Worlds Biggest Timber Park 5/2/09

[LJ Jubner]

Here is the link for the 2009 Worlds Biggest
http://www.discgolfpugetsound.com/first/news.htm


The last day to pre-register is tomorrow April 15th That means If you want your PP on the 2nd you need to pay by tomorrow.

[Adam Schneider]

Holy short notice, Batman!

[LegoRules]

Wow that does not give us much time. I might have to pass this year.

Cindy :(

[LJ Jubner]

It's all part of the master plan. (just kidding) Jerry has been on Vacation for a couple of weeks. Val asked me to set it up so I did.

[LJ Jubner]

Just beacuse it short notice does not mean you still can't find your way out on Sat. Get the pack or not it's still a great chance to support DG worldwide! jub

[Scott]

It's all part of the master plan. (just kidding) Jerry has been on Vacation for a couple of weeks. Val asked me to set it up so I did.

I don't see this as a valid reason. Even if Jerry announced the event (and cut off date for ordering) before he went on vacation, that would still be less than two weeks notice, which isn't very much.

Jerry does WB every year. I'm guessing he knew he was going to run WB in 2009 even before the one in 2008 even ended. Why does it take 11 1/2 months to announce anything?

[Sam]

Why all of the complaining? Other events sell out in 24 hours. Why not this one?

:laughing:

Sorry... couldn't help myself.

By the way... it's weird that the flyer says that players' packs will be ordered after the event...

[Bruce]

If you don't pre reg, WB players packs have always been ordered after the event, Sam :P

[LJ Jubner]

At least the good news is he did not bail on a series at the last moment.wink wink nudge nudge say no more

Maybe there needs to be another thread about the protocol for announcing events. What is a fair lead time to sign up?

Yes! depot does WBDGW every year. But after the ace race controversy last fall he did not want to step on anyone Else's toes who might be thinking they would run WBDGW this year Same with Ice Bowl.

Sam the PP things is easy by ordering after the event and you get exactly how many you need no speculation involved.

[Sam]

At least the good news is he did not bail on a series at the last moment.wink wink nudge nudge say no more

:|

Yes! depot does WBDGW every year. But after the ace race controversy last fall he did not want to step on anyone Else's toes who might be thinking they would run WBDGW this year Same with Ice Bowl.

:shocked:

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The last day to pre-register is tomorrow April 15th That means If you want your PP on the 2nd you need to pay by tomorrow.

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Sam the PP things is easy by ordering after the event and you get exactly how many you need no speculation involved.

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:slapface:

[Sam]

If you don't pre reg, WB players packs have always been ordered after the event, Sam :P

Naturally.

The OP (opening post) in this thread stated that if you signed up today or tomorrow, you would get your player's pack at the event.

The flyer states that players' packs would be ordered after the event.

Am I really the only one who sees this as two different statements that contradict each other?

[Adam Schneider]

Am I really the only one who sees this as two different statements that contradict each other?
It's not that the flyer contradicts what Jub said here... it's that the flyer doesn't say anything at all about the ability to pre-order by 4/15.

[JMan]

No, I see it. And I see using stepping on another event, one he never ran, as an excuse to not announce an event he always ran...wtf? But, so what; it doesn't change the amount of annie I need on hole 11 at Pier tomorrow afternoon.

[Sam]

No, I see it. And I see using stepping on another event, one he never ran, as an excuse to not announce an event he always ran...wtf?

In fairness, this could have been a Jub invention. An InJubtion, if you will. Or a Jubvention.

But yeah... that's pretty much why I threw the :shocked: out there. Total WTF and total Red Herring.

[LJ Jubner]

Here is the link for the 2009 Worlds Biggest
http://www.discgolfpugetsound.com/first/news.htm


The last day to pre-register is tomorrow April 15th That means If you want your PP on the 2nd you need to pay by tomorrow.

I guess this was not clear enough to get throught all the smoke haze and empty beer cans.

According to you all the Bottom line is Jerry is damned if he does and damned if he does not. I guess there is just no pleasing any of you. I am pretty sure thats why no one ever tries too anymore.

[Scott]

I guess this was not clear enough to get throught all the smoke haze and empty beer cans.

According to you all the Bottom line is Jerry is damned if he does and damned if he does not. I guess there is just no pleasing any of you. I am pretty sure thats why no one ever tries too anymore.

Jub, try to keep up here, OK?

The flyer states "Players Packs will be ordered after event and available for
pick up at Disc Golf Depot. More details to be announced". It makes no mention of the option to order player's packs by the 15th.

[Scott]

At least the good news is he did not bail on a series at the last moment.wink wink nudge nudge say no more

What the hell does that have to do with the topic on hand?


Maybe there needs to be another thread about the protocol for announcing events. What is a fair lead time to sign up?

Not a bad idea. Would Mr. Miller follow that protocol? Would he even read it? :chinscratch:


Yes! depot does WBDGW every year. But after the ace race controversy last fall he did not want to step on anyone Else's toes who might be thinking they would run WBDGW this year Same with Ice Bowl.
Did you honestly think anyone would buy what you're selling here? This is one of the few times I wish ODSA was online, so I could look at posts from years past. A two-week advance notice before the event has been the rule, not the exception, to Jerry's WB events.


Sam the PP things is easy by ordering after the event and you get exactly how many you need no speculation involved.
And it's sooooo convenient for the players, too. On the plus side, it does bring additional foot traffic into Jerry's garage. :rolleyes2:

[LJ Jubner]

What the hell does that have to do with the topic on hand?
It has to do with others who announce events or SERIES and then bail two weeks before Like the Bellingers and the Ore series and the recent WA series coup the day before Aloha

Not a bad idea. Would Mr. Miller follow that protocol? Would he even read it? :chinscratch:

The real question is will you as a DG quit whineing about too short of a notice to attend if the protocols are established.


Did you honestly think anyone would buy what you're selling here? This is one of the few times I wish ODSA was online, so I could look at posts from years past. A two-week advance notice before the event has been the rule, not the exception, to Jerry's WB events.

I too wish for archives and then I could reference the stink made about the Ace Race last fall (by the way Jman) Jerry has run the ace race several times in the past 7 or so year. Back in 04 he preordered the PP and got stuck by those who said they would attend but did not.

And it's sooooo convenient for the players, too. On the plus side, it does bring additional foot traffic into Jerry's garage. :rolleyes2:

God you don't whine about having to go to next adventure to redeem scrip. It seems to me there is enough "convienece" for the golfers already. Maybe he should drive them around to all of you. Maybe he should call first and see if you want him to pick anything else up for you on his way to your house.

This reminds me of the self gain ************ song. Me! Me-Me! Me Me-Me! Me!

[Matt B.]

God you don't whine about having to go to next adventure to redeem scrip. It seems to me there is enough "convienece" for the golfers already. Maybe he should drive them around to all of you. Maybe he should call first and see if you want him to pick anything else up for you on his way to your house.

This reminds me of the self gain *********** song. Me! Me-Me! Me Me-Me! Me!


Is this the kind of language we want children and parks and rec officials to see on the forum? The garbled syntax and poor spelling is bad enough....
:nono:

[LJ Jubner]

Point taken but still applies Why does the entire community need to be redesigned just so a few lazy players might particapte.

[Scott]

[B]God you don't whine about having to go to next adventure to redeem scrip.

That's because I've never won NA script. But if I did, I doubt I would complain because

1) NA is more centrally located
2) I don't have to schedule an appointment to go there.

[Scott]

Point taken but still applies Why does the entire community need to be redesigned just so a few lazy players might particapte.

It's called growth. Make the sport more appealing and convenient and more will play.

[Sam]

Jub... I think you are forgetting the fact that the Bellingers have more class in their little piggy toes than you have on your whole residential block, I am guessing. Certainly more than you and Mr. Miller could ever hope to have. Ever. In multiple lifetimes. Seriously... ever.

I certainly hope that you meant to write two months and not two weeks and are not trying to re-invent history like you are doing with the Ace Race thing. Something Jerry did 5 years ago in no way qualifies as something he has done all along.

Here's a bit of advice for you and the Depot: Don't bring up stuff that you did that makes you look like a complete tool - like the Ace Race thing.

[LJ Jubner]

Sam As a tool of the Bellingers you would understand that whatever comes from your mouth is just that a tool for someone Else's agenda. When you speak of the former ore series coordinators and how on "the up and up" they were is a joke. They were the Madoffs of the NW DG world. For you to propose they have more integrity then Jerry and his life long support of DG is also a hoot. It seems to me that Miller is the default (not at fault) person to offer these type of events.


Scott, This type of event is exactly what attracts new players to DG. The fact it's all day, You can play with your friends, has no entry fee (unless you want the a fore mentioned PP) Offers food and Drink. God! what is there to gripe about and yet you still do? I was just talking to Stern and he said WBGDW was already on his calendar he just needed to add Timber to the list, So for all of you whiners out there the basic info was posted (even the deadline for pre reg) is on the National site. Just because There might not be a local event They still want you to support it Nationally

[Adam Schneider]

This type of event is exactly what attracts new players to DG.
Okay... so how has this been/how will it be publicized to those new players? Are there flyers up at REI, Next Adventure, and Play It Again Sports? How about at local courses and community centers?

[George A.]

OMG can't we all just get along :headbang:

[Scott]

OMG can't we all just get along :headbang:

No. And why would we want to?

Imagine - While discussing high taxes and the overall repression by the British, Ben Franklin stands up and says, "OMG can't we all just get along?"
Where would we be today?

Yeah - that's an extreme example, so don't even start picking it apart. Disc Golf is not equal to the American Revolution. BUT - change will not occur unless there is first discussion. And there are areas within the sport that could certainly use change.

[Sam]

Sam As a tool of the Bellingers you would understand that whatever comes from your mouth is just that a tool for someone Else's agenda. When you speak of the former ore series coordinators and how on "the up and up" they were is a joke. They were the Madoffs of the NW DG world. For you to propose they have more integrity then Jerry and his life long support of DG is also a hoot. It seems to me that Miller is the default (not at fault) person to offer these type of events.

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Please. It should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that for Jerry it is about making money and not growing the sport. Growing the sport would include encouraging new TDs to get involved - not overscheduling their event in an effort to make a few more $$. And this is but one example of how nonsensical it is to claim that Jerry is in this to grow the sport. This is fantasy, Jub. I don't think anyone believes it anymore.

Let me say it again - the Bellingers have more class than you or Jerry could ever HOPE to have. As for integrity, I would say we need to look no further than the fiasco that Jerry caused by trying to step on J-Man's toes with the Ace Race thing. A vacuum is how I would describe it if I am being honest. And that has nothing to do with the Bellingers.

Remember - there were years and years of Jerry badmouthing the Bellingers behind their back. Did they respond in kind? Nope. They never said anything negative to me about Jerry or Depot. That would be class, Jub.

Scott, This type of event is exactly what attracts new customers for DGD.

SO close.... I fixed that for you. :cheers:

If this was a "grow disc golf" type of event, Jerry would invite all vendors and all interested parties to set up a booth and share the expenses with him so that people wouldn't get the mistaken idea that DGD is the only place in town to get discs and gear.

What are the chances of that EVER happening?

["Over the Hill" Bob]

OMG can't we all just get along :headbang:

What he said...^^^^^^! :nono:

Bob

[LJ Jubner]

I am pretty sure Each has their own chance to run this type of event.

Yes Scott the flayers could be posted at the business and organizations you mentioned. Care to head that up? If not; Again I know Bob could use some BSF help?

Money or Growth Jeez sam you said it yourself it's OK to do it for both. By that same logic I guess Jerry is also the default course designer too. Or as a legitimate business is he the only one who answers his phone when inquiries are made.

Sam It's a good question, Why don't you ask him? Personally?

Just for the record I am the only TD who allows what Sam is proposing. Both Scrip and Sales and Jerry has always been very supportive of this concept.


Quitters or burn-outs? I know no matter how tired and burnt Jerry is he would never bail at the 11Th hr like your heroes did. Talk about trying to rewrite history to reflect a better light.

[Kevin Madrid]

This is going NOWHERE!!!!! :headbang: :angry: :slapface:

If I remember wasn't this the beginning of the end for Jub and Sam on ODSA. I think all we need now is the other Kevin (not me :wink2:) to step in and start the threaten Sam. :headbang:

Let the damn thing die already...Jub is always going to be right and Sam will always be right.

So please...PLEASE stop the meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...the little meow fight is old.

PLEASE :pullhair:

[Tim]

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree?

[Kevin Madrid]

Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree?

Tim I didn't know your name was Jub or Sam??? It looks like Tim to me :jumpspin:.

They are acting like two girls in a cat fight :jumpspin:..get it meow meow meow.

[Tim]

Heh, sorry for the confusion...its a quote from Super Troopers (meow). I wasn't a huge fan of the movie, but that was one part that made me laugh.

[Sam]

Does my breath smell like cat food?!

Kevin, I will not sit idly by while Jub tries to rewrite history to a) make it look like the Bellingers bailed at the last minute and without working with folks to come up with a contingency, and b) make it look like Jerry has not done absolutely horrible things to the disc golf community he claims to support so much. I simply won't let this type of dishonesty fly.

It's not growth, Jub. Maybe he still has you snowed but when he tried to overschedule the Ace Race and basically turned an aspiring TD into someone who didn't want the hassle, Jerry proved to me that he doesn't care about the growth of this sport - only himself and the profit he stands to make. Maybe that is wrong but that is what he showed me, anyway. I kind of doubt it is wrong after the whole "I am going to pull my baskets from Timber" nonsense the night before a charity event, though. No... It's not about the growth of disc golf. It's about Jerry Miller to Jerry Miller. Maybe that hasn't always been the case but that is the view from my eyes for the five years I have been involved.

[Sausage Fingers]

I like Jerry.
I like Cris & Teresa.
I like Jubby.
I like Sam.

I went by DGD today and signed my group up for PP's for World's Biggest just like every year since 96.

This may be the internet but it doesn't have to be a pissing match. Take a chill pill and play nice.:pirate:

[LJ Jubner]

So I guess 1 person figured it out. Way to go jordy