Go BIG or go Home

["Over the Hill" Bob]

So with the state of Disc Golf in the NW this season it appears it might be time to make a leap. GNO fills under 36 hours! BSF setting a remarkable record! I would expect the same for the RCO. If things keep up this way for all events this season I'm inclined to believe that some major changes are in order for next year.

This is just hypothetical thinking on my part so don't hold me to it. Just testing the waters here on the forum.

What if:

Rose City Open 2010
3 days
3 courses
A tier

Pier
Trojan
Dabney/Hornings (new course)/Milo?

Offer me some feedback, what do you think? Can it work? How CAN we make it work? How do we offer more players the opportunity?

Bob

[KenGilmore]

Wow, that is a lot of driving between the 3 courses.

[snap7times]

I think Hornings is capable of hosting an A-Tier by itself in 2010 with 3 courses. The short one might get some controversy but 3 rounds and a final 9 would be a super family weekend at Hornings...
When having 2 courses, I usually hope they are less than 10-15 miles apart. I am also hoping that the Jerry Miller DGC @ Camp Taloali gets some good reviews in the fall after some adjustments and it easily can hold a temp 18 to make 36 holes. The lodging and amenties there are awesome compared to the other host sites in the ORS... I don't mind helping TD a B Tier at Camp Taloali next Aprilish, if there were an interest in it...

[TreeLove]

No need to drive between courses on the same day.... just play 2 rounds per course per day.

or

At every Worlds I have been to, there have been drives of up to an hour between courses. You get a 2-hour break, it works out fine.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

No need to drive between courses on the same day.... just play 2 rounds per course per day.

or

At every Worlds I have been to, there have been drives of up to an hour between courses. You get a 2-hour break, it works out fine.


Bingo! AND would'nt it be a hoot to have a pro final 18 on the Hornings Short Course? :D I believe that with 3 days, 3 courses there are a lot of options that are yet to be explored. Lets think outside the box here and see where it goes.

Bob

[Matt B.]

Bingo! AND would'nt it be a hoot to have a pro final 18 on the Hornings Short Course? :D I believe that with 3 days, 3 courses there are a lot of options that are yet to be explored. Lets think outside the box here and see where it goes.

Bob

Can you have an A-tier on homemade baskets?

[Bullseye]

Bingo! AND would'nt it be a hoot to have a pro final 18 on the Hornings Short Course? :D I believe that with 3 days, 3 courses there are a lot of options that are yet to be explored. Lets think outside the box here and see where it goes.

Bob

Pro finals? On the short course? Nothing personal here, but no thanks.

I truly appreciate everything being done out at Horning's, but birdie or die courses hold zero interest to me. The original course at Horning's is about as short of a tourney course as I would like to be playing.

[gwillim]

Can you have an A-tier on homemade baskets?

Not unless one is sent into PDGA Headquarters and is technically approved.

[gwillim]

I think Dabney would be a HUGE mistake. It's not a good tournament course, especially with a large field. Add to that the fact that Dabney is pretty gnarly in July, and I think you'd have a disaster on your hands.

Pier and Trojan, and then maybe look into a place to setup a temporary course would be best, in my opinion.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Pro finals? On the short course? Nothing personal here, but no thanks.

I truly appreciate everything being done out at Horning's, but birdie or die courses hold zero interest to me. The original course at Horning's is about as short of a tourney course as I would like to be playing.

Sorry Jeff, maybe you missed the smiley? If used as a third option for the RCO it would only be the third big course and only if baskets approved and cement tees.

Keep the comments coming!

Bob

[KenGilmore]

I love playing at Hornings! Having said that, I won't play a PDGA tourney on the homemade baskets. :(

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I love playing at Hornings! Having said that, I won't play a PDGA tourney on the homemade baskets. :(

Hornings was one option but what if REAL baskets were put in? Viable option? What other course to make a third?

Bob

[RonTheWhip]

One of the reasons the Willamette Open isn't an A tier is the fact many of our local club members would not be able to play an A tier since they are not PDGA members. I don't know why they don't just join, but I could foresee a problem along those same lines in other areas. Also, it takes a big chunk of change to do an A tier, but I think it would have a huge draw in Oregon.


I'd play Trojan / Pier for an A tier. I'd play Timber / Adair for an A tier. I'd play Whistler's for an A tier. Not much else though...besides Milo which already has a NT.

[Magilla]

I'd play Trojan / Pier for an A tier. I'd play Timber / Adair for an A tier. I'd play Whistler's for an A tier. Not much else though...besides Milo which already has a NT.


:cheers:
What HE said..................:trophy:

:biggrin2:

[Bluedisc]

Pier and Trojan, and then maybe look into a place to setup a temporary course would be best, in my opinion.

