an ordinance? Doesn't seem that hard, really...

Sam, does this small form of expression on a course really take away from your enjoyment of Hagg Lake, would it stop you from going? What if a hiker came up to you and said, "hey, your frisbees are taking away from my enjoyment of this park!" would you pack it in and go home? after all, you're breaking your own rule.

I'm with Ol' Bob 100% on this one, does everything have to be blown out of scale? should all traditions be viewed as equal, should everything be seen from a no-tolerance, "clearly this will encourage others" viewpoint? Would anyone really view Trozzle as being no different then the individuals who throw beer cans around Milo? Who should be the one to judge? To determine what's right and wrong on the disc golf course.

Just because something "might" lead to something else doesn't mean we should always insinuate that it will.

[Flash]

Sam, does this small form of expression on a course really take away from your enjoyment of Hagg Lake, would it stop you from going? What if a hiker came up to you and said, "hey, your frisbees are taking away from my enjoyment of this park!" would you pack it in and go home? after all, you're breaking your own rule.

I'm with Ol' Bob 100% on this one, does everything have to be blown out of scale? should all traditions be viewed as equal, should everything be seen from a no-tolerance, "clearly this will encourage others" viewpoint? Would anyone really view Trozzle as being no different then the individuals who throw beer cans around Milo? Who should be the one to judge? To determine what's right and wrong on the disc golf course.

Just because something "might" lead to something else doesn't mean we should always insinuate that it will.

Traditions or whatever you call them are regulated by the land owner or steward, in this case Washington County Parks. If they have no problem with it then it must be OK. I am 100% sure that Milo McIver State Park does not condone littering of beverage containers in the trees, on the ground or in the river. However I do not know what Washington County Parks feels about copper ornaments on trees nor do you. We all know who makes the call and that is in sentence one!

Bob obviously doesn't like bottle caps on his property and he let you know it in his post. But no one is posting from the land in question so the answer is still somewhere else.

I have no idea why Troy posted this other then to let people know who is doing it or to get people to add to it. What he needs to do is go find out what the level of acceptability is and then follow that. Who cares what a bunch or yahoos on this forum say!!!!

by the way I picked up 47 bottle caps at Whistler's Bend during the 1st round of the GNWO, I got frustrated that I was the only one who cared enough to remove them and stopped after round one. Most people thought they were a nuisance but not enough to remove them.

[snap7times]

by the way I picked up 47 bottle caps at Whistler's Bend during the 1st round of the GNWO, I got frustrated that I was the only one who cared enough to remove them and stopped after round one. Most people thought they were a nuisance but not enough to remove them.

That's what I was saying on the other thread... this is a bigger problem than the tradition at HAGG... we need to clean up as we play, i see too many DG'ers step over a peice of garbage than to pick it up...

[Sam]

Josh, you might be using the word tradition a little too loosely here. Some doofus who sticks a penny to a tree followed by another doofus doing the same thing does not a tradition make.

It's litter, plain and simple. And the next time I am out there, I will clean it up if it hasn't been done before that.

[LegoRules]

That's what I was saying on the other thread... this is a bigger problem than the tradition at HAGG... we need to clean up as we play, i see too many DG'ers step over a peice of garbage than to pick it up...


My husband and I carry a garbage bag with us when we play, and on Saturday we picked up over 50 cans and bottles plus one plastic poop baggie at Milo durring our round. Some of us do care, and try to help out when we can. I am with Nate though, and wish more cared as much.

Cindy :)

[JMittl]

Just to clarify, one of the posts up there seems to suggest that the redneck chandeliers are litter when they fall, and not when they are up in a tree.

They're litter in any situation and add nothing to the course.

I saw them in both situations yesterday at McGiver and wanted to eviscerate the knuckle-walking 'artisan' that inflicts their work on that course - luckily if I ever catch the dipshit in the act, there's a lot of space to hide a body :)

Had you any luck in getting the hangers down? Also, I encourage all to pitch in to help keep Milo clean. Users of the course don't have to go more than one hole now to come upon another recycling can.

Thanks!

[zippyboy]

It sounds to me like this "new tradition" is some sort of GATEWAY VANDALISM. If so, I'm sure the Haag Lake Crew will probably soon be spraypainting on teepads, bulldozing areas of the course, and maybe setting a few forest fires. All so they can keep that vandalism high going. Its a shame, really...

:nahnah:

We are arguing about pennies on trees. :headbang:

[E Smith]

This is my new favorite thread! :rockon:

[Adam Schneider]

We are arguing about pennies on trees.
Not me. I'm much more annoyed about the 1 bottlecap than the 19 pennies.

[zippyboy]

Point taken. I'm just trying to deflate this ever so slightly...

[Sam]

I think its been deflated. The "tradition" will either be removed by those who started it or by those who don't want to see trash on the course and want to buy a handful of Skittles.

[Ol' Bob]

God bless the vigilantes!

[Sam]

Bob... please. How would you like it if a similar tradition were started on your property? Would it be OK with you if people started doing this with bottle caps or pennies at your course? Would you at least like to be consulted on whether or not it is OK? Wouldn't you be concerned that people who visited your course found it hickish and juvenile?

[Ol' Bob]

The display that Trozzle illustrated on a tree at a tee, done in that fashion, certainly would not bother me in the slightest. I think bottle caps are trash, and I pick a few up. I hate picking up butts, as I don't want to put them in my bag. There is a definite difference between litter and the penny graph.

[Sam]

In your eyes, maybe. To others, the pennies are just as worthless as the bottle caps and create an equal eyesore.

[Ol' Bob]

...in the eye (and mind) of the beholder.

Mine's bigger (better).

You start by ripping down those pennies, next thing you'll be burning synagogues. Those gateway behaviors, again. I'm not without sin here. It just seems there has to be some small space for tolerance.

[Sam]

Throwing away litter = acts of anti-semitism?

Wow... What's in the water up there in Skamokawa?

[Ol' Bob]

Ain't it funny. I nearly always agree with Sam's points, but when I don't, oh brother!

[Adam Schneider]

Godwin says we're done here.

[Ol' Bob]

Godwin says we're done here.

Works for me.

[NWDiscer]

Had you any luck in getting the hangers down? Also, I encourage all to pitch in to help keep Milo clean. Users of the course don't have to go more than one hole now to come upon another recycling can.

Thanks!

we have cleared 4 in the last 2 days out there......:angry: idiots

[Adam Schneider]

Works for me.
Godwin also says you lost. :)

[Ol' Bob]

I feel I played the game well.

[all2common]

...a handful of Skittles.

Better ask him first.

[erp]

One had come down of it's own accord and we cleaned it up - I only saw one other one and it was across a couple fairways so I left it alone.

Steve and I netted a couple bottle pockets of trash - mostly candy wrappers and such - really not as bad as rooster has been with the empty beer cans etc - I get a full grocery bag of trash on every nine there at least once a week.

Whoever the artist is keeps fishing line on them, so there's a clue to any would-be mystery solvers.

And I'm wondering why no one has pointed out the title of this thread is a ridiculous oxy-moron.

Traditions by their very nature are not new - this is a manufactured 'tradition' in the sense of a Hallmark holiday - how Gauche!

Had you any luck in getting the hangers down? Also, I encourage all to pitch in to help keep Milo clean. Users of the course don't have to go more than one hole now to come upon another recycling can.

Thanks!

[Sam]

That's what I was saying, erp. A guy deciding to do something and his buddy thinking it cool and doing the same thing is NOT a tradition.

[maccallum]

Whoever the artist is keeps fishing line on them, so there's a clue to any would-be mystery solvers.

Most likely the bottles are being used by people fishing illegally, either out of season or without a fishing license. It's a crude but somewhat effective way of fishing that allows someone to dispose of the evidence at a moments notice should they be approached. If this is the case it should be pretty easy to find the culprits, they would be the ones sitting on the bank of the river with no fishing rod.

Are there more of these "chandeliers" in areas closer to the river or are they spread throughout the course?

[NWDiscer]

Most likely the bottles are being used by people fishing illegally, either out of season or without a fishing license. It's a crude but somewhat effective way of fishing that allows someone to dispose of the evidence at a moments notice should they be approached. If this is the case it should be pretty easy to find the culprits, they would be the ones sitting on the bank of the river with no fishing rod.

Are there more of these "chandeliers" in areas closer to the river or are they spread throughout the course?



nope they can show up any where we just took 2 down up inside the trees by the bathroom holes/tourney central area off towards the east side....


took them down melted the line disposed in recycle cans.

[the flogging putter]

In your eyes, maybe. To others, the pennies are just as worthless as the bottle caps and create an equal eyesore.

Eyesore yes, Trash no.

Here's what i'm going to do, dump a thousand dollars worth of pennies in Sam's yard and laugh as he throws them all away! hahahahaha

Just kidding sam, momentarily thought that was funny.:nahnah:

[bvdisc]

To a bird, a worm or any other non-homo sapiens pennies are just as much trash as a bottle cap. Just because something has monetary value doesn't mean that it can't be trash too. If I took my car and left it in a forest I would be littering no matter the value of the car.

Eyesore yes, Trash no.

Here's what i'm going to do, dump a thousand dollars worth of pennies in Sam's yard and laugh as he throws them all away! hahahahaha

Just kidding sam, momentarily thought that was funny.:nahnah: