How much is a State "Points" Series really wanted?

[Magilla]

The Title says it all.....

How much is a State "Points" Series really wanted?


discuss...............

:cheers:

[LegoRules]

The Title says it all.....

How much is a State "Points" Series really wanted?


discuss...............

:cheers:

I like the idea. Granted I have limited experience in the Oregon series so far, but I was looking forward to playing them all. If it was not a series I for sure would not play them all. I think the series aspect is a bigger draw than just random Oregon events.

Cindy :)

[Scott]

The Title says it all.....

How much is a State "Points" Series really wanted?


discuss...............

:cheers:

Where are you going with this? Is this a byproduct of a meeting that took place at Whistler's over the weekend?

I agree with Cindy - it's very nice to have a group of tournaments tied together in a tangible way.

[shavonne]

Where are you going with this? Is this a byproduct of a meeting that took place at Whistler's over the weekend?


Maybe the lack of a meeting....

I think having series points is great. You get to see how you compare to those same people you play with at the tournaments in a variety of places in Oregon. Having tournaments a part of the Oregon Series as it is now seems to usually guarantee a good turn out as well.

[Magilla]

Maybe the lack of a meeting....




Ding, Ding, Ding...We have a winner...:trophy:

I had a total of 2 reps show up at the meeting..... :shocked:

Apparently...our Td's & rep's pay attention/attend players meetings about as often as they check this forum. :slapface:

For the number of people who declared the "Right" to attend...I was suprised to see NONE of them.

:bricks:

[Greg_R]

Keeping track of the points is a few hours of work after each tournament (not a huge job for 1 volunteer, I could do this). However, what is the reward for competition? Trophies? A pat on the back? The feeling of accomplishment? Cash / script? No money is being taken from events this year to go toward a year-end payout so any prizes would have to be a result of series fund raising.

I'd like to hear from the players - are series points and winners worth following without any material reward (trophies, cash, etc.)? If not, is there anyone who would take over the enormous overhead of obtaining sponsorship or collecting additional cash from each Series event and then turning that into end-of-year awards?

[Bullseye]

Considering the amount of time we've had to pick up where the Bellinger's have left off, perhaps we should focus all of our energy this year on putting on the best individual tourneys we possibly can and set a long term goal of putting on a rocking Oregon Series next year. This will give us a little extra time work out the kinks and details associated with such a task.

Another idea I was pondering was using the individual events as qualifiers for a final Oregon State Championship. We could give away invites to the top 3 previously unqualified players in each division; similar to the way the USDGC handles it. This would be a motivator to play the events AND it would give us a State Championship event.

Just a thought...

[SMOKIN JOE]

i think the whole thing for me is the series aspect,declaring a champion over a seriers of events on the premier courses in our state,
that's why i'm sticking all my disc money into the worlds this year and next year all see what series is offering the overall series championship and join that series
as for this year this should have been decided before w.b. not during or after
and with the lack of response at the meeting i wouldn't bother this year
as for next year i would be more than willing to be involved with doing the overall totals and collecting and making trophies i like making trophies:cool2:

[Dizzle]

Maybe it doesn't have to be about materialistic gain. what if a the highest ranking oregon player from this series was allowed to register first for the next years events?

i just scrolled up and realize this was kinda what Bullesye said....consider this reinforcing.

[Sam]

No money is being taken from events this year to go toward a year-end payout so any prizes would have to be a result of series fund raising.

Is this for sure? Mike Phillips said that there was series money built into the entry fee for the BSF. I thought that the same happened with the GNO. Was this not the case?

I'd like to hear from the players - are series points and winners worth following without any material reward (trophies, cash, etc.)? If not, is there anyone who would take over the enormous overhead of obtaining sponsorship or collecting additional cash from each Series event and then turning that into end-of-year awards?

Sounds like a job for... SuperStateCoordinator!

[LegoRules]

Is this for sure? Mike Phillips said that there was series money built into the entry fee for the BSF. I thought that the same happened with the GNO. Was this not the case?



Sounds like a job for... SuperStateCoordinator!

Here is what the flyer says for the Midsummer Glide.

The following will be subtracted from entry fee:

Hoodoo lift $20
PDGA B-Teir $3
KOM Tour $3
ORS Series $3
Ace Pot $1

Looks thier is money built into this event as well?

Cindy :)

[Magilla]

Here is what the flyer says for the Midsummer Glide.

The following will be subtracted from entry fee:

Hoodoo lift $20
PDGA B-Teir $3
KOM Tour $3
ORS Series $3
Ace Pot $1

Looks thier is money built into this event as well?

Cindy :)


You are correct....

Im am NOT sure IF GNWO collected Series fees....a "Representitive" was not sure and I didnt bother Tom about it.

Mike Phillips DID say that BSF had accounted for a $3 fee.....

Ryan Lane did the same for Mid Summers Glide.....

I was "hoping" that some sort of structure could be decided upon at GNW so that we could still continue a "points" series with awards WHILE re-building our infrastructure for next year.

IF something else is decided upon for this year then I would suggest that the TD's absorb those funds into the payout/purse of each event.

I CAN be the person who handles the "Fees"/awards for finals,etc. if need be....with full disclosure, of course.

:biggrin2:

[Jim J]

You are correct....

Im am NOT sure IF GNWO collected Series fees....

Once the dust settles from the tournament, I'll find out. My sense is that they didn't because if they did it will end up in the EDGC treasury and then I'll know (since I'm the treasurer). Also, I'm not sure that Tom would have wanted to pull almost $500 out of the tournament payout.

As far as a "points series" goes, it doesn't matter to me since I play in a little division (PGM) that won't be offered at a number of tournaments, so I can't qualify anyway. And I'm not sure why we'd want to give a $$$ award to people who have been cashing all year.

A much bigger issue is coordinating the scheduling for 2010.

I know that the southern Oregon folks want (and deserve) an ORS event.

The old ORS crew understandably resisted because of the incredible travel requirements. But that was then.

[Sam]

Well... that's not why the southern Oregon folks didn't run ORS events for a while but that is all water under the bridge since the old ORS is done.

As for giving $$$ to people who have been cashing all year, this is fairly traditional in most series that I am aware of. There are all kinds of things that can be done with the money other than awards, though. Shirts for people who have played 4 events has been done. Could be done again.

Mostly, I would just like to see as much continuity as possible. What has been has worked and worked well. We would be wise to try and do many of the same things they did.

[Flash]

Regardless of whether or not the series will continue I will be keeping the points and I will let you know who wins the overall!!!!

[Bluedisc]

:yay:Regardless of whether or not the series will continue I will be keeping the points and I will let you know who wins the overall!!!!

[Magilla]

Regardless of whether or not the series will continue I will be keeping the points and I will let you know who wins the overall!!!!


:cheers:

Keeping HOPE alive...... :cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

:rockon:

[Greg_R]

Mike, I'm willing to help with the series points thing, just let me know.

OK, so it sounds like a pool of money is being collected for something. Just so everyone is aware, here is what the funds from last year went toward:

- T-shirts for all qualifiers (4 tournaments or more)
- Nice prize for people who played all events (embroidered Columbia fleece pullover for '08, etc.)
- script for all AM winners (followed PDGA payout guidelines, number of players based on people who played more than 4 tournaments)
- cash for all PRO winners (again, PDGA payout guidelines were followed)
- In 2008, $1 / entry was used for gas money

By the way, contact Cris if you have not received your 2008 stuff. You'll need to swing by his house to pick it up.

[Greg_R]

Keeping track of the 2009 money for 2010 entry fees will be a huge pain in the butt. IMO, the "easiest" thing to do is to hand out some form of prize and close the 2009 books at the end of the year. If someone wants to take on the effort of keeping all the records, they are welcome to it. Perhaps Rebecca Duffy or Jim J can talk more about the procedure of paying entry fees (Eugene DGC offers those items as prizes on occaision).

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Ding, Ding, Ding...We have a winner...:trophy:

I had a total of 2 reps show up at the meeting..... :shocked:

Apparently...our Td's & rep's pay attention/attend players meetings about as often as they check this forum. :slapface:

For the number of people who declared the "Right" to attend...I was suprised to see NONE of them.
:bricks:

I appologize for my absence at the meeting. I had this thing of finishing my second round later than expected and needing to feed my diebetes before I passed out. Once I sat down I was done. I totally forgot! Damned old age anyway. :pullhair:

I do believe there is quite a bit of interest in keeping Series Points from the people I've talked to and we seem to have a couple of people here that have expressed interest in tracking them. Lets do it this year and see how it shakes out.

Bob

[DexterHawk]

I think I can speak for some of the pros when I say that the cash payout is not nearly as important as the title... A series rewards consistency and an ability to perform at an ultra high level at a variety of courses... I think we should make trophy's for the top three in divisions with 20 or less qualifiers and for the top ten in divisions with more than 20 qualifiers.... I think that T-shirts for qualifiers was a cool advertisement but certainly not necessary.

This is the part of our sport that brings families from around the state togeather and I think that the effort to keep it alive would be well worth it...

There is strength in unity.

[DexterHawk]

Oh and I love Bullseye's idea for a state championship... THAT WOULD BE RAD!!!

[Flash]

So just to clarify the ORS fee was initially set aside from the BSF but when it looked like the series was not going to happen as initially planned under the ORS Guidelines we rolled the fee back into the payout during the event weekend.

I do have the points calculated so far though for the events up to and including the RCO. I am looking for a place to host them and I am trying to find a better way of entering the data, for now it is in a large spreadsheet with tabs for each division and event.

I am still hoping to find a way to fund/create trophies and I will likely be communicating with the clubs of Oregon to see if they would like to participate. I feel the clubs are a good point of contact as the clubs are now running all events listed in the original series. I am hoping to work a little further on the implementation with our State Coordinator!

Rest Assured the series is not dead, it lives but in a state of infancy once again.

Stay tuned, hopefully more to come.

[smobro]

So just to clarify the ORS fee was initially set aside from the BSF but when it looked like the series was not going to happen as initially planned under the ORS Guidelines we rolled the fee back into the payout during the event weekend.

I do have the points calculated so far though for the events up to and including the RCO. I am looking for a place to host them and I am trying to find a better way of entering the data, for now it is in a large spreadsheet with tabs for each division and event.

I am still hoping to find a way to fund/create trophies and I will likely be communicating with the clubs of Oregon to see if they would like to participate. I feel the clubs are a good point of contact as the clubs are now running all events listed in the original series. I am hoping to work a little further on the implementation with our State Coordinator!

Rest Assured the series is not dead, it lives but in a state of infancy once again.

Stay tuned, hopefully more to come.

FLASH is Rad!!!!!!!

[all2common]

Funny, I was just thinking that same thing.

[TreeLove]

I have some web space that is included with my Comcast account; I would be happy to host the information there. Also, you might consider using a Google Spreadsheet - that's how Adam powers the the disc golf course maps.

[LegoRules]

So just to clarify the ORS fee was initially set aside from the BSF but when it looked like the series was not going to happen as initially planned under the ORS Guidelines we rolled the fee back into the payout during the event weekend.

I do have the points calculated so far though for the events up to and including the RCO. I am looking for a place to host them and I am trying to find a better way of entering the data, for now it is in a large spreadsheet with tabs for each division and event.

I am still hoping to find a way to fund/create trophies and I will likely be communicating with the clubs of Oregon to see if they would like to participate. I feel the clubs are a good point of contact as the clubs are now running all events listed in the original series. I am hoping to work a little further on the implementation with our State Coordinator!

Rest Assured the series is not dead, it lives but in a state of infancy once again.

Stay tuned, hopefully more to come.

How many events do you have to play in one division to qualify for the series. When it is all said and done I should have 4 events in FW1.

Thanks for keeping track :rockon:

Cindy :)

[Flash]

How many events do you have to play in one division to qualify for the series. When it is all said and done I should have 4 events in FW1.

Thanks for keeping track :rockon:

Cindy :)

It has always been more that 50% of the events, in this case there were 7 events initially identified so you would need 4 events!

[Flash]

Ok lets see if this works, come on Google don't let us down:


2009 Oregon Series Points for Pro (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t01K4lo9_XbQT_ghGMMu2SQ&output=html)

2009 Oregon Series Points for Advanced Amateur (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t9iWxb3U49ylE5y5deLKEcQ&output=html)

2009 Oregon Series Points for Amateur (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tTtR1Wro4yo6XYJSzboboxg&output=html)


The files were split into three files because Google Docs has a limitation on the number of cells, sheets and formulas that can be imported into a spreadsheet. If Google increases the limits or changes the way copy and paste works within Google Docs I will merge the files back into one. The files have tabs at the bottom so click on your division to see your points.

Please PM if you have clicked on the files and let me know if you were able to view them or if you were not able to view them.

I will make a new post in the Oregon Series Section and ask to have it stickied when the access of these files has been confirmed by multiple people.

[essjay]

That's great Mike! Thanks so much for keeping track :)

[OneDarkRebel]

The sheet for Advanced players opened for me, but not the one for Pro and Intermediates.

[Scott]

They all worked for me (IE7).

[Dr. Zaius]

all links worked for me. (mac)

thanks for all the extra/hard work flash. it really is truly appreciated...

[Flash]

There have been some issues with the files not opening on all platforms so I am working on the security with google docs. I hope I can work it out here real soon.

[Flash]

OK so I went ahead and published them as a web page instead of as a document and I have had no problems on any platform. Could those that have checked it so far check again and see if it is working for you. The links in the earlier post have been changed to link to the new document published in html format.

I will continue to investigate other means of hosting these files.

[all2common]

It works...worked before as well.

[Scott]

OK so I went ahead and published them as a web page instead of as a document and I have had no problems on any platform. Could those that have checked it so far check again and see if it is working for you. The links in the earlier post have been changed to link to the new document published in html format.

I will continue to investigate other means of hosting these files.

They all work for me.

[Bluedisc]

Thanks Flash!


Oh SNAP!
It is on Lundy! :shocked:

[dooley]

In 2008 I was 7th in the series in my division and was happy to see the 6 in front of me recognized for their great golf and full participation....I missed GNO...I decided then that I was all in this year.I was bummed when I heard the series was not on this year but was playin all of them anyway...I am so stoked to see the work done to keep it going..not just cause I am doing well but because I am proud to be an OREGON golfer and would be most proud of any shirt,trophy,etc. that claimed success in the OREGON SERIES.....I am an AM. so I am not in this for money but like the idea of a small fee on the tourneys for series prizes...In my mind winning a series is greater than any one event....THANK YOU FLASH...for all you do!

[RonTheWhip]

Go Whip!

Sadly I wont be able to play ORS till the Willamette Open, hopefully I can hold on, I feel like my odds are low...

[TreeLove]

Great job Flash. Worked perfectly in Firefox 3.5.2 on XP SP3!