:wink2:

I like the idea of a temporary course--do you have any ideas where that would be set up? That would definitely increase the field size...and it could be seriously badass. How much does it cost to "reserve" a large scale park like Gabriel Park? :drool:

[JMan]

Kelly Point

[TreeLove]

Quote:
Originally Posted by KenGilmore View Post

I love playing at Hornings! Having said that, I won't play a PDGA tourney on the homemade baskets.

Hornings was one option but what if REAL baskets were put in? Viable option? What other course to make a third?

Bob

I resent the term REAL baskets as much as I resent the term "REAL golf". Horning's baskets are every bit as REAL as any old wire basket. Let's see you make one. They just don't catch REAL well. However, they are equally finicky at all times, and I would gladly play a PDGA event on them. I guess I am just not as serious as Ken.

[NWDiscer]

:wink2:

I like the idea of a temporary course--do you have any ideas where that would be set up? That would definitely increase the field size...and it could be seriously badass. How much does it cost to "reserve" a large scale park like Gabriel Park? :drool:



Mt.Tabor..........:cheerleader::pullhair::bricks:: whistler:

:trophy:


:rockon:

[KenGilmore]

I resent the term REAL baskets as much as I resent the term "REAL golf". Horning's baskets are every bit as REAL as any old wire basket. Let's see you make one. They just don't catch REAL well. However, they are equally finicky at all times, and I would gladly play a PDGA event on them. I guess I am just not as serious as Ken.

First, when I made the original post, I knew I would get a reaction about the baskets from somebody. However, let it be shown that I never once said the baskets at Horning's aren't real:
I love playing at Hornings! Having said that, I won't play a PDGA tourney on the homemade baskets. :(

Someone else made the distinction with "real" baskets. Not I. Regardless, it seems someone has touched a nerve!

But while we are on the subject, let me just state that I am a huge fan of homemade baskets (I have on many occasions stated that the Lunchtime course would lose much of its charm if the baskets were replaced with "real" baskets!). However, not all homemade baskets are created equal. I am a fan of (almost) any baskets as long as they are consistent. IMHO, the baskets at hornings are anything but consistent.

[TreeLove]

It was Bob who used the term "REAL baskets", not Ken, sorry if I quoted the posts wrong, the stupid "no nested quotes" thing screwed me up. Also, I agree that the baskets catch inconsistently at Horning's, especially on course 1, but I think they do so with consistent inconsistency.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

It was Bob who used the term "REAL baskets", not Ken, sorry if I quoted the posts wrong, the stupid "no nested quotes" thing screwed me up. Also, I agree that the baskets catch inconsistently at Horning's, especially on course 1, but I think they do so with consistent inconsistency.

My sincere apologies for offending your more sensitive side Gawain. :kissflowers: As someone who is not a "real" disc golfer (I only pretend to be one on the internet) I chose my words inappropriately. Of course the baskets at Hornings are "real" and I myself LOVE them. As with the ones at Tom Pierce in Grants Pass and the ones at the Mud. I SHOULD have said "homemade". What IF the baskets at Hornings were "factory" made? Would that be a viable third course?


Bob

[Tim]

Hmmm, what are the opinions on playing a PDGA tournament at Lake Stevens, where the baskets actually are PDGA approved?:chinscratch:

[KenGilmore]

Hmmm, what are the opinions on playing a PDGA tournament at Lake Stevens, where the baskets actually are PDGA approved?:chinscratch:
1. I've never played at Lake Stevens
2. I do know about the baskets at Lake Stevens
3. I will never play a PDGA event at Lake Stevens
4. I will likely never play a non-PDGA event at Lake Stevens

[Tim]

Here's one of the culprits:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_pics/642/45a05158_m.jpg

For the record, I wouldn't play a PDGA event there either--no way I'd want to gamble my rating (stellar as it is) with those. I'd play an inexpensive casual tourney there though.

[TreeLove]

Remember, lack of smileys in my posts does not indicate lack of love. It's all good. Actually, smileys are a good indicator of my BAC.

I would play a PDGA at Lake Stevens or Hornings. A common misconception: "playing a course with wacky baskets would reduce my rating". Everyone would have to play the same course, same baskets, so your rating would only go down if you played poorly relative to the field, and relative to how you normally play.

[KenGilmore]

Remember, lack of smileys in my posts does not indicate lack of love. It's all good. Actually, smileys are a good indicator of my BAC.

I would play a PDGA at Lake Stevens or Hornings. A common misconception: "playing a course with wacky baskets would reduce my rating". Everyone would have to play the same course, same baskets, so your rating would only go down if you played poorly relative to the field, and relative to how you normally play.
Well, not entirely true.

People that have learned the magic technique for putting at Lake Stevens have a HUGE advantage over others who are otherwise good putters but haven't played there (or played there enough to figure the baskets out).

[Sausage Fingers]

Hmmm, what are the opinions on playing a PDGA tournament at Lake Stevens, where the baskets actually are PDGA approved?:chinscratch:

Now don't you start talkin' smack about Lake Disc Rejector! I own me a piece of that dubs record. Good thing we were playin' for dollas that time!:biggrin2:

Almost as fun as Rochambeau with Session caps!:chug:
:pirate:

[Sausage Fingers]

Kelly Point

What he said.:pirate:

[Scott]

Kelly Point

Has anyone looked into whether or not this is viable? I've only been there once or twice, but it seems like a great piece of land. Is there enough usable space that doesn't interfere with the other park uses and natural areas?

[Sausage Fingers]

Has anyone looked into whether or not this is viable? I've only been there once or twice, but it seems like a great piece of land. Is there enough usable space that doesn't interfere with the other park uses and natural areas?

We are not looking at putting in a permanent course (yet) so a reserved park use for the tourney could get away with more than a shared use permanent course could.:pirate:

[Kevin Madrid]

I have played a Kelly Point tourney wwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy llllllloooooooonnnnnnnngggggggg aaaaaggggggooooo. It was a Break Away Disc Golf tourney by Vargas. The course thinking back now would be a small pier and there would be a lot of work to get it up to par.

I wonder how many people playing now remember Break Away Disc Golf :chinscratch:

[Sausage Fingers]

I have played a Kelly Point tourney wwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy llllllloooooooonnnnnnnngggggggg aaaaaggggggooooo. It was a Break Away Disc Golf tourney by Vargas. The course thinking back now would be a small pier and there would be a lot of work to get it up to par.

I wonder how many people playing now remember Break Away Disc Golf :chinscratch:

Ding! Ding! But I missed the tourney that you are mentioning. Wally Raker did an amazing amount of work out at Milo and I got to help him a lot. Good times. Too bad the stairs/trail we built up to the tees on the west hill finally gave up the ghost. 10 years just seems too short for the amount of work involved...:pirate:

[Sam]

Vargas... winner gets a Snickers' bar! At least it was a king size from what I have heard... :laughing:

[Kevin Madrid]

Jordan,

Those were the days...you wake up...you remember there is a tourney and it is starting in an hour :shocked:...you drive out there and there is only a hand full a people 20-30 and you pay your $10-$15 to play all day. Good times!

:cool2:

[TreeLove]

Yep, made my first purchase of a golf disc from Breakaway; (DX Aviar, then Elite-X XL) I joined the club and got a discount! Though much-maligned, Breakaway Disc must be recognized for installing 18 baskets and concrete tee pads at Milo McIver. That's right, those massive helipads (which have now been moved) were installed by yours truly and BAD loyals like JLewis!

[Sam]

:bowing::bowing::bowing:

Those are my favorite pads anywhere.

[jevon]

Has anyone looked into whether or not this is viable? I've only been there once or twice, but it seems like a great piece of land. Is there enough usable space that doesn't interfere with the other park uses and natural areas?

It's been a few years, but I used to go out there 3-4 times a week with my dogs. There is plenty of room for a temp course there. The users include dog people, mushroom gatherers in the fall, boaters in the summer, and pervs in the bushes all year round. Never bothered me too much until walking down a trail to the river when a dude peaks out from behind a tree about 30 feet in front of me with his pants down and his junk in his hand. Good times.

Columbia Slough on the south, Willamette on the west, Columbia on the north, lots of woods with some open area's for long holes. A permanent course would go a long way towards cleaning up the park.

[Sausage Fingers]

Never bothered me too much until walking down a trail to the river when a dude peaks out from behind a tree about 30 feet in front of me with his pants down and his junk in his hand. Good times.

A permanent course would go a long way towards cleaning up the park.

I don't know about that. One time at Rooster East in the winter I was playing hole 3 and a guy jogged down the path with his coat unzipped. Just his coat and his running shoes...:whistler: Brisk needless to say. :shocked:

Of course he wasn't touching himself so it wasn't perverted, just surprising. It was like the Spanish Inquisition!:pirate:

[purediscgolf]

Anyone know what happened to Vargas? Did he just fall of the map? I remember playing his events back in the day. Michael Glass and I had a nice battle at Milo one time at a Vargas event. I remember I was only like 14 years old playin on the Open leader card. The good ol days for sure when you could sign up the day of an event.

[snap7times]

Anyone know what happened to Vargas? Did he just fall of the map? I remember playing his events back in the day. Michael Glass and I had a nice battle at Milo one time at a Vargas event. I remember I was only like 14 years old playin on the Open leader card. The good ol days for sure when you could sign up the day of an event.

Oh that does still happen, showing up the day of the event... in 49 states..:whistler